FoHer

[DoesItSuitYou]

okay so the other day i was in a game w/ my 86 hammerdin and a lvl 53 joins and pwns me w/ FoH. it turns out it was turtleism :laugh: . so i wanted to make one and he told me to max conviction, holy shock and FoH. i was wondering what about holy shield? and also what gear. i know 2 10% fcr rings and magefist, but what else...
thanks:thumbsup:

[nickedoff]

i know 2 10% fcr rings
AFAIK FCR is useless to FoHadins. It only hastens the cast animation.

[yohed]

2x soj
tarn
gskin
+2 pally 40 IAS weapon
+2 pally priz ammy
res gear.

[VThief]

+2 pally 40 IAS weapon

So, IAS affects foh?

[bojddo]

no... maybe to zeal people??

[goomba]

there has been much discussion about whether, and which pally skills are affected by IAS/FCR.

the general consensus is that FCR does NOT impact FOH-Casting speed. There is some debate, about whether IAS does. From what I have seen, the successful FOH-ers use a IAS +2 Cutlass - deduct the reasoning behind it for yourselves.

also, much like farcasting, I have been told that it's easier to namelock with the higher resolution that xpac offers...

[JudasXPriest]

AFAIK, neither IAS nor FCR affects Foh. kinda like blizz metinks. >< but for gear try to get as much +skills as you can.

Tarn
+2 ammy
+2 weap (perhaps +2 Holy Shock?)
+2 shield
x2 Soj
Silks
Tri-res belt
Tri- Res boots
maybe Frosties for extra mana?

if you have trouble with any sorcs just switch out ur +2 shield with a Tri-gemmed shield. Much better than GS ;). and with +8 skills still, ull still be doing... 2.5k? which is plenty to rape any sorc in 1 hit with Conviction. FvF is different though. from what i hear from peeps here, higher level Conviction cancels out Lower level conviction. so FvF is won with higher level Conv. Dont try to fight any zons though lol. Their dodge is killer against foh ><. If you manage to hit them. then gg lol

[Turtleism]

Now heres a debate thats bound to cause a stir, personaly i believe that a All Skill build Foh (being a Foh with all the +skills gear they can get their hands on) is easly beaten by a All Round build Foh (being a Foh that is using low str items with a lot of res, life and fhr).

I've had a Foh for some time, i have just finished my foh's rebuild after i became very annoyed with how the All Skill Foh was beaten by any person who wasnt such a "noob" player. My new Foh use's a All Round build which is WAY BETTER, 75 all res in hell diff, 1.5k life, plenty of fhr to keep me alive from counstant tpk attacks. And best of all, he can fvf with the best of them :)

Btw just a note for skills, Max Foh, Max Convic, Max Holy Shock, 1-3 points in Salvation (when ur tpk'ing with a foh on either side u will realise how much this skill will help u), 1 point in Holy Sheild (you dont need any more honestly), 1 point in Vigor (for all you synchers and just ppl who want to go for that sleeper hdin look) and i highly suggest a fair few points in Light Resist (raises ur lr and helps with fvf if ur vs'ing a All Skill Foh).

[DoesItSuitYou]

okay okay okay, so heres what i got in mind for a 30 FoHer

so, first i'll get 1 point to FoH, and 1 point to conviction :P. then ill get as much as humanly possible into holy shock and one to holy shield, the rest to lightning resist i think...

then ill throw on a steelclash, a tarn, a +1 ammy, a +1 sceptar hopefully w/ holy shock. that'll be an extra 4 points (if you can do math:grin: )

then i think twich (duh) and perhaps frosites (i will need plenty of mana), if not on the frosties i think ill do bloodfist and bladebuckle (fhr = jesus on wheels). then i dont know what boots or what rings but ill figure it out :laugh:

then ill get minimum strength, and rest vital, but duh on that as well :prop:

that build sounds pretty tasty to me eh? what do you guys think?:listen: (thats me waiting to hear what you have to say... im listening)

[WarlockCC]

Holy shock skills on the scepter won't help your FoH damage, only hard points will help for synergies.

Other then that I'd say, go for it, why isn't he done yet ? :)

[Fists of War]

30 FoH...no.

I thought it was a great idea 'til I tested it in SP. The damage is small, around 300 or so, which zompared to 2k+ fireball sorcs and 1.5-2.5k hammer damage at this level, is really not enough. The -res is nice, but a single point in a res aura will cancel it out. It's also slow to cast compared to the above skills. But maybe on a level 35, which I also tested:

690-780 foh damage, -85 resists.

I dumped the resat of the points in hammer, and with a +1/+3 sceptor I managed 420-430 hammers.

Not really lld at lvl 35, more like mld, but who cares? As long as you don't pick on lower levels everyone's happy.

[fledgeling]

I wonder if Culven's would be a good choice (20fhr, but dex required)
perhaps silks and sigon's shield

[WarlockCC]

Culwins definately works for that level 12 Ice-blaster on Euro sc nl.
But other then such cases I have never found any use for them.
I've kept 2 somewhere, but that level 29 req just kills it's usefulness.

[fledgeling]

never seen the ice blaster

is this thequz? he has the other charger using prelod (I think he has a bonesnap, you have a steeldriver)

[WarlockCC]

Nope, not Quz.
And there are several other people that have prelod snaps that I know of.

[DoesItSuitYou]

fist of war, with all my + gear, ill have 5 to foh, 11 to holy shock, 5 to conviction, and pently to lightning restist. that sounds super good. is that acually still bad tho?

[Fists of War]

Hmm, not so bad I as I may have sounded. I tested again with +7 skills (you seem to only have 5 though, so I assume you're using silks, tarn, +1 shield/ammy/sceptor, with no soj's :P. With that gear + 2 soj's I managed around 380-450 damage, with -65 enemy res. Now considering a lot of people can muster that much res straight up with no special gear, that means you could probably bring thieir res down to 0. That means you will be doing around 65-75 lightning damage - a reasonable amount to kill a fair few lld's - that is if you are good at staying away and still casting FoH when they are off screen.

But if they use a lightning res aura + their normal lite res of ~50+, your damage will be halved. If they use a 3Ptopaz shield, they will have enough res even without the aura to reduce your damage to a measly 15-20. Against a barb with average life for lvl 30, that is a hell of a lot of FoH's, considering FoH isn't exactly a spammable skill.

That said, I'd just go for it. You'll catch most pubs and lld's every time, unless they know to stack res against you. If you duel in NM against someone who just manages to keep their lite res at 0, then you will own them. Don't expect to win if someone knows what you are and has gear to counter you though!

BTW what's your account? I'll add you and whisper you for duel sometime :P, especially if you make a 30 FoH (and I hope you do!)

[WarlockCC]

I believe it was Fledgeling who pointed out the benifits of the Felloak club.

[Fists of War]

Yep, thats like, 60 lightning resists?

Goodbye Mr. FoHer >.<

[DoesItSuitYou]

you were right fist of war :cry: he only does like threehunsky dmg. i guess he needs to go higher :badteeth:

[Fists of War]

And the cool thing is, an foh pally can be 'finished' around lvl 60. By the I mean there is no damage difference between a lvl 99 foher and a lvl 65 foher with the same gear ^_^

That's why turtilism's foher beat your pally so easily...

[Turtleism]

Also cause i got skill :)

And i know how to spell Turtleism -.-