View Full Version : I gambled a SoJ!
Gambled at hell gheed at clvl 82 - the odds of THAT happening are pretty low, right? I just "started over" on sp (all my old chars and stashes are in a .rar file now) and my ONLY character gambles a soj....
You're lucky!
I guess you deserve it for being a veteran though. :azn:
Lucky you
Though I managed to gamble Mara's (24) :wink3:
Lucky you
Though I managed to gamble Mara's (24) :wink3:
Same for me, 24 too:smiley:. To the OP: don't forget to pay SoJ tax:wink3:
I've gambled 2 metalgrids and a rising sun, but then again I used to gamble a LOT more amulets than rings. Having restarted my SPing, my (only) character isn't even lvl 83 yet, and was running hell andy for good odds of raven, soj or BK as well as some other basic hammerdin stuff. Weird thing is that just 20-30 gambles earlier I gambled a 50/15 nagelring...
I wasted 4 million on craps!!:shocked:
4 mill is about 30 minutes of playing with my goldfind barb, which ofcourse expired on me...
lookbehindyou
26-04-2007, 12:48
Gheeds gave me a mara 28 yesterday :-)
Hmmm...why are you guys so lucky. Am I missing something ?
lookbehindyou
26-04-2007, 12:57
Well I spent over 100.000.000 gold to get one, so patience is a part of it too. Other amulets I got were used for crafting or sold. A few are on my chars because they were nice :-)
I try to be at least lvl 93 before I switch from gambling rings to gambling amulets, since it's tiresome to go to ATMA and check if the amulets can be crafted at lower levels. When gambling amulets I'm not hoping for uniques at all, but rather rares with +2 class skills and 20-30 str - a third good affix here, and mara is pwnt.
lookbehindyou
26-04-2007, 13:15
Yeah I know :-) I'm just bragging about my luck.
Also my goal was not to get a mara's, I gamble other stuff too.
Calculated the odds for SoJ when all rings are available: 1:118000
However, at clvl 82 only 20% of the gambles would give an ilvl of 85+ which means Wisp Projector will not always be available, thus the odds will increase a little.
does it have to be clvl 82?
ive been gambling with my clvl 87 sorc, will that decrease the chance?
SoJs are qlvl 39, which means you need the result of the gamble to be at least ilvl 39. However, Ravens and Dwarfs are qlvl 50, so you don't want to be able to get ilvl 50 on your gambles. Best way to guarantee that is to be no higher than clvl 45. Then again, no lower than clvl 44 since that means you will sometimes get ilvl 38.
So the BEST chance (1:62000) is at clvl 44 or clvl 45.
At clvl 34 and lower, there is NO chance, and with clvls 46+ the chances will drop more and more, until reaching 1:118000 at clvl 90 (if I'm not mistaken about wisp's qlvl being 85)
icykirby
30-04-2007, 06:34
wait can u gamble for sojs and maras on us west....or where did u guys gamble these items?
can u gamble any item?
like a coa
krischan
30-04-2007, 10:02
So the BEST chance (1:62000) is at clvl 44 or clvl 45.
Ravenfrost and Dwarfstar have a qlvl of 53, so the best chance is at L44-48 :tongue:
Anyway, there are better ways to get a SoJ than gambling. A L44-48 character with Edge will need 2.635 billions of gold which are about 1000 gold loads.
sirwhere
30-04-2007, 20:47
Lucky you :) All I managed so far was a couple of nokozans and nagels. 15% nagels, by the way... lol.
CDRToast
02-05-2007, 21:34
Edge + Gheeds help a lot if you are gonna gamble... potentially a 30% reduction in costs. Then there is the sell back gold you get (average 2k each in my experience).
I wrote a spreadsheet to calc my ammy and ring gambling odds...
I wonder if i can copy it to Google spread sheets... people might find it useful, or find errors in my formulas ;)
In all... your odds are still junk, but congrats! you beat the odds ;)
after several billion gold...
Gheeds will not help SoJ gambling chances as it will require too high a level. Edge will work, tho.
thegiantturtle
02-05-2007, 22:42
A L44-48 character with Edge will need 2.635 billions of gold which are about 1000 gold loads.probability doesn't work like that. With that much gold, you have about a 62% chance of gambling at least 1 soj. There is no guarantee.
wait can u gamble for sojs and maras on us west....or where did u guys gamble these items?
can u gamble any item?
like a coaLadder, nonladder, and single player, it's all the same (with slightly different odds when ladder/single player-only uniques come into play).
If you can gamble the base type of the item, you can gamble the set/unique version of the item. Most class specific item types don't show up in the gamble screen, so none of those can be gambled. There are also a couple Exceptional and Elite items types that cannot be upgraded to, but I forget which they are.
probability doesn't work like that. With that much gold, you have about a 62% chance of gambling at least 1 soj. There is no guarantee.
Ladder, nonladder, and single player, it's all the same (with slightly different odds when ladder/single player-only uniques come into play).
If you can gamble the base type of the item, you can gamble the set/unique version of the item. Most class specific item types don't show up in the gamble screen, so none of those can be gambled. There are also a couple Exceptional and Elite items types that cannot be upgraded to, but I forget which they are.
Besides, at lvl 44-48 2.6 billion gold is way more than 1000 gold loads, as the ability to carry or store gold depends on clvl.
I thought this bug was fixed, but it was a problem with which items upgraded to what. In 1.09 when gambling war scythers, they would not upgrade to giant threshers, but to troll belts or something like that. I was under the impression that this was fixed when the ability to upgrade rares and uniques was introduced with patch 1.10 but I'm not sure.
krischan
03-05-2007, 10:28
Gheeds will not help SoJ gambling chances as it will require too high a level. Edge will work, tho.
A L44-48 character cannot wear Gheed's, its level req is somewhere in the 70s.
probability doesn't work like that. With that much gold, you have about a 62% chance of gambling at least 1 soj. There is no guarantee.
Yes, there is no guarantee, no matter how much gold you invest. I admit that I was a little imprecise. I meant that you will need an average of 2.635 billions of gold to gamble a SoJ with a L44-48 character while wearing an Edge bow.
Besides, at lvl 44-48 2.6 billion gold is way more than 1000 gold loads, as the ability to carry or store gold depends on clvl.
Yes, I was a little imprecise about that as well. I had gold loads for the typical gold find character in my mind who probably is somewhere between L80 and 90.
thegiantturtle
03-05-2007, 14:58
Yes, there is no guarantee, no matter how much gold you invest. I admit that I was a little imprecise. I meant that you will need an average of 2.635 billions of gold to gamble a SoJ with a L44-48 character while wearing an Edge bow.I believe average is still not right, but my more complex statistics are failing me now.
I thought this bug was fixed, but it was a problem with which items upgraded to what. In 1.09 when gambling war scythers, they would not upgrade to giant threshers, but to troll belts or something like that. I was under the impression that this was fixed when the ability to upgrade rares and uniques was introduced with patch 1.10 but I'm not sure.You might be right, but for some reason I'm thinking there are still 2 or 3 base item types that will not upgrade properly through gambling.
krischan
03-05-2007, 15:10
There is nothing complex about that kind of statistics :scratch:
There is a straight, constant chance that a L44-48 character gambles a SoJ, so the average number of tries is 1 divided by the chance. Multiply that with 42500 (50k minus 15% of that) and you have the average amount of gold a character with an Edge bow will need.
thegiantturtle
03-05-2007, 19:04
There is nothing complex about that kind of statistics :scratch:
There is a straight, constant chance that a L44-48 character gambles a SoJ, so the average number of tries is 1 divided by the chance. Multiply that with 42500 (50k minus 15% of that) and you have the average amount of gold a character with an Edge bow will need.Stupid averages. I normally know what I'm doing, but a I let the median chance throw off my understanding of the mean chance.
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