BvC vs. Enigmancer troubles

[TyMForTheStuff]

Hi all you people, well i have some difficulties beating an enigmancer... what should i do in strategy ways and stuff things?

Btw mi barb uses:

Dual axe (Doom / Beast) - Switch Widowmaker
Enigma Mage Plate
Ravenfrost and angelic combo
Draculs
Goreriders
Arreats
Verdungo


Well that's it... some tips are welcome :).

Thx a lot people, gl.

[saellison]

I am assuming by enigma mancer you mean a bonemancer wearing engima. I have a bonemancer. There are some things you can do against them to make their life much harder.

-Make sure you have sufficent FHR. If you don't have sufficent FHR they can spam teeth or bonespear and lock you.
-Holy freeze doesn't do anything since they are teleporting around. Use a Griefz and a beastz for max damage.
-Perhaps the most important one, don't make long ww's. While against some chars you can get away with this, you cannot resist a bonemancers damage and a long ww=you getting hit by like 20 bonespears/spirits.
-A tri whirl would probably work really well if the bonemancer is either not built to handle melee or has awful fhr.
-Against a BvC a bonemancer will play very defensive so it is probably best to learn some delayed namelock skills so you can catch him off gaurd. Try to guess where he is going to land.
-A technique bonemancers commonly use is creating a spirit cloud and teleporting into it hoping to draw you to tele into it too and if you do it will hurt. Try to be wary of this.
-Be prepared to get decrepified, bone prisoned and generally pissed off.

I hope any of that helps and is not stuff you already knew.

[brascoop]

yea ur gonna need griefz + beastz for max dmg

check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhf88o3YEdQ

thx to mcm for this nice video :)

[MysticDragon]

Grief Beast
Highlord
2x FCR rings with mana / life / ar
Enigma
Spider
Dracs
Gores

2x doom switch

This is my setup versus boners. It works very well.

[soul killer]

Youll have a very hard time vs. a max block Bonemancer.
Unsummon Tele and a nice Tri-WW will usually kill the Nec.
If theyre good theyll play more defensively and bombard you with Spirits before you can even think about doing an Unsummon Tele.

Dont be a stupid BvC and youll win :D

[MysticDragon]

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=536065

This will help versus defensive casters.

[Summerfun]

I would say that getting 40 fcr is more important than getting a grief!
Sure grief is MUCH better than doom, but doom still gets the job done!

Practic name locking and get 40 fcr! thats the way to go

[MysticDragon]

Getting Grief more than doubles your damage...

[soul killer]

No Grief no Dmg.

Full stop.

[Summerfun]

You cant be serious! I agree that greif is by far the best weapon, but what did we all do before grief were arround?
Doom does decent damage and the cold from HF makes their FHR animation slower, making it easier to keep them in tri-whirls.

[soul killer]

Yes, it makes them very slow.
But, your dmg will be pathetic and the HF aura doesnt decrease FCR.
Nec can tele away with 86FHR.

I agree that greif is by far the best weapon, but what did we all do before grief were arround?
Well people sure didnt use DoomZ.

I agree its a good RW, but it just doesnt beat Grief for a BvC.

[Summerfun]

You are missing my point!
Grief is the best yes!
And no i diddent use doomZ before Grief.

But... Im pretty sure i could kill 99% of all pub necs with doom and nothing else if i just had 40 fcr.
If would ófcourse be 100 times better with higher dmg weaps.
But its doable

[Hyphy]

yea ur gonna need griefz + beastz for max dmg

check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhf88o3YEdQ

thx to mcm for this nice video :)

uhm griefz isn't max dmg. it just negates defense or w/e. the damage itself.

but ya, greifz is a good option if you hit max ias bp. or use e-deathZ instead.

it's a pain for any casters. but greifz is fine

[nex]

uhm griefz isn't max dmg. it just negates defense or w/e. the damage itself.

WTF are you talking about?

or use e-deathZ instead.

Oh, yes. 8 fpa WW ftw :rolleyes: Too slow, using Death on a ww barb is very bad idea.

[Camden]

Grief / Beast

Arach / Trangs or fcr rings / Griffons.

Better damage and 63 fcr.

Whoever said eth death z.... Lol

[mythos]

Grief / Beast

Arach / Trangs or fcr rings / Griffons.

Better damage and 63 fcr.

Whoever said eth death z.... Lol

Fcr rings would be better imo, beccause then you can wear dracs for extra ow. Definitely, grief/beast zerk comb. Yeah, what you said about death......

With dracs/gore/beast you have nice ow. Then keep dual dooms on switch for aura kills.

[Ce Olba]

Fcr rings would be better imo, beccause then you can wear dracs for extra ow. Definitely, grief/beast zerk comb. Yeah, what you said about death......

With dracs/gore/beast you have nice ow. Then keep dual dooms on switch for aura kills.

40% FCR and Dracul's means you are stuck with low AR, at best 10 less dex with 260 less AR for a total of ~1800 less AR. And that is, if you have perfect +15 dex and +120 AR along with high mana and fcr. Ravenfrosts > FCR rings. FCR rings are only good versus necromancers, fire and lightning sorcs and even then I would still take Ravenfrosts for the higher CtH meaning more damage over time.

The OW is quite worthless if your CtH is lower than 80ish, which it surely will be, unless you can get 12 000 AR with your FCR rings, which I seriously doubt. Normally people have 12 000ish with Ravenfrosts. And even that would make you trigger your OW a mere 5% of all of your hits. Now, that means on average 20 hits before OW triggers. Now, if it takes you 20 hits to kill a 3000 life sorceress, something is very, very wrong. Even with 50% PDR, that would mean you had a mere 1765 damage before any penalties. You should have about 3-4 times that.

Also, if you stay offensive, the OW won't be worth that much.

A lot of things have been tried versus bonemancers, including stuff like hitting the 63% FCR breakpoint, which seems to do the trick. Also, myself and at least morotsjos have tried/used Guillaume's Face versus bonemancers since Crushing Blow passes Bone Armor. With Goreriders, that would mean 50% crushing blow, which is quite a lot.

Personally, I find myself using Trangs more than Dracul's nowadays. The FCR difference is just so great. And Ravenfrosts are necessary in pubs for quite a few reasons:
The huge AR, only surpassed by Angelics
The cold absorb
The mana
The dexterity
It lets you use Highlord's

[Mythatic]

Doesn't Trang's glove boost poison damage that Grief's Ctc offers? I'd say I use trangs more than Draculs as well.

[Ce Olba]

Doesn't Trang's glove boost poison damage that Grief's Ctc offers? I'd say I use trangs more than Draculs as well.

It sure as hell does. And with the bug on it, it applies twice.