Cheap dueler question

[Ilikestarcraft]

Whats a dueler that can be effective without nothing really expensive. And it does well in pubs as well as private gm dueling.
Would an auradin work?

[Camden]

No, auradins are pretty bad.

Best "Cheap" builds are hammerdins and bone necromancers

[Uncle_Mike]

No, auradins are pretty bad.

Best "Cheap" builds are hammerdins and bone necromancers

Agreed :thumbsup:

As far as auradins are concerned I am making a fire one - if he sucks it's all good - it is supposed to be a fun char :wink3:

[erians]

Auradins (as in pure auradins) needs atleast Dragon Armor, Hand of Justice, Dream helm, dream shield, dragon shield (vs light sorbers) to get decent aura damage. Thats a lot of HRs, not something I'd call cheap. Bone necros are good especially with White runword giving massive damage for only Io+Dol (I think it is) but imo w/o enigma its gonna be tough, same with hammerdins.

I made a Cheapazon that handled herself great, she didnt dominate any pub duel games but she didnt die all the time either ^^. Stats would be Str: Enought for gear (156 after +str from gear), Dex: None, Vita: Rest, Energy: none. Life would be around 3k with a bad Bo. Dont put points into Dex with a Spirit Monarch, its gonna kill your life scince the block on a plain monarch is horrible. Gear was something like:

Titans Revenge & Thunderstroke +4 with low %ED (pgs)
Self made crap Spirit Monarch (free)
Gamled rare/magic +2 ama skill ammu with resists (~1 million gold), crafted could also work
Shako with Perf Ruby (~Um for a low one), peasent crown also works
Skin of the Viper (pgs), for the resist & +1 skill, can be upped for more defence
Thundergods Vigor (pgs?)
Ravenfrost & Rare resistance ring
Gloves with +3 java sks & 9 str (~9000 gold)
Sanders Boots (ur gonna need the FRW) (free) or rare resistance boots with FRW
Inventory: Low Torch (a 10/10 = pgs), crap resistance and life charms (i used 9x30-35 life grand charms and +5-10 single element resistance small charms). I had an anni which isnt cheap, but it was selffound so it to me it wasnt expensive ^_^.

Skills are like a normal Java, Max Charged Strike and as many synergies as possible, then 1 pt into the 3 dodge skills. This is my lvl 90 cheapazons stats (after battle command and using anni): 1-6.8k + 300-1200 Charged Strikes, 300-7200 Lightning Bolts, 1-2.9k Fury, 3k-3.5k life dont remember, crap block %, 51% Evade & Dodge, 60% Avoid. Did well considering the gear, Thunderstrokes -15% resistance is insane, Ive 1-shotted loads of peaple with 10x better gear. This character also destroys anything without Immune to Lightning in PvM.

[fallen angel of satan]

id say sorcs offer the best cheap, because you dont need enigma

all other classes (except a few exceptions like bowzon) need enigma to have a level footing against other decent duelers.

as for what type of sorc your choice, blizzard is powerful but any decent enemy can easily avoid it.

orb is nice but doesnt hit too hard

fireball is like a machine gun

lighting is fun to teleport ontop of some1 and charged bolt spam them.

just choose what you find fun, then slowly collect gear for that class. youll be surprised how quickly you can get stuff you thought was out of your reach!

[ShazamLies]

sorcies can be absorbed against, and ESPECIALLY if you don't have a lot of +skillers, someone just puts on some max res and your'e finished.

I would go with hammerdin hands down, only class IMO that doesn't need good gear or skillers. Learn to desynch duel and you'll get plenty of kills.

Gear IMO would be:
Wizardspike
Trang's Gloves
2x Faster Cast Rings
Spirit in a Paladin shield with + res
Paladin amulet <-- (you need 35 fcr from ammy + spirit, so if you get 25 fcr on spirit, you will need a 10 fcr ammy)
Trek's or Waterwalks
Tgod's Belt
As for helm you can go with Shako/Circlet/Kira's/Gaze (for damage reduce)
Armor can be Arkaine's Valor/Shaftstop

Or you could go vipermagi + hoz + any amulet you want...

Even with bad charms and no anni/torch, you will be able to get some kills if you play right. You'll have nice res, fcr, try and hit the 86 fhr break point and max your block after holyshield. All in all a welfare hdin can still desynch enough hammers to clear most pubbies. (if you want to really learn from the people who live off of desynch, go play D2 classic, the hdins there, thats all they live on. i've seen tricks where they can follow another desyncher and not get hit)

[fallen angel of satan]

hammerdins are terrible pvp chars though far too easily avoided, especially without enigma.

sure someone can absorb against a sorc but that requires them swapping to special gear just to beat you

[mainaman]

Agreed :thumbsup:

As far as auradins are concerned I am making a fire one - if he sucks it's all good - it is supposed to be a fun char :wink3:if you can sqeeze decent smite dmg , then thay are not bad,its hard to have dr and fire sorb at the same time

[Rawness]

if you can sqeeze decent smite dmg , then thay are not bad,its hard to have dr and fire sorb at the same time

Since WHEN was that hard?

[mainaman]

Since WHEN was that hard?you must be really confused right now?

[Uncle_Mike]

you must be really confused right now?

I am confused - is this going off topic? :wink3:

[erians]

hammerdins are terrible pvp chars though far too easily avoided, especially without enigma.

sure someone can absorb against a sorc but that requires them swapping to special gear just to beat you

Yeah 10-12k unblockable, unresistable damage is terrible for pvp ! Hammers are not easy to avoid if ur skilled. Charge around with vigor and spamm around hammers will result in, 1: Invisable hammers (hard to dodge o.O) and 2: Desynch making it harder to hit the hammerdin. Having enigma certainly makes it alot easier to trap players in large unpredictable hammer fields but a tele ammu. Sorcs are a decent cheap option but with cheap gear ur gonna have loooow life and not very good damage.

if you can sqeeze decent smite dmg , then thay are not bad,its hard to have dr and fire sorb at the same time

Fire sorb comes from Nokozan & 2xDwarf Stars, DR comes from Belt/Armor/Shield/Helm, there are no DR Rings/ammus. Having both DR & Fire sorb is ez as pie.

[bradismyname]

i wouldnt reccomend a sorc for pub dueling with crappy gear...people can sorb u to easliy...in my cube (4 inventory spots) i carry a bo helm bo ammy 2x ravens 2x dwarf thundergods and HL ammy...ravens dwarfs and thundergods are all cheap to...too easy to sorb.

id go with a hammy

[brascoop]

definately a hammerdin, plus they're very good at PvM :)

[ShazamLies]

hammerdins are terrible pvp chars though far too easily avoided, especially without enigma.

sure someone can absorb against a sorc but that requires them swapping to special gear just to beat you

Have you seen classic duelers nowadays? There are very few good ones, but the ones that are good, know unbelievable desynching techniques; and all without enigma.

There's a trick where a desynching hammerdin can follow another desnyching h, and not get hit by his spam. Its crazy duels where the speed is so intense. I played classic for awhile and hvh vs. the top duelers I would get 5-1'd or 5-2'd if I got extra lucky.
Had to resort to necro in order to compete :undecided:

[Ilikestarcraft]

Hmm i didnt mean cheap as in no engima. I just meant rich pvp stuff like 9 skillers with life perfect torch anni and like circlets, crafted ammy and rare rings. I have an enigma i just meant a mid of rich and cheap dueler.I worded it wrong, I have a hammerdin. Hammerdins alrite but im getting tired of my hammerdin. Been playing with him straight for like 2 months.

So a bone necro is alrite too? Im gonna do pubbies more than private duels. Its gonna be my first pvp char. Just seeing some dreamers it looks fun.

[fallen angel of satan]

ye bone nec is good then :) nice fast cast rate, max block rest of points in vit, can easily max resists and stack abit and can easily obtain 125%fcr for the fastest breakpoint, and you have the felxibility of spirit/spear and teeth each give slightly different tactics that can be used.

about hammerdins I just never see them as a challenge, but then again I do always have enough run/walk to desync myself and I have fast enough reactions to change direction if they teleport infornt of me before they have chance to cast a hammer. the only worry is to make sure you work in a big circle, dont get cornered because then you have the tricky jobs of running through a hammer minefield

[Uncle_Mike]

about hammerdins I just never see them as a challenge, but then again I do always have enough run/walk to desync myself and I have fast enough reactions to change direction if they teleport infornt of me before they have chance to cast a hammer. the only worry is to make sure you work in a big circle, dont get cornered because then you have the tricky jobs of running through a hammer minefield

what char do you play?

[erians]

For pubs you want 1 thing: non-neglectable damage. Elements and even some physical attacks can be sorbed or countered with a combination of high deff/block/50% DR to minimize the damage to almost nothing, psn can be countered by Antidotes (BM but a lot pubers doesnt rly care). Necros and hammerdins both do loads of unresistable unblockable damage which makes them effective vs all players. Smite is another good unblockable attack and ignores defence as it always hits but can be resisted to 50% (it is still gonna do HUGE damage). Windy druid is another great pub dueler for the slightly richer. Equipment is fairly cheap and a low dr00d torch is super cheap but 9 skillers is pretty important if u wanna do good damage.

[tuvard]

hammerdins are terrible pvp chars though far too easily avoided, especially without enigma.

sure someone can absorb against a sorc but that requires them swapping to special gear just to beat you

Want to duel my hammerdin without using enigma ?:smiley:

[fallen angel of satan]

what char do you play?

I play bowzon that and my mf sorc are my only chars atm since iv only been back a few weeks, back when I used to play my pvp chars were

bowzon
poisenmancer
throwing barb - most underestimated pvp class out there
bonemancer
FoH pala - no fun. Either people stack resists/absorb and u cant do anything, or they dont, and they die :/



sure Tuvard look me up *Rbentley100 on Europe :) ill line up my excuses now ready though hehe :)

1.not fully pvp specced
2.got no pvp charms

and also only been back 3-4weeks so still out of practise :)

but still im more than willing to give it a go beating you :)

[Amaruak]

I was gona say this for you faos, you play bowazon iirc... bowas should not lose to hdins. Period. Maybe to a good desynching hdin but I havnt seen those. If your standing still you 'deserve' to die.

[fallen angel of satan]

yup, and its the case for all other classes, take necro for example, works on a similar principle to bowzon but can use enigma effectively.

Im not saying hammerdins are useless just they arent the easiest/cheapest pvp class around.

[ShazamLies]

I was gona say this for you faos, you play bowazon iirc... bowas should not lose to hdins. Period. Maybe to a good desynching hdin but I havnt seen those. If your standing still you 'deserve' to die.

Bowazons can defeat hdins who don't know how to handle them. But otherwise it can be a very even fight. Most hdins have a decent charge option for good damage. And good hdins should be able to desynch well enough that they'll come out from nowhere while the zon is still spamming. Not to mention the 1902401240124012421 invisible hammers floating around. Its semi-luck/skill, whether or not the zon can dodge the desynch or not...

And hdins are one of the BEST options for cheap duelers because they have unresistable damage, don't need skillers, don't need uber gear. They just need resists + fcr + max block to be efficient, and cheap gear can achieve this easily.

But if you don't like hdins I wouldn't suggest a necro either, they need +skillers/life charms to be effective (same with sorcs). Go with a dreamer, I never understood why people said auradins were so expensive to make.

Honestly an auradin is a RELATIVELY cheap character to make, it doesn't need life skillers, or expensive fcr rings/ammies, or rare weapons like foh sticks or +3 claws etc...

[TheJezus]

Whats a dueler that can be effective without nothing really expensive. And it does well in pubs as well as private gm dueling.
Would an auradin work?

You can either make a es sorc w plain skillers since life is not crucial for survival when playing es sorc. Or you can go with hammer which apparently is very cheap (with low gear) and still prominent in duels.