need help with lvl 30 fissure druid

[normannen]

hopefully there are some lld pp here ^^ only lld i have tried is lvl 9 and there is a big differen't from 9 and 30 ^^ on top of that i haven't played much with druids so i have many question's :rolleyes:

1. do fissure need fcr? my guess is no because of the cooldown period.
2. how much fhr is needed?
3. item setup ?
helm : pelt with fissure or peasant crown?
armor : viper i guess
weapon : spirit sword
shield : dunno
belt : dunno
boots : cow king boots?
ring 1 : soj?
ring 2 : soj?
amu : dunno

inventory
40x 15life scs?

the skills i was thinking of was 18fissure 12 firestorm and 10 oak sage. best choice?

[inanefedaykin]

1. No
2. 99 fhr should be the minimum you consider, assuming you're using spirit.
3. Pelt, viper, spirit, rhyme, string of ears, sanders, sojs, 2 ele stats ammy
A mix of life, mana and frw scs. FHR ones as needed.

Level 13 firestorm, 1 molten boulder, 19 fissure, 7 volcano, 1 oak sage
The pelt you're looking for is rare with these mods: 10fhr, 2os, +life, +mana, +res, +2 elemental +3 fissure +3 oak sage and +3 to any of these; Armageddon, spirit wolves or volcano

[jakotaco]

Never made this particular build, so better await some "expert" I'll just comment from my limited lld experience.

1. do fissure need fcr? my guess is no because of the cooldown period.
it's helpful, but not as prioritised as usual
2. how much fhr is needed?
no idea, lets see were you end up with your gear...
3. item setup ?
I'll comment
helm : pelt with fissure or peasant crown?
Godly rares is probably the best, either a pelt with fissure and skills or a circlet with +2 ele, frw, mana, life stats and such.
armor : viper i guess
sounds good.
weapon : spirit sword
sounds good.
shield : dunno
You will want max block.
"Rhyme" Grim Shield is a solid choise overall.
belt : dunno
not sure, nice rare, string of ears, nightsmoke or maybe bladebuckle?
boots : cow king boots?
sounds good. Sander's are good aswell.
ring 1 : soj?
ring 2 : soj?
sounds good.
amu : dunno
a godly rare with +2 Ele skills, life, mana, stats, and such good stuff...
inventory
40x 15life scs?
Try find a nice mix of mana, life, frw and fhr from your charms.

[inanefedaykin]

Gloves are mage fists of course.

[NewForumBloke]

A fissure druid usually relies much on frw. Try for a couple Mana/Frw gcs, life/frw and the rest being life/res and life/mana. Setup i usually see:

2 ele/30 frw/mana/life/res circ or +2 ele +3 fissure +1-3 Oak pelt w/e fhr [Socketed with Sheals/Pskulls]
Viper/Shroud/Stealth [Socketed with Sheals/Pskulls]
+2 ele mana/res/life/stat ammy
Magefists
Spirit sword
Rhyme Grim/Bonesheild
Sanders Boots

Make sure you have a Insight sythe or something on switch for mana regen and if there was ever a time you needed to spam (like bm mlds hlds).

The pelts take quite a while to find, and when u find one for trade they are very very expensive. Might be better off using a +2 ele/30frw circ til u get used to the build and then try to upgrade to pelt.

-BLoke :smug:

[inanefedaykin]

Both volcano and fissure are long range and can name lock and 40 frw is enough to get out of most cornering techniques. FRW is good but I wouldn't suggest sacrificing anything for it.

[normannen]

thanks for all help.

i decided to build my char with items like these:

helm: 0/3sock pelt with 3fissure (prefer with other adds too, but not needed) or magic/rare pelt 2ele 3fissure (prefer with 30frw and 2sock, but not needed)
armor : Spirit shroud (prefer with 11mdr but not needed)
shield : rhyme grim shield or 2sock grim shield (prefer 15ed, but non needed)
weapon : spirit sword
gloves : magefist
belt : 24fhr / life / life rep
boots : sanders boot's
ring 1 : manald 8rep life
ring 2 : manald 8rep life
amu : magic 2 ele ~15rep or rare 2ele with some of these adds str/dex/life/rep life/mana

still need to get all the items so let's see how the final result get's ^^

scs:
11x 14-15life
25x 3frw with adds like mana/res
4x 5fhr with adds like mana/res

[Zangeif]

I linked you to my guide on the other forum where you posted this thread.

Check it out, I think there are a lot of changes you need to make.

[normannen]

I linked you to my guide on the other forum where you posted this thread.

Check it out, I think there are a lot of changes you need to make.

i read it and i'm thankful for the link you gave me, but i etc it's ladder char and i can't use scs like 5frw and there for i need to get frw from other places. i'm also think items like soj is to expansive for me :grin:

[brokensvt]

Normannen, let me give you my .02, given many many duels against these guys. First of all, in pubbies you'll have a ton of fun killing less-prepared characters. However, if you run into anyone in-the-know, you'll be destroyed. Hotspurs/Infernostrides, and even Nokozan Relic will be your demise.

If you don't use 2x SoJ and at least a 2/2(2 ele/2 Fissure-but preferably 2/3), you may not be happy with your damage. It probably won't be sufficient to take out most folks fast enough.

With that belt you list, any melee will destroy you fast. You almost MUST use String of Ears. It's basically the only protection a level 30 has against hard-hitting melee.

You will have to rely on massive run/walk. Despite mixed opinions above, the only Fissure who has dealt sufficient damage to me on a regular basis did so because he could evade me. Once he was cornered(literally, or between the little puddles in blood moor) he was toast. He has ~110% r/w.

I don't mean to discourage you, but really take the time to find the items you need prior to jumping in head-first. Any LLD caster relies heavily on +skills, especially to boost the lvl 18 and 30 skills.

Greg

[Zangeif]

Most of that info is wrong.

Noka or Hotspurs will destroy a fissure druid, but they are considered bm on my server. I thought they were on most other servers as well.

A 2/3 pelt is nice but it's not necessary. I have both a 2/3 pelt and a 2ele/30frw/15rep circlet. I use the circlet more often than the pelt.

You certainly don't need SoE for the DR. Some physical builds will beat you easily (WW barb, charger, and bow zon) and even a SoE won't help you survive. All the other physical builds will be very easy to beat.

FRW is very important - my fissure has 125. But the puddles in the blood moor are usually your friend. Making someone chase you through the zig-zagging puddles is a great way to force them to run over fissures.

Yes, you need sojs.

Overall fissure isn't one of the top builds because some chars beat it easily. However it does extremely well against necros and hammerdins - 2 of the most popular and powerful lld builds.

[jakotaco]

Some physical builds will beat you easily (WW barb, charger, and bow zon)

hmm? what am I doing wrong then? My ww barb is usually toast when it comes to fissure. (not the place for a moving attack)

[inanefedaykin]

Indeed, I've only done HLD with a fire druid but every whirly barb was an ezpk between fissure and volcano.

[Zangeif]

In LLD a BVC will have 150+ frw. They namelock WW you and desynch by about a full screen by the time they hit you.

There's no defense against this. You will die with no barb on your screen, and since you'll be running, you will have 25% block and 0 defense.

Your only other option is to stand and tank them. You obviously die doing this was well.

[inanefedaykin]

Spam fissure on the ground and run between puddles?

[Zangeif]

Yep that's the plan, but the barb still wins.

Well crappy barbs with 80 frw are easy. But the good ones with ~150 will beat you every time.

[brokensvt]

Most of that info is wrong.

Noka or Hotspurs will destroy a fissure druid, but they are considered bm on my server. I thought they were on most other servers as well.



Pubby = No such thing as BM. We aren't on that other website where LLD is "sanctioned," or "organized."

Greg

[crawlingdeadman]

pubby = such a thing as BM but people do it anyway.

as for organized i thought my tourney was organized fairy well. where were you?

i duel in pubs but that's no reason to have lower standards. if you cant get a good duel in a pub i go to a priv game.

[Zangeif]

Pubby = No such thing as BM. We aren't on that other website where LLD is "sanctioned," or "organized."

Cool I guess you use 2x dwarfs, spurs, and rising sun vs. hld sorcs too.

Way to go.

[PFSS]

Cool I guess you use 2x dwarfs, spurs, and rising sun vs. hld sorcs too.

Way to go.

When dueling in a pubby game there is no control over your opponents gear or tatics.

In a league game you can plan for your opponent having a maximum fire resist of 75%, if you plan on fighting in pubby games you cannot.

*****ing about BM in a pub will earn you zero sympathy - particulary from the person BMing you.

If you want to fight in a pub you just gotta accept you will come up against people with Nzorkan, ravenfrosts, whisps, thundergods, blackoaks, rising sun, hotspurs and so on and so forth.

[normannen]

the reason why i made this char is that many of my friends are making a lvl 30 atm and we were planning to do some tvt ^^ there will be a pala who use conviction in the team so the char can handle even a bm char using hotties ^^

btw Zangeif 2x dwarfs, spurs, and rising sun aren't needed when bm fire chars ^^ rising sun is + spurs are enough ^^

[inanefedaykin]

Norm, most chars will still completely sorb you even with conviction. Noko + spurs gives +95% res when most chars will have max fire res allready.

[crawlingdeadman]

anyone who sorbs or goes out of their way to get huge +max res in lld isnt worth dueling.

[superjayson]

anyone who sorbs or goes out of their way to get huge +max res in lld isnt worth dueling.
I agree.

Same logic applies to any kind of dueling.

[inanefedaykin]

Well, for some chars you just need it but going overboard on it is obviously bm.

[Zangeif]

If you want to fight in a pub you just gotta accept you will come up against people with Nzorkan, ravenfrosts, whisps, thundergods, blackoaks, rising sun, hotspurs and so on and so forth.

You'll also come across raged level 90s dueling your LLD.

The whole basis of LLD is GM since you're restricting yourself to a certain level for the sake of balance.

That's why you rarely find BM LLDers

[PFSS]

You'll also come across raged level 90s dueling your LLD.

The whole basis of LLD is GM since you're restricting yourself to a certain level for the sake of balance.

That's why you rarely find BM LLDers

Not if you open up your pub game with a level restriction...