BvB Build?

[Pugz]

What would be a good BvB build specced to use bhammers.

20 WW
20 Mace mastery
20 BO
20 Shout?
rest in iron skin?

Its been quite a while since i did a bvb build.

Stats

Is full Vit possible using rings and amus with strength / dex to give you requirements possible? or is that only with godly gear? I'm pretty poor atm as i've only recently restarted the game.

Also what sort of gear would be good. Lots of open wound and crushing blow gear?

I have quite a few items with those stats, swordback shield, boneflesh armour, goblin toe. Just a few i could think of.

A full gear list would be really helpful.

[Fists of War]

Click on the stickies thread at the top of this forum. "The BvB thread" should be in there. It's full of good info, and has a few build guides for what you're suggesting.

Your skills sound good, you stats are ok, either go max str on a defence BvB, or max vit if you don't have defence gear.

[Zodijackyl]

Click on the stickies thread at the top of this forum. "The BvB thread" should be in there. It's full of good info, and has a few build guides for what you're suggesting.

Your skills sound good, you stats are ok, either go max str on a defence BvB, or max vit if you don't have defence gear.

Max strength on a defense BvB is a terrible idea. Non defense BvB is pretty much pointless, it's all in your weapon and leveling pretty much if you go with the standard boring gear. For a good defense barb you'll need to have some good resources to draw from. Those skills look good, but you'll need to level it well (my ladder BvB is 91 Lord, from before the A5 ****, all CS runs). I'm not going to give away my build, but massive strength is highly overrated, though strength from gear is not.

[weep]

i have to agree with zodi and maxing anything on any char build usually is the most lazy not the most effective distribution. From a lot of experience on bvb the top players on uswest at least from the time i started a ways back were a combination of high def/life str/life etc. and high clvl. The only exceptions were very skilled, the pure str barb is very hard to handle if you don't want to drop your ears. My best advice is to conserve your points, duel against the best opponents you can find and then make adjustments.

[DaRKNeSsS]

No. What u want to do is get a +20 str belt with fhr and Cold Damage twitch and a -req bh 3 soc p ame'd great helm or mask and a soc twitch if your not afraid to get banned or converted and you wont because my friends tested out everything that people were saying that would get you converted or banned and none of it got them converted or banned and if u get that stuff you would have urself a pure vitality BvB pretty unstoppable if you ask me.:cool:

[Akukami]

The last person who used the gear you suggested was a trash talking 89 Twitch-SBack BH BvB who got run over by my BvA in high Def BvB gear. Additionally, on ESCCL where I play, I've seen a significant shift from Twitch-SBack to high Def BvBs. I've even made myself a Level 30 Defense BvB to duel Level 45-50 Twitch-SBackers, and all of them have a big problem trying to break my 4.7k Defense. Some have tried to hit-and-run, but none of them have ever lasted long enough to finish the duel before WWing back into town. :grin:

- Akukami

[Zodijackyl]

No. What u want to do is get a +20 str belt with fhr and Cold Damage twitch and a -req bh 3 soc p ame'd great helm or mask and a soc twitch if your not afraid to get banned or converted and you wont because my friends tested out everything that people were saying that would get you converted or banned and none of it got them converted or banned and if u get that stuff you would have urself a pure vitality BvB pretty unstoppable if you ask me.:cool:

Take this "unstoppable" build and show it to me. I'll stop it easily. That's a trash newbie BvB setup that loses to any well built barb.

[weep]

No. What u want to do is get a +20 str belt with fhr and Cold Damage twitch and a -req bh 3 soc p ame'd great helm or mask and a soc twitch if your not afraid to get banned or converted and you wont because my friends tested out everything that people were saying that would get you converted or banned and none of it got them converted or banned and if u get that stuff you would have urself a pure vitality BvB pretty unstoppable if you ask me.:cool:

gotta stop you right there, i've personally never lost to a bhammer bvb especially if you want to use cold damage, that's suicide vs 3 range exec. I'd just put on all my nice min dmg gear, probably like 1k less life than you, with 12k+ more defence, and 400+ max damage assuming you have a nice bh, i've dueled vs 192 bh, 186 + 2 bh etc.

[Zodijackyl]

gotta stop you right there, i've personally never lost to a bhammer bvb especially if you want to use cold damage, that's suicide vs 3 range exec. I'd just put on all my nice min dmg gear, probably like 1k less life than you, with 12k+ more defence, and 400+ max damage assuming you have a nice bh, i've dueled vs 192 bh, 186 + 2 bh etc.

Try me on east ladder, I'm not even using my good bhammer anymore and I'll destroy your exec barb. Range is overrated. 12000 more defense? Yes I will most certainly lose to any BvB with 25000 defense. See how well your min gear and exec barb hold up against me.

[StaMpu]

Try me on east ladder, I'm not even using my good bhammer anymore and I'll destroy your exec barb. Range is overrated. 12000 more defense? Yes I will most certainly lose to any BvB with 25000 defense. See how well your min gear and exec barb hold up against me.

Observer? :D

[fledgeling]

I find something incredibly funny when I compare the things written here with this thread:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=565537

I've even made myself a Level 30 Defense BvB to duel Level 45-50 Twitch-SBackers, and all of them have a big problem trying to break my 4.7k Defense. Some have tried to hit-and-run, but none of them have ever lasted long enough to finish the duel before WWing back into town.

[Zodijackyl]

I find something incredibly funny when I compare the things written here with this thread:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=565537

You find it funny that I had two LLD BvBs? I actually have had two level 30 BvBs, the first one being 1.10a back when I played along with Ts for fun (The leader of TS being someone I know r/l). The level 35 was BROTHER_STEVEII when all of our duelers were level 35, and we didn't just aim to duel other low levels. The second level 30 was made after THE BROTHERHOOD had finished with our fun, and I went back to compete in Norm/LLD, where LLD games are always full of newbies who will get their "high level" who will happen to be something like a 45-50 twitch/sback build. There were a lot of posts back in the days of THE BROTHERHOOD about us, we were originally level 31, then all of us went to 35 when we found ourselves dueling more high levels than low levels.

I don't see anything funny, I just see another forum stalker with no life.

[fledgeling]

you seem not to understand
Im not writing about LLD barbs, who are in fact pretty cool characters

I find it funny, that you claim to have killed everyone with a level 30 swordback+twitch barb
While the other guy claims to have killed everyone with his defense barb and that swordback/twich barbs couldnt touch him

you two should duel or something

it's like the standing elephant vs the running rhino :)

[Zodijackyl]

you seem not to understand
Im not writing about LLD barbs, who are in fact pretty cool characters

I find it funny, that you claim to have killed everyone with a level 30 swordback+twitch barb
While the other guy claims to have killed everyone with his defense barb and that swordback/twich barbs couldnt touch him

you two should duel or something

it's like the standing elephant vs the running rhino :)

Sorry for not being clear, my level 30 barb was dueling against barbs using twitch+sback. I have beaten every challenger with a level 88 or 91 defense BvB, and I love those chars. I challenged him to a duel with my ladder 91 barb (88 is gone on NL), even though I no longer have my good BH. Twitch/Swordback are usable, but very lame, and a skilled def BvB can take them down, though execs have much lower damage and one hit on them can still result in OW.

[Fists of War]

it seems to be bh's versus exes here...but what about nagas? Same range as exes, but how much less damage do they do? Plus they have lower stat req's.

[Zodijackyl]

it seems to be bh's versus exes here...but what about nagas? Same range as exes, but how much less damage do they do? Plus they have lower stat req's.

Nagas are actually much better than execs. Some people seem to think that execs are better because of the AR from the 110dex req, but that doesn't mean you can't have 110dex with a naga. Not that I would add it, but my NL BvB had base dex and something like 119 with gear, no eme sockets or rare boots either. The only reason execs are favored for BvB is because on NL there happen to be some very nicely modded ones (+2 132dmg) for 1H, but a +2 150 damage naga would be amazing. Sadly pretty much all the nagas out there suck, and I see a lot of ladder BvBs who hate high +max on execs and use 11x damage ones, even though 20max is great because 20max = 50ed for 1H exec dmg.

[Turtleism]

Im about to rebuild my def barb, right now he is using a naga, he's lvl31, and he has 7.7k def. But now that ive picked up a nice exe im gunna rebuild him and take him to lvl42 for some 12k def fun :)

I see the exe as more suited to him as the extra dext allows for some much needed ar and more def (it may seem small at the beginning but it all adds up). Besides, ive never had a exe barb and now is my chance haha.

[Zodijackyl]

Im about to rebuild my def barb, right now he is using a naga, he's lvl31, and he has 7.7k def. But now that ive picked up a nice exe im gunna rebuild him and take him to lvl42 for some 12k def fun :)

I see the exe as more suited to him as the extra dext allows for some much needed ar and more def (it may seem small at the beginning but it all adds up). Besides, ive never had a exe barb and now is my chance haha.

Each point of dex adds about 2 defense, one point of vitality adds 4 life (9-10 with BO) which is much better.

[weep]

zodi you think you are top sh*t or something? First of all, the post was obviously not directed at you, second i play on west and third there are so few decent players remaining on the game i could easily believe you are a top barb on your realm. Try being one of the best when there are multiple bvb games up every night.. actually beating people who have played for years specializing in bvb who also happen to be in the 90's and extremely rich. You may be a big fish in a tiny puddle, you don't know who you are talking to... i can't remember ever being "destroyed" and against a bh barb... :laugh:

[DaRKNeSsS]

lol weep when i built my bvb the way i said it.....it worked 4 me i just avoided def BvBs bcuz def BvBs own all barbs well most of them and i had a high 150 bhammer with cold dmg and psn dmg....i hardly ever lost 2 a barb only 2 BvAs that i knew of could kill me in all of west ladder all the rest of the barbs barely got past 3.5k mark of my life wich was less than half and whats ur acc name on west? id like 2 duel u sometime 4 fun:rolleyes: but imma be gone 4 bout 2-3 weeks my acc is DaRK_NeSsS and all i was trying 2 do was help the guy out.

[DaRKNeSsS]

oh and zodi i just thought up of the build and i wasnt sure if it worked myself my real BvB used a 3 p rubied helm a twitch-SBack a +19 str Cold Dmg belt gtoes and bfist and angelics and a 150 Cold Dmg bhammer i hardly lost and like i said i just thought up of the pure vit and wasnt sure if it was good or not and i thought a pure vit bvb would be pretty ''unstoppable'' if u think bout it not the gear i said but the pure vit part

[DaRKNeSsS]

Try me on east ladder, I'm not even using my good bhammer anymore and I'll destroy your exec barb. Range is overrated. 12000 more defense? Yes I will most certainly lose to any BvB with 25000 defense. See how well your min gear and exec barb hold up against me. LMFAO im going with what weep said u think ur tough **** huh zodi? and i put 3 msges up all at the same time 4 a few ppl 2 correct them. anyways weep sounds like a cool guy and if u went 2 west we'd probly sit u in a second >:) "25,000 defense"
ROFL i dont believe that much def 4 a second unless ur lod. come 2 west plz rofl my acc is DaRK_NeSsS good luck slaying me :evil:

[WarlockCC]

LMFAO im going with what weep said u think ur tough **** huh zodi? and i put 3 msges up all at the same time 4 a few ppl 2 correct them. anyways weep sounds like a cool guy and if u went 2 west we'd probly sit u in a second >:) "25,000 defense"
ROFL i dont believe that much def 4 a second unless ur lod. come 2 west plz rofl my acc is DaRK_NeSsS good luck slaying me :evil:

Registered this month, 7 posts so far, 4 of which are double posts which could easily have been edited into the previous ones, talking big to a long time poster who has in the way of knowledge(the only way here on the forum) proved himself...
What exactly are you fishing for here ?

Feel free to PM a member asking him/her if he/she could help you build up a char on 'their' realm so you can have some friendly duels, but don't get into a public mud-slinging contest. Because that makes you look about as smart as the people who repeat themselves in games. dozens of lines of "pp" or something of sorts. The 'enter, up, enter' crowd.

[DaRKNeSsS]

he might be a long time poster on this site but what does that have 2 do with dueling i know alot of BvB builds i just thought a pure vit would be helpful i dont like def BvBs bcuz nates take 2 much str even with -req i still dont like em with a BvB i like 2 go with as much vit as possible if u get what im saying....i was actualy thinking of building a def BvB 2 c how well it would work but i dont think i would be satified with the high str req personaly...:undecided: and i dont spam im actualy a very good player its just im best with nec and din builds better than i am of BvB builds *sigh* lol im just very cocky........

[Monzee]

he might be a long time poster on this site but what does that have 2 do with dueling i know alot of BvB builds i just thought a pure vit would be helpful i dont like def BvBs bcuz nates take 2 much str even with -req i still dont like em with a BvB i like 2 go with as much vit as possible if u get what im saying....i was actualy thinking of building a def BvB 2 c how well it would work but i dont think i would be satified with the high str req personaly...:undecided: and i dont spam im actualy a very good player its just im best with nec and din builds better than i am of BvB builds *sigh* lol im just very cocky........

I'm sure Zodijackyl is well aware of how a vita bvb works out as I know he has done extremely much testing in order to master his bvb. So I believe he is talking from experience. And on the other hand I see that you have try a def bvb.

Instead of going into a discussion about who is the better dueler why don't you simply hit the person up with a pm? Not just Zodi but any other forum member for that matter and maybe they will be up for the challange.

[DaRKNeSsS]

i only play west and a lil of east but i dont even try on east bcuz none of my friends play east lol and its harder 2 get on the ladder of east as well and 2 many higher lvls on east and i dont like easties that much bcuz they're hella more cocky than i am and they all think they're #1 and i know im not the best and i know im the worst.

[Zodijackyl]

oh and zodi i just thought up of the build and i wasnt sure if it worked myself my real BvB used a 3 p rubied helm a twitch-SBack a +19 str Cold Dmg belt gtoes and bfist and angelics and a 150 Cold Dmg bhammer i hardly lost and like i said i just thought up of the pure vit and wasnt sure if it was good or not and i thought a pure vit bvb would be pretty ''unstoppable'' if u think bout it not the gear i said but the pure vit part

150 damage BH and you think that's unbeatable? And I don't like the low ar + saph socket of my 179 BH.

he might be a long time poster on this site but what does that have 2 do with dueling i know alot of BvB builds i just thought a pure vit would be helpful i dont like def BvBs bcuz nates take 2 much str even with -req i still dont like em with a BvB i like 2 go with as much vit as possible if u get what im saying....i was actualy thinking of building a def BvB 2 c how well it would work but i dont think i would be satified with the high str req personaly...:undecided: and i dont spam im actualy a very good player its just im best with nec and din builds better than i am of BvB builds *sigh* lol im just very cocky........

How would you feel if I told you that a good BvB build requires punctuation?

i only play west and a lil of east but i dont even try on east bcuz none of my friends play east lol and its harder 2 get on the ladder of east as well and 2 many higher lvls on east and i dont like easties that much bcuz they're hella more cocky than i am and they all think they're #1 and i know im not the best and i know im the worst.

I don't say I'm #1, I just say duel me if you think you're better. That's all I needed to do in the time I did play classic, and I still occasionally take a challenge.

[DaRKNeSsS]

no i ment since i play on west, easties come 2 west and talk alot of smack and alot of B.S. wich really irratates the hell out of me, and say that they're the best.....so u know y i got mad when u said u were east bcuz like i said alot of easties r cocky and mean but not all of them....im sry and i was wrong bout u zodi and yes i said i was THINKING of it not actualy made ONE and i dont have good "punctuation" on the net bcuz good "punctuation" isnt needed on the net! and actualy no i dont think a 150 bh is unbeatable i just think its hard 2 beat it since the best ive seen on west was a 174 40 ias 34x ar cold dmg psn dmg p ame'd bh on HC

[Zodijackyl]

no i ment since i play on west, easties come 2 west and talk alot of smack and alot of B.S. wich really irratates the hell out of me, and say that they're the best.....so u know y i got mad when u said u were east bcuz like i said alot of easties r cocky and mean but not all of them....im sry and i was wrong bout u zodi and yes i said i was THINKING of it not actualy made ONE and i dont have good "punctuation" on the net bcuz good "punctuation" isnt needed on the net!

I suppose punctuation isn't needed on the internet, it's just a common demonstration that you are above the age of twelve.

[DaRKNeSsS]

im 13 yrs old and i dont like punctuation on the net bcuz it isnt needed at all unless ur doing something very important but 4 any other reason i dont need it in unless im in school or doing a report 4 school reasons

[Zodijackyl]

im 13 yrs old and i dont like punctuation on the net bcuz it isnt needed at all unless ur doing something very important but 4 any other reason i dont need it in unless im in school or doing a report 4 school reasons

Case and point. I'm done with this thread.

[DaRKNeSsS]

lol k well ur cooler than i thought zodi :smiley: