Can a Nec tank a barb? [Archive] - Diablo 3 & Diablo 2 Forums

ShazamLies

02-06-2007, 00:23

I was wondering if a bone nec could tank a BvC.

Assuming a bone nec with 1 pt clay golem and 1 pt decreptify and max block.

Using the following gear:
2/20/20 Circlet
Stormshield
Doom Axe
Wizard gloves
2/20 Amulet
FCR Rings
arachnids
Trek's
and the armor could be Enigma if you actually want to duel, but straight up tanking you could go with a .08 Ber'd Valor or some other junk.

This nets you the 125% fcr bp and life/skills/fhr can be made up for in charms.

Cast decrep, the holy freeze and golem will slow the barb, could you just walk/bonespam the barb? If he's slow enough he won't be able to outrun the spirits/spears and if it puts him in fhr he can't tele. So he can only WW, which with the slow, will be next to useless.
Anyone think this is viable?

Dennis_KoreanGuy

02-06-2007, 00:35

yes.

that setup can tank bvcs.

viable, you ask? Your necro may be just as feared as a BvB to a bvc. Its like, you built it specifically anti-bvc.

inanefedaykin

02-06-2007, 01:03

Decrep + clay golem + holy freeze + max block. You can tank every melee build like that but that's about as surprising as finding out tgods + 2x20% wisps makes you lightning immune.

Dennis_KoreanGuy

02-06-2007, 01:06

Decrep + clay golem + holy freeze + max block. You can tank every melee build like that but that's about as surprising as finding out tgods + 2x20% wisps makes you lightning immune.
don't forget about max dr, with his ber ss + enigma if he goes that way. :smiley:

mainaman

02-06-2007, 01:54

unfortunately if you use such set up to win against barb that means you really lack dueling skills, and will invoke ppl to bring in such things as druids/fire sorc/ and ORBERS

Rawness

02-06-2007, 02:10

unfortunately if you use such set up to win against barb that means you really lack dueling skills, and will invoke ppl to bring in such things as druids/fire sorc/ and ORBERS

Well, doesn't that indicate something of being lame in either case?
Fetching a new char, makes the other one fetch a new char.
Brings you to no end.

akumaxxyz

02-06-2007, 02:28

don't think there is any barb than beat such a nec setup.

MysticDragon

02-06-2007, 03:03

akumaxxyz

02-06-2007, 03:36

leap is near useless if necro uses 152 fhr bp+ max block, but with his setup he can just shoot spirits till barb dies

MysticDragon

02-06-2007, 03:40

leap is near useless if necro uses 152 fhr bp+ max block, but with his setup he can just shoot spirits till barb dies

I meant that Leap is going to be used a lot to get away from those things due to Decrepify, Walls and Golem.

152 fhr on a block Necro is quite hard without sacrificing life.

akumaxxyz

02-06-2007, 03:54

still barb can't do much against a nec setup like he mentiond, another anti barb setup is max block necro with, 2x ber coa,35% spirit,hoto,shadow dancer,1x fcr ring with dex,str,soj,ararch,magefist,nec safety amu with 10% block. this lets you reaches 125fcr 152 fhr easily with a few charms, it gets about 2k life i have one around sp.

Camden

02-06-2007, 08:20

2k life nec LOL

mainaman

02-06-2007, 09:01

Well, doesn't that indicate something of being lame in either case?
Fetching a new char, makes the other one fetch a new char.
Brings you to no end.point is one doesn't need that se tup tobeat barbs , only takes practice.
nec with max block /dr with ss can get 2.6k+ life with good gear thats enough to kill all but above average barbs with almost no skill required.

Necrode

02-06-2007, 09:05

ShazamLies

02-06-2007, 09:10

ofcourse you can.......just make sure you dont get hit with whirlwind while the barb is slowed because it will hit you many times..... hmm and im not sure how well that would hold up against berserk even with max block.

Spear or spirit for a fhr lock, berserk is interruptible. . .

Yeah this setup is a bit over the top to counter a BvC, but just wanted to know the option was there. (On my old bvc, bone nec's were the most annoying to duel, esp with revives/IM/max block)

mainaman

02-06-2007, 15:10

necs are one of the toughest nuts for a BvC. Max block necro even played by average player already has 50/50 chance to beat almost any BvC.
BvCs are very lag dependent and even the smallest lag will result in a mistake or two that will cost the duel to add another reason wny necs are maybe the ultimate anti barb char.

Necrode

02-06-2007, 18:24

pffft bone necs arent that tough......even with fhr lock on if a necro spams bone walla round him and has max block so i can hit him and then starts spamming spirits i can usually tele on them with my bvc and 1-3 berserks kills, i have 6.1k hp which is kinda lowish compared to most good bvcs but i still have enough hp to tank spirit or spear to kill them even if im only hitting every 3rd attempt.....

edit: then again ive only fought 1 REALLY good bone nec that i couldnt beat....the rest i fought had poor strategy in comparison

SicHalo

02-06-2007, 18:42

ive seen a setup like this or simular before me and a nec did a trial run a while back infact it was a supposed to be a first to 5 duel cuz i thought the nec was a nub (turned out he was ok ^^) Anyway he tried normal setup which i beat him easily with then he took the following setup he obviously let me know when he was changing as it became a testing duel.

During the test duels i found most fights i found where either me a clear win or i simply missed and died so, in most cases with this i was 50/50 with the nec.

He used decrypt curse + doom slow and trusty clay golem. He started to win quite a few games however, there is a technique to this on barbs side,

When ever i pulled off a successful tri whirl i usally killed him if i missed and made a mistake i usally ate a train of bs. Another way is just as u would use a drive-by tele whirl on a smiter u use the same principles here u keep a little distance then leap tele whirl driveby and get out quick before hf kicks in.

if it is really bm, i.e walls etc ur seriously screwed vs this setup.

The nec i dueled also was not the strongest nec i have seen cuz ordinary setup i beat him consistantly. Im sure if it was a high skilled nec those number would change even more

@ Necrode i know for a fact that i use telezerk pretty well vs bm necs, i.e walls + im however with this kinda setup this simply will not work as there is enough slow involved to make a bowazon crawl

LtSinborn

02-06-2007, 19:38

two letters, BM

Ce Olba

02-06-2007, 20:13

Your setup is indeed good, but it's impossible to use without Wizgloves. Means you are stuck at 75% FCR breakpoint without Wizgloves.

Not to mention the fact that the necro cannot exactly stand there and be immortal. You see, your golem is dead in 1-2 hits of Grief with its 6732 life. Now, you are down to your Bone Armor, which is another 1-2 hits. So, you are down to only your life in 2-4 hits, meaning at best 0.32 - 0.64 seconds. And that's not counting the possible Beast hits either. Of course, that is only in theory.

So, it's not exactly immortal, just that it can tank a few hits with no damage and even when it takes damage, it's quite minimal at ~500-600 per Grief hit.

Oh, and by the way, there is simply no way to get max block, 50% PDR and 152% FHR at the same time while retaining any kind of life. You would at best, with the gear mentioned, have 60% FHR. Now, that means 92% FHR from charms, or 7 12% FHR GCs and 2 SCs. Oh, and with a mere 35 life per GC, that is a loss of 484.5 life after bo.

Not to mention you will never have 125% FCR, max block and Doom. That's just not going to happen without Wizgloves.

That makes me wonder, is saying "That is a good anti-BvC" setup the same as indirectly advocating the usage of Wizgloves?

Moritz

02-06-2007, 20:17

I thought slow didnt work on WW speed. So it's useless, isn't it?

Or well, it could lag the barb and create wwbugs. Together with wallspam it would be effective, but then it wouldn't be pure tanking.

Am I missing something?

SicHalo

02-06-2007, 20:55

slow affects ww moving speed which = running speed so this keeps u in the range of the necro longer, althouh as stated if u tele ontop of the necro and whirl while hf+decrypt+golem slow is active u ripp the necro apart pretty bad as u get more hitchecks etc. If u miss the necro the slow means u will not be able to out run a bs and u hit a train load of bs...

Ce Olba

02-06-2007, 21:05

Kiba

02-06-2007, 21:14

I Could sometimes kill good Bvc's with my necro with out even moving just ask Mysticdragon ;).

I used

Circlet +2nec , 20 fcr , 24 str , 14 dex , 81 mana
Raven ammy +2 nec , 5%fcr , 18str, 16dex, 8 mana regen , 37 cold res
hoto , Stormshield, 2 x 20 fcr rings arach belt , trang glove

Hit exactly 125% fcr with hoto and ber stormshield

2.5k life , 50% dr 86 fhr and max block of course is loads of fun vs melee.

akumaxxyz

02-06-2007, 22:13

with my setup you dont need wiz gloves, you get 152fhr 125fcr 75% block with spirit, all you can do is predict tele patterns and very quick name locks for this kind of nec.

you will die easilyevne if nec plays a little defensive, like teleing 2 screens always to brake name locks and continue his spam

jake007

02-06-2007, 22:16

Any well-built 125/86 max block boner can out-tank a tri-whirling bvc.

Ce Olba

02-06-2007, 22:23

with my setup you dont need wiz gloves, you get 152fhr 125fcr 75% block with spirit, all you can do is predict tele patterns and very quick name locks for this kind of nec.

Excuse me miss, but do you have any kind of idea what the number of dexterity required for max block on a normal Spirit is? We are talking about 337 dexterity. So, go ahead, you can do that, but you are then up with ~1000 life.

75% block with a normal Spirit just is not feasible and the only two with higher base block than that of a Monarch happen to be Aegis and Ward, but that 4% won't help you much, you would still need 322 dex for max block, not to mention the STR requirement of either 185 or 219.

So, if you can show me how it's done, go ahead.

akumaxxyz

02-06-2007, 22:44

Excuse me miss, but do you have any kind of idea what the number of dexterity required for max block on a normal Spirit is? We are talking about 337 dexterity. So, go ahead, you can do that, but you are then up with ~1000 life.

75% block with a normal Spirit just is not feasible and the only two with higher base block than that of a Monarch happen to be Aegis and Ward, but that 4% won't help you much, you would still need 322 dex for max block, not to mention the STR requirement of either 185 or 219.

So, if you can show me how it's done, go ahead.

no one wants to argue with your theory craft, i have this copy of nec exactly on sp with a 10% increase max block amu i will get it when i got time for d2.

i assume you dot even play the game anymore? stop making your theory craft bull then and this kind of nec reaches 2klife

Uncle_Mike

02-06-2007, 22:48

Keep this civil please (general remark, not aimed at anyone in particular) :thumbsup:

inanefedaykin

02-06-2007, 22:53

Akumaxxyz, ce olba was simply pointing out that max block with spirit is completely counter productive. Tell me, is this necro of yours on single player using 9x45 life pnb gcs and other such perfect equipment?

Ce Olba

02-06-2007, 22:53

no one wants to argue with your theory craft, i have this copy of nec exactly on sp with a 10% increase max block amu i will get it when i got time for d2.

Even so, you would still need 275 dex for 75% block on a monarch or 265 for aegis/ward.

i assume you dot even play the game anymore? stop making your theory craft bull then and this kind of nec reaches 2klife

Even if I do not play the game, that does not change the mathematical facts. You see, you can pull off the dex needed for max block from the formula, it's quite simple actually.

TBlocking=[(Blocking*(Dexterity-15))/(CLevel*2)]
TBlocking*(CLevel*2) = (Blocking Dexterity-15)
[(TBlocking*(CLevel*2))/Blocking]=Dexterity-15
Dexterity = [(TBlocking*(CLevel*2)/Blocking]+15

Since TBlocking = 75 and CLevel = 90 and Blocking = 52, you get:

Dexterity=[(75*90*2)/52]+15
Dexterity=[13500/52]+15
Dexterity=239.615385+15
Dexterity=~275

Quite simple, right? And that requires no experience with the game whatsoever, simple maths. Take a formula, play around with it and enter some pre-destinied values. Heck, if you take away the playing around with the formula, all it needs is a 10-year-old to do it. And that 10-year-old does not need to know anything about the existence of Diablo II, Blizzard or even PCs or games. So, what in my words makes it so invalid? Please do explain it logically. If you fail, you've just embarassed yourself.

Oh, and by the way, with just about perfect items, you would still need to put around 121 points to dexterity. I don't see that happening. Oh, and by "just about perfect", I mean 40 stats from charms, 40 from rings, 40 from amulet and helm with 19 from weapon.

akumaxxyz

02-06-2007, 22:59

i loled at you

Uncle_Mike

02-06-2007, 23:05

i loled at you

Not a response of the year...

Anyway, let's keep arguments ad rem and not ad personam ^J^

Don't make me "lol" at both of you please :wink3:

@akumaxxyz - how about you post your full setup?

Camden

02-06-2007, 23:21

no one wants to argue with your theory craft, i have this copy of nec exactly on sp with a 10% increase max block amu i will get it when i got time for d2.

i assume you dot even play the game anymore? stop making your theory craft bull then and this kind of nec reaches 2klife

....leave... this... forum...

Olga might be a vaginahead but he at least has SOME idea wtf he's talking about, unlike yourself lately.

Kiba

02-06-2007, 23:28

MysticDragon

03-06-2007, 01:07

Stormshield is THE shield to use. 2k life isn't that great even with block. Still need a bit more than that.

This Necro is the most fun charater to duel against when using a BvC. It makes every whirl count.

SicHalo

03-06-2007, 01:18

Honestly i think i think a max block necro only needs a stormshield or a homonculus , Wonder why ive never seen any max block necro with a spirit. ~ Prob because it does not perform good.

Even if you do use a spirit wih max block and hit 2k life you will be torn to shreds with out the damage reduction from a stormshield.

this is correct u will be lacking dr anyway so 2k will make almost no difference...

Also this Olbas calcs are correct im not the greatest maths man but a setup like this needs near perfect or perfect gear to pull off 2k life as seen monarch is the only realistic shield to use cuz of low requirements etc, compared to the other shields, aegis/ward. Even with a crafted safety amu its still not feasible.

The only chars i know that can pull off block like this easily on a spirit are palas due to holyshield and high block pala shield..

It would be nice to post the setup u came up with cuz i am interested to find out what was used.

aiwa

03-06-2007, 01:29

the barb will tele and ww on the necro..the end.:wink2:

akumaxxyz

03-06-2007, 02:31

read my earlier post, this necro got 31dr from coa 8% drom engima i think that is plenty. its got 75% block 152fhr 125% fcr 2k+life 1k+mana. so what can a bvc do to this kind of nec? predict his tele patern or some insane quick name lock wws which wont even work if nec plays defensive.
and pvp is not meant for poor people?

ShazamLies

03-06-2007, 02:32

the barb will tele and ww on the necro..the end.:wink2:

I love my barb, I have made at least 8+ barbs throughout my D2 character, with at least 4 of them being BvA/BvC's. In all honesty, I just like to know where my limits are. Like with my fire sorc, hotspurs + rising sun negates me, or with my orber 2x ravens + stack shield and some extra res negates me. Etc etc you get the point?

For a BvC I think that this setup on even the nubbiest nec would make the nec win 9/10 duels if someone just tells him the strategy to use. Set yourself to walk speed and walk like half a step away from him when he ww's, even the shortest tri whirl will be slower because of all the slow. Then spam spear/spirit and after the whirl he can't tele or run (fhr lock/slow). Then all he can do is WW after you and then you should be able to run/walk away, the key is staying relatively close to him so that whenever he finishes his ww, there will be a spear/spirit waiting for him so he can't tele. Recasting bonearmor makes this even more pointless as it will be extremely hard to break the bonearmor in the first place.

And I know maxblock with Spirit is kind of a waste, but I can see that setup being possible. Use the dual spirits + arachs + trangs +15 fcr amulet to get 125 fcr bp. Ber Ber that CoA and prefade for max DR. Shadow dancers for the dex and fhr. CoA/shadowdancers/dual spirits will get you either over or close to the 15X fhr bp.

What is the max life on rare rings? Well for now I'm gonna assume zero because I don't know it. 9x 5 lifers + 11x 20 lifers +196 life from leveling to 99 + 60 from quests = 881 life not counting any vita.
Lets see if he prebuffs his BO, he can get a max of up to lvl 22 BO.
Lvl 22 bo should be +98% Life. Aka he will need a little less than 1000 life pre-bo to hit 2K (not counting life from torch/anni/44 vit from 2spirit).
So he needs under 119 life from points into vita.... which I think he can achieve...
Actually with this setup he could also just use a +3 Bone/100 life amu if he uses fcr rings... O_o

mainaman

03-06-2007, 05:30

Camden

03-06-2007, 05:51

ever heard of 63 fcr set up on bvc?
i can tell you that 152 fhr necs are not hard to catch since the barb teles at same frame....

Catching a nec with a straight lock (not leaping) takes immense reflexes that not many can pull off, and trying a delayed namelock with zerk or unsummon will usually end up with the barb getting sodomized. Takes a bit of luck too =\. Though yes 63 does help a barb.

mainaman

03-06-2007, 06:11

Catching a nec with a straight lock (not leaping) takes immense reflexes that not many can pull off, and trying a delayed namelock with zerk or unsummon will usually end up with the barb getting sodomized. Takes a bit of luck too =\. Though yes 63 does help a barb.i didn't mean no leap , hehe, but faster tele makes difference..

Ce Olba

03-06-2007, 06:15

i didn't mean no leap , hehe, but faster tele makes difference..

Indeed, you would tele just as fast as the nec, so the farthest he could be of you, in the mathematical optimal case for the necro, would be a single teleport, as in still the same screen, just at the edge.

In the worst case, the necro is just about to tele and they end up ending at the same spot at the same time, pretty much whooping then necro all over the floor.

mainaman

03-06-2007, 06:25

Indeed, you would tele just as fast as the nec, so the farthest he could be of you, in the mathematical optimal case for the necro, would be a single teleport, as in still the same screen, just at the edge.

In the worst case, the necro is just about to tele and they end up ending at the same spot at the same time, pretty much whooping then necro all over the floor.thats true , I dueled one of the top necs on east, granted he was non block but with ~4k life (D2pk), and with 63 fcr i had pretty good % wins

Camden

03-06-2007, 07:03

Yes but with 152 fhr leap is useless, at least according to mattias; I've never seen the need to reach that frame on my own nec =\.

What nec are you speaking of btw stef?

mainaman

03-06-2007, 08:55

Yes but with 152 fhr leap is useless, at least according to mattias; I've never seen the need to reach that frame on my own nec =\.

What nec are you speaking of btw stef?even with 152 fhr you get them in fhr animation long enough to approach them atleast.
the nec is FriggenDisciple , Adrian was on him, I can say only that he was gfg
not much bs trains, hed plase them bs such that thay are comming at you from like 2-3 directions pretty tricky duels. Had to use 63 fcr and nonstop tele( no runing) to get through, ofc the lag then was really small for me :grin:

akumaxxyz

03-06-2007, 09:05

ever heard of 63 fcr set up on bvc?
i can tell you that 152 fhr necs are not hard to catch since the barb teles at same frame....

dont think i dont know what im saying ok, i have duel my friend's vita nec with 152 fhr endlessly with a bvc, all you can do is rely on ows if you can even hit the nec, so what if you both tele and the same speed? the problem is nec have spamable spells and you dont, plus he got 75% block +bone armor dr to tank your attacks. decrip+ clay golem makes berzerk useless, 152fhr makes leap useless, all you can do is predict tele ww nl wont even work if nec plays defensive

mainaman

03-06-2007, 09:28

dont think i dont know what im saying ok, i have duel my friend's vita nec with 152 fhr endlessly with a bvc, all you can do is rely on ows if you can even hit the nec, so what if you both tele and the same speed? the problem is nec have spamable spells and you dont, plus he got 75% block +bone armor dr to tank your attacks. decrip+ clay golem makes berzerk useless, 152fhr makes leap useless, all you can do is predict tele ww nl wont even work if nec plays defensivecoa/spirit necros own, im making one as we speak.

SicHalo

03-06-2007, 13:23

Yes but with 152 fhr leap is useless, at least according to mattias; I've never seen the need to reach that frame on my own nec =\.

What nec are you speaking of btw stef?

ive seen sorcs dec out like this as well with high fhr and yes leap is ALMOST useless at this bp AS u still can grab a quick unsummon namelock although u can not tele whirl the nec like this. But a fight like this come down to good namelocking, sometimes using unsummon u will have to tank 1-2 spirits to get that namelock.

but like said its a rare nec setup

@ Akumaxxyz

people are not doubting weither the setup can not be done but rather how viable it is. Looking at ur setup its going to require alot more dex and slightly more str than a typical nec with a stormshield setup.

It no good using a setup which possibly requires high-end to perf gear as to reach this 2k mark of hp i assume u need good lifers and good gear giving as much stat as possible and even prolly high lvls. And even then you stil don't reach the max dr point easily at best 31% dr assuming a perf dr CoA.

Every char as a standard gear setup or layout that everyone commonly uses for optimal efficency and performance, wheither u have crap gear to perf. This build u layout is highly gear dependent as still will never be as efficent as the stormshield setup which grants max dr, higher life etc.

Ive always gone by "If the build does not exist chances are it does not work at all or effective enough."

Moritz

03-06-2007, 14:29

Yes but with 152 fhr leap is useless, at least according to mattias; I've never seen the need to reach that frame on my own nec =\.

What nec are you speaking of btw stef?

This might be a bit OT, but from what I know, Leap causes Knockback which is not equal to a simple FHR-animation.

Could anyone clarify this issue and is anyone able to enlighten me about the relationship of FHR and KB, because the KB-animation definitly lasts longer than a 'common' FHR stun.

Thanks.

SicHalo

03-06-2007, 14:38

This might be a bit OT, but from what I know, Leap causes Knockback which is not equal to a simple FHR-animation.

Could anyone clarify this issue and is anyone able to enlighten me about the relationship of FHR and KB, because the KB-animation definitly lasts longer than a 'common' FHR stun.

Thanks.

well leap puts u into double fhr mode iirc so so u get the intial fhr + that little bit u see from the kb

Moritz

03-06-2007, 14:40

well leap puts u into double fhr mode iirc so so u get the intial fhr + that little bit u see from the kb

So, is it exactly double FHR, or something different?

I asked on several strategy forums before and no one could really tell me.

ShazamLies

03-06-2007, 14:50

So, is it exactly double FHR, or something different?

I asked on several strategy forums before and no one could really tell me.

Yea I'd like to know the answer to that too. I've been hearing that its double fhr, but if that really is the case than a barb with decent fcr should always hit with ww after leap + tele...

@sichalo

NOOOOOOO, your whole belief on builds destroys individual thinking. Come on, there had to have been a "first" 1.11 hammerdin or some such thing. Everyone thought some builds weren't feasible at one point or another such as WW/sins or BvC's that are now very dominant in the PvP scene.

I'm gonna go make a BASH barbarian just to prove you wrong` :flip:

SicHalo

03-06-2007, 16:26

Yea I'd like to know the answer to that too. I've been hearing that its double fhr, but if that really is the case than a barb with decent fcr should always hit with ww after leap + tele...

@sichalo

NOOOOOOO, your whole belief on builds destroys individual thinking. Come on, there had to have been a "first" 1.11 hammerdin or some such thing. Everyone thought some builds weren't feasible at one point or another such as WW/sins or BvC's that are now very dominant in the PvP scene.

I'm gonna go make a BASH barbarian just to prove you wrong` :flip:

not really as the the seasons changed builds have adapted this is true i.e spirit factored in for hammerdins etc etc however the base layout of the builds have remained the same.

Here is an example u trying to tell me an a smiter not using grief is going to be as affective as a smite using a silence or even asterons?

obviously back in time certain builds simply did not work without tele etc bvc did not exist at a time when buriza zons where ripping and dominating however with every patch all chars have a certain setup allowing them to utilise maximum potential depending on gear, wheither it is grief + Exile or zaka for a smiter or even coa + grief/botd+beast and enigma etc for bvc i mean like i was saying this this the common gear used arguably u can slap on other items in place of these but weither or not u will be as affective as the standard or "default" layout is something different.

The same point vs Akumaxxyz build on necs it may not be feasible now but who knows when a patch changes it might work with gear added.

mainaman

03-06-2007, 17:54

So, is it exactly double FHR, or something different?

I asked on several strategy forums before and no one could really tell me.
yes it is double fhr, thats why a high fcr bvc can catch even 152 fhr nec, contrary to some ppls false believes here....

Moritz

03-06-2007, 18:57

yes it is double fhr, thats why a high fcr bvc can catch even 152 fhr nec, contrary to some ppls false believes here....

Ok, do you have any reliable source for this? It would be nice to know for sure that Leap initiates a double length FHR animation.

Up to now I only knew that KB is something different than normal FHR-stun and that it takes longer, but not how much exactly.

Thanks so far.

Uncle_Mike

03-06-2007, 19:00

Ok, do you have any reliable source for this? It would be nice to know for sure that Leap initiates a double length FHR animation.

Up to now I only knew that KB is something different than normal FHR-stun and that it takes longer, but not how much exactly.

Thanks so far.

Perhaps one of you should try in the statistics forum? If it is in the mpq files I am sure that RTB/Orphan can dig it up and verify.

:wave:

akumaxxyz

03-06-2007, 23:06

you will not catch a defensive playing 152 nec that easily, you will be teleing none stop and just hope your lucky to even lay some hits. go duel some like this befor you think you can even beat such a nec on a bvc. you will always be playing the cat and mouse game and eating spirits as you go along

to anyone who thinks this gear is not possible, well it is very possible to achive, many people got 40+ lifers legit, and if you cannot afford expensive gear then pvp is not for you.

Camden

04-06-2007, 00:14

mainaman

04-06-2007, 00:25

God shut up about gear, it's not really a valid point to begin with and not everyone is a ladder mfer like yourself.

The fact you think that playing defensive with a 125/152/mb nec is the best way to beat a barb says enough about you.guess he has 2k mana or somethig, that would explain why he is so fond of defensive skill-less spam...

akumaxxyz

04-06-2007, 00:48

God shut up about gear, it's not really a valid point to begin with and not everyone is a ladder mfer like yourself.

The fact you think that playing defensive with a 125/152/mb nec is the best way to beat a barb says enough about you.

erage more? i never said i play a nec like this, i said when a nec playing like this a bvc will not beat it.
so you want every caster to spam right infront of your face when your a heavy dmg dealing melee character? this kind of nec can play that too, decripify,golem,im walls,if nec uses this bvc got no chance, but your probably going to whine about people needing them to win too?

get over those stuff like you need this to win or that to win crap. if you think like that people can just say bvc needs enigma to win, no engima= dead barb good? thats also a fact whinning about skills or how people play is the most retarded thing you can do. the fact you do is because you want people to play in your favor so you can win more easy

akumaxxyz

04-06-2007, 00:49

oh and i dont mf, i trade on sites which shouldnt be mentioned here, erage and assume more.

akumaxxyz

04-06-2007, 00:50

guess he has 2k mana or somethig, that would explain why he is so fond of defensive skill-less spam...

um yeah beating casters when your good at a bvc who have 6-7k life is very skilled :scratch:

jesterlolz

04-06-2007, 01:00

oh and i dont mf, i trade on sites which shouldnt be mentioned here, erage and assume more.

Wait, I'm confuzzled here, are you saying that you ebay, because if you don't mf, it would be quite difficult to get decent items.

ShazamLies

04-06-2007, 03:33

Wait, I'm confuzzled here, are you saying that you ebay, because if you don't mf, it would be quite difficult to get decent items.

talkin about other forums I suppose. But trades are definitely the best wealth maker, and maybe rolling/crafting too. :jig:

Anyhizzle, what is this D2 PK realm ppl are speaking of? Is it something new bnet made? I don't see it in my realms list :cry: but I wanna see the duels there :scratch:

mainaman

04-06-2007, 03:42

talkin about other forums I suppose. But trades are definitely the best wealth maker, and maybe rolling/crafting too. :jig:

Anyhizzle, what is this D2 PK realm ppl are speaking of? Is it something new bnet made? I don't see it in my realms list :cry: but I wanna see the duels there :scratch:
d2pk is a private server which currently runs 1.10 patch , really soon to be upgraded to 1.11,
you can mf/roll all your gear (the realm is pvp oriented so it takes really several days to fully gear pretty decent char on it). You can roll skillers, all uniques drop by the dosens in cows, in a matter of a grush you turn lvl 99.
It also happens to be the place where all the top east duelers live right now, since east has turned to a place where all the hax using noobs think they are good at dueling...