Has anyone lately realized...

[Metalshredderr]

More and more xpac players coming over to classic? Or is it just me?
I have met atleast 4 this week, who say they are tired of xpac blablabla, and more lately then before.

Could classic be getting more famous:shocked:

[CdMagicFind]

LoD is getting more dupe pwned. Funny, though, I don't think Classic is any better because of the A5 haxor.

So maybe they just are getting tired of LoD? O.o

[DevilSlaya]

Classic is still a challlenge compared to LoD. In LoD its like...+50 skill hammerdin...he cant kill baal in a full game in less than 20 secs...what a nOOb...
In Classic, there are so many unique builds...ur always searching for better equip , as rares are the no1 sought for item class.

[CdMagicFind]

It's official, though. People who play classic know less about LoD than LoD people do about Classic. At least LoD players don't act like they "know classic". Geez.

+10 is about the average for a starting character. Why would he be alone in a full game? And it still takes longer than that to solo baal generally in a full game. Blah, etc.

You act like people just stop looking for things in LoD.. Rares are better than uniques for a lot of things in LoD, too. And people still use sets/uniques in Classic.

Oh, and this just has to be said, a lot. LoD has a lot. lot. lot. lot. lot. more viable builds than Classic ever will.

[tdlofcc]

It's official, though. People who play classic know less about LoD than LoD people do about Classic. At least LoD players don't act like they "know classic". Geez.

+10 is about the average for a starting character. Why would he be alone in a full game? And it still takes longer than that to solo baal generally in a full game. Blah, etc.

You act like people just stop looking for things in LoD.. Rares are better than uniques for a lot of things in LoD, too. And people still use sets/uniques in Classic.

Oh, and this just has to be said, a lot. LoD has a lot. lot. lot. lot. lot. more viable builds than Classic ever will.

Then how come I see alot of LoD ppl post in here :P
Anyway ... If you see one LoD char, you've have seen them all.

I HAVE played LoD ... and everyone is wearing the same sets/uniques PERIOD !

The more viable builds is BECAUSE of those ridiculous +20 skills they can get.

And ... I have also seen at least 3 people who came back from LoD and 2 from WoW ... Diablo 2 just ownz all :P

[squiggle]

Yeh it does seem like a few people coming back to classic including me.

I guess people are looking for something different, I originally wanted to come back to Classic for the lld scene. With no charms it seems alot more fun.

Then a mate of mine started a classic char on hc so i decided to start there. And going to make some lld chars soon :D Hopefully i will be able to find someone to duel on hc :P

( OT: I know alot of you have tried Lod not liked it and come back to classic then, But for those who havent and are those crazy "lod sucks and is easy" who haven't actually played it and only going on what people who don't like it say. Try lod and play untwinked with a melee sorc or a summon druid. ) Random

[goomba]

melee sorc? wtf? :confused:

[squiggle]

melee sorc? wtf? :confused:

If untwinked this would be a chanter :D

[Palm]

If LoD was legit, if only one in thousands of players had a zod, if you take away the bots, dupes and what have you; then it would be interesting (though classic has its own merits). But when the game has insanely powerful items and they are available to everyone (it seems) it totally ruins it, no? Theres no bots in classic (maybe one in a million), no dupes anymore, no overpowered items. Theres alot of other things I like about classic (and some I don't like (needs more viable builds but thats fault of the 1.10 patch which was made for LoD without any thought to classic)) but I wont go into that, just this one thing is totally ruins LoD for me.

Now theres this friggin act5 hack but even if all those jackasses that use it dont get converted to LoD sooner or later what does that give them in terms of equip? A socket you can get legit anyway, xcept or uniques which dont matter much (bsnap with skull, ward with diamond? - its a dead give away anyway). 38 life on armor, 19 all res on shield - compare that to what cheaters get in LoD its comical.

[squiggle]

Yes i know what you mean.

I'm just saying that you can get some very high end items on Lod atm fairly easily. But people choose wether to use these or not. Btw i love classic and miss my old Bsnap mfer :D

End of ot :P

[Palm]

I understand what CdMagicFind is saying though. I think there is some elitism in classic players (we are the pro's and others are "LoD noobs"). I'm sure thats not true and theres alot of very experience LoD players but definately alteast in HCC you do get the feel that everyone is experienced. I don't remember 1 new player who did not know what he was doing or made a bad trade with me in, I dunno I think 3-4 years, playing HCC on and off.

[Turtleism]

After playing classic for some time i did atleast have a shot at playing lod, but when i saw a ww barb with tele completely destroy my shocker like it was just a norm fallen, i realised it wasnt for me O.o hahah

And yes its tru, most classic players are very ignorant when it comes to lod, but thats half the fun of it ^.^

[goomba]

After playing classic for some time i did atleast have a shot at playing lod, but when i saw a ww barb with tele completely destroy my shocker like it was just a norm fallen, i realised it wasnt for me O.o hahah

And yes its tru, most classic players are very ignorant when it comes to lod, but thats half the fun of it ^.^

I make no pretenses that I'm completely ignorant of/to LOD. I have never acquired it, or installed it.

That being said, from what I have seen, those returning to classic are equally ignorant in their assumptions of what gear to acquire and which builds to use, and my favorite, the offering of the forge for a hell rush :grin: :laugh: :grin: :rolleyes:

[DoesItSuitYou]

lolz, i went out like idk, 3 months ago and bought LOD thinking it would be sick, but when i installed it... i decided it sucked :( lol. all the items are like super powerful and it seemed... not right, because having something good and special didn't seem special anymore, becuase there was always something better. so i unintalled lol. also all my friends were on classic, so im over LOD

[Fearlessone]

It's official, though......Oh, and this just has to be said, a lot. LoD has a lot. lot. lot. lot. lot. more viable builds than Classic ever will.

It is a fact that after major disruptions in this game, always initiated in LoD, that people either quit the game, permanently or temporarily, join private playing groups, or come back to classic. This happened after a couple duping sprees in early 2002, less than a year after LoD came out. We had a windfall of LoD people, angry about the dupes, and bored with the state of runs. (This was before the bots, btw. I didn't notice a big surge during their heyday). But these LoD dropouts brought their bad habits with them: super fast runs, the need to use maphacks to see other people items, etc.. LoD has soooo many more items that it is a fact that people who prefer LoD are more item-oriented, even obsessed, over classic users.

More Viable Builds in LoD: true. But thats largely because of Blizzards utter failure to configure and test the 1.10 patch in late 2003 for fairness to classic. Many classic builds were ruined in that patch, most of my characters, unnecessarily. If Blizzard had done it right, then classic would have more of those builds that the synergies opened up. Also, some aspects of classic were broken and weren't fixed: rare throwing weapons for thrower barbs, mercs, and carrying minions to other acts, just to name a few. And finally, LoD does provide a number of items that open up possibilities for some builds: excessive +skills items, cross-character skills on items, 2 new characters, are the main reasons. Act5 does nothing to expand possible builds. Half the action in that act is Meteor in the Throneroom.

More means less. More overall builds, but fewer viable pvp builds. Not an enigma wind druid or hammerdin or trapasin? Well, forget it. At least classic has a decent pvp culture and LLD too.

[CdMagicFind]

Uh, not really. Most of the community is on LoD, so you can't say they all "went to classic".

Item obsessive? It's elitism. Not obsession. Unless you consider that obsession. Items help more than building characters, most of the time, and stay when you decide to remake or anything.

Yeah, I guess. But that was my point. Oh, and meteor in Throne = nub...

...This one was just WAY too off. Way, way, way, too off. There are.. so many more PvP builds in LoD that it's ridiculous..

[Turtleism]

And the worst part about LoD, u can have a lvl90+ char and still suck :)

[CdMagicFind]

It's not like you can't be level 90 in classic and still suck. The levels don't correspond, though. Level 90 in LoD is level 70-80 classic, but still. Level doesn't matter, it's just an estimate.

[WarlockCC]

I usually compare level 90 in classic to level 99 in LoD, since it takes about the same dedication to get to those levels.
Part of that is offcourse the larger player base, which means more end boss runs and thus easier to get more xp runs. But the amount of XP attained in act 5 also helps.

[Turtleism]

Meaning expac got it easy for lvls, and gear, and skills, and stats, and everything under the blizzard sun.

Makes classic sounds so much like a challange when u think about it, u could goto expac where u can get all these pretty things, or u could goto classic and have nothing for a very long time... unless u meet me on one of my many sympathy to noob days

[PhatTrumpet]

I don't quite understand the argument that overpowered (duped) LoD items are too easy to get. Who exactly forced you to trade for those dupewords and botted items? Why can't you just not trade for such items and find your own stuff. The stuff you find on your own is generally not going to be overpowered in relation to the ramped-up monster difficulty, etc.

That being said, I too am coming from LoD to Classic for a bit, mostly due to the frustration of no ladder reset, partly due to the unfortunate computer-related demise of my main character.

[Palm]

PhatTrumpet if you don't care what's happening around you you might as well play single player no? Whats the fun of playing a multiplayer game if its not competetive? If everyone is running around with enigma, will you have fun playing legit? I wouldn't.

[PhatTrumpet]

I do have fun playing legit, thanks. I'm not into ladder running and I'm not into competitive PvP (is there even such a thing on Hardcore?). I do dabble a bit in LLD, but not too seriously.

I'm not sure why fun = competitive in your mind. There's the social aspect (not available on single player), the sense of accomplishment when you build a character well without cheating... the list goes on. I doubt it'd be called co-op play if you were constantly supposed to be competing with everyone else in your party. Is that what you do? Because that doesn't sound like much fun to me. If I want to be competitive I'll boot up Counter Strike: Source and shoot some people in the face...

[Corn]

Well just my two cents, and this is something I talked with Socialism about in private as well. I as well noticed a huge influx of players into classic, and 9/10 of them have been the usual "I dupe, I hack, I'm the ****" type of players. Like last week, a javazon from xpac thought he was the **** for being able to kill Light Immunes. He dont got Valk, he don't got jab, no poison skills, so I ask how. He goes "JAB HACK NEWB." Then I ask where they are from, answer is either xpac or East classic. See what I'm saying though, his line of thought of how the game should be played is not even on the same lvl as the way I play.

Now, I'm not saying all xpac or all East players are a-holes, because I understand there are a-hole players on all realms. I'm simply pointing out the trend I noticed. Having played hc classic for years, I have never been PK'ed, and there have never ever been a tppk attempt on me until a few weeks ago from an East player. And if you have played Hc classic on any realm, you understand what I say when I say there aren't many public games up. So yea, word spreads quickly among the small, and tight community.

One thing always ends up happening as the weeks pass. The accounts that attempt to tppk in public games quickly get blacklisted among the community. When they enter a game, all public games die out and go private, forcing the tppker's to play alone or make new accounts. And that has been the case. One guy already has a list of over 5 accounts and it's just hilarious how he comes into games, hostiles, everyone laughs at him, then he tries to befriend us due to boredom from playing alone.

And the thing is, it's the type of players that aren't good at all. You know the type, javazon talkin hard wearing Sigons set lol, but you know hes using chicken, and farcast up the ***. They talk smack bout their tppk skills but can't back up anything in a fair duel.

That don't affect me. I don't play with dupers, hackers, tppker's, cheaters, and itam whores. If you don't either, look me up if you play Hc classic West :)

P.S. If you even used that act 5 hack, don't bother, you are trash. :afro:

[Corn]

And the worst part about LoD, u can have a lvl90+ char and still suck :)

QUUUUEEEE EEFFFF TEEEEE!!!!


Lol. Ok he just summed it up right there. And i ain't about to quote all you bastards, so I wanted to say, Cdmagicfind you got a point too, lvls don't always correspond to skill. Phattrumpet, good point too, if you are legit player stay legit, I agree.

I played D2 on release, played LOD on release, got bored, played a mod of LoD, got bored, back to classic, home sweet home. Now I'm not saying I'm pro LOD, because it has been quite a while since I have been in the loop. But I will say that in the end game scheme of things, LOD is way easier than classic, gameplay wise and item finding wise. However, I also wanted to add that to start off completely untwinked, LOD is harder than classic.

[Palm]

I do have fun playing legit, thanks. I'm not into ladder running and I'm not into competitive PvP (is there even such a thing on Hardcore?). I do dabble a bit in LLD, but not too seriously.

I'm not sure why fun = competitive in your mind. There's the social aspect (not available on single player), the sense of accomplishment when you build a character well without cheating... the list goes on. I doubt it'd be called co-op play if you were constantly supposed to be competing with everyone else in your party. Is that what you do? Because that doesn't sound like much fun to me. If I want to be competitive I'll boot up Counter Strike: Source and shoot some people in the face...Sure its mostly competetive. The people on your f list, those are the ones that cooperating with you, the people at large pit their efforts AGAINST yours not with them. Sure we kill monster together in public games but if that item drops its a competition not a joint effort. And if the **** turns ugly and the hostile buttons are pressed, hardcore or no, there will be the weak and there will be the strong.

I guess its the same type of mentality I see on the hardcore forum all the time: "oh TPPK don't bother me, I only play in private games". Me, I like to play the public scene, the public games, compete in the ladder or for items, meet new people, make some friends here some enemies there. Another reason I started playing classic was because TPPK is not effective enough at high levels to impact the hardcore public scene in the same way it does in LoD.

P.S: I shoot people in the face too. :p

[Fearlessone]

Well just my two cents, and this is something I talked with Socialism about in private as well. I as well noticed a huge influx of players into classic, and 9/10 of them have been the usual "I dupe, I hack, I'm the ****" type of players.

Some of these guys have lost their accts from hacking or banning and when the decision came to start over, they switched realms. I too am having a severe problem all of a sudden on USWest, an East player came over and entered one of my walks (East doesnt have walks, they are here on USWest cuz I've been relentlessly promoting them for 3 years, despite all attempts to shut them down or change them into regular cs runs) and tried to make it into a sora-type run. She got huffy when criticized and finally I banned her for a few days.

You don't go to Rome and tell the Romans how to act. You don't go to bootcamp and tell the Drill Sergeant "Hey you, I don't like the way your're doing things around here!" Too bad softcore doesnt have the tight community that HC has, but I try to broadcast that someone is no good for the realm, whether they are from East, LoD, a Returned, or came out of thin air.

I mentioned earlier in this thread about how the people in these sudden influxes try to change things to the scuzzy way they are done whence they came. Some might bring legit, game enhancing discoveries, but more likely they will affect the realm they switched to by bringing the hacks that Corn is talking about, or 'cheap' ways of doing the runs.

A lightning javazon can kill lightning immunes indeed with jab, its a physical dmg skill. Works better if you give the zon enchant. If the zon has lvl=1 jab, then its suspicious, can that be done?

[Creon]

I've always played on East and never knew West has walks. This fact alone tempts me to try West. Similar to what you say, I will sometimes see games named "West pwnz east" in the game list, inevitably with some FC Amazon or hacking level 8x Paladin trying to get people to duel. These must be the people forced out of West for generally being annoying.

[Fearlessone]

Yeah, we have our share of East pwnz West games too. On this particular forum East outnumbers West by a 2-1 or more margin. Even Europe is close to outnumbering us over on West, which is embarrassing cuz they have their own language-specific websites. This was pretty evident before the changes here where the realm played was listed under the avatar. Who cares where u live...who needs to know that its 11 1/2 hours to drive to your location? I put my location: USWestSC to tell exactly where I play (assume Classic too :brainiac:).

We constantly hear that most people who switch to East like it better. Maybe the grass just seems greener in new places. I know of 2 major USWest classic players who went to East and were mightily impressed on how organized the cs runs were, with everyone knowing their task, lowest levels 'uping' in 8 player games at Diablo, departy or pk exp shrine takers, stompers at Infector seal, etc... They came back bragging about how great East was. Then suddenly they came back to West, were welcomed with open arms in the walk channel and games. They said it became too stratified and boring, not enough variation, people didnt talk to them much, etc... Since, they have found other games to play: their time with Diablo was clearly coming to an end.

Walks on USWest: I should post about this soon. At one point this summer, walks outnumbered sora(tele) type cs runs. This was hard to believe, given how difficult its been to fight the tide. If u want walks on your realm, u have to start making them and enforce that they are walks, and warn then departy/pk those crackbrains who try to take over...its that simple, its just not ez.