¿Best Barb to kill Palas?

[wasonlp]

Hi.

I whant to know what is the best Barb to kill Paladins on PvP (prio: smiters, but if its possible, hammers & fohers too).

I need to know the full bild: skills, stats & gear (or i need a link to a guide :grin: ).

My economy is not perfect, but i have allready some items to use with this barb like:
beast ba, botd ba, doom ba, lw ba, arreat, mara, dracs, gores, enni / forty, etc...

I´ve never used a Barb pvp before, so i dont know nothin about this char. Plz hel me :thumbsup:

Thx for answers & Cu

[mephiztophelez]

a properly played, cookie-cutter bvc shouldn't ever lose to a smiter.

[mainaman]

a properly played, cookie-cutter bvc shouldn't ever lose to a smiter.
thats not true
60+k defence smiter with clegs and hf flashes is unbeatable, unless you have 45+k ar(yet to be tested). Then prolly 50/50 if you play perfect.
45k ar is impossoble to achieve unless you hev a really good fools axe with pretty much perf mods, fade +hasrus+chant+angelics.
McM and I are testing this match up , this is the axe im using atm
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/foolsaxe1.jpg
and with 39k ar i won 2 duels out of maybe 10.
I am getting hsarus and lw for fade so i can get highest possible ar withought using chanter, so we will what happens.

[SicHalo]

thats not true
60+k defence smiter with clegs and hf flashes is unbeatable, unless you have 45+k ar(yet to be tested). Then prolly 50/50 if you play perfect.
45k ar is impossoble to achieve unless you hev a really good fools axe with pretty much perf mods, fade +hasrus+chant+angelics.
McM and I are testing this match up , this is the axe im using atm
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/foolsaxe1.jpg
and with 39k ar i won 2 duels out of maybe 10.
I am getting hsarus and lw for fade so i can get highest possible ar withought using chanter, so we will what happens.



These types of smiters are rare as they are designed to be barb killers and even this is beatable i played a setup like this only difference is it had more slow cuz of the realm bugged belt and more dr, even this i came out 50/50. U simply use drive-by whirls its is hard but when u have an idea what ur do

And no i did not have 45k ar just standard 25k from angelics.

But ordinary tele-smiters is about prediction however u do need good whirlwind technique and shift+smite type smiters are a joke anyway

[akumaxxyz]

if you got that kind of axe, but add 2 ums instead, any smiter should be very beatable.

im curious what kind of setup to get 60k defense? and what kind of fcr they have for tele smite.

[mainaman]

if you got that kind of axe, but add 2 ums instead, any smiter should be very beatable.

im curious what kind of setup to get 60k defense? and what kind of fcr they have for tele smite.ok all this is happeneng on a priv server where ppl have access to perf gears
the smiter uses 1893 (perf) def exile ,65ed/120 ar mors,
gnigma, eth dungo/goblin toes, eth pb grief, clegs, 30/31 coa, amulet is armageddon slippers, perf raven and 10fcr /20 str/40life/90 mana ring
he has 10 fcr , with prebuffs he gets 63k def.
With such an axe he is still barely beatable as it was proven in dueling the best BvCs on the realm.

[akumaxxyz]

so thats just like a normal beef up smiter who uses slow and freeze? with 10fcr this smiter cant be fast at tele smite. if you can buff your ar to 35-40k it is very beatable.

[kingdryland]

thats not true
60+k defence smiter with clegs and hf flashes is unbeatable, unless you have 45+k ar(yet to be tested). Then prolly 50/50 if you play perfect.
45k ar is impossoble to achieve unless you hev a really good fools axe with pretty much perf mods, fade +hasrus+chant+angelics.
McM and I are testing this match up , this is the axe im using atm
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/foolsaxe1.jpg
and with 39k ar i won 2 duels out of maybe 10.
I am getting hsarus and lw for fade so i can get highest possible ar withought using chanter, so we will what happens.

Would a visionary barb helm be of any help against a smiter with sky high defense? If it has ber ber in it then you can get up to 39% dr with it.

[sirmessbu]

ok all this is happeneng on a priv server where ppl have access to perf gears
the smiter uses 1893 (perf) def exile ,65ed/120 ar mors,
gnigma, eth dungo/goblin toes, eth pb grief, clegs, 30/31 coa, amulet is armageddon slippers, perf raven and 10fcr /20 str/40life/90 mana ring
he has 10 fcr , with prebuffs he gets 63k def.
With such an axe he is still barely beatable as it was proven in dueling the best BvCs on the realm.


You have any idea if that sword is for trade?

I guess it was only a typo tho.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

gogo +50life vita gcs

[akumaxxyz]

its on a private server so anything can be ethereal

[mephiztophelez]

thats not true
60+k defence smiter with clegs and hf flashes is unbeatable, unless you have 45+k ar(yet to be tested). Then prolly 50/50 if you play perfect.
45k ar is impossoble to achieve unless you hev a really good fools axe with pretty much perf mods, fade +hasrus+chant+angelics.
McM and I are testing this match up , this is the axe im using atm
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/foolsaxe1.jpg
and with 39k ar i won 2 duels out of maybe 10.
I am getting hsarus and lw for fade so i can get highest possible ar withought using chanter, so we will what happens.

i think it's kind of, well, utter-balderdash to be comparing d2pk builds to realms builds.

one doesn't "need" that kind of kit to defeat 99% of realms smiters.

@op: a hammerdin will deal with most smiters fairly effectivly.

[mainaman]

You have any idea if that sword is for trade?

I guess it was only a typo tho.if you play d2pk i might be able to find you one of these.

one doesn't "need" that kind of kit to defeat 99% of realms smiters.truth is there is many 50k + def smiters out there how you gonna beat them?

McM ofc found the solution to the defeat of the smiter,
but we decided to keep it for ourselves. A video is comming out so you guys can see how I beat his 63k def smiter with 0 dr on me, its pretty cool.

[ultrabadbob]

i wholeheartedly agree w/ mephistophelez about the comparing d2pk chars to realm chars. i mean, seriously, eth pb's? u cant get that in normal d2. correct me if im wrong, but I thought that D2pk was designed to create an environment in which all of the best possible gear could be used.

back on topic, exactly how often do 60k def barb-killer smiters show up in regular public dueling games? im pretty sure that thats the environment that the op was referring to.

a properly played, cookie-cutter bvc shouldn't ever lose to a smiter.

ill rephrase that to say that a properly played, cookie-cutter bvc shouldn't ever lose to a cookie-cutter smiter.

[mainaman]

i wholeheartedly agree w/ mephistophelez about the comparing d2pk chars to realm chars. i mean, seriously, eth pb's? u cant get that in normal d2. correct me if im wrong, but I thought that D2pk was designed to create an environment in which all of the best possible gear could be used.

back on topic, exactly how often do 60k def barb-killer smiters show up in regular public dueling games? im pretty sure that thats the environment that the op was referring to.



ill rephrase that to say that a properly played, cookie-cutter bvc shouldn't ever lose to a cookie-cutter smiter.
i fact 3 days ago on east ladder i dueled 55k def smiter , what savd me was the fact that the guy didnt have any idea what he was doing, i.e he was shifsmiting.
rich ppl can easily get 60k def if they wanted to..
by the way well played telesmiter can really stomp a bvc even with 30 k def
as i have been told by one of the top bvc players .

As for the eth grief you should now it dont add any significant dmg , the eth is for style pts really.
And don't get me wrong I play exclusively BvC.

Anyway the fact remains , that with proper gear choice this kind of smiter is beatable.
I had 0 dr, and 5k life and beat him . One of the duels was with no chant and fools axe so my ar was same as it would have been
with grief and chant.
Definetely is not about the weapons ...

[ultrabadbob]

i fact 3 days ago on east ladder i dueled 55k def smiter , what savd me was the fact that the guy didnt have any idea what he was doing, i.e he was shifsmiting.
rich ppl can easily get 60k def if they wanted to..
by the way well played telesmiter can really stomp a bvc even with 30 k def
as i have been told by one of the top bvc players .
And don't get me wrong I play exclusively BvC.

the thing about pubs is that very rarely is anything ever "well played." sure, you encountered one 55k def smiter. in the last three days. However, despite his killer gear, he was an idiot, and thus, was shift smiting. it seems that most often, pubbie duelers are either good at d2 but have bad gear, or have great gear and are bad at d2. not often are the two found together.

if someone is actually going to go to the trouble to get an anti barb char, esp. a smiter, go get an hdin. or something. granted, you say that you only play bvcs, and thats your prerogative. in that case, though, you will have to accept defeat at the hands of so called "barb-killer smiters."

im pretty sure that what the op was asking for was a way to beat your average, run of the mill pubbie smiter, who probably doesnt have 60k def and probably isnt well versed in the art of tele smiting.

[mainaman]

the thing about pubs is that very rarely is anything ever "well played." sure, you encountered one 55k def smiter. in the last three days. However, despite his killer gear, he was an idiot, and thus, was shift smiting. it seems that most often, pubbie duelers are either good at d2 but have bad gear, or have great gear and are bad at d2. not often are the two found together.

if someone is actually going to go to the trouble to get an anti barb char, esp. a smiter, go get an hdin. or something. granted, you say that you only play bvcs, and thats your prerogative. in that case, though, you will have to accept defeat at the hands of so called "barb-killer smiters."

im pretty sure that what the op was asking for was a way to beat your average, run of the mill pubbie smiter, who probably doesnt have 60k def and probably isnt well versed in the art of tele smiting.
Mephistopehelz said smiters are always beatable , which is mostly true. skilled smiter can really make any bvc miserable . In pubs you meet trash smiter, but ther eare good ones too occasianlly.
The way to beat smiters is clip them all day long.

Here is the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbgvk1cA-j0

[mephiztophelez]

As for the eth grief you should now it dont add any significant dmg , the eth is for style pts really.
at a wild guess i'd say the eth will add a TON of charge damage.

seriously: comparing d2pk builds to realms builds is like comparing a mudbomb to an F-1 rocket.

[mainaman]

at a wild guess i'd say the eth will add a TON of charge damage.

seriously: comparing d2pk builds to realms builds is like comparing a mudbomb to an F-1 rocket.if you do the math it adds like 10ish pvp more dmg...

[akumaxxyz]

@@ what kind of duel is that, and the smiter was on run mode.

[wizAdept]

at a wild guess i'd say the eth will add a TON of charge damage.Use PPR's calc. You'll see its really not that much damage.

seriously: comparing d2pk builds to realms builds is like comparing a mudbomb to an F-1 rocket.This is true, when youre comparing it to the average realm build. Although aside from the eth glitched items and the 2soc 6affix items, most of this is achievable on realms and some players have gear of close calibur to what you might find on d2pk. (this is true for some classes more than others though)
In a way d2pk really shows class balance and class advantage in d2. Closed battlenet game balance can only be seen with top notch built characters, considering you can just outgear yourself to get through any class disadvantage vs most of the players on bnet. (edit: given your gameplay is at least somewhat competent)


btw very good job mainaman. Seriously. I watched mcm smash trev and heard sev got pounded pretty hard as well. That smiter is a beast vs anything that needs ar to hit. My wwsin got crushed 1-5 by it =\
I did flawless him with kicker though. GA ftw ;p

[wizAdept]

rich ppl can easily get 60k def if they wanted to..
Im going to vouch this. I've been friends with several players on east nl who have built 60k+ defense smiters. Although most of them later rebuilt to lower def v/t variants.


the thing about pubs is that very rarely is anything ever "well played." sure, you encountered one 55k def smiter. in the last three days. However, despite his killer gear, he was an idiot, and thus, was shift smiting. it seems that most often, pubbie duelers are either good at d2 but have bad gear, or have great gear and are bad at d2. not often are the two found together.True.

im pretty sure that what the op was asking for was a way to beat your average, run of the mill pubbie smiter, who probably doesnt have 60k def and probably isnt well versed in the art of tele smiting.
The average run of the mill smiter on battlenet doesnt know about telesmiting, about namelocking, or about not running at a barb. What is there to know about how to beat them, you ww around a puddle, they chase at you and die. Simple.
I think its better to prepare yourself with tactics vs a gg smiter, otherwise when you come up against one with a barb you really wont know what the hell to do to keep yourself from getting owned.

[SicHalo]

Im going to vouch this. I've been friends with several players on east nl who have built 60k+ defense smiters. Although most of them later rebuilt to lower def v/t variants.


True.


The average run of the mill smiter on battlenet doesnt know about telesmiting, about namelocking, or about not running at a barb. What is there to know about how to beat them, you ww around a puddle, they chase at you and die. Simple.
I think its better to prepare yourself with tactics vs a gg smiter, otherwise when you come up against one with a barb you really wont know what the hell to do to keep yourself from getting owned.


I agree but smiters like this is rare i have only meet 2 maybe 3 types like this, this very first smiter i thought like this tore me apart i had no chance cuz i did not know what to do, the second i had an idea what to do to counter it but he still won a majority but the third one was a m8 Luder on this forum, he had a high defence smiter prolly arround 50k not quite 60k but used the same tactics but had more fcr he also had max dr easier and 10% more slow from a realm belt, holyfreeze then tele smite, with my setup i had like 20 fcr and he was prolly slightly faster thn me and most if not all barbs he faced he destroyed with that setup

When i come back home i would like to fight another smiter very simular to this although sadly i don't think i could go on d2pk since of the lag and crap and lag vs ths kinda build u will lose anyway...

Edit

Oh you did have an acception of one smiter he was godly anway he did not even need hf or any stuff to go 50/50 with some of the best barbs... he had a really good tele smite or desync charge smite.

[wasonlp]

:P ... so the best barb to kill (or try to kill ^ ^) smiter is a BvC? rigth? And whitch is the gear for this barb?

I play in battle.net realm, so i cant use that extrange items :P

Cu

[Uncle_Mike]

:P ... so the best barb to kill (or try to kill ^ ^) smiter is a BvC? rigth? And whitch is the gear for this barb?

I play in battle.net realm, so i cant use that extrange items :P

Cu

There is no up to date guide posted atm - your best bet is to browse the barb forum as the build has been more or less extensively discussed in the past few weeks.

Mike

edit: the basic setup can be found here: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=542711

[mainaman]

:P ... so the best barb to kill (or try to kill ^ ^) smiter is a BvC? rigth? And whitch is the gear for this barb?

I play in battle.net realm, so i cant use that extrange items :P

CuBest build is BvC,
items to use CoA, dracks(clegs might work better even), enigma, grief/beast ,hsarus set belt and boots, angelics, fade prebuff, enchant with dlimb.
Very precise clip ww's

[SicHalo]

hmm u don't need all that versus a regular smiter not even all that vs the tele- hf smiters, fade prebuff those help though for countering lifetap, enchant yes hsarus set no not needed imo..

worst case scenario 2x doom on switch.. still slows a pb smiter and destroys any smiter that decides to use a ba to have an equal range to you.

And as stated yes a bvc can kill smiter, and hammer and foh as u stated if you need to.

[mainaman]

hmm u don't need all that versus a regular smiter not even all that vs the tele- hf smiters, fade prebuff those help though for countering lifetap, enchant yes hsarus set no not needed imo..

worst case scenario 2x doom on switch.. still slows a pb smiter and destroys any smiter that decides to use a ba to have an equal range to you.

And as stated yes a bvc can kill smiter, and hammer and foh as u stated if you need to.oh i mean against a really high defence smiter. Against reg 30-40k def smiters, gores/dungo , and ehchant should be enough.

[SicHalo]

hmm i saw the video good stuff, how was u able to win with fortitude, when i tried this setup as a test i got crushed due to the fact i was lacking fast run/walk due to the HF and slow? I had to use enigma not just to get the extra speed but also for tele attacks as Luder was very agressive tele smiting with almost no break meaning almsot all the time i felt hf hitting me.

[mainaman]

hmm i saw the video good stuff, how was u able to win with fortitude, when i tried this setup as a test i got crushed due to the fact i was lacking fast run/walk due to the HF and slow? I had to use enigma not just to get the extra speed but also for tele attacks as Luder was very agressive tele smiting with almost no break meaning almsot all the time i felt hf hitting me.I'm going to leave the solution a secret for now although its pretty simple. Unfortunately the lag we both have wouldn't allow us to do more precise testing. Anyway this kind of smiter can be beaten with 0 Dr whatsoever as seen from the vid.
Before i tried this set up i used doom +fools axe. I got several kills , but never the less i got smashed.. If I had less lag i think I could have gotten more wins.
Next set up to test is hsarus /angelics + fade.

[SicHalo]

Impressive, i know a smiter can be defeated with almost no dr cuz i never wear max anyway vs smiters and at best i wear coa + enig is enough.

I recon part of the solution is keeping urself out of the range of hf which i saw, however, with a more aggressive tele smiter this would not work because, when i played my m8 he was on my case the whole time smite was coming ever second with almost no breaks, meaning i was exposed more to hf which means with a forti setup ur run speed is crippled. my m8s tele smiting is simular to like the end of the vid where the guy says lag? or something he comes at u constantly usally which is good cuz it forces the barb to play well or die from mistakes.

But it still good though cuz i had to use an enigma + coa to do this and used 40% fcr however i did only use just angelics and gores.

hmm maybe when i get back home some time next week il see if i an get a duel recorded to show how both of us play or something..

[mainaman]

Impressive, i know a smiter can be defeated with almost no dr cuz i never wear max anyway vs smiters and at best i wear coa + enig is enough.

I recon part of the solution is keeping urself out of the range of hf which i saw, however, with a more aggressive tele smiter this would not work because, when i played my m8 he was on my case the whole time smite was coming ever second with almost no breaks, meaning i was exposed more to hf which means with a forti setup ur run speed is crippled. my m8s tele smiting is simular to like the end of the vid where the guy says lag? or something he comes at u constantly usally which is good cuz it forces the barb to play well or die from mistakes.

But it still good though cuz i had to use an enigma + coa to do this and used 40% fcr however i did only use just angelics and gores.

hmm maybe when i get back home some time next week il see if i an get a duel recorded to show how both of us play or something..well utilizing doom + clegs should definetely aleviate the problem as he will have no ias stack to counter your slowing him.

[Ce Olba]

There is no up to date guide posted atm - your best bet is to browse the barb forum as the build has been more or less extensively discussed in the past few weeks.

Mike

edit: the basic setup can be found here: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=542711

It's nice to see that other people consider whatever I've compiled as something worthy of using as a guideline. Darn, I seriously need to get a new PC so that I can finish the guide.

[akumaxxyz]

i dont think you can beat any good smiter with 0 dr, that video is just showing you ww all the time while not getting range of hf while the smiter play the offensive hand all the time.

if it was someone who had play like you did, it would be like a mind game.

best kind of smiter is those with a good fcr for tele smite, good defense who sticks to you all the time waiting for a chance for long ww mistake, or very good teleing like perfect spot infront of your ww to get a few hits, he got 75% block and defense to save him for exchanging blows.

[mainaman]

i dont think you can beat any good smiter with 0 dr, that video is just showing you ww all the time while not getting range of hf while the smiter play the offensive hand all the time.

if it was someone who had play like you did, it would be like a mind game.

best kind of smiter is those with a good fcr for tele smite, good defense who sticks to you all the time waiting for a chance for long ww mistake, or very good teleing like perfect spot infront of your ww to get a few hits, he got 75% block and defense to save him for exchanging blows.this is all known very well ,thing is even ppl with 7.9k life and 50 dr and playing better than me couldnt beat him. He has me frozen alot as you can see he had me tapped too. What is it you want more than that?
By the way I am not sure one can have 75% fcr and 63k defence...
they would be tops in the 30k range and they are not that hard to beat since they get hit alot.

[akumaxxyz]

i was thinking wizzy gloves, since you think bug belt smiters were ok, but i think 48% bp tele still good, defense about 40-50k maybe.

not sure what you mean by people playing better than you cannot beat that kind of smiter, if they were better how did they lose to that kind of smite? i understand if they did not play like you though.

anyway i still dont think you can beat any good smiter with 0 dr, that smiter was just name locking teleing smite while you just ww hole time. i dont think its good duel.

[SicHalo]

best kind of smiter is those with a good fcr for tele smite, good defense who sticks to you all the time waiting for a chance for long ww mistake, or very good teleing like perfect spot infront of your ww to get a few hits, he got 75% block and defense to save him for exchanging blows.



akumaxxyz was getting to the point i made earlier, when i dueled my m8 with this he "stuck" to me with tele smite while using hf constantly, which as i said forces the barb into playing well or u simply die from making a mistake, i.e over long whirl etc.

This is also the reason why forti simply did not work as i was overexposed to the hf+ slow meaning in nice terms using the forti armour i got raped in 5-10 seconds. Hence why enigma was the best and only viable choice.

[jake007]

Even morotjos admitted that a smiter can win if they WANTED to, i.e using abusing mass slow, life-tap etc. Unless restrictions such as no slow and exile are imposed in the duel, the barb simply cannot win.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Even morotjos admitted that a smiter can win if they WANTED to, i.e using abusing mass slow, life-tap etc. Unless restrictions such as no slow and exile are imposed in the duel, the barb simply cannot win.
Even if barb "WANT"s to as well? Mass slow and the works?

[akumaxxyz]

might win some if barb uses massive slow, i can only think of cleg's blackhorns, i if you use those you will sacrafice ow and dr, if you use belt you will lack ar from hsaru belt/boot.

maybe some kind of pole barb with range of 5 can take this kind of smiter easy, anyone try it?

[mephiztophelez]

Although aside from the eth glitched items and the 2soc 6affix items, most of this is achievable on realms
thats a pretty big "aside"

[kingdryland]

Why is the smiter using goblin toe over gore rider? It is 10% great chance for cb over 10% chance for ow and a bit more defense.

[akumaxxyz]

im guessing its for the 25% cb only.

[kingdryland]

Gores allow you to have both cb and ow (he doesn't have any cb outside goblin and no ow at all).I somewhat feel goblin over gore is a bad trade in this matchup,especially with the barb spending so much time with low hitpoints.

[SicHalo]

might win some if barb uses massive slow, i can only think of cleg's blackhorns, i if you use those you will sacrafice ow and dr, if you use belt you will lack ar from hsaru belt/boot.

maybe some kind of pole barb with range of 5 can take this kind of smiter easy, anyone try it?

are realm EUNL has something called a bugged belt which gives str, dex 20% pdr and still has 10% slow allowing both the smiter and barb to utilse this belt. And as i said countless times half of this stuff is not needed all u need to be good with is drive-by clipping whirlwinds.

[mainaman]

might win some if barb uses massive slow, i can only think of cleg's blackhorns, i if you use those you will sacrafice ow and dr, if you use belt you will lack ar from hsaru belt/boot.

maybe some kind of pole barb with range of 5 can take this kind of smiter easy, anyone try it?heh ..
He used clegs hf flashes tap all the nasty things that mess up barbs ..
Iused ,you saw in the vid,fortitude/tgods. I beat him with 0 dr so what is it there that you dont understand.
The others that dueled him were more experienced, doing better clip ww's, than me with 50% dr/fools axes -40k ar , 7.8k (one of them) life and still lost badly with him nl tele smiting them only since he has massive ping and cant rely on precise positioning with teleport...
It might be possible to win against such kind of smiter with the gear you listed but we showed its doable with reg gear and 0 dr, oh and i wasn't chanted the frst duel so i had about 26k ar as opposed to 36k the other duels. Still managed to win.
I am not sure if you understad the idea here, it was that regardless of the top gear that smiter had it is possible to beat under equal conditions with 0 dr and reg gear, except one thing was different about my set up that helped in the duel.

[akumaxxyz]

that smiter play no where near good, a perfectly play smiter with stats like 50k def 48% bp tele slow and freeze is hard to beat, and none stop ww isnt going to work vs anyone with brains you can ww all day and they just stick to you and wait for a good chance while using holy freeze on you the hole time.

tele clip ww drive by is harder than you think 1 little mistake and you will eat tons of damage, this is easy if your target just stands there, but we talking about good players no way they will do notihng while you do your clip ww.

[HappyAssassin]

A friend of mine messed around with a lance barb for killing smiters. It worked real well vs. pubs, but slow really messed him up against good smiters. If they don't get a lotta hit checks the smiter can just telesmite them because of block and smite.

[wasonlp]

Well, can i say you my items and you say me whitch ones i must use and whitch ones NO, and whitch ones i must buy :P ???

[mainaman]

Well, can i say you my itemso and you say me whitch ones i must use and whitch ones NO, and whitch ones i must buy :P ???well pcost and well try sort them out if they are not allready the corrct items.

[Uncle_Mike]

well pcost and well try sor them out if they are not allready the corrct items.

^__^

The basic item and skill setup was already linked to in this thread, please read through it again wasonlp :thumbsup:

[Eilo Rytyj]

if you do the math it adds like 10ish pvp more dmg...

Not to Smite it doesn't, an eth PB adds a big fat 0 damage over the non-eth one. And yep you're looking at a minimal increase in Charge/Zeal/whatever-other-non-Smite-attack damage.

OTOH an eth PB has 10 less str and dex reqs. 15/126 instead of a non-eth's 25/136. I guess if max block is reached with less than 136 dex than you can save stat points for vit n' stuff.
@@ what kind of duel is that, and the smiter was on run mode.

Not once did I see the Pally move. He maintained his defense all of the time. It was 100% tele-smite the whole time.

[kingdryland]

I'm going to leave the solution a secret for now although its pretty simple. Unfortunately the lag we both have wouldn't allow us to do more precise testing. Anyway this kind of smiter can be beaten with 0 Dr whatsoever as seen from the vid.
Before i tried this set up i used doom +fools axe. I got several kills , but never the less i got smashed.. If I had less lag i think I could have gotten more wins.
Next set up to test is hsarus /angelics + fade.


Data: You said no dr,no doom, no slow (like clegs).You showed us tgods,arreat's,forti.

You 100% used angelics, no question about it. You had t-gods on so no hsarus combo there. You had fana aura on so one of the weapons was a beast. That leaves us with the main weapon ,the boots and the gloves. What one would expect is to see dracs/gore there, but you haven't bled the guy at all (or so it seems). I don't think you deliberately gave away frw by using goblin either. I really am puzzled here, my guess is blood crafted/gores, although you may even have strength for steelrend as well.

Weapon wise you must have messed around with eth runes and the -%target's defense in general. An EDC,a normal DC socketed with eth, an Erunemaster with eth runes, or most likely, that fool's axe with 2xeth. This axe would give you the fool's ar bonus,and the -50% target's defense,which lowers his base defense by 25%. He probably has lvl 35-40 holy shield and lvl 16 defiance aura that gives him roughly 1100% bonus to defense. His base defense should be ~5.2k so the bonus takes him roughly to 63k total. Your eth runes affect the base 5.2k and reduce it by 1.3k to 3.9k base. This multiplied by 1100% gives a tolerable 47k defense.

I'm not familiar with d2pk items. If he gets his 63k with more base defense and less %edef bonus, the more effective eth runes become.

[Uncle_Mike]

Data: You said no dr,no doom, no slow (like clegs).You showed us tgods,arreat's,forti.

I really am puzzled here, my guess is blood crafted/gores, although you may even have strength for steelrend as well.



Unless we are being manipulated here :wink3: you can see that he was wearing dracul's grasp and rare classic boots in the last seconds of the vid. That leaves us basically with a weapon slot.

[kingdryland]

Unless we are being manipulated here :wink3: you can see that he was wearing dracul's grasp and rare classic boots in the last seconds of the vid. That leaves us basically with a weapon slot.

Classic rares...I guess he needs these for +strength, else I don't see why using them. Dracs alone make perfect sense,so I guess it just happened that the 25% ow didn't trigger,or at least I didn't notice any blood...Possible,since I was too deep in thoughts when he actually showed him his gloves/boots.:grin:

[mainaman]

Classic rares...I guess he needs these for +strength, else I don't see why using them. Dracs alone make perfect sense,so I guess it just happened that the 25% ow didn't trigger,or at least I didn't notice any blood...Possible,since I was too deep in thoughts when he actually showed him his gloves/boots.:grin:mike has 63k defence.
I need those boots, for str as i need tgods, dracks and arreat to wear fortitude.
On d2pk there is no torch yet,therefore if i want to be as close to pure vita as possible i had to str glich the fortitude in that sence.
As for weapons one was the axe i showed above the other one was grief.

We meesed arround with eth runes yesterday, I used 2 zerkers with 2 shaels+4 eths each , guillaume's face ,dracks, gores but even though i hit him "a milion times" due to the low dmg he still won all duels. We didn't try the mass slow combo clegs+doom since its clear the advantage is on my side.

here is what happened to all the decked out bvc's that wanted to give it a try.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GlVepZ2cBQ

Mike said at some point he got amped by a necro, then tapped by a necro when duleing one of those BvCs to still winn most of the duels.
for those that will wonder whats up with the set glow its a popular effect on a sc suchas20/5, 3/20/20, or 70/15. it doesnt have extra hiddenmodes.

[kingdryland]

So did you or didn't you 2xeth that sick fool's axe?

[HappyAssassin]

It looks like he uses enchant too, at one point in the vid (2:30) it looks like the barb drops a demon limb at the town entrance. If you want a vid a lot a pattern starts to emerge with the WWs....

[akumaxxyz]

Not once did I see the Pally move. He maintained his defense all of the time. It was 100% tele-smite the whole time.

i was saying he is using run mode, not running. defense and block doesnt drop when you use run mode?

[akumaxxyz]

those barbs got no ar?

[mainaman]

So did you or didn't you 2xeth that sick fool's axe?i didnt use 2 eth in that fools exe i was using 2 ohms as i needed it to have close to griefs dmg (iirc its about 5% less overall dmg). yesterdays test was with eths in the 2 fools axes but it didnt work well.
It looks like he uses enchant too, at one point in the vid (2:30) it looks like the barb drops a demon limb at the town entrance. If you want a vid a lot a pattern starts to emerge with the WWs....ofc i chanted, in the first vid i wasn't and you can see it takes awhile to kill the smiter.
As for the pattern there is one but with 130-180 ping i wouldn't dare do fancy ww clips, not to mention Mike knows very well how these are done and thus can counter them pretty successful. He actually said that this is pretty much the way to do it when i asked about some useful hints on clipping wws

[SicHalo]

lol are u serious with this vid Maniaman?

half those ppl look like they did not have a clue about what they were doing, that ik barb was prolly the best barb there...

I mean u had one barb whirling dirrectly through the smiter, secondly when the pala switches to hf u get out of the area fast u dont stay whirling back and forth w8ing to get ripped by the smiter which he did.

seriously not impressed i hope it was lag affecting performance there...

[akumaxxyz]

seriously if all those barbs went against that smiter i would think smiter will still wins, first none of them can hit him consistently second hes got life tap, third those barbs dont even know what they're doing, they are just mindlessly wwing.

anyone that have play smiter befor can kill those barbs with that paladin. you can just tele smite them all day with out getting hit much.

[mainaman]

lol are u serious with this vid Maniaman?

half those ppl look like they did not have a clue about what they were doing, that ik barb was prolly the best barb there...

I mean u had one barb whirling dirrectly through the smiter, secondly when the pala switches to hf u get out of the area fast u dont stay whirling back and forth w8ing to get ripped by the smiter which he did.

seriously not impressed i hope it was lag affecting performance there...its not ik barb its gust a glow effect wich one can get from a charm(it doesnt add any speciffic attributes only the glow )
as for the barbs yes i hope you understand the meaning of the first vid i posted , ibeat him with 0 dr. while these decked out bvc's couldnt.
anyone that have play smiter befor can kill those barbs with that paladin. you can just tele smite them all day with out getting hit much.exactly...
only what i used gives a chance , but as it had been said before if there is no lag and the smiter has more fcr then it will be tough to beat him, unless the barb has some very good skills.

[akumaxxyz]

i said befor that kind of smiter is just stronger version of a tele smiter, but if barb can get enough ar to hit consistant and play perfect barb can win easily only factor would be life tap..

[mainaman]

i said befor that kind of smiter is just stronger version of a tele smiter, but if barb can get enough ar to hit consistant and play perfect barb can win easily only factor would be life tap..well thats the thing barb cant get more than 45k ar (hsarus+angelics+chant+fools axe+beast),which is not enough to win the duel.

[akumaxxyz]

how much does those get you? maybe use a ar helmet too

[mainaman]

how much does those get you? maybe use a ar helmet too
as i said 45k ar.

[akumaxxyz]

then you can still win with 45k ar just needs to play perfectly. you can get even more ar by using 2 fool axes, just use um runes in them instead for ow dmg.

[SicHalo]

its not ik barb its gust a glow effect wich one can get from a charm(it doesnt add any speciffic attributes only the glow )
as for the barbs yes i hope you understand the meaning of the first vid i posted , ibeat him with 0 dr. while these decked out bvc's couldnt.
exactly...
only what i used gives a chance , but as it had been said before if there is no lag and the smiter has more fcr then it will be tough to beat him, unless the barb has some very good skills.


yeah but being fully decked out is one thing but if u lack the skill and knowledge how to duel which these guys did ur near perfect or perfect setup mean nothing...

[mainaman]

yeah but being fully decked out is one thing but if u lack the skill and knowledge how to duel which these guys did ur near perfect or perfect setup mean nothing...
u cant beat such smiter if they really play rigth. it takes good tele sites+ widowmaker and the barb is dead no matter what, that is the truth.
I beat him with my weird set up but if he had used widow there is no way i beat him even if I used enigma and 50 dr.

by the way here is supossedly skilled barb (the first 4-5 duels mike lagged alot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40sVzVNpJg0

take alook atthe last 3 duels, you see a good tele smiting there , now imagine widowmaker on switch ... thats unbeatable no matter what skill the barb has

[SicHalo]

widow out vs a barb is asking for trouble i seriously doubt that is valid enough..


after watching the vid the barb was decent player i give that compared to the other vid which was laughable with the quality of the barbs no offense but u can see this barb had skill and had a good idea what he was doing.

The smiter upped the skill level towards the end as it was noticable but how i countered good tele smite was attempt to break namelocks so after the first few smiteson screen if i distanced myself i simply teled far enough for a namelock smite to be broken then came back in with drive by clipping style whirls.

[kingdryland]

The lag in the first duels is ridiculous, the smiter runs into whirls,smacks the barb in the face and nobody takes any damage.

[akumaxxyz]

most boring duels. barb was just keep wwining, and smiter keep name locking tele smiter. he could of freeze barb, make good teles infront of wws he would win way much more.

i woudn't call that barb or smiter skill, best of best widow woudn't help the smiter much as it makes you have a open weakness you can be dead or heavily injure if your caught off guard.

the only problem is ar, if barb can hit enough its just the same, at best it would be 50/50 counting in life tap.

[Pidol]

i think i know.

Eth runes
Open Wounds
Attack Rating (45k+ could be possible, and you guys found it.)


so it could be that he is using a weapon that is based for the -%defense, beastz on offhand to give ar and trigger open wounds, which is basically the secret weapon, with the attack rating/-defense that you probably discovered, landing hits would be easier, and having OW to do the damage could be the "secret"

ofcourse when the pally reaches 1 life, it wont be hard to use that accuracy you discovered to finish him off

my 2cents

[akumaxxyz]

the wpn is fools zerk axe iwth 2 ums in it

[mainaman]

the weapon that barb used was indeed fools zerk , however thats fools mans choie since it dont do nearly as much dmg as grief does. Mike laggs on D2pk so thats why he eats so many wws.
[quote] Eth runes
Open Wounds
Attack Rating (45k+ could be possible, and you guys found it.)


so it could be that he is using a weapon that is based for the -%defense, beastz on offhand to give ar and trigger open wounds, which is basically the secret weapon, with the attack rating/-defense that you probably discovered, landing hits would be easier, and having OW to do the damage could be the "secret"

ofcourse when the pally reaches 1 life, it wont be hard to use that accuracy you discovered to finish him off
- def is not so effective really since the dmg of that axe is not so high. The OW dont help much becasue once life tap triggers OW is useless.

widow out vs a barb is asking for trouble i seriously doubt that is valid enough..


after watching the vid the barb was decent player i give that compared to the other vid which was laughable with the quality of the barbs no offense but u can see this barb had skill and had a good idea what he was doing.
As for my duels vs him don't even bother comment, I used 0 dr and we were both lagging beyond any resonable measure. Widowmaker works decent vs barbs if used properly , it shouldn't be over abused though

[xxxkillerxxx]

How many people with strong theories here have dueled the best of the best smiters, and dueled barbs on smiter? Obviously barbs cant beat equally skilled and geared smiters that play to win at all costs consistently. No matter what gear and tactics you use on barb smiters can out-wit, out-play, out-tank, out-def, out-tele, out-desynch and out-lame you. Properly defensive smiter who is king at desynching and plays hit-and-run with vigor charge/telesmite/medi-vigor charge is extremely frustrating to deal with.

Then again these are almost as rare as a good barb but smiters have the advantage over barb through the whole spectra from bad to good (of course the advantage decreases the better players you compare as in most matchups).

Forget hitting a defense smiter with widow out btw, unless he is dumb he won't use it unless desynched and at a safe distance. And it's not like he is going to stand there for seconds spamming arrows either lol.

And regarding private realms; it is easy for smiters to keep vital stats (50k+ def, good life, enough slow) on closed bnet while barbs can forget things like 45k ar, eth weapons etc.

[xxxkillerxxx]

lol are u serious with this vid Maniaman?

half those ppl look like they did not have a clue about what they were doing, that ik barb was prolly the best barb there...

I mean u had one barb whirling dirrectly through the smiter, secondly when the pala switches to hf u get out of the area fast u dont stay whirling back and forth w8ing to get ripped by the smiter which he did.

seriously not impressed i hope it was lag affecting performance there...

It is easy to talk and judge people on videos (much like alot of people tend to complain on how others perform in competitions on tv hehe). I'm not saying that's the case here but in reality it's very very easy for smiters to screw up a barbs gameplan. Desynch plays a big role here as well even with no lag.