Does a PvP Smiter need Max Block?

[RoseOfSharyn]

I'm just asking for peoples opinion if PvP Smiters even need 75% Max Block? When it can all go to Vitality. I'm thinking of doing max block because I would rather have it and lose 100 some life...

what you all think?

[japazo]

since 75% of your duels will be melee, Id say yes. No reason to skip out on it and get owned by WW Barbs :undecided:

[akumaxxyz]

75% is must needed vs good bvc unless you bm him

[mainaman]

unless you have max block even bming a bvc wll not help.
ou need block for zons/druid/zealer/barb/chargers/ww sins/kickers...
as you see alot of oponents

[akumaxxyz]

unless you have max block even bming a bvc wll not help.
ou need block for zons/druid/zealer/barb/chargers/ww sins/kickers...
as you see alot of oponents

smite with lacerator to get amp then grief = quick dead barb

[RoseOfSharyn]

so havig max block is a good choice, and whats bming?

[akumaxxyz]

bming = bad mannering

[Camden]

smite with lacerator to get amp then grief = quick dead barb

It's unfortunate that smite-vs-barb isn't a matter of who does more damage

[mainaman]

smite with lacerator to get amp then grief = quick dead barb
that if the barb stands still, which might be the case for the pub bars you are dueling , but not gonna happen with any decent barb

[akumaxxyz]

not talking about pub barbs, you can freeze and use clegs, it only takes like a few smites to trigger amp, lacerator got like 33% if i remember

[Camden]

Lacerator is a bad idea for a smiter. Those smites hoping to cast amp are wasted. If anything put a gavel of pain on switch.

But even still the barb can bm you back, which would render your bm attempts to compsensate lack of block entirely futile. No matter what you do a barb will demolish a smiter without block.

[TarnishedHope]

Any PvP characters, save C/Csins, that's sporting a shield and doesn't not go for max block will, unfortunately, be easy meat for most BvC.

So yes, you want max block.

[akumaxxyz]

the bad part about gavel is the 3 charges, otherwise it be the ultimate bm anti barb gear.

a 100% anti barb smiter won't get hit much, once amp hits barb is dead, there isnt much it can do but to tele away and use tele clip ww

[RoseOfSharyn]

"It's not the 100 life or so that will save you, it's the Max Block."

Thank you guys.

[ThatWasShockin]

Just getting the dex for a phase blade gives you max block with holy shield on anyway. If you use a hoz that is.

[SicHalo]

the bad part about gavel is the 3 charges, otherwise it be the ultimate bm anti barb gear.

a 100% anti barb smiter won't get hit much, once amp hits barb is dead, there isnt much it can do but to tele away and use tele clip ww

lol u serious! i question ur opponments to be nothing more than beginners...

firstly a anti barb smiter is dependent on lifetap triggering which will override amp anyway.

Secondly fade from treachery anyone?

or what if the barb then casts lifetap or amp?

which brings u back to square one, what ever one can do the other can use to counter it.

And yes max block is needed vs any mele or u will find alot of mele based chars tearing u to shreds.. Also for a paladin it should not require a huge amount of dex due to holy shield and high block pala shields

[Ouallada]

If you really have such a great dilemma, go for a setup which is non-max-block against non ar-based chars and which is max block against melee chars. With a pb, you will already be close to max block even with exile, so a couple of switches will give you the dext needed for max block. Perhaps shadow dancers, WWs, rare ring etc can be swapped in and out if it really is such an issue.

[akumaxxyz]

lol u serious! i question ur opponments to be nothing more than beginners...

firstly a anti barb smiter is dependent on lifetap triggering which will override amp anyway.

Secondly fade from treachery anyone?

or what if the barb then casts lifetap or amp?

which brings u back to square one, what ever one can do the other can use to counter it.

And yes max block is needed vs any mele or u will find alot of mele based chars tearing u to shreds.. Also for a paladin it should not require a huge amount of dex due to holy shield and high block pala shields

you dont get it... the version of the anti barb smiter was suppose to have defense like 60k someone posted long go, it rarely gets hit, and you do need some dex for max block with shields like exile.

you use fade,pala uses clease so ?, and curses still last a bit even with fade on, smite kills fast when your being amp,

[Ce Olba]

you use fade,pala uses clease so ?, and curses still last a bit even with fade on, smite kills fast when your being amp,

And if you ever bother with amp, you lose bo or grief, both which make you quite a bit inferior to a BvC. So, which is it? Less life or much less damage for your amp?

Or do you plan to use Atma's Scarab and depend on the 5% CtC?

Also, Gavel of Pain has a lvl 8 Amplify Damage, the lvl 15 Fade of Treachery makes that last for 6.09 seconds. And I think that's quite a nice trade-off for the fact that you lose half of your life for a total of 18.27 seconds of -50% PDR. Not to mention that it would be quite easy for the barbarian to use Life Tap.

Also, don't even bother saying that Cleansing is equal to Fade. Firstly, the difference between 1 pt cleansing and fade is 7% in duration. The other factor is that the BvC loses nothing because of the Fade, whereas your paladin loses his damage-giving aura, Fanatiscm. So, unless you plan to charge around until it wears off like a sissy, you are in quite a lot of trouble. Oh, and the lvl 3 Life Tap of a LT wand would last for 5.824 seconds if you had a 1 pt cleansing.

[akumaxxyz]

And if you ever bother with amp, you lose bo or grief, both which make you quite a bit inferior to a BvC. So, which is it? Less life or much less damage for your amp?

Or do you plan to use Atma's Scarab and depend on the 5% CtC?

Also, Gavel of Pain has a lvl 8 Amplify Damage, the lvl 15 Fade of Treachery makes that last for 6.09 seconds. And I think that's quite a nice trade-off for the fact that you lose half of your life for a total of 18.27 seconds of -50% PDR. Not to mention that it would be quite easy for the barbarian to use Life Tap.

Also, don't even bother saying that Cleansing is equal to Fade. Firstly, the difference between 1 pt cleansing and fade is 7% in duration. The other factor is that the BvC loses nothing because of the Fade, whereas your paladin loses his damage-giving aura, Fanatiscm. So, unless you plan to charge around until it wears off like a sissy, you are in quite a lot of trouble. Oh, and the lvl 3 Life Tap of a LT wand would last for 5.824 seconds if you had a 1 pt cleansing.

all your theory craft doesnt mean it works in practice, most pvpers can have a 3 minute bo and duels dont last that long when its bvc vs smiter. your life tap wont work unless you can hit the paladin every single time, where else if paladin amps you, freeze + tele smite = you dead. plus you wont hit him much because of the high defense

you can mindlessly random short ww and waste mana where smite cost 2 mana and just need a single good freeze + tele smite to kill you

[Ce Olba]

all your theory craft doesnt mean it works in practice, most pvpers can have a 3 minute bo and duels dont last that long when its bvc vs smiter.

For a 180 seconds bo, you would need a lvl 16 one. Now, let's see:
7 from CtA
1 from Anni
1 from BC
2 from Enigma
2 from Spirit
1 from CoA
2 from amulet
16 total

Yes, it might happen.

your life tap wont work unless you can hit the paladin every single time

That's like saying that a Summonmancer should beat a BvC because they do not hit every time. And hitting everytime with a non-ITD attack is impossible.

you can mindlessly random short ww and waste mana where smite cost 2 mana and just need a single good freeze + tele smite to kill you

Wow, I didn't know your smiter could do 53708 damage. Since that is what it takes to deal 6300 damage in a single hit when faced against 31% PDR and PvP penalty. That's got to be the worst ever overexaggeration.

[Ouallada]

In conclusion, you think amp is better against a bvc than lt? Even though it costs you half your life? Even though it renders the smites you use to proc amp worthless? Even though it could result in your death before you even manage to make use of amp?

BMing via LT by dracs/exile is much safer. You still get a decent ctc, you maintain your life and mana, and the triggering of lt is even more drastic a win condition than amp. What is there not to like?

[brascoop]

yes, a melee fighter always needs max block

[mainaman]

you dont get it... the version of the anti barb smiter was suppose to have defense like 60k someone posted long go, it rarely gets hit, and you do need some dex for max block with shields like exile.

you use fade,pala uses clease so ?, and curses still last a bit even with fade on, smite kills fast when your being amp,no its not true that such smiter gets rarely hit... they get hit a lot but life tap saves them from being demolished...
oh and by the way its really easy to beat such smiter , one only needs 10+ frw scs in inv and one is out of smiters range ...
by the way you duel on west?

[ThatWasShockin]

Yeah, he is on west.

[mainaman]

Yeah, he is on west.i was amused by his statement that one does not need sorb to duel ele chars..
he obviosly never played against the type of sorc that east has for example...

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

I am all for the max block on smitah
+1

[akumaxxyz]

i was amused by his statement that one does not need sorb to duel ele chars..
he obviosly never played against the type of sorc that east has for example...


east is all 70/15 bug sors

[ThatWasShockin]

The dueling style of east and west is very different. East is more organized but also more bm/run and heal/save and exit style. I personally never used anything more then tgods and ravens. I'd say 9 times out of 10 tho east players are better then west so he might need some sorb untill he learns what they do.

Anyway, get max block on your smiter :grin:

[akumaxxyz]

as i said most pvpers got a 3min bo usually, you amp with lacerator switch abck to greif setup, it kills barb much faster you got 75% block 60k def to tank him out. plus freeze+ cleg is very slow ww barb

[akumaxxyz]

i have been trying this on sp btw, so dont argue unless you try both the smite or bvc with these kinds of builds

[mainaman]

as i said most pvpers got a 3min bo usually, you amp with lacerator switch abck to greif setup, it kills barb much faster you got 75% block 60k def to tank him out. plus freeze+ cleg is very slow ww barb
you sure talk alot but have very little knowledge of what the real deal is, to cut on the whole 60k def smiter epic here is vid of me dueling McM (he is on one a 62k def smiter with clegs/hf) i have zero dr!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbgvk1cA-j0

another barb that used similar to mine set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqaana3do0k

pretty much only thing that will work in favor of the smiter is widowmaker on switch.
Hope we have cleared the issue now?

[akumaxxyz]

you sure talk alot but have very little knowledge of what the real deal is, to cut on the whole 60k def smiter epic here is vid of me dueling McM (he is on one a 62k def smiter with clegs/hf) i have zero dr!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbgvk1cA-j0

another barb that used similar to mine set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqaana3do0k

pretty much only thing that will work in favor of the smiter is widowmaker on switch.
Hope we have cleared the issue now?

those are some of the most stupid tele smiters i've seen, you dont even tele smite like that.
what you do is keep freezeing the barb and tele infront of his ww path not keep name locking him...

i dont care if you can win with 0dr dueling ppl like that, all you do is ww random away, any one with a brain will know how play against your style

[ThatWasShockin]

Nobody has a brain :grin: you can do that against most any smiter and win.

[Camden]

those are some of the most stupid tele smiters i've seen, you dont even tele smite like that.
what you do is keep freezeing the barb and tele infront of his ww path not keep name locking him...

i dont care if you can win with 0dr dueling ppl like that, all you do is ww random away, any one with a brain will know how play against your style

And anyone with a brain will know that trying to smite a barb with lacerator to cast amp is completely futile, unnecessary, and well... ****ing retarded.

Then again, you're west ladder.

Why not get on d2pk so myself/stef/mike can show how much of an utter failure your theorycrafting will turn out to be?

I'm not really even a barb player but I'd ****ing laugh at and then proceed to **** on any smiter trying to hit me with a lacerator. It's utterly ridiculous especially considering you brought up using exile for massive defense earlier.

[mainaman]

those are some of the most stupid tele smiters i've seen, you dont even tele smite like that.
what you do is keep freezeing the barb and tele infront of his ww path not keep name locking him...

i dont care if you can win with 0dr dueling ppl like that, all you do is ww random away, any one with a brain will know how play against your style
its not me on the smiter , read before post ... and no matter how you tele you cant hit the barb enough times before he kills you, as i said its a matter of gear set up... but i don't expect you to understand what i'm talking about...

i dont care if you can win with 0dr dueling ppl like that, all you do is ww random away, any one with a brain will know how play against your stylemy style is dictated by 150+ ping, thats why i get hit so much. the second vid the barb don't lag and as you can see with 0 dr he gets barely hit. again its a matter of gear set up .
you really have no idea how i duel smiters so keep those comments for yourself

[akumaxxyz]

and no matter how you tele you cant hit the barb enough times before he kills you
this is ridicolous

my style is dictated by 150+ ping, thats why i get hit so much. the second vid the barb don't lag and as you can see with 0 dr he gets barely hit. again its a matter of gear set up .
you really have no idea how i duel smiters so keep those comments for yourself

w/e

[mainaman]

this is ridicolous



w/eyep exactly, as I said I didn't expect you to understand what im talkin about , these barbs here had no idea what to do and ended up bamboozled even with some of the most stupid tele smiters i've seen, you dont even tele smite like that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GlVepZ2cBQ