Max BLOCK vs ALL VITALITY PVP BONE NERCO!!!!

[Camintoi]

I was just wondering, I got like 200 unused stat points on my 90 bone nerco and I'm just thinking, would it be better to go max block or all vit route? There are two things i was thinking, if i went all vit that would be better, because the majority of chars are casters, therefore max block doesn't do sh!t. Also if your going against a bvc or whatnot, even if you had max block, if he got you in a good whirlwind your probably dead anyways because he will hit you a couple of times and your life will be lower b/c of the extra dex points invested. So judging on these facts, and an aditional factor that some people do have a life other than d2 and CANNOT make two bone nercs, 1 with max block and 1 with max vit. Then would it be best to go with all vit?

[Da warrior]

i would go max block if i have the perfect gears. if all ur fcr circle, rings, ammy, belt and boots give dex. u wouldn't even have to sacrafice many stats pts for max block. with pefect gears, u only sacrafice 40-50 stats pts, thats really not much life.

[Ce Olba]

Before I say anything, I have to say that it's 6:48 in the morning and I just woke up.

There are two things i was thinking, if i went all vit that would be better, because the majority of chars are casters, therefore max block doesn't do sh!t.

It's like, cool that you think so and all. And now, would you like me to report you for trying to bypass the word filter? Yes, that nice word including the exclamation mark is count as a rule violation as far as I know.

And no, most characters are not casters.

Also if your going against a bvc or whatnot, even if you had max block, if he got you in a good whirlwind your probably dead anyways because he will hit you a couple of times and your life will be lower b/c of the extra dex points invested.

Let's see.
You have 200 points. That would give you ~800 life or so. Now, the max block, on the other hand, gives you an effective amount of +75% life due to the blocking. So, if 75% of your life>800 life, then get the max block, if not, then don't. It's all about life benefits. You can, and most likely will, get more effectively life for those melee'ers via max block, unless your necro, as stated, has 800 life (with about ~200-260 points spent in vitality, I don't see that happening).

So judging on these facts

Yeah right and if I tell you that I'm Jesus, will you worship me?

and an aditional factor that some people do have a life other than d2 and CANNOT make two bone nercs

Nice indirect insult, now you will get reported for two reasons.

1 with max block and 1 with max vit. Then would it be best to go with all vit?

Think for yourself. If 800>75% of your life, then yes, if not, then no.

[Austere]

How much %block would he ultimately have if he didn't invest points into dex? That too should be included with the +800 life.

And I'm sure that was a comment made out of ignorance, not an attempt to be insulting.

[rachil0]

It depends on what shield you use. If you use a naturally high-block, fast-block shield (homonculous, stormshield, whitstans, rhyme) I would max out your block. If it's more along the lines of a spirit monarch for higher FCR, I'd skip it... investing all 200 points won't even get you to max block unless you have a lot of +dex equipment.

You can always keep a blocking shield in your stash for duels vs. melee. I'd say either whitstans guard (very low dex required for max block) or stormshield (big %DR boost in addition to nice blocking, if you use spirit monarch you're already in the ballpark on strength) would be the best stash options. I know stash space is at a real premium though.

OT: Ce Olba, what's with the iEgo? Would you seriously talk to someone like that face-to-face?

[Hyphy]

I was just wondering, I got like 200 unused stat points on my 90 bone nerco and I'm just thinking, would it be better to go max block or all vit route? There are two things i was thinking, if i went all vit that would be better, because the majority of chars are casters, therefore max block doesn't do sh!t. Also if your going against a bvc or whatnot, even if you had max block, if he got you in a good whirlwind your probably dead anyways because he will hit you a couple of times and your life will be lower b/c of the extra dex points invested. So judging on these facts, and an aditional factor that some people do have a life other than d2 and CANNOT make two bone nercs, 1 with max block and 1 with max vit. Then would it be best to go with all vit?


Bad idea, If you go max block, then you need 125fcr/86fhr. Which is Almost impossible with out x2 fcr rings, +2/15+fcr Crafted Amulet. Which is going to take quite of bit of currency, or Crafting.175dex for max block. Instead of Pure vit, Ez breakpoints

[PMurillo]

i came upon this topic browsing earlier pages:
therefore max block doesn't do sh!t.
u never dueled PvP (max GA) bowazon have you?

[Xombie]

High DR% and vita can work just as fine as high DR% and block.

The important thing is high DR%.

If you use vita, you'll find yourself running alot more against physical chars. That's about it.

[Ce Olba]

OT: Ce Olba, what's with the iEgo? Would you seriously talk to someone like that face-to-face?

It was a morning. I'm not a morning type of a person. And yes, I do talk like that. So what? I'm not some 20-years-old dude, so I'm not at a risk of getting beaten to near-death, so why should I be scared or anything?

How much %block would he ultimately have if he didn't invest points into dex? That too should be included with the +800 life.

Let's see... 36.85% blocking at lvl 90 with the following +dex:

25 base
40 torch+anni
40 circlet + amulet
9 jewel in circlet

That's with a non-eld Stormshield. With an Elded one, it would be 40.7%. With a Spirit Monarch, the blocking would be 23.1%.

[GcGX]

Depends what shield your using, If it's a spirit then go with Vit, if not then max block wouldn't hurt. But in my opinion max block on a necro in unnecessary if you know how to use a necro properly using tele with enigma. With max block or with all vit you can still get 1 hit by melee toons. I always go with vitality because it's helped tons, max block has never helped me out on a necro (i've tried it on two necro's before wasn't really happy with the choice)

[Da warrior]

the choice is sample:
if u r rich go with max block, b/c u can afford nice fcr gears with dex on them and lifer skill gcs
if u have a tight budged, go with vita.
its as sample as that.

[PMurillo]

@Xombie - high %DR is actually not much of a difference since the cap became 50%.
vita is more straight thinking approach - you will survive 1-2? maybe 3 GAs in any case.
block is a bit more risky but u got 75% chance to completely avoid those attacks but can survive say... 2 at most.
It is also a factor - which shield one wants to use. As for me - I only aim for dex to have max block with homunc. and rather shifting armors (shaftstop + shako +ber in homunc = 48%)

@GcGX - obvious that nigma tele abuser can't handle it with max block ^_^.

[Arkardo]

It's like, cool that you think so and all. And now, would you like me to report you for trying to bypass the word filter? Yes, that nice word including the exclamation mark is count as a rule violation as far as I know.

Nice indirect insult, now you will get reported for two reasons.

Don't forget the title that's written almost completely in capitals.

[Xombie]

@Xombie - high %DR is actually not much of a difference since the cap became 50%.
vita is more straight thinking approach - you will survive 1-2? maybe 3 GAs in any case.
block is a bit more risky but u got 75% chance to completely avoid those attacks but can survive say... 2 at most.
It is also a factor - which shield one wants to use. As for me - I only aim for dex to have max block with homunc. and rather shifting armors (shaftstop + shako +ber in homunc = 48%)

High DR% is extremely important, I don't know what you're talking about.

Golem stack, bone armor, DR% does a lot to stop attacks.

I would rather have high dr% vita than max block with low dr% with a homun. (Assuming you don't have another huge source of dr%).

Of course, high dr% + Max block would be the best of both worlds; I wouldn't suggest it if you can't afford lifers though.

[soul killer]

I was just wondering, I got like 200 unused stat points on my 90 bone nerco and I'm just thinking, would it be better to go max block or all vit route? There are two things i was thinking, if i went all vit that would be better, because the majority of chars are casters, therefore max block doesn't do sh!t. Also if your going against a bvc or whatnot, even if you had max block, if he got you in a good whirlwind your probably dead anyways because he will hit you a couple of times and your life will be lower b/c of the extra dex points invested. So judging on these facts, and an aditional factor that some people do have a life other than d2 and CANNOT make two bone nercs, 1 with max block and 1 with max vit. Then would it be best to go with all vit?

50DR 75% Block is better than an all Vita build.

End of story.

Read my guide if you have anymore questions.

[RareBear]

50DR 75% Block is better than an all Vita build.

End of story.

Read my guide if you have anymore questions.

100% Agreed

[Hyphy]

i came upon this topic browsing earlier pages:

u never dueled PvP (max GA) bowazon have you?

GA=Shael' SS.
@lvl 90 Nerco needs around 175Dex for max blck.


Items-Torch/Anni-40,Hoto-10,x2Raven's-40,Marrows'-18

That is around 93Dex.

Thats' around 50% Block. That can be achieved w/ 75fcr.Take of 10dex&fall down to around 45%, and you snap on DoomZ, around 80%Slow+Bwall= Overr....

[soul killer]

GA=Shael' SS.
@lvl 90 Nerco needs around 175Dex for max blck.


Items-Torch/Anni-40,Hoto-10,x2Raven's-40,Marrows'-18

That is around 93Dex.

Thats' around 50% Block. That can be achieved w/ 75fcr.Take of 10dex&fall down to around 45%, and you snap on DoomZ, around 80%Slow+Bwall= Overr....


Eww.

You need 50DR, 125FCR and 75% Block.

DoomZ isnt needed.

[Xombie]

Any pvp nec needs high DR%.

Vita or block.

[Ce Olba]

GA=Shael' SS.
@lvl 90 Nerco needs around 175Dex for max blck.


Items-Torch/Anni-40,Hoto-10,x2Raven's-40,Marrows'-18

That is around 93Dex.

Thats' around 50% Block.

51.8% assuming all of those items are perfect.

.Take of 10dex&fall down to around 45%, and you snap on DoomZ, around 80%Slow+Bwall= Overr....

Let's see. Doom means crappy FCR unless you are using some absolutely godly circlet and amulets or fcr rings + belt + gloves + circlet/amulet.

Also, most likely you wouldn't be wearing 2 ravens, but 2 sojs. That's a -40 dexterity. Now take away Hoto, that's a total of -50 dex. Makes up 30% blocking. Sorry to disappoint you.

Also, where does this 80% slow come from? +Slow% from items takes no effect with spells, and Doom adds IIRC 51% slow, not 80%.

[PMurillo]

Any pvp nec needs high DR%.

Vita or block.

answering to ur semiquestion statement to me "I don't know what are u talking about" - I was talking about vita vs block.
and that from the time the cap became 50% instead of 75% - there isn't much to worry about this = I didn't mean it is not important - i meant that 50% DR is achievable rather with not much sacrificials in items (contrary to achieving 75% before which meant using shaft + SS +shako).

[Xombie]

answering to ur semiquestion statement to me "I don't know what are u talking about" - I was talking about vita vs block.
and that from the time the cap became 50% instead of 75% - there isn't much to worry about this = I didn't mean it is not important - i meant that 50% DR is achievable rather with not much sacrificials in items (contrary to achieving 75% before which meant using shaft + SS +shako).

The problem is when some people gear up their vita necs they use Spirit and forget to equip other items with huge DR% boosts.

[soul killer]

The problem is when some people gear up their vita necs they use Spirit and forget to equip other items with huge DR% boosts.

Thats why Max Block is better :thumbsup:

[PMurillo]

Thats why Max Block is better :thumbsup:

that's what I mean all the time :prop: