a zon question

[UnholyDuality]

i have a question
i want to make a lightining javazon that will own anything aound it
what skills and items do i need?
reply or msg*kill-switch*:thumbsup:

[Aiglos]

There are about a million LF javazon guides around the internet.

Uber gear?

Ethereal up'ed Titan's Revenge (although perfect TStrokes would do dmg)
Perfect Griffons socketed with a Rainbow Light Facet 5/5
JMOD socketed with 4 Rainbow Light Facets 5/5
Perfect COH in an Archon Plate with perfect DEF
+2 to Jav, 20 IAS, STR, DEX, Tri-res gloves
40FRW/10FHR, tri-res boots
Perfect Mara's Kaleidoscope (or a +2 rare that has better mods)
Perfect Ravenfrost
Dual leech ring with mana, str, life, and tri-res (is that possible?)
Perfect TGODS VIGOR or Razor Tail (your choice)

Did I forget anything?

Oh, yeah,

Perfect Anni
Perfect Torch
9X Java Skillers with + Res, +Life, or +Mana mods (all max, of course)

MERC GEAR: (Act 2 Nightmare Might Merc)

Eth Infinity (who really cares what it goes in, eh?)
Eth Perfect Fortitude (shoot for, oh, say, 3.5K def)
Eth Andy's Visage (ral'ed)

I would guess that this would be pretty much the ultimate setup. That is unless you can slap four facets into some kind of insane JMOD armor of the Whale. I don't even know if you can actually get the benefit from a facet if it's in armor.

You might not survive getting hit, but your damage output would be frightening to say the least...

As to skills

Max LF
Max PS
Max CS
Max LS

1 to each passive
Valk the rest of the way (if you have anything left)

[Rawness]

Not really the potential best gear.


You might not survive getting hit, but your damage output would be frightening to say the least...

Well then this setup isn't perfect. It isnt ultimate for damage potential or speed for that matter.

[Aiglos]

You know what I hate?

When people show up, have some smart*** commentary about how something isn't this or that, and then refuse to add their own two cents.

For PvM I would dare you to strike a better balance of damage vs. survivability. Personally, I don't think that build is as survivable as having a Stormshield socked with a pdiamond, but that's just me.

It doesn't make the 90% IAS breakpoint, but who cares -- the shield, Griffs, and potentially an armor socked with 4 perfect Rainbow facets (not to mention the Infinity wielding merc) should tear through anything the game can throw at you.

I suppose if you want to be technical then the best possible javs would be 6/40s, but, hey, we don't all have several hundred hrs to throw at our character builds, eh?

I suppose when I think of truly 'uber' characters I don't think from a rich dupe-wielding dueller's perspective. I think along the lines of what will allow me to kill the quickest with the least worry and frustration in a P/8 game in Hell.

But, hey, that's just me, eh?

So enlighten us, Raw. Edify me as to the *perfect* Javazon setup.

[tinncann25]

y would you want to have all ur inventory spots filled for pvm?

if this is a pvm build, your gear selection is pretty useless, too much damage too low survivability

titans (normal is fine)
pheonix (this is best)
griffons (shako for mf is good too)
enigma, coh (depends on where you are mfing)
raven
dual leech ring
war travs (just for the mf, if you dont need mf then anything works)
java gloves (2skill 20ias resis/stats)
you can keep ur inventory empty except for torch/anni and some tps

ur merc is important. It must use infinity and some helm/armor that gives it maximum survivability.

[awilhelmscream]

OP: Check out the build and guides sticky at the top of the amazon forum, it'll give you a variety of great options for gear and skill choices and all this without the ego trip! :thumbsup:

[Aiglos]

Tinn,

The posters question was how to build a javaz on that would, to QUOTE him/her, own ANYTHING around it.

Your build not only offers little in the way of getting full res, but it also offers Phoenix (which pubbies seem to adore on their Javazons) but really makes NO difference in kill speed at the highest levels. And the Enigma...bleh, I don't understand why people want to slap an Enigma on their zons. Yeah, the str bonus is huge, and the FRW is very nice, but give me 200% ED to Demons, 65 all res, and 8% DR of COH over Enigma's nastiness any ole' day.

I play PvM almost exclusively, and the build as you outline it (which is the general build for pub game amazons -- that I see EVERYWHERE -- does do good damage, but, honestly, I don't see how you can accuse MY gear layout of being somehow *less* survivable than the one you offer).

The only difference here really lies in you choosing Phoenix as your shield and War Travs as your boots -- which I also heartily disagree with. If we're talking about survivability then it's best to shoot for nice tri-res boots (although they are usually relegated to PvP builds). But War Travs? The poster didn't say ANYTHING aout magic finding. No thanks, I say, to the War Travs. I'd rather have my good ole' ethereal Treks any day of the week.

My OWN layout is as follows -- and survives VERY well in Hell -- that is, I can stand in the middle of the throne in a Baal run and not die.

Rare Tiara: All res 18, 7LL, 8ML, 20% FHR

Amulet: +1 zon skills, 15 AR, 6 Dex, Replenish Life6, 14 (or15) all res

Ring #1: FR, CR, PR 18%, LR 35%, 8% LL, 8 energy, 89 mana
Ring #2: Raven (200 AR, 20 dex)

Belt: TGods Vigor

Armor: COH Archon Plate

Shield: Stormshield socketed with p/diamond

Boots: Ethereal Treks

Gloves: Rare +2 Java, 20 IAS, 13 Dex, 19% PR

Weapon: Regular Titan's -- 9%LL

On switch I carry Demon's Arch and Tiamat's Rebuke for Lit Immunes

My merc:

Infinity GPA
Eth Fortitude (3.4L def, 26 all res)
Vamp Gaze

I survive remarkably well, and that's why I suggested in the earlier post that the gear outlay I offered initially was NOT as survivable as it should be. Do you people even bother to read full posts any longer? That's why I actually suggested that Stormshield socketed with UM or a pdiamond, in my opinion, was the way to go.

But that's not what the poster was asking for -- my interpretation of his request was that he wanted a HIGH DAMAGE build. Well, there you go, the gear outlay for the build I offered = enormously high damage.

[NASE]

with all do respect, the first lightning immune that respects itself will rip you like there no tomorrow. A single element user will never own everything. You need to take on backup skills if you want to own everything. Or at least a wand with lower resist charge on switch.

btw, doesn't the lightning tree has 5 synergies instead of 4.

P.S. there isn't something like the best gear anyway. For me, fun is the most important factor, tanking everything in the thrown isn't my personal idea of fun (I hope you aren't referring to an empty room, even I can do that). though obvious it seem more fun for you. It just like religion, there isn't one the best, all we can do is have respect for the others and try to life in harmony.
Now I'm going to run like hell, ;-)
Get it, harmony?...

[WrongdayJ]

. . .with all do respect, the first lightning immune that respects itself will rip you like there no tomorrow. A single element user will never own everything. You need to take on backup skills if you want to own everything. Or at least a wand with lower resist charge on switch. . .

After reading and thinking about all of the builds listed. . .I gotta kinda agree with this statement. I'm kinda thinking that the 1st aura enchanted LI/PI that comes along is gonna get a nice big bowl of Javazon for breakfast. Aiglos is on the right path, though- his build would do VERY well. I have a Lightning Javazon very similar to the one he listed and it is darn near invincible. Although there have been a few particularly nasty Boss packs that have scared me a couple times. You know the type: Conviction aura, LI/PI/FE/LE/CE, etc. We've all ran into the occasional FREAK monster that is immune to everything. That's what I call a reality check monster. Let's you know that no matter what you build (well, short of the Abbott) that there is something out there that can put a whoopin on it.

I prefer the tried and true Buriza + FA for a hybrid flavor (well, that and a Butt load of high damage poison charms) to deal with LI's- but as was listed- Demons + Tiamats is awesome, too. Can't always depend on the ol' Merc for dealing with stuff in Hell.

I'm not taking anything away from the builds listed- they all would kick some serious booty to a point. But none of them would own everything. And I also second the thumbs down on the Enigma. I can think of about 30 other armors I'd wear before I put an enigma on a 'Zon. CoH, Treachery, Duriels Shell, Shaftstop, Skullders Ire for MFing, Fortitude, heck- even Peace is more useful to me at least.

[Aiglos]

I was looking at pure ability to do a single heavy does of Lit damage.

Infinity WILL break the vast majority of Lit immunes, even in Hell. It certainly works for me. But, yes, Lit immunes DO pose an enormous problem. If anyone had read the other thread I posted they would know that I have been on a search for the most convenient way to deal with this.

I am guessing that Jay is actually on the right track. With +skills FA presents what I would consider the best option for dealing with LI/PI monsters, but with conviction up, well, Demon's Arch and Tiamats will do their work with only a few points invested in Jab. The thing that people forget about conviction is that it lowers not just resistance but also monster defense, making things much easier. That's not to mention that the merc himself is using a weapon that lowers Lit resist by, what, 50%?

Outrageous...damage wise. But, yes, when we're talking about survivability we're talking about another beast altogether.

As to Enigma -- bleh -- it's a terrible choice for zons. I know some folks do build slight variants with FCR gear that allows them to tele, but zons are still terrible casters -- can they even hit a 9 frame tele?

COH, Treachery, and Skin of the Viper Magi are infinitely better choices, at least in my opinion.

I consider Treachery to be the scaling point for power among almost all zon builds. Once you can equip a Treachery you will almost inevitably see a huge increase in the killing power of your build.

As to my statement about standing in the Throne Room -- that has nothing to do with vanity. I wasn't bragging. I was just making a statement about the survivability of the build I had outlined. And, no, it's not just in a single player game. I regularly stand in the throne with players 5+ and seem to suffer no ill effects whatsoever (unless I'm poisoned).

The point is this: we're all talking about different things here. For example, take blizzers. There is a huge difference in a blizzer built for max damage vs. one built for actual survival. I would take Shako over Nightwing's and HOTO over Death's Fathom any ole' day...but that's just my personal opinion. The high damage variant would include (instead of a Spirit Monarch) a monarch with 4 perfect Cold facets...

Do you see the point I'm making?

Survivability does NOT equal completely obliterating everything, and that was the poster's initial question. How do I build something that will completely own EVERYTHING around it?

I agree that there really is no such thing as the perfect gear layout...especially for a build as diverse as an LF zon. I will say this, however: LF zons and Light sorcs are HIGHLY capable of dealing with monsters immune to their specific type of damage. And I think that is what makes them appealing to many people. There certainly are builds that do specific things or run specific areas with more efficiency. But for sheer, unadulterated, abusable killing power...I don't think you can go wrong with either of these builds.

They remain the only two builds I've ever played that you could genuinely screw up (at least somewhat) on your skill point distribution and tear through Hell if need be. Well, okay, I admit that when I first started playing I had a Zealot that ended up with only 10 points in Holy Shield and had maxed Thorns and he ended up becoming my DClone killer...so, they may not be the absolute builds when it comes to sheer ability to go anywhere and do anything.

The only build I can think of that comes close and is probably more efficient is the Hammerdin...which I hate...

[WrongdayJ]

. . .I consider Treachery to be the scaling point for power among almost all zon builds. Once you can equip a Treachery you will almost inevitably see a huge increase in the killing power of your build. . .

. . .The only build I can think of that comes close and is probably more efficient is the Hammerdin...which I hate...

Amen on the Treachery.

I agree with you on Hammerdins, too. They are powerful no doubt, but jeez the cheese factor is incredible.:rolleyes: