WW Help

[Rezefty]

I'm having trouble deciding what ww-build too use, and quite frankly there is like only one guide.

Any help is appriciated. Like what items too use aswell, etc.

[Austere]

PVM or PVP?

Any build can do PVM.

In PVP there are quite a few builds and no single build can successfully beat all other classes. That is why we seperate the PVP barb classes into BVB, BVA, and BVC.

BVB
Barbarian vs Barbarian
This build focuses on getting lots of life, AR, and block rating. Because blocking is essential in a bvb fight.
The skill setup is as follows.
-20 Whirlwind
-20 Battle Orders
-20 Weapon Mastery
-20 Shout
-20 Iron Skin
The weakness in the bvb is that it doesn't have a high level leap. So the bvb can be pwned by ranged units.

The next build is BVA
Barbarian vs Amazon
This barb is actually able to pvp against all classes. The BVA does invest into dex in order to get the high blocking. The BVA does almost everything the BVB does while building, except that the skill build is slightly different.
-20 Whirlwind
-20 Battle Orders
-20 Weapon Mastery
-20 Shout
-20 Leap
The BVA maxes Leap instead of Iron Skin. The reason is, leap has a knockback radius. The knockback puts enemies into double hit recovery. This gives you time to teleport ontop of them and whirl them. A high level leap has a huge radius. This allows you to catch those ranged enemies. The downside is that the BVA sacrifices defense, to get the leap. So it is not well suited when fighting BVB barbs, but the BVA can fight any other kind of barb. As well as, any other class.

The last in the line of PVP whirlers is the BVC barb
Barbarian Vs Caster
This barb is specifically built to fight caster units, and not usually directed towards fighting other melee units. The skill setup is the same as the BVA.
-20 Whirlwind
-20 Battle Orders
-20 Weapon Mastery
-20 Shout
-20 Leap
The BVC does not invest into Dex to get the high block, as blocking is useless when fighting casters. Instead, the BVC spends those stat points into boosting his VIT. This barb doesn't invest highly into defense. He instead looks for gear to boost his life and resistences. For this reason, he may spend a few extra skill points into his Natural Resistence skill.

As for PVM
This barb can be a duel-wielder, two-hander, shield user, or whatever. PVM is easy, except I don't think whirlers can do Ubers. Most people enjoy a two-handed poleaxe for their PVM whirler, and who could blame them?

I guess as far as armor would go:
-eth arreat or guillmace for BVB and BVA
-eth arreat for BVC
-fort or duress for BVB and BVA
-enigma for BVA and BVC
-draculs
-verdungo
-gore
-angelic combo for BVB and BVA
-Highlords and raven frosts for BVA and BVC
You'll notice I typed BVA next to multiple items that can't be equipped at the same time. This is because the BVA will be switch gear depending on who he is fighting. It is kind of known that the BVA keeps a lot of gear in his stash in order to switch depending on who he is fighting.

PVM can use any combination of those items for armor.

As for weapons:
-Grief + Stormshield when fighting other whirlbarbs
-Grief + Beast on everyone else when using axes
-Grief + Grief on everyone else when using swords
These combinations will provide the best outputs of damage while on ladder
If not on ladder, just replace grief with ebotd

use ebotd poleaxe or ghost spear on PVM
Two-handed items do a little less damage, but are fun and have long range. So it is okay to use them in PVM.

If there are any other good two-handed items to use in PVM out there, that I don't know about, feel free to bring them up, someone.

Edit: I guess the only thing I left out was charms. And a barb really only goes after charms that give plus to life, AR, and resists, depending on what he needs.

[Rezefty]

Not skill charms?

Just too clarify, this is PVM. I would like the option of doing pvp with this one, but like 90% pvm and 10% pvp for very rare occasions.. bah, screw it. Pure PvM :smiley:

Edit:

So this build would work?


Max Whirlwind
Max Weapon Mastery
Max Battle Orders
Max Shout
Rest into iron skin.

b. ADD-ONS:

Berserk -1
Natural resists -1
Battle commands -1
Howl,Taunt,Battle cry & Warcry -1

b. PRE-REQS:

Leap attack-1
Leap-1
Bash-1
Stun-1
Concentrate-1

And as weapon BotD in collosus voulge or ghost spear?

would like too know the other gear i should use for pvm aswell.

And i'd like too do a more dmg barb then survivability, but still not die too easy, dont want it too be uberhard or anything. Any tip is welcome :)

[Ce Olba]

Austere: Please, oh please. Do find some actually popular stats setups before giving them to people. Not to mention the fact that BvA does not stand for Barbarian versus Amazon, it's Barbarian versus All.

As for a PvM WW barb, almost anything goes. 20 Whirlwind, 20 Mastery, 20 Battle Orders, 20 Shout, Rest to whatever you want, for example stuff like Nat Res, Increased Speed, Iron Skin, Double Swing, whatever.

[Rezefty]

Okey im still wondering about the stat points. What would you say i would use?

in Str, vita.

Like 270 str 220 vita?

[stephan]

Normally strength for gear, and rest vita. Instead of going for a boring BotD try to be original and go for an upped shaeled Ribcracker or (eth) Hone Sundan. :smiley:

[Rezefty]

ya well i really want too hit hard.. dunno if strength helps that much.

[Ce Olba]

ya well i really want too hit hard.. dunno if strength helps that much.

Extra Strength is pretty useless, since your damage multiplier should already come close to 6, making 1 STR worth an increase of 0.17%. And yes, that's very low.

So, get enough STR for gear, dex enough for gear, rest vitality.

[Rezefty]

Okey, thanks alot. Time to level :D

[Silent Shaddow]

Not to mention the fact that BvA does not stand for Barbarian versus Amazon, it's Barbarian versus All.

how I laughed when i read that, i think thats sig worthy :laugh:

[Ce Olba]

how I laughed when i read that, i think thats sig worthy :laugh:

A good or a bad laugh?

Well, for a moment there, I was like "Can this guy be serious? Or does he really think so?"

[Silent Shaddow]

:flip:<--- that kind of laugh, not really at anybody just funny really... like meaning to say amazing but saying amazon instead :flip:

[Austere]

Okay, look I don't have many posts, I am just a novice at this game. BVA = barb vs all. But, was there anything else wrong with my post? Ce Olba said that my stat setup was wrong. But, I didn't give any stat setups. The closest thing I said was that BVB and BVA invest into dex to get high blocking. If anyone would actually pay attention to this post and answer me, I would appreciate it.

[Austere]

Okay, I usually don't go into that much detail, because I like to keep my posts as short as possible. But since some people thought my first post was a joke, I've decided to make a few edits.PVM or PVP?

Any build can do PVM.

In PVP there are quite a few builds and no single build can successfully beat all other classes. That is why we seperate the PVP barb classes into BVB, BVA, and BVC.

BVB
Barbarian vs Barbarian
This build focuses on getting lots of life, AR, and block rating. Because blocking is essential in a bvb fight.
The skill setup is as follows.
-20 Whirlwind
-20 Battle Orders
-20 Weapon Mastery
-20 Shout
-rest into Iron Skin
The weakness in the bvb is that it doesn't have a high level leap. So the bvb can be pwned by ranged units.

The next build is BVA
Barbarian vs All
This barb is actually able to pvp against all classes. The BVA does invest into dex in order to get the high blocking. The BVA does almost everything the BVB does while building, except that the skill build is slightly different.
-20 Whirlwind
-20 Battle Orders
-20 Weapon Mastery
-14-20 Leap
-rest into Shout
The BVA maxes Leap instead of Iron Skin. The reason is, leap has a knockback radius. The knockback puts enemies into double hit recovery. This gives you time to teleport ontop of them and whirl them. A high level leap has a huge radius. This allows you to catch those ranged enemies. The downside is that the BVA sacrifices defense, to get the leap. So it is not well suited when fighting BVB barbs, but the BVA can fight any other kind of barb. As well as, any other class. 20 into leap is what I would suggest, but you can get away with 14.

The last in the line of PVP whirlers is the BVC barb
Barbarian Vs Caster
This barb is specifically built to fight caster units, and not usually directed towards fighting other melee units. The skill setup is the same as the BVA.
-20 Whirlwind
-20 Battle Orders
-20 Weapon Mastery
-14-20 Leap
-rest into Shout
The BVC does not invest into Dex to get the high block, as blocking is useless when fighting casters. Instead, the BVC spends those stat points into boosting his VIT. This barb doesn't invest highly into defense. He instead looks for gear to boost his life and resistences. For this reason, he may spend a few extra skill points into his Natural Resistence skill. Some people like to put multiple points into increased speed, but many people agree that it is not necessary.

As for PVM
This barb can be a duel-wielder, two-hander, shield user, or whatever. PVM is easy, except I don't think whirlers can do Ubers. Most people enjoy a two-handed poleaxe for their PVM whirler, and who could blame them?

I guess as far as armor would go:
-eth arreat or guillmace for BVB and BVA
-eth arreat for BVC
-fort or duress for BVB and BVA
-enigma for BVA and BVC
-draculs
-verdungo
-gore
-angelic combo for BVB and BVA
-Highlords and raven frosts for BVA and BVC
You'll notice I typed BVA next to multiple items that can't be equipped at the same time. This is because the BVA will be switch gear depending on who he is fighting. It is kind of known that the BVA keeps a lot of gear in his stash in order to switch depending on who he is fighting.

PVM can use any combination of those items for armor.

As for weapons:
-Grief + Stormshield when fighting other whirlbarbs
-Grief + Beast on everyone else when using axes
-Grief + Grief on everyone else when using swords
These combinations will provide the best outputs of damage while on ladder
If not on ladder, just replace grief with ebotd

use ebotd poleaxe or ghost spear on PVM
Two-handed items do a little less damage, but are fun and have long range. So it is okay to use them in PVM.

If there are any other good two-handed items to use in PVM out there, that I don't know about, feel free to bring them up, someone.

Edit: I guess the only thing I left out was charms. And a barb really only goes after charms that give plus to life, AR, and resists, depending on what he needs.Now if there is anything wrong with that, feel free to speak up.

[Ce Olba]

Okay, look I don't have many posts, I am just a novice at this game. BVA = barb vs all. But, was there anything else wrong with my post? Ce Olba said that my stat setup was wrong. But, I didn't give any stat setups. The closest thing I said was that BVB and BVA invest into dex to get high blocking. If anyone would actually pay attention to this post and answer me, I would appreciate it.

Of course I meant skills. Your BvA is screwed. Even at lvl 99, it could never have 1 pt in nat res and increased speed with your skills setups. And that's not BvAish. Nat Res and Increased Speed should have at least a couple of points.

However, even with a plain 3 in both with 20 Leap, you are looking at lvl 15 shout at lvl 99. That's why you go with 14 Leap, allows you to have 15 Shout at lvl 93, meaning lvl 20 at 98. The last point should go into Natural Resistances.

So, the actual skills setup would be more like this:
20 Whirlwind
20 Axe Mastery
20 Battle Orders
20 Shout
14 Leap
3 Increased Speed
4 Natural Resistances
1 Berserk
1 Battle Command

Which is quite a lot different from the plain setup you offered. Actually, your skills setup is simply put a BvB with 20 Leap instead of Iron Skin.

-eth arreat for BVC

Wrong. BvCs use CoA or regular Arreat's socketed with ed/ias jewel.

-fort or duress for BVB and BVA
-enigma for BVA and BVC

Wrong. BvCs use Fortitude or Duress as well.

-verdungo
-gore

Wrong. Both BvA and BvC should use Arachnid's and triple resistance boots as their main choice of boots and belt.

And why did you not mention Hsarus?

-angelic combo for BVB and BVA
-Highlords and raven frosts for BVA and BVC

Wrong, BvCs also use Angelics. Also, you totally forgot FCR and stack rings.

As for weapons:
-Grief + Stormshield when fighting other whirlbarbs
-Grief + Beast on everyone else when using axes
-Grief + Grief on everyone else when using swords

Any half-assed PvP barbarian will never even consider using Swords.

These combinations will provide the best outputs of damage while on ladder
If not on ladder, just replace grief with ebotd

Wrong. If you cannot afford a Grief on non-ladder, you cannot afford most of the other BvC/BvB/BvA gear, specially not the charms, so you shouldn't then make one. Grief is one of the most if not the most essential pieces of gear on both BvC, BvB and BvA.

Also, you are wrong about the stats: BvCs do have points to dexterity and STR. Now to mention the opponents: BvCs duel everything except BvBs. And they can duel those, but a 40 fcr teleport BvB will slaughter a BvC.

[Austere]

Of course I meant skills. Your BvA is screwed. Even at lvl 99, it could never have 1 pt in nat res and increased speed with your skills setups. And that's not BvAish. Nat Res and Increased Speed should have at least a couple of points.

However, even with a plain 3 in both with 20 Leap, you are looking at lvl 15 shout at lvl 99. That's why you go with 14 Leap, allows you to have 15 Shout at lvl 93, meaning lvl 20 at 98. The last point should go into Natural Resistances.

So, the actual skills setup would be more like this:
20 Whirlwind
20 Axe Mastery
20 Battle Orders
20 Shout
14 Leap
3 Increased Speed
4 Natural Resistances
1 Berserk
1 Battle Command

Which is quite a lot different from the plain setup you offered. Actually, your skills setup is simply put a BvB with 20 Leap instead of Iron Skin.It's not quite different. I did suggest putting multiple points into natural resist, in my original post. And in my recent post, I suggested putting multiple points into increased speed. The only thing I didn't suggest was putting points into the one point wonders, which I don't think I should have to, because I wasn't writing a guide. The last thing is that I didn't suggest putting one point into berserk, which sorry, I wasn't aware that they did that.

I see you edited your post and one thing confused me.

Also, you are wrong about the stats: BvCs do have points to dexterity and STR. Now to mention the opponents: BvCs duel everything except BvBs. And they can duel those, but a 40 fcr teleport BvB will slaughter a BvC.So bvc's do put points into dex for max block? and did I say that they don't put points into str? I tried as best I could, to help the original poster, it is hard to get people in these forums to comment on posts like these.

[Ce Olba]

It's not quite different. I did suggest putting multiple points into natural resist, in my original post. And in my recent post, I suggested putting multiple points into increased speed. The only thing I didn't suggest was putting points into the one point wonders, which I don't think I should have to, because I wasn't writing a guide. The last thing is that I didn't suggest putting one point into berserk, which sorry, I wasn't aware that they did that.

Of course they use Berserk. What else can you use against IM bonemancers/summoners?

And it is actually quite different. Putting 3/3 to both is much more balanced that 5/1 or 1/5. And balance is the key to a good PvP character.

Also, you should always mention the 1-pointers, there are people who actually go word by word with what you say, so if you don't, they won't put it there, end up with a ****ty PvP character and start flaming any and every BvC player.

So bvc's do put points into dex for max block?

No. They do it for Widowmaker (Dex req. of 117).

and did I say that they don't put points into str? I tried as best I could, to help the original poster, it is hard to get people in these forums to comment on posts like these.

You know, the quickest way to solve any problems like this is to just copy-paste some information.

[Austere]

I'm with ya on most of that, but are you assuming that I was telling him not to put points into str and dex to be able to wear his gear? Like I said before, I didn't give any suggestions on what to do with stats. And I certainly hope no one reads my post and thinks I am somehow indirectly telling them not to put points into dex and str.

Yeah, I could've gone into detail and mentioned items like Widowmaker, it does allow a BVA to kill a BVB. I was actually planning on mentioning widowmaker today, after I went to bed last night. That's when I thought of it.

Some pvp barbs do use swords, though. So I suggested what to use if you went with swords. Just as guides here suggest what to use if you go with swords. The guide gives a suggestion, because the writers know some people will use those items regardless and you might as well help them.

You tell me to copy and paste, but even the BVB guide here suggests using ebotd on nonladder. So even if I did copy and paste, I would've given faulty information, according to you.

[Rezefty]

Well, guys, i appriciate the help =)

Luckily im not going too do PvP with this one so dont have too worry about that.

Just want a hack&slash barb that i can do whatever with :)

[harconst]

How much dex should my barb have? ( bvc )
i figured i wont need any str , cause torch + enigma , but i dont know about dex yet. For now , i am going all vita. i plan to use one angelic + raven .

[Ce Olba]

How much dex should my barb have? ( bvc )
i figured i wont need any str , cause torch + enigma , but i dont know about dex yet. For now , i am going all vita. i plan to use one angelic + raven .

So you plan to never use Fortitude or Duress?

If so, you shouldn't bother with Widowmaker, as Duress and/or Fortitude are there to power it up and without them, Widowmaker is quite useless in most cases, unless you Um it. And if you Um it, you are looking at a base dex of 77, not worth it.

[harconst]

i dont plan to use widow :P . i am a pub level dueler ( at best ) since i am just starting pvp , so not many 1vs1 , i just need to survive , and kill those around me fast. Now , considering that i may face some paladins or assasins too , how much ar should i aim for?
thanks for help :D

edit: meaning , how much should i invest in dex? should i go full vita?

[Ce Olba]

i dont plan to use widow :P . i am a pub level dueler ( at best ) since i am just starting pvp , so not many 1vs1 , i just need to survive , and kill those around me fast. Now , considering that i may face some paladins or assasins too , how much ar should i aim for?
thanks for help :D

edit: meaning , how much should i invest in dex? should i go full vita?

Putting points to dexterity for AR is bad. You gain 5 ar per pt in dexterity, meaning 1.25 AR for 1 life, before multipliers. Not worth it.

With this, you should aim for high +dex and +ar from your ravens and some 400-650 AR from charms.

[harconst]

nice :) . i have some nice ar charms :D
so , all vita it is. i was hopping for this.
thanks for your help man.

[Rezefty]

Cant decide if i should use shield or dw a beast berserk axe and a botd berserk axe.

Any help is appriciated. I really want too focus on damage but i need too survive too, of course.

Maybe grief + ss?

Edit: nvm i make a thread for this instead.