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So I have never really made a Barb before. So I have very few knowledge of Barb builds.
Why would a ww barb pick 1sword 2-handed over 2 2-handed swords?
The damage of a Executioner Sword is 24 - 40 1handed and 47 - 80 2handed
So why not get 2 Executioner Sword if you are not gonna use a shield anyway?
You could get double the mods, such as AR?
Does it give you more hits when 2weapons are used wwing?
Nah, I don't believe it works that way. In every case I've seen; 2 weapons = fail on ww barbs.
FrankWest
23-05-2007, 23:46
The damage of a Executioner Sword is 24 - 40 1handed and 47 - 80 2handed
IMO, that's the answer right there. A sword wielded two-handed does twice the damage - and since there's no assurance that both will hit...
Lets say you have a 75% chance to hit with one sword in two hands. And you have a 75% chance to hit with a sword in your main hand, and a 75% chance to hit with the sword in your off-hand. Now you're relying on two odds, instead of just one, which means even though you will almost certainly hit more often - it won't be exactly twice as often (especially since sometimes there's just not going to be anything within range of your whirls) - and it will be for half the damage.
Also, sometimes, people just don't have a second sword that's worth compromising the ~2x two-handed damage of the first sword for.
And the other part of your question: Any weapon with AR/OW/CB/CtC only applies to the one weapon. Any hits landed with the other weapon won't factor those bonuses in.
Edit: Actually, CtC doesn't work period, with WW. But still. Everything else only works with the one weapon - not both.
BlastoNecrosis
23-05-2007, 23:49
from playing way back in the day we had to figure out the hard way...more damage and more hits with 1 2h.
and yeah wep stats don't stack...wishful thinking =D
ledzeppelin
23-05-2007, 23:50
get a ebotd cb it does way more dmg
BlastoNecrosis
23-05-2007, 23:52
TOTALLY!!!...oh and some war travs and arreats face and an eth shadow nigma......except no...
WarlockCC
24-05-2007, 11:07
get a ebotd cb it does way more dmg
As Blasto pointed out, we are fortunate to be ebotd free.
actually, exe-users are relatively few these days on east ladder at least. EXE's have very high requirements, leaving relatively low Vitality for duelling say for example a near vita build naga user, or bh user, neither of which REQUIRES a lot of dex/str pumping, and both of which can easily match the one handed damage of most EXE's, AND still allow you to use a high block/high def shield.
While Exes have high Reqs, if you've noticed lately, there's been a slight increase in the number of Exes that have been passed around. People have been finding decent ones, and some of them have made very nice BvAs and BvBs with them. Currently, I'm also in the hunt for one, but for now, I'll have to stick to using my Gothic Sword and treat it as if it was an Exe. :undecided:
- Akukami
FireMarshal
24-05-2007, 15:08
You can also look at it this way. Exe Barbs have natural AR built into them, from all the Dex. =)
Thanks guys. Too bad stats don't stack :]
While Exes have high Reqs, if you've noticed lately, there's been a slight increase in the number of Exes that have been passed around. People have been finding decent ones, and some of them have made very nice BvAs and BvBs with them. Currently, I'm also in the hunt for one, but for now, I'll have to stick to using my Gothic Sword and treat it as if it was an Exe. :undecided:
- Akukami
since I don't do a ton of dueling, I haven't noticed that trend. I have, from time to time, rarely seen a game: "bring gg exe" up, but again, rarely.
as for Baba trends. It used to be everyone wanted yellow gladius bo sticks, then green maces, then black ones, then red ones, and now, lately it seems that they like the green swords, be they shopp-able green crystal swords, or larger ones.
as for me, for bo-duty, I prefer the compact, 1x3 mace, for stowage purposes, since most of my baba's are two handers, and none have +2 primary weapons regardless.
Birgitte
24-05-2007, 18:09
Unless something changed in 1.11, WW displays damage as if both hands were working, but does damage with one weapon, in one hand. We made tests with a friend some time ago, with me hiting him with diffrent weapon configurations. WW with two weapons did same damage as WW with right-handed weapon and left hand empty (or other way around?). When I switched hands (weapon in left hand and right hand empty) WW did almost no damage, so I probably was hiting with empty right fist.
Unless something changed in 1.11, WW displays damage as if both hands were working, but does damage with one weapon, in one hand. We made tests with a friend some time ago, with me hiting him with diffrent weapon configurations. WW with two weapons did same damage as WW with right-handed weapon and left hand empty (or other way around?). When I switched hands (weapon in left hand and right hand empty) WW did almost no damage, so I probably was hiting with empty right fist.
how many times did you test that, i used to mess around dual-wielding and i know it hit more than s/s.
Metalshredderr
24-05-2007, 21:48
What's the highest damage an exe can get anyway?
WarlockCC
24-05-2007, 22:09
base max damage * 3 + 20
2 handed = 80 * 3 + 20 = 260
1 handed = 40 * 3 + 20 = 140
The times three is dirrived from the maximum possible 200% enhanced damage. Which means you get 100%(the damage you have) + 200% (enhanced damage) = 300% of what you had, in other words, times 3.
The 20 is the highest +max damage you can get on a weapon.
base max damage * 3 + 20
2 handed = 80 * 3 + 20 = 260
1 handed = 40 * 3 + 20 = 140
The times three is dirrived from the maximum possible 200% enhanced damage. Which means you get 100%(the damage you have) + 200% (enhanced damage) = 300% of what you had, in other words, times 3.
The 20 is the highest +max damage you can get on a weapon.
and thus, the reason bh/naga barbs are so popular. a max dmg of 140 on a bh is relatively affordable to get, and with the correct end game gear would allow for much lower str requirements, zero added to dex, and thus a mostly vita build.
while a talented "ranger" may do well with the exe, most will not. but again, it's mostly hypothetical, cause there simply aren't that many "gg" exe's floating around on ladder at least.
dont' get me wrong, I love the exe-er, my first baba ever, on non-ladder was/is a exe user, with a neat red 2xx dmg exe, and several 6 skt ones that I gemmed for the pretty colors (people love to ask what the big green sword is) I have just found, that it's harder to be a viable build with one.
now that being said, I did see someone with a perfed ed rune sword putting the hurt on some bh barbs...
Metalshredderr
25-05-2007, 19:36
^
Indeed, I think exe's look awesome too, the black and red ones especially, not so much the yellow ones.
And I have yet to see a 260 exe lol. I thought the best on east was that 25x nunka-crazzy(nick) had, His good buddy jacked it from him and apparently sold it for $100 in real life lolz, nick quit after that.
I'm not exactly sure how it works, you know, but from what I remember I think using 2 1h weps "increase the frequency of ww checks by 50%". What that means is you attack 50% more, not 100% more, and each time attack is an attack with only 1 weapon, either left or right hand one. Lets say you ww straight through a guy, your ww checks for 6 attacks, some will block/miss whatever, some will hit. Now you take off the shield and dual wield, you ww straight through the same guy, now ww will check for 9 hits instead of 6 but all hits will be the 1handed dmg of one of the weapons. There may also be a dmg penalty applied to the off hand but I may just be confusing with how it is in WoW. Anyway I know I tested like using 2 nagas vs ancient axe I I'm pretty sure using the 2hander is far superior in classic. In LoD with the runeword crap the things are so overpowered it's actually viable, or maybe better I dunno, to dual wield but not in classic.
fledgeling
26-05-2007, 21:30
do you get 9 chances to use crushing blow then?
so in theory a barb using dual execs (range of 5 while 2x one-handed?) + boneflesh
could hit a bh barb (range of 1) 50% more times?
SecretsOfNowhere
26-05-2007, 21:42
Dual wielding or using 2h's in BVB is just asking to get raped by 75% block :P
do you get 9 chances to use crushing blow then?
so in theory a barb using dual execs (range of 5 while 2x one-handed?) + boneflesh
could hit a bh barb (range of 1) 50% more times?You get more hits per ww, so yes more crush blows, more open wounds, whatever. But each hit is for 1h dmg, not both weapons hitting at the same time.
Exec. range is 3.
Block is overpowered in this game - not using a shield in melee vs melee is out of the question.
Why is it that the general weapon trends for barbs changed with 1.1?
I can see now that marts/bh's/nagas/even lances require less stats than an exe, however, the exe was very popular in .09 when I played for a long time.
What was it that changed in 1.1 that made very high vit, low defense the popular root to go?
Why is it that the general weapon trends for barbs changed with 1.1?
I can see now that marts/bh's/nagas/even lances require less stats than an exe, however, the exe was very popular in .09 when I played for a long time.
What was it that changed in 1.1 that made very high vit, low defense the popular root to go?
low defense? pure BvB's are still going the route of lvl 31 shout, 902 ornates 3XX grim shields, and 25x grim hats...
as for why it changed, I'm guessing people got a little smarter about how to build one, more bh's/marts have been found (on ladder) as people have moved away from the dupefestival that was non-ladder?
It also has to do with ML/LL being removed from duels. In 1.09, people didn't use Angelics in duels because LL was simply better. They used duped LL/DEX/STR rings or legit LL/AR/MIN/stat rings. Using a duped Exec sword wasn't too difficult because of this, especially if -40 req, and quality battle hammers weren't too common.
Before I quit diablo 2 the first time, around about 1.10ish, I remember having cubed the highest damage exec i've ever seen. Using soj's and pskulls i cubed a 258 exec. Can't quite remember the rest of the stats on it, but it was pretty godly. Unfortunately i didn't sell it or give it away when i quit and my account which was pretty rich with gear just was left to rot and got deleted afaik.
I'm now in the process of relearning the game and starting from scratch which is coming on pretty well but atm i have to suffer with just a 100 dmg 1h tulwar.
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