Major WW/Trap Help Needed

[yelopen]

I will list my gear first and foremost.

Fury +3 LS
Chaos GT +3 LS/+1 DF
Enigma MP
2sin/15FCR amulet
31/13 Dungos
2/15 Shadow Dancers
10FCR/12STR/30mana ring
20Dex Raven
2sin/20fcr/20str/81mana/15ias/15res all Circlet

20/16 Torch
17/19/7 Anni
21,21,23,23,24,26,27,12FHR,12FHR Shadow GCs

I have many questions.

I have received various opinions about a Bramble switch. I asked Ollie the first time and he says it is useful at times. The next time I asked him, he said hybrids were better off without them? O_O I read thefrag's thread about sorbers and I saw that Bune and Isaac recommended a Bramble switch as well.

The Bramble switch will require major strength investment if used:

Chaos GT
Fool's Runic
GSkull w/ BerJah
Gores
Dungos
Raven
Angelic Ring
Angelic Ammy
Trang Glove

with 20 base strength, I hit 57 with Torch/Anni. Investing 22 points allows me to use Chaos (79). The +10 from Chaos hits 89. I would still need 26 more strength to use a Fool's Runic, or 15 more to use a GSkull.

with 20 base dex, I hit 57 with Torch/Anni. 10 from Angelic bonus, 20 from Raven gets me 87. That's all the help im getting there. I need 28 to use a Runic, or none to use a GT Fool's.


Furthermore, I have decided for my Chaos to be in a GT for low reqs and -30 WSM, but what about the primary Fury/Fool's? Ollie uses a Feral and Isaac uses dual GTs. You need 52ias for 9frame traps and 56 for 7/3 kicks with a Feral, and with Fury's 40 IAS + 15 from helm I only have 55. With GTs, I need 42 and 47 respectively. GTs take a lot longer to find also.

Should I really worry about the frames or no?

For Fool's, I see a nice 2LS/3DF/2BS/Fool's Runic for sale but the requirements are disastrous for a Bramble switch.


Also, is Jade Talon worth using for stack? I use it on my Ghostsin as I don't have max resist without it.


Lastly, what stash gear would be recommended?



Thanks.

[Bune]

The ONLY reason I can use a bramble switch is because I have tweaked my character _INCREDIBLY_...

The way I go about it is for the fact that what I built my character around is able to be switched, but not without switching something else. For example my main helm has no +str on it, and my main fcr ring is +13 str and my main ammy is maras. This is basically my caster killer setup and does not reach me even close to 50 dr.

In order to be able to get 50 dr and 65 fcr I have to switch out my ammy to a 2/19/11 dex ammy. This covers my Dex loss from maras, but now I lose 5 str which makes me unable to equip my claws. Now to counter that I have a 10 fcr +18 str ring switch that I toss on.

In order to equip bramble I have to now switch out my helm for one with +str. So instead of 2/20/res/2os helm i now have 2/20/19 str/res/1os helm. But because my main issue is not STR but Dex, in order to equip my runics (with greater talons I'm sure this would be different entirely) I have to use 2 ravens instead of one. But this now leaves me short on Str again so I have to toss on Treks for the +str.

So basically what I'm trying to say is I have to switch a lot around to be able to use it, but at no additional +stat point investment. It is HIGHLY unlikely most people will be able to do this as most will not have the flexibility with helms, ammys and the like, but if you can pull it off without heavy stat point investment it is very worthwhile. If you are sacrificing a lot for it, it isn't worth it because like Ollie said your life WILL suffer. (My ww/trap has 4.1k life w/o bramble, 3.8k with) If you were to invest heavily into being able to use bramble you'd be lucky to hit 3.8k on your main enigma setup, then bramble would be like 3.4k or less, which basically leaves you with the same dilemma you started with.....

Hopefully I explained that correctly..... I have a few beers in me :P

EDIT: After looking over your gear again, my character is using pretty close to perfect gear (It's not PERFECT, but its sexy) I HIGHLY recommend you do without the bramble switch, in fact I highly recommend you start out with a pure ghost so you can learn the mechanics of the wwsin first, then move onto a ww/trap....

[mephiztophelez]

in fact I highly recommend you start out with a pure ghost so you can learn the mechanics of the wwsin first, then move onto a ww/trap....
i vouch this advice.

[yelopen]

I play a pure Ghost atm Bune :/

Clarinet. Remember me :/


Isaac just recommended me to switch.

Anything on my other questions?

[Rabbitz]

All shadow gc's, I cringed =(

[Bune]

All shadow gc's are about 10,000x better then anything else on a pure ghost? what would you use.... a trap gc to add 40 dmg to your unsynergised 1-200 LS?

[thefrag]

All shadow gc's are about 10,000x better then anything else on a pure ghost? what would you use.... a trap gc to add 40 dmg to your unsynergised 1-200 LS?
well the thread is ww/trap help lol. I assume he has traps well built too, as a hybrid. I personally agree though and use mostly shadows (8 and 1 trap simply because I haven't found another shadow lifer yet) Either choice in gcs could work though, just depending on what you wanna use primarily. I personally keep 4-5 trap gcs extra in my stash as well because its nice to swap em on for baals, or for fights where melee might be a bit risky.

[Rabbitz]

Heh, Wierd, a ghost who uses traps for stunnage is called a ww//trapper now?

[Bune]

Yelopen just said he plays a pure ghost at the moment.

[Rabbitz]

I missed that part =)

[yelopen]

Well, I'm just saying I have a bit of experience handling WWsins, which is what you said I needed. I'm assuming you don't remember me but whatever :/

Now I just need answers to all of my questions O_O

[HappyAssassin]

I have received various opinions about a Bramble switch. I asked Ollie the first time and he says it is useful at times. The next time I asked him, he said hybrids were better off without them? O_O I read thefrag's thread about sorbers and I saw that Bune and Isaac recommended a Bramble switch as well.

I more I duel, the less value I see in Bramble on a WW/Trapper. My opinions do change over time. :tongue:

Should I really worry about the frames or no?

This I answered in the guide thread.

Also, is Jade Talon worth using for stack? I use it on my Ghostsin as I don't have max resist without it.

Jade is an awesome stack item, defidently have one. DONT use it in your main gear setup, you should have max res without it. If you don't, you have to make it up in charms.

Lastly, what stash gear would be recommended?

This is what I have in my stash:
Tgods
Arach
Maras
Wisp
2nd Raven
Dwarf Star
2Sin/7FCR/Life/Mana/Res Ammy
2Sin/10FCR/19STR/Life Ammy
Jade Talon
Fools Claw
Widowmaker
Hotspurs
Kiras

Other stash items I sometimes use (this is on a pure ghost now, so some don't apply). Some of these are just for fun, others are for very particular setups:

Stormshield
Bramble
Fortitude
Eth Fleshripper
Death's Web
Waterwalks
Angelics
OW/20STR/Life Belt

These aren't necessary, they just allow me to wear bramble/fort, or go pure kick, or have a nice switch when I widow.

[yelopen]

In which circumstances would you use your Maras/Spider/7FCRammy/10FCRammy?

[SicHalo]

In which circumstances would you use your Maras/Spider/7FCRammy/10FCRammy?

It depends i assume he uses mara more for res or res stack and vs certain opponments he will use the 7 fcr ammy if he is using a a fcr ring or something and 10fcr amu to eliminate the need to use a fcr ring also the possibility to hit another bp 105% i believe which is usefull vs bone necs.

I personally find bramble not necesary to be honnest i used to carry one on my old setup but in my new setup i have not even factored it in cuz i dont see much point, as it only really used vs barbs, smiters, possible prebuffs but even vs smiters you usally can win anyway a good barb will beat you regardless even worst if it absorbs so...

[Bune]

I do remember you don't worry :P I've been toying around with bramble on my ww/trap, it is 'somewhat' useful, nothing worth going out of your way for though,

[yelopen]

I do remember you don't worry :P I've been toying around with bramble on my ww/trap, it is 'somewhat' useful, nothing worth going out of your way for though,

Ok.

I've decided to go with a Fury Runic and a Chaos GT claw-wise.

[Bune]

Yea that's basically the way I'd personally go if I couldn't find 2 GT's (Which I can't.... not even 1 :( ) That'll save you some stat points on gear switches. Good call :D

[MysticDragon]

It depends i assume he uses mara more for res or res stack and vs certain opponments he will use the 7 fcr ammy if he is using a a fcr ring or something and 10fcr amu to eliminate the need to use a fcr ring also the possibility to hit another bp 105% i believe which is usefull vs bone necs.

I personally find bramble not necesary to be honnest i used to carry one on my old setup but in my new setup i have not even factored it in cuz i dont see much point, as it only really used vs barbs, smiters, possible prebuffs but even vs smiters you usally can win anyway a good barb will beat you regardless even worst if it absorbs so...

102% FCR is not possible C/C without 08 valk or Griffons.

[Bune]

20 belt
20 gloves
20 ammy
10 ring1
10 ring2
= 80 fcr.... only helm slot left and 22 fcr needed.... which like mystic said is only possible on .08 valk or griffons (just incase you were wondering how to achieve it)