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Camintoi
18-05-2007, 06:28
Just wondering what gear to put on my might merc for ubering/pvm. Im a summoner. People say infinity, but i'm leaning towards pride. Other than that should i equipt a vamp gaze and upped shaftstop? And last thing, is it worth it to carry around beast for the fanat aura? ty
Well the only necro build I know of that can uber is the summoner. The best merc for this is a might merc. Infinity is especially good. This is because not only does it lower the resists of the ubers so your mages can deal more damage, but it lowers their defense, which allows your skelly warriors and revives to land more hits. Infinity also has a nice crushing blow mod, which is good for killing ubers or just regular pvm boss killing, when you won't find many crushing blow monsters nearby to revive. Infinity also has PMH, which is good when fighting poison immune monsters like Uber mephisto.
Armor good for the merc is fort or duress. Fort adds a lot of damage and armor. Especially because it can ctc frozen armor. Fort also has better resists than duress. Duress adds nice damage too, because of its minor crushing blow and open wounds mods. But open wounds isn't necessary, because you'll have poison mages and the crushing blow mod is only 15%. Fort is better imo.
For helm. Whether you go pride or infinity, your merc will have no life leech. So you need a helm to give life leech. Vampire Gaze, crown of thieves, and andariels visage, all give life leech. Vampire gaze has 17% damage reduction and adds cold to his attack. Andariels visage would raise his damage slightly. Vampire gaze seems to be more popular, so you might want to go after that one.
Coh armor gives life leech and has better resists than fort, but your merc will do less damage and have less def.
It would be worth the fanat aura. The aura raises the AR, Damage, and attack speed of your summons. Faster attack speed means your Urdar and Mauler revives will land more crushing blows, which is important for killing ubers. Same with higher AR. And damage is a plus. Most people use beast, so that they can block with homunculus or ss. But, I personally prefer the faith bow, because it is a slightly stronger aura.
DeathSpawn
18-05-2007, 16:09
PMH doesn't work on ubers. if you have urdar revives i think that infinity looses to pride and reason is pretty simple, the urdars rarely miss the monsters and will be making 2x-3x more dmg and so will the melee skeletons... i tried to kill mini-ubers and ubers with infinity merc and had to get revives 3 times, with pride i killed mini-ubers with one revives and went to uber trist and killed meph, only needed second wave of revives after that. btw merc dies to easily, mine had infinity/pride, andys, forty, and was with bo lvl 17 and died with 2 hits from any ubers... if you have urdar revives dont bother with ubers healing, they go down in less then a minute each of them, if you have might merc+infinity/pride+beast+revives.
The revives rarely miss, but that is because they have a lot more AR than your skeletons. Pride may raise your skeleton's damage, but it won't matter if your skeletons are hitting less. Pride raises the damage of your revives, but the revives don't do a lot of damage to begin with. They're mainly used for their crushing blow and teleblobing. And however many more hits having infinity will give, is more chances for crushing blow. The lowering of enemy defenses is good for fighting ubers and just general pvm. Infinity will increase the damage of your mages more than pride will increase the damage of your revives. So I think that you will have a higher damage output using infinity than using pride when ubering. Not to mention that in general pvm, infinity raises the damage of your corpse explode.
DeathSpawn
18-05-2007, 18:30
Infinity will increase the damage of your mages more than pride will increase the damage of your revives. So I think that you will have a higher damage output using infinity than using pride when ubering. Not to mention that in general pvm, infinity raises the damage of your corpse explode.
yes mages will make more dmg, i think it's almost double dmg, however melee skellies make 2x more dmg then mages and with pride they'll make 4-6 times more dmg then "normal" mages, if you also put infinity it would be again: melee making 2 x more dmg then mages. as for skellies missing their attacks, well i went andy with just skellies and they didn't seem to miss the attacks and as i said on my previous post i killed a lot faster with pride then with infinity, and merc cb is weak when compared to urdars cb and cb is only good at beggining of fight, later on when life is low its useless so when life is low your only way to make good dmg is with skellies+merc and the dmg combo skellis+merc dmg is bigger with pride then with infinity.
ahuitzotl
18-05-2007, 19:24
yes Pride is the best for ubers.
Infinity sucks for them because, one of the ubers has a higher conviction aura than Infinity casts.. so your conviction gets cancelled out and does nothing.
DarkEsprit
19-05-2007, 00:09
one of the ubers has a higher conviction aura than Infinity casts.. so your conviction gets cancelled out and does nothing.
No such thing occurs. Both parties are affected by each other's conviction aura.
Can mercenaries only use a single item's aura at a given time? I recently rolled a 21 bramble and put it on my summoner's merc, and it seems to interfere with his infinity.
Lich Lord Soth
19-05-2007, 00:59
PMH doesn't work on ubers. if you have urdar revives i think that infinity looses to pride and reason is pretty simple, the urdars rarely miss the monsters and will be making 2x-3x more dmg and so will the melee skeletons... i tried to kill mini-ubers and ubers with infinity merc and had to get revives 3 times, with pride i killed mini-ubers with one revives and went to uber trist and killed meph, only needed second wave of revives after that. btw merc dies to easily, mine had infinity/pride, andys, forty, and was with bo lvl 17 and died with 2 hits from any ubers... if you have urdar revives dont bother with ubers healing, they go down in less then a minute each of them, if you have might merc+infinity/pride+beast+revives.
I am no expert, but I had no trouble with the mini ubers and the only revives I had were a few I picked up along the way after going through the portals. I still haven't had a chance to go to tristram again, so I can't address that challenge. My merc was armed with Infinity. The only times he was killed were when he was IM'd by the oblivion knights.
No such thing occurs. Both parties are affected by each other's conviction aura.
No.. A higher level Conviction will cancel out another (lower level) one if it is active. For the record, mephs conviction>>>>infinity
You can cancel out mephs convic with an auradin or something.
Skelious
19-05-2007, 23:29
Somewhere around here i read about the whole conviction thing, no you cant break it 4 meph i think. But your main focus is on meat shields that will not die. I use a summ nec for ubers and he works fine. 20 skell 20 mages, 20 ce and 1 point revives gives me over 50 summs that are 00hat very strong
Somewhere around here i read about the whole conviction thing, no you cant break it 4 meph i think. But your main focus is on meat shields that will not die. I use a summ nec for ubers and he works fine. 20 skell 20 mages, 20 ce and 1 point revives gives me over 50 summs that are 00hat very strong
Mephisto's conviction is level 20.
DeathSpawn
20-05-2007, 02:26
Mephisto's conviction is level 20.
true. and there can be 2 conviction auras in UT, if a pala with lvl 20 conviction goes to UT there will be 2 conviction auras, but of course this doesnt happen with the infinity. if a pala goes with a conviction lvl higher them 20 then mephisto's aura is gone
Skelious
22-05-2007, 07:01
Thanks on the meph`s conv aura info folks. So with the infinity merc it can not be broken.
Zarniwoop
22-05-2007, 08:35
Your merc is going to die.
By my calculations, level 50 skeletons with the commonly used beast aura will have an AR of 2700. This means that they will have a 42% chance to hit the ubers without infinity's aura.
Your skeletons, when using infinity's aura to lower enemy defense, will have a 73% chance to hit the ubers. This is about a 70% increase in damage output from your skeleton warriors, because they will hit more often.
Your skeletons with 42% chance to hit and using pride's aura will get about a 60% increase in damage output, because conc aura increases pure damage.
70%>60%
So it looks like infinity increases the damage output of your skeleton warriors more, not to mention it increases your skeleton mages damage output too. The exception to this is when fighting mephisto, because of his ability to cancel out your infinity's aura. In the case of fighting him, pride would be better. But I think, because of my calculations, that infinity is better when fighting the other two and for just regular pvm.
Your merc is going to die.Not if you teleblob.
I just dont know how you guys with pride, get urdars revives... pride will shater corpses.. thats the main reason why i hate it soooo much...
ofc u put it in stash but i just hate pride for that cold thinkg...
DeathSpawn
23-05-2007, 11:00
I just dont know how you guys with pride, get urdars revives.
simple, when i teleport my skellies kill faster then merc so the corpse won't shatter because he didn't hit the monster before he dies...
Mad Mantis
24-05-2007, 00:11
By my calculations, level 50 skeletons with the commonly used beast aura will have an AR of 2700.
Actually closer to 9k AR.
hmm i did forget about character level.
my merc wears this (always):
guilumes face ias/demon ed/ar jool
ethe cryptic axe insight
ethe bugged coh
most impostant part of this is vs meph where you need to make sure that your merc isnt the 1st in line to get hit.
isnight on a merc? well riseing the army is a pain and obi trehser takes too mutch space to carry around. crushing blow isnt really an problem since who does solo ubers without urdrars anyways?
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