help improove my barb gears!

[InfiniteSea]

hey guys, i read alot on barbs and i followed alot of guides... somehow even with these dream gears that took me a while to get, i still cant do what i expected to do...

arreats face
highlords
enigma dusk shroud
verdungos
ravenfrost -x2
stormshield
ebotd zerker
dracul's grasp
gore riders
///
2 wizard spikes on other hand
btorch
annihilus

-all items are perfect/near perfect...

(i am a tele/ww barb w/ perfect skills,
as for stats, i got a bit on str, alot on dex for max block, all on vitality)



what shuld i socket my:
Arreats and
Stormshield with?

what items shuld i change?

what kinda charms shuld i use?

THanks

[mainaman]

It looks like you are BvA build. These are somewhat in the middle of barb bult to duel casters and melee (BvC) and BvB -a barb made to duel barbs.
Imo BvA is not the right way to go about using barb. Make BvC , that is lose the shield and instead of wizzys use 2 doom on switch for bo. Grief(34 ias+/380 dmg+) and beast zerks are your main weapons. Get 2 ber CoA as your main helm. Use arachnid as main belt

About charms CeOlba made nice guide:


Charms can either make or break the BvC. It means, if you have good charms, you can succeed, but without good charms you will not succeed. There are several different charm setups with their good and bad sides, and I will try to examine all of them by my best ability and knowledge.

The Classic setup:
33* max/ar/life small charms (SCs)
4* FHR small charms
Annihilus
Hellfire Torch

This setup is the most common among all BvCs. It's also the oldest one. It's a decent setup as it reaches high amounts of damage (if the small charms all have +3 max damage, it will add total +108 average PvP damage), high AR and it will also hit teh 48% FHR breakpoint. However, the only places that it can get mana from would be the small charms, which is bad, as you will want to get resistances from your small charms. Also, this setup lacks any flexibility between battles, as it doesn't offer too much resistances. It's just a plain old damage setup. It works fine, but it's not the best or the worst setup.

The adapted versions of the Classic setup: The mana version and my own version:

The mana version:
3-5* life/mana small charms
28-30* max/ar/life small charms
4* FHR small charms
Annihilus
Hellfire Torch

[InfiniteSea]

Thanks mainaman,

thanks for everything.

-i cannot lose stormshield, or there goes my 35% damage reduce, blockrate, resist, str bonus, wasted dex points for maximum block rate

-why use doom's for bo when there is CtA and +3 warcry spears? i will take the advice of replacing wizard spikes for "bo" weapons

-considering i must use stormshield, which is the best solo axe?
imo: ebotd

-cant use ber'd CoAs with my stormshield

-need verdungo's dr for max dr

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charm data very useful ty.

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sorry for not taking all advice, but the advice is asking me to completely change my dream barb style;;;;

now the question remains:

Maxed DR
all resist - maxed

what should i socket into my perfect arreats and stormshield?

thanks

[Ce Olba]

hey guys, i read alot on barbs and i followed alot of guides... somehow even with these dream gears that took me a while to get, i still cant do what i expected to do...

Apparently you did not follow those guides and apparently you haven't used your brains for three seconds yet. Use them.

arreats face
highlords
enigma dusk shroud
verdungos
ravenfrost -x2
stormshield
ebotd zerker
dracul's grasp
gore riders
///
2 wizard spikes on other hand
btorch
annihilus

Wizardspikes are trash, swap-tele-switch-whirl-style killing won't work, you will end up trying to kill people with those minidaggers.

Also, about your gear, get a Grief, replace the gores with resistance boots, replace the stormshield with a BeastZ with >36 STR and replace the Arreat's with a double Ber CoA.

-all items are perfect/near perfect...

YOU JUST KILLED THREE KITTENS BY TELLING US SOMETHING WE DON'T CARE ABOUT.

(i am a tele/ww barb w/ perfect skills,
as for stats, i got a bit on str, alot on dex for max block, all on vitality)

Another few kittens died with the perfect statement. Don't say so, use your brain for three seconds and realize that your setup is not perfect if you have to doubt it for even two seconds.

what shuld i socket my:
Arreats and
Stormshield with?

Arreats -> 40/15, Stormshield -> Nothing, ditch it.

-i cannot lose stormshield, or there goes my 35% damage reduce, blockrate, resist, str bonus, wasted dex points for maximum block rate

The resistances on SS are pathetic, the str bonus is pathetic, the wasted dex is your own mistakre, the damage reduction is pathetic. Get a freaking CoA with double bers.

-why use doom's for bo when there is CtA and +3 warcry spears? i will take the advice of replacing wizard spikes for "bo" weapons

I love it when people fail to think for themselves for three seconds. With Dooms you only lose 2 skills, which is pretty minimal (6% +life out of a total of about 134%), but you gain the aura, a swap that can kill and mad stylepoints. Kidding on the last one by the way.

-considering i must use stormshield, which is the best solo axe?
imo: ebotd

EBotd is trash compared to Grief. Get a Grief in a Berserker Axe. Even a 34/340 Grief does ~5.5% more damage than a 415% EBotdZ.

-cant use ber'd CoAs with my stormshield

Then get a freaking 40 str BeastZ, remake your barbarian and get that CoA.

-need verdungo's dr for max dr

No you won't. 43% DR is enough always. Heck, even 35% is. My BvC has been using 36% DR for ages now. Get that CoA. Max DR is overrated, something like 40% is good enough with a neat +6k life.

charm data very useful ty.

And do you know how many times that very same text, in a bit longer for (including the other charmsetups) has been posted? Countless times.

sorry for not taking all advice, but the advice is asking me to completely change my dream barb style;;;;

If you are a beginner, you don't think about the answers, you do what they tell you to do.

what should i socket into my perfect arreats and stormshield?

thanks

I will tell you something: Your perfect item X doesn't matter. Get a darn 40/15 (ed/ias) and socket it there. If you want to ask stupid questions, I will say a single word: Widowmaker. Think for yourself for three seconds and you should figure it out.

And yes, I don't like people who fail to think for themselves and then dare to use the word perfect right in the morning.

Plus, let me ask you a question:
What is this "your dream barb"? If it's already like your dream, you shouldn't have any need to ask questions, unless "your dream barb" includes asking question, in which case you should take the answers pretty seriously. Not that your dream barbarian could get me that cup of applea tea, which in turn lowers my motivation to bother any further than necessary, specially in the morning.

[mainaman]

You wil need shield only against a small number of oponents, such as other barbs,zealers,bowazon , and shape shifters, BUT you can beat them all with no shield too, except BvB barbs.
You can get 50 dr easy with coa/enigma/dungo...
You need to rebuild your barb as BvC so you can really appreciate barbs .
Actually some more advertisement wouldn't hurt...
Watch these vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YsxulaH7C0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQ1BvTUJSs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O9-yq3O5n4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIEzPE31WuQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiIbbfGNKh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Z1MCwAfT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I

I hope these will make you remake your barb :thumbsup:

[Tankmobile]

or you don't have to rebuild him, and keep him as a BvB...
use 34ias griefz...storm..forti or eni is ur choice :smiley:
just use 3bo weps instead of wizzy's....most bvb have sod all cast rate, so 20 will do you fine :smiley:
if you need resists (for annoying sorcs//assas that ambush bvb games) socket pdia/um...if you have any needs stat etc wise, use something like that...otherwise ed jewel :smiley:
charms...sc 20 lifers with AR...or with defence since they are must cheaper :thumbsup:

[mainaman]

or you don't have to rebuild him, and keep him as a BvB...
use 34ias griefz...storm..forti or eni is ur choice :smiley:
just use 3bo weps instead of wizzy's....most bvb have sod all cast rate, so 20 will do you fine :smiley:
if you need resists (for annoying sorcs//assas that ambush bvb games) socket pdia/um...if you have any needs stat etc wise, use something like that...otherwise ed jewel :smiley:
charms...sc 20 lifers with AR...or with defence since they are must cheaper :thumbsup:
he can't duel casters with such a barb effectively, due to the fact that his life will be low compared to a bvc...
Ppl should understand that BvC is a lot more versatile than any other barb build period.

[Rabbitz]

Yes mainaman they are. That does NOT mean that there arnt any other builds out there.

A hammerdin is the most versitile build of the paladins, yet somehow.. v/t's seem to do good too?

[mainaman]

Yes mainaman they are. That does NOT mean that there arnt any other builds out there.

A hammerdin is the most versitile build of the paladins, yet somehow.. v/t's seem to do good too?The discussion is about gear choices for barb.
Hammerdin and v/t are of no concern in that discussion if i'm not wrong.

Point was that BvC is the best barb build for pvp.

[Tankmobile]

and your point to me made no sense....so please either explain or retract....
i say make it a BvB build instead and then you reply with
he can't duel casters with such a barb effectively, due to the fact that his life will be low compared to a bvc...
if its the fact i said have max res for annoying sorcs/assas that ambush bvb games...its so you dont creamed by the usual tripe that tries this kind of ambush :smiley:
at no point do i suggest this being a bvc, quite the opposite...

[mainaman]

and your point to me made no sense....so please either explain or retract....
i say make it a BvB build instead and then you reply with

if its the fact i said have max res for annoying sorcs/assas that ambush bvb games...its so you dont creamed by the usual tripe that tries this kind of ambush :smiley:
at no point do i suggest this being a bvc, quite the opposite...unfortunately things will not work the way you describe them , believe me:thumbsup:

[Ce Olba]

and your point to me made no sense....so please either explain or retract....
i say make it a BvB build instead and then you reply with

He asked how to change the build so that it's effective. I wouldn't call a character that's restricted to melee duelers as "effective".

if its the fact i said have max res for annoying sorcs/assas that ambush bvb games...its so you dont creamed by the usual tripe that tries this kind of ambush :smiley:
at no point do i suggest this being a bvc, quite the opposite...

The resistances don't matter when you're up against 8 frames teleport with your 11 frames teleport and you don't have the life of a BvC nor the speed. And maximum resistances don't mean squat if you are up against a 8 frames infinity merc'ed sorc. Or heck, how about a Foher? Good luck stacking that 325 resistances with your 1 pt nat res while still retaining teleport.

And I won't even go into cold sorcs. A BvB will never beat one anyways.

[Tankmobile]

not the idea to beat them...but from my experience, everytime i am in a pure bvb game where no-one is interested in dueling other classes, there is always one of them that enters. and with my bvb setup which aint exactly godly, i've never lost, i can either run to town, or beat them....or what usually happens is everyone goes against this invader :smiley:
and i think a bvb is "effective" if you enjoy bvb duels....not everyone wants to go the bvc route, so no need to write off other's builds as useless just because you don't see the principle :smiley:

[Rabbitz]

The discussion is about gear choices for barb.
Hammerdin and v/t are of no concern in that discussion if i'm not wrong.

Point was that BvC is the best barb build for pvp.

Erm, it seems my point just went over ya.

[mainaman]

not the idea to beat them...but from my experience, everytime i am in a pure bvb game where no-one is interested in dueling other classes, there is always one of them that enters. and with my bvb setup which aint exactly godly, i've never lost, i can either run to town, or beat them....or what usually happens is everyone goes against this invader :smiley:
and i think a bvb is "effective" if you enjoy bvb duels....not everyone wants to go the bvc route, so no need to write off other's builds as useless just because you don't see the principle :smiley:No one says BvB is useless , its just too constrained in the effectivenes , you cant argue that you hold your own against casters , a well build sorc /hammerdin/ necro /druid will take you down before you can count to 5. In that sence BvC is more versatile.
Else if you lake BvB have it your way ofc.

[sirwhere]

One question: why grief/beast instead of grief/greif? Is it because of the AR and str bonus of beast?

[mainaman]

One question: why grief/beast instead of grief/greif? Is it because of the AR and str bonus of beast?yes the ar lets you hit more and thus do more dmg, str is needed to be able to wear CoA.

[SicHalo]

Also grief+beast has a higher dmg output due to grief+grief due to the ow and fana aura and not to mention the needed strenght.

Also no a bvb will not take on a caster i can bet my hat if i bought a hammmerdin or any type of caster to a bvb duel game that most if not all the bvbs would die.

the fact is a bvb is not built for casters hence its only mele, its too slow frame wise with tele, lacks leap which is needed to catch most casters, lacks res or res stack gear which is needed, lack the life size which gives it a good tanking advantage.

Also other charms to sport are life/res scs a few of these sort u out with nice stack. Also although umed wizzys are usefull these are only ever used vs uber defensive sorcs due bringing u to the 105% fcr bp, gives high mana resources as well as huge res stack, and the fact u deal ur dmg in ow to "bleed" the high es sorces to death then finish off with the duel doom aura.

However duel wizzys is not really used as a highly defensive sorc or char imo is not even worth dueling.

[Tankmobile]

^^ i just whirl away...and they end up either teleing onto me...or trying to outflank, and as long as whirls are kept short/mid distance, never fails vs smiters/hammers.
yes a sorc or assa can kill me easy....but its a bvb and not meant to duel them :smiley: but having a pdia in sotrm gives time to run back to town and wait for the muppet to realise that its a bvb game and they are not welcome :grin:

[Ce Olba]

^^ i just whirl away...and they end up either teleing onto me...or trying to outflank, and as long as whirls are kept short/mid distance, never fails vs smiters/hammers.

Apparently you are talking about totally skilless PvPers here. Not a single half-decent Hammerdin or Smiter would ever follow you more than twice if you keep whirling away. Most of them will start to abuse that fact a lot and that's when you end up dead unless you have another strategy.

yes a sorc or assa can kill me easy....but its a bvb and not meant to duel them :smiley: but having a pdia in sotrm gives time to run back to town and wait for the muppet to realise that its a bvb game and they are not welcome :grin:

It's not about being welcome. You're acting a bit racial there. "You are of a different class, thus you are not welcome". Quite a racial phrase, isn't it? Or how about "I'm of class A and you are of class B and class A doesn't like class B so you are not welcome." Even worse. And yes, I am serious.

[Tankmobile]

if somebody makes a game called "barb v barb" or "barb duels" it's not unnatural to assume those within, just want to duel that class.
and the majority of people that do enter these games with a hammer smiter, are usually skill less :smiley:

[mainaman]

if somebody makes a game called "barb v barb" or "barb duels" it's not unnatural to assume those within, just want to duel that class.
and the majority of people that do enter these games with a hammer smiter, are usually skill less :smiley:
how is that relevant to the topic of the post?

[Tankmobile]

how is that relevant to the topic of the post?

how was ce olba's? or yours for that matter?

[Barloc]

Apparently you are talking about totally skilless PvPers here. Not a single half-decent Hammerdin or Smiter would ever follow you more than twice if you keep whirling away. Most of them will start to abuse that fact a lot and that's when you end up dead unless you have another strategy.

True, and yet good BvB's know this already. Carrying CoA,Widow, Enigma,Arach and Various res/sorb items doesn't make you a great dueler overall- no way. However, commonly used against weak characters that come to the table, iso- easy gold/cheap thrills in the BvB games. Unfortunately, not all are weak....

It's not about being welcome. You're acting a bit racial there. "You are of a different class, thus you are not welcome". Quite a racial phrase, isn't it? Or how about "I'm of class A and you are of class B and class A doesn't like class B so you are not welcome." Even worse. And yes, I am serious.

Well depends on how you look at it. It's more like Ultimate fighting and Boxing.
Boxing is classed based on weight, and not a totally unpopular sport. I don't see much point in a heavy-weight boxer fighting a feather weight, and in contrast, i don't see much of a point in a highly skilled desync/hammer joining a BvB game. BvC's join the rank of Ultimate fighters, without class constraints and a different set of rules. All of you are serious duelers, BvC,BvB,BvA or whatever class you like, and deserve a certain level of respect that seems to be slipping away here.

[kingdryland]

Tank,you should duel my zealot one of these days (when i get the freaking time).

[mainaman]

how was ce olba's? or yours for that matter?This one wasn't , but then again the guy wants to know what to chage , and when he was given advice to make BvC as most logical build due to its versatility you come and start talking how your bvb beats casters... Maybe you don't see it but that sounds ridiculos!
Please tell us a real reason why should he keep that barb and how is he going to beat any caster that knows what they are doing ?
If you can't support your statements then maybe you shouldnt post , not to mention all the ot crap about how annoying is for csaters to join your bvb games- a topic totaly not related to the subject under discussion here.

[Tankmobile]

im saying that instead of wasting the time he has spent making it...just use it for bvb which IMO, is fun :smiley:
the v casters ting is a security measure so you dont get 1 hit killed running ot town....
@kingdryland i'd love to duel your zealot :smiley: got a zealer myself always fancied dueling with :grin:

[SicHalo]

The rite the fact that bvc is the most logical build due to versatility and u mention a bvb i find it a tad ridiculous as well. And about wasting time, every serious pvp player knows if their build has a flaw or they want to incorporate something into the build u have to remake it, simple as. I have remade my barb and ww/trapper a few times im currently making my ww/trapper (when i find time) again i raised it to lvl 90 but found areas i could improve on. This is how u get the full potential out of ur build.

The bottom line is bvb is not ment for a caster, sure u can beat a few measily weak unskilled casters, but what u gonna do when ur dealling with skilled people, the only options u have left is dying or leave the game.

[sirwhere]

bvb between lancers was quite fun back in the days of D2C :)

[Ce Olba]

im saying that instead of wasting the time he has spent making it...just use it for bvb which IMO, is fun :smiley:

You know what, as soon as I get a 20 stats torch, I'm remaking my BvC due to the additional +4 to vitality that I will gain (it's a total of +44 life after bo). And that will be the 3rd remake already, all of them which have been for small reasons:
1st remake: from 40/40 to pure vita
2nd remake: from pure vita to 65/49
3rd remake (will be) from 65/49 to 63/47

You know, the 1st BvC of mine ended up as 54/49 at lvl 91. You know why I didn't just level him up twice for a perfect BvC? Because of the name: AkC-DoomWarrior. It looked horrible.

You know Stoutewolf, right? He remade his lvl 99 wolf, to another lvl 99 one. Waste of time? I don't think so. The pre-PvP events are all about perfection. You get the best gear you can, you get the character to the optimal level or the level that you prefer, you stat them perfectly. After that, you go to the field.

the v casters ting is a security measure so you dont get 1 hit killed running ot town....

Now, how manly is that?
"Eek, a skinny lady in green is chasing me! I need to look for cover!!!"

Just how manly is that? And the extra resistances won't help you for a crap when you have -200 LR or -260 CR at your face.

[Barloc]

You know Stoutewolf, right? He remade his lvl 99 wolf, to another lvl 99 one. Waste of time? I don't think so.

If there are cash prizes or hot chicks at the end of that accomplishment, count me in:afro: