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[sexyfool]

I am in the process of making a rabies/fury druid based on stoutes guide. Max fury,lycan,rabies,poison creeper and singles pts in pre reqs.

Jalals/Cerebus
Mara's
Enigma
SS/ see below
Weapon switch Doom gpa
Dual ravens
Verdungo's
Upped Gores

Pre buff will be demons limb and then cta/spirit.

I read a guide on another forum which suggested the use of open wounds in conjunction with rabies as good pvp duelling focus. As my experience is almost entirely pvm I need some advice on this direction.

Either kingslayer (50%) or fury (66%) made in phase blades seem the best weapon options. Obviously there is a significant loss of conventional damage but coupled with gore riders (10%) or cerebus bite (33%) you can achieve very high ow.

What do you all think? Is the loss of damage outweighed by the value of open wounds?

Both weapons hit the 5 frame fury bp which means they both hit 6 frame rabies bp ??

Does ow have a cap or does 100% chance mean u get ow with every succesful strike?

Does the assasin skill venom, as produced by grief, interfere with rabies?

Newb druid questions now. Does feral rage have much use in pvp? Frw, ar and dmg all sound good but how practical is charging up when your getting bits hacked off you by some goon with a giant sword?

Is cta pre buff necessary if u pump oak sage and can recast it with +12 skills when using switch weapon?

Last thought. I have run the numbers through chippy dips calculator. Assuming +12 ss skills 1 pt in fury and 20 pts in ww give 680% ar vs 1 pt in ww and 20 in fury giving 581% ar for a loss of 273% ed. If ow is truly effective a case could be made for a 1 point fury build with the emphasis then on hitting the enemy and killing by ow and rabies alone. Or using high levels of deadly strike to provide the damage. Hmmmmm. Your comments please.:scratch:

[Liquid_Evil]

Although I'm not gonna brand myself "gosu" material, I'm gonna reply regardless :wink3:

Open wounds is indeed quite nice but I wouldn't specifically tailor your druid to maximize that. You'll hit 5 times with Fury and with a moderate amount (gores, Cerebus, and Drac's if you go that way) of OW% you'll have a very nice chance of triggering it. It lasts 8 seconds so there's no need for a huge amount because it doesn't stack with itself. (You can reset the timer but its always gonna bleed the opponents consistently) It is also not capped (100% like one would expect)

If you would rather just stock up on OW and change out the standard Fury dmg weapons for a kingslayer then you've just limited yourself to running away. I'd much rather have an attack to fall back on. Running reduces your blocking and defense. Feral Rage does have a few advantages in some duels, specically duels where you require lots of FRW to catch the opponents. Charging it up on necros bone walls (its still a darn poor matchup) can help you cover the ground to net a hit quicker. It's basically a caster catching tool and a 1 point wonder. CtA isn't necessary but its nice to have an extra thousand hit points to spare. Hope that helped...

[sexyfool]

Although I'm not gonna brand myself "gosu" material, I'm gonna reply regardless :wink3:

Open wounds is indeed quite nice but I wouldn't specifically tailor your druid to maximize that. You'll hit 5 times with Fury and with a moderate amount (gores, Cerebus, and Drac's if you go that way) of OW% you'll have a very nice chance of triggering it. It lasts 8 seconds so there's no need for a huge amount because it doesn't stack with itself. (You can reset the timer but its always gonna bleed the opponents consistently) It is also not capped (100% like one would expect)

If you would rather just stock up on OW and change out the standard Fury dmg weapons for a kingslayer then you've just limited yourself to running away. I'd much rather have an attack to fall back on. Running reduces your blocking and defense. Feral Rage does have a few advantages in some duels, specically duels where you require lots of FRW to catch the opponents. Charging it up on necros bone walls (its still a darn poor matchup) can help you cover the ground to net a hit quicker. It's basically a caster catching tool and a 1 point wonder. CtA isn't necessary but its nice to have an extra thousand hit points to spare. Hope that helped...

Thanks for the quick reply. I have a nice grief phase already made so perhaps that may be the best choice after all. Any idea whether the rabies/venom thing is a figment of someone's imagination?

[Kiba]

AwrooO~> What is gosu

Venom will now interfere with your rabies since not even poison length reduction on items will affect rabies.

Even with the open wound the raw damage on King & Fury will not be made up by the open wound. I would stick with greif.

[Strid]

AwrooO~> What is gosu

Gosu is Korean for "1337" basically. (IIRC, that is)

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Gosu is Korean for "1337" basically. (IIRC, that is)
/confirmd.

and I see jake helped you, and if he isn't a fury/rabies gosu, I don't know who is.

[xpumafangx]

Sexy,

Ya like kiba said you should just go with greif phase blade. Open wounds even tho its nice isnt as good as pure damage. I personly go with deadly strike before I hit up the open wounds.

Your items ideal looks all right for a starting out build. But ya switch out for a greif and a ebotd gpa. Your not going to need the doom to slow people down when rabied or opened wounded.

Try this out for items actly.

jalals
steel, trang-ouls, blood fists, or dracs- you forgot to put gloves in. Just pick one and go with it. Each has its addvantagies and well alot of the times people pick them on what they have.
Highlords wrath
gores- dont up your gores it isnt a wise ideal. The more def doesnt really help you.
duel raven frosts
Stormsheild is the best bet for a sheild pvp wise. You made the perfect choose on that.
Belt wise verds is good just make shure it has 15% dr.
Armor wise its better to switch out different types for different duels. Engima is a good pick for people who run away from you. Other then that it doesnt hold up. Use it for now but latter on if you end up loving werewolves get different types.
greif phase blade and weapon switch should be ebotd gpa.

Switch and stash items should be.

demon limb- ar from the lvl 21 enchant is great.
anglic rings and amulets. More ar the better at times when your dueling vs high def people. Its why I keep a ebotd zerk in stash as well just for the extra 100 ar.

Treachery armor- With what youve picked your kinda a all rounded but lacking in resist all. This armor will help you with your resists and at the same time let you use engima.


You also forgot to talk about charms as well.

Charm wise your going to want for a fury rabies build

1 anni
1 d hellfire
9 shape gc of lifers
10 fine sc of vita or 10 steel sc of vita

Cheaper
9 shape gc
10 vita sc
1 anni
1 d torch

37 vita sc
1 anni
1 d torch

Cheapest
Is to just do a combo of what you can get in skill gc and lifers. But also know that ar and max damage is inportant too.

Now your all ways going to want to meet 42% fhr break point or the 86%. You can easyly do the 42% with just shealing your jalals.

[Kiba]

AwrooO~> What is gosu

Venom will now interfere with your rabies since not even poison length reduction on items will affect rabies.

Even with the open wound the raw damage on King & Fury will not be made up by the open wound. I would stick with greif.

Woops big typo mistake meant to say not. It wont affect rabies.

[redswordhero]

hmm i have a questin too. wat is the life difference w/ SS lifers and without?

[Kiba]

hmm i have a questin too. wat is the life difference w/ SS lifers and without?

Ill check right now and tell results in a minute.

I just checked Kiba

With no charms except anni and torch ~ 402 vit @ level 93

Human form 1140 with oak 2359

Werewolf form 2633 with oak 3873

With 9 x 40-45 life shape gcs + 6 20 vitx scs

Human form 1673 with oak 4771

Werewolf form 3670 with oak 6766

I did that with out pre buff or battle orders

[redswordhero]

dang that is a big difference, guess i better start looking for lifers... and is ur oak lvl 1(without +skills)?

[Kiba]

It was level 24 when i check but yah its level one oak with no + skills.

[redswordhero]

k thx alot. oh another question for u kiba, i think u r a fury/rabies wolf right? I am thinking of making FC/rabies, my question is this: once people know i am using fire claw and stacks up against it. Will i be able to hit them still? (since i am not sure if fireclaw is fire magic based or physical attack based?)

[Verashiden]

It's both. It adds an insane amount of fire damage but it still applies the physical damage of the weapon as well.

[sexyfool]

Ty to puma,kiba and vera for your input.

I have trangs for gloves ( forget to mention :rolleyes: ) and of course have torch and anni. I am sadly low on skillers but am trading for those i can get.

What is the reason behind highlords as an ammy?? I happen to have 28 mara which was my original choice. Is the roughly 30% chance for ds at level 80ish REALLY worth the loss of 5 att pts, 1 skill pt and 28 res on all but light??

Just picked up a 3 os bp today and have the treachery runes so amen to that idea.

I have already got upped gores so I stick with those.

I am having trouble finding an affordable verdungo so I may have to stick to SoE for dr untill I do.

I have plenty of fhr charms so is Um in the Jalals the best way to go? I do have a noticable lack of res charms atm .......

[Kiba]

um is a good choice for the jalals. The deadly strike on highlords will deffinatly shine a lot more then the stats on maras.

Make sure you hit 42% faster hit recovery.

[sexyfool]

Do psn charms have any noticable effect on rabies damage?

[Verashiden]

Not in the slightest.