Y not Famine for ww barb

[shmitzer]

iv been reading the posts on making a bvb barb and a lot of them suggest using either grief or botd with ss as shield.
famine seems to out do grief in most ways,
grief only adds 340-400 damage, possible 10% more ias and -25% enemy armor.
where as famine adds 80-200 Magic Damage, 50-200 Fire Damage, 51-250 Lightning Damage, and 50-200 Cold Damage, this adds up to 231-850 elemental and magic damage.
To me it only makes sense that 231-850 elemental/magic damage AND 320-370% damage is a MUCH BETTER option than a measly 340-400 damage.
u have the chance of loosing 10% ias which im sure wouldnt be hard to make up with either charms or neck.
Even with deadly strike procing with grief it would barely make the elemental/magic damage done with every hit from famine.
there are only a few other mods for both grief and famine and even in these it seems that famine is more useful.

grief :
35% Chance To Cast Level 15 Venom On Striking
+1.875-185.625% Damage To Demons
Adds 5-30 Fire Damage
-20-25% To Enemy Poison Resistance
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
+10-15 Life After Each Kill

famine:
12% Life Stolen Per Hit
+10 To Strength

venom only adds 100-300 damage (estimating no maths could b rong) which still is not as good as famine, adds damage to daemon which is useless in BvB some real crap fire damage, the mana and life per kill is useless when going 1v1 BvB so again a useless mod. where as famine 12% life steal is good at all stages BvB/BvC/BvM and 10 to str is better than no 10 to str :angry:

if i have missed something in my analysis of both runewords please tell me this is y i wrote the post :laugh:

[Kijya]

The +dmg gets added to the base weapon dmg, then multiplied by all sources of ed (forti, str/dex, skill ...), the elemental damage gets added to your final damage straight (unless you've got a source of passive elemental mastery (facets etc)).
Btw venom doesn't have such a large dmg span (I'd count it as around 300poison dmg straight).
ds works on final damage to so that % is lots more then just a % added to the +dmg on grief when it procs.
ias cannot be gotten from charms.
ias from anything but the weapon doesn't matter for ww.I'm not a barb expert so I'll leave it at those small coments. :azn:

[shmitzer]

even with the total damage procing 2x grief damage is still less than a normal attack from famine, the poison damage still is very low, so the only negative thing bout the famine is the 4% ias its missing?

[Kijya]

even with the total damage procing 2x grief damage is still less than a normal attack from famine, the poison damage still is very low, so the only negative thing bout the famine is the 4% ias its missing?
oke now I've read a bit. The lowest greif beats the highest botd in terms of pure avrage damage, it also has a tighter damage span.

famine cannot be made in etheral since there is no indestruct mod on it = 50% lower base weapon damage.

so 50% lower base + less ed then on botd...

grief can hit around 8k ww I've heard. botd about the same but less avrage and less tight dmg span.

50% less base weapon dmg = about 50% less finnal physical damage so now you get a 5kish ww at best, add some elemental you get maybe 6k, now think that those last are elemental and can easily be resisted by 25% more then the physical part....

Anyway I'd think Famine cannot keep up. Maybe on a build that doesn't have lots of ed and if made in eth despite that it sooner or later will brake.



Not sure about my data but anyway, I'm no expert, better wait for others opinions.

[nex]

To me it only makes sense that 231-850 elemental/magic damage AND 320-370% damage is a MUCH BETTER option than a measly 340-400 damage.
u have the chance of loosing 10% ias which im sure wouldnt be hard to make up with either charms or neck.

even with the total damage procing 2x grief damage is still less than a normal attack from famine

No, no and no. Grief will do alot more dmg than Famine beacuse a) 340-400 gets multipled by your skills, b) Grief will swing at 4 fpa which means alot more hits than Famine's 6 fpa and c)elemental dmg can be resisted & sorbed.

BTW life leech is useless because it doesn't work in PvP.

Grief is THE WEAPON for BvC & BvB... and while there are some other weapons that can work if you are on really tight budget (though alot worse than Grief) Famine is not one of them. Death, Last Wish and Famine should never even be considered for PvP barb. Not hiting last ww breakpoint is bad idea even if your weapon does tons of dmg... and Famine's dmg is quite crappy actually.

[shmitzer]

tyvm for ur advice i have both a grief and a famine ettin axes (i cbf getting zerkers 2 much effort) but now i no some more facts bout it i can make a better decision

[nex]

tyvm for ur advice i have both a grief and a famine ettin axes (i cbf getting zerkers 2 much effort) but now i no some more facts bout it i can make a better decision

Grief Ettin axe is too slow for WW. You should really get BA.

[PhatTrumpet]

Grief Ettin axe is too slow for WW. You should really get BA.
... with at least 34%IAS of course.