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Just had some fun duels with a good freind.:smiley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEtrPzQq2mg
I guess my main weakness was my lack of poison resist wich was only 35%.
Hard as heck to get out of traps and mind blasts also.
~Wolf growl~
So how does everyone else fight an assasin with there necro or visa versa?
TheRisingX
08-03-2007, 03:47
Nice duels wolfie :)
Ollie hacks.. XDDD j/k
Wolfie wanna duel my ghost too? I wanna see how it is in ur perspective..if you can fraps it that'd be great :)
MysticDragon
08-03-2007, 05:44
You should record me and you. :P
Just saw the video. You like Spirit trains on the opposite direction. Wonder where that came from. :wink:
CaptnSparrow
08-03-2007, 05:49
I've dueled Ollie a couple times when he played eXe_Nekisi, guy's pretty impressive. He had some great namelocking and good control.
I honestly think any type of caster is at a disadvantage against someone who's played a Wwsin and gotten good. There's not much you can do.
MysticDragon
08-03-2007, 05:55
I don't know. Try playing a bit more defensive instead of trying to tank. You'll need a full belt of mana.
Smithenator
08-03-2007, 06:09
Only advice I can give(from seeing how succesful necros duel vs me) is to stay defensive. Also, that poison res will destroy you, absolutely get it up to 75%, those ww really hurt without maxed poison res.
I wouldnt mind dueling you, I dont get to duel many good players that often, mostly just pubbing and the duels vs friends
soul killer
08-03-2007, 06:36
Duel Me plzz? BoneNec and WWsin
Nice duel btw, Ive dueled Ollie with my Nec and you obviously know the outcome...
No idea how to beat a good WWsin, havent dueled many good ones.
CaptnSparrow
08-03-2007, 06:39
Woah Kiba, I just remembered.
You said you used Shadow Dancers right? What would it look like if you switched in Treks against him instead? That poison res would help muchooo. I'd definitely exchange the blocking you get from them for the resist.
soul killer
08-03-2007, 06:51
But if he switches to Treks, he'll have 56FHR instead of 86FHR.
But on the other hand the psn res will hlp against venom.
Catch 22 situation.
Smithenator
08-03-2007, 07:01
imo the poison res will be worth the switch, that 35% is just wretched
wizAdept
08-03-2007, 07:31
So how does everyone else fight an assasin with there necro or visa versa?Im actually in the middle of editing a asn vs necro video at the moment. Me vs Jai on d2pk. Should be done by this weekend and on youtube. ~.^
soul killer
08-03-2007, 07:48
But then the MB and that Fire Traps stun will have a much better effect.
Im actually in the middle of editing a asn vs necro video at the moment. Me vs Jai on d2pk. Should be done by this weekend and on youtube. ~.^
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So it's no surprise I got raped LOL.
I swear kLd has 90% clawblock x.x
wizAdept
08-03-2007, 07:58
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HappyAssassin
08-03-2007, 08:47
That looks pretty sloppy from my end :(. Vids are actually a good place to look for holes in my game. For example, when I run out of your spam, if I don't run down you can hit me easier. The long WWs are by design though (in case yall think I'm crappy at triwhirls), I find that if I whirlwind tight I get hit with trailing spirits. The real point is to get OW in there anyway. Also the WW lock was a stupid mistake, I'm just lucky WB saved me.
Also, and this is for all necros, you're dueling a WW char with block, there's no shame in being defensive. If there's one thing to change, that would be it. Teleport more and spam more BS, it makes it difficult to setup locks without getting hit. Also if a sin is WWing at you like an idiot (take duel #2) predict that the WW will desync a little bit and move before it gets to you.
wizAdept
08-03-2007, 08:51
roflz that was j00 happy? you were playing so sloppy..
wizAdept
08-03-2007, 09:01
watched it again, the first duel was played pretty well from your side actually happy. The second one wtf you namelocked him for like a screenlong whirl, Kiba really should have exploited that and kill you there but he let you recover from the namelockwhirl for some strange reason. Third duel really should have been won by Kiba but he ran into traps Lol. btw Kiba if you get asns to that low hp, start using teeth in between your spirits, its gg.
HappyAssassin
08-03-2007, 10:18
Yeah I couldn't believe I lived through NL WW either. These are the duels that were close, which also means these were the duels when I messed up. I seem to remember a few more that were weighted my way. :afro:
Anyway I agree its sloppy. :(
soul killer
08-03-2007, 10:22
Sloppy but still entertaining and educational to watch :thumbsup:
wow i finally got to see ollie duel. good stuffs.
i cant wait till ladder drops so i can duel all of you :)
anyway to kill ghost hybrid builds with a nec you must play defensive and spam tons of bspirits. if you consider an occasional bonewall gm then that will help you as well when ollie comes in for the ww.
hum ... I'm actually a bit surprised. I don't understand the playstyle of both players really.
I play ww/ls/kick sin myself, and when I duel a necro that walks around so much as Kiba did in this duel, it's pretty easy to get him traplocked really fast, and DT him. If he escapes your traps, chainlock as you've seen it in wizadepts vids like 100 times.
I mean, if you watch the vid from 2:54 till 3:14 or ~4:12, the assassin should clearly have been able to lock the nec down or at least deal a huge amount of damage.
After all, I find the necro is not defensive enough, being (in my eyes) to easy to catch, and the assassin does not do everything within her power once she got on the necro's screen and all in all does not play aggressive enough.
btw @ Kiba, why do you actually walk around so much? The only reasons I can image is not to get namelocked as easily, and still keeping block.
But hey, an initial psy hammer and following MB (again, as wiz often uses to do ;)) would counter that pretty much I think.
Or do I miss anything?
I've seen a lot of vids by you, Kiba, and read a lot of posts by you, Happy, and I know you both know a lot about what you're doing, so don't get me wrong, but IMHO this is no high-quality duelling.
HappyAssassin
08-03-2007, 20:47
Hey guys, since this poor showing I've been motivated to make some vids, I did some duels with another friend's necro today. He's a different style (more tele/bs) but imo they are better. Will post once they are done. By the way, whats the best program to edit fraps with?
Hey guys, since this poor showing I've been motivated to make some vids, I did some duels with another friend's necro today. He's a different style (more tele/bs) but imo they are better. Will post once they are done. By the way, whats the best program to edit fraps with?
Compress first with virtual dub then finish it with windows movie maker imo <.<
CaptnSparrow
08-03-2007, 23:39
Dancers give 30 fhr.
He can easily use Treks and swap one Lifer GC for FHR Gc. The vitality from Treks balances the life loss that he gets from GC switch.
Dancers give 30 fhr.
He can easily use Treks and swap one Lifer GC for FHR Gc. The vitality from Treks balances the life loss that he gets from GC switch.
No it doesn't. +vitality isn't increased by battle orders.
HappyAssassin
09-03-2007, 03:35
Yo, another set of vids for yall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymhxVdHgqAo
These are better I think, vs. another friend of mine. Also worth checking out are the vids by Namelock on youtube, he's got a wicked triwhirl that's pretty insperational.
The first duel where I die is a good example of what a bad WW will do to you.
Btw I realize the lack of either music or game sound is a little dull, this is my first vid so I was focused on getting it right. If people want to see more I can duel BvCs, Hdins, Bowazons, Smiters or other chars, maybe I'll make a video add on to my guide.
mainaman
09-03-2007, 04:19
Compress first with virtual dub then finish it with windows movie maker imo <.<
you can use windows movie maker withought vdub. My last vid I posted on youtube, I did like that and it is 8 min vid of 6 mb size with the music ... how about that???
Also I for some reason updated the divX codec and now i cant compress avi with vdub.
Anyway editing with windows moviemaker only works pretty well.
Nice vid. It showed how a necro needs to be defensive v's a ww/trapper, because once the sin gets on the same screen and can get nl for mb/traps the necro is in big trouble.
Claw block is a huge bonus for sin's in this duel, just to state the obvious!
mainaman
09-03-2007, 04:22
Yo, another set of vids for yall.
These are better I think, vs. another friend of mine. Also worth checking out are the vids by Namelock on youtube, he's got a wicked triwhirl that's pretty insperational.
The first duel where I die is a good example of what a bad WW will do to you.
Btw I realize the lack of either music or game sound is a little dull, this is my first vid so I was focused on getting it right. If people want to see more I can duel BvCs, Hdins, Bowazons, Smiters or other chars, maybe I'll make a video add on to my guide.
these are nice :thumbsup:
I guess you can reedit the vid and add music?
MysticDragon
09-03-2007, 04:24
Just wondering... Are you using a full version of fraps? How does it affect your fps?
CaptnSparrow
09-03-2007, 04:43
No it doesn't. +vitality isn't increased by battle orders.
Point being? It still acts as a balance.
mainaman
09-03-2007, 04:58
Just wondering... Are you using a full version of fraps? How does it affect your fps?
im using full version of fraps.
My fps is same as with no fraps-60 fps.
The thingis that fraps is abit capricios and one has to do adgustments with the vid card software so fraps runs smootly or at least thats my experiance.
I am using ATI mobility radeon on my laptop and I had to d/l some old version of Catalyst so my fraps actually works fine. A thing I saw tho is that even if my ping goes up my lag dont change ,but then when i edid the vid it shows as lag during the duel- i think thats a bit weird...
wizAdept
09-03-2007, 05:05
Yo, another set of vids for yall.
These are better I think, vs. another friend of mine. Also worth checking out are the vids by Namelock on youtube, he's got a wicked triwhirl that's pretty insperational.
The first duel where I die is a good example of what a bad WW will do to you.
Yeah that first duel your whirls are way way too long. It looked like you were lagging like crazy while recording during the rest of that vid.
Try hypercam, I started using it recently cause it records in windowed mode (I can't stand to play fullscreen anymore) and getting like 110+ fps while recording, much better than fraps. Although fraps does produce better videos if your comp can support it, Ive had (still having) some problems with hypercam, mainly the problem of recording sound.
And yeah TienJe is amazing at his triwhirls. Anyone who hasn't seen his vids definitely should.
MysticDragon
09-03-2007, 05:15
Yeah that first duel your whirls are way way too long. It looked like you were lagging like crazy while recording during the rest of that vid.
Try hypercam, I started using it recently cause it records in windowed mode (I can't stand to play fullscreen anymore) and getting like 110+ fps while recording, much better than fraps. Although fraps does produce better videos if your comp can support it, Ive had (still having) some problems with hypercam, mainly the problem of recording sound.
And yeah TienJe is amazing at his triwhirls. Anyone who hasn't seen his vids definitely should.
Wow, he does have nice whirls. What realm is he on? East NL?
That looks pretty sloppy from my end :(. Vids are actually a good place to look for holes in my game. For example, when I run out of your spam, if I don't run down you can hit me easier. The long WWs are by design though (in case yall think I'm crappy at triwhirls), I find that if I whirlwind tight I get hit with trailing spirits. The real point is to get OW in there anyway. Also the WW lock was a stupid mistake, I'm just lucky WB saved me.
Also, and this is for all necros, you're dueling a WW char with block, there's no shame in being defensive. If there's one thing to change, that would be it. Teleport more and spam more BS, it makes it difficult to setup locks without getting hit. Also if a sin is WWing at you like an idiot (take duel #2) predict that the WW will desync a little bit and move before it gets to you.
@ the comment about the long whirls. I know what you mean. I find it a bit hard to hit him and not get hit by his Spirits because of his max block. I prefer a Barb's whirlwind because of the speed. It makes it a bit easier.
HappyAssassin
09-03-2007, 05:28
Fraps gives me a pretty nasty spot of lag, but its kinda managable. I did have the frustrating experience of trying to fraps duels against a sync hammerdin today. The combo of desync and the extra fraps lag made things pretty much impossible.
TheRisingX
09-03-2007, 06:41
Jake wolfie mind looking me up for some duels still?? I kind of want to see how I do, and get some feedback too. :)
*therisingx1
So this proves it, I'm the only one that actually has ww on the left side?
no, I play ww on left as well. ;) I just feel a lot more comfortable like that.
I don't have to hit as much keys when tele/wwing ... but I think it's not a big difference, I'm just used to ww on left since I've played a barb for the first time and see no reason why not to whirl on left.
means I got 2 hotkeys on left - DT and WW.
/e: This 'Namelock' really got nice wws, really nice. But one thing that I noticed (nothing to do with his godly wws now, but anyway) is that he often fails to pot mana early enough. I've seen him several times forced to back away from tanking with wws cuz of his empty mana pool =(
soul killer
09-03-2007, 23:23
So this proves it, I'm the only one that actually has ww on the left side?
I have WW on Left Side too and I like It!!!
Wooho, in almost EVERY vid.. I see ppl using ww on the right and im thinking to myself.. why waste that valuable split second switching hotkeys when you can just tap shift and triwhirl with EASE.
Smithenator
09-03-2007, 23:43
I personally use ww on my right key because it takes less effort for me to press the ww key than the shift key with my hotkey configuration, although I suppose if I redid them it could work. Just a preference, I doubt either is better than the other.
Its prolly not, buy my hotkeys are centerd @ zxcv/asdf/qe/ so tapping shift isnt a problem
Wooho, in almost EVERY vid.. I see ppl using ww on the right and im thinking to myself.. why waste that valuable split second switching hotkeys when you can just tap shift and triwhirl with EASE.
Because you have a greater chance of ww locks due to having to reclick.
Also there's often a slight delay when switching from right to left click too quickly.
The risk of misclicking with the right button forcing you to stop is a greater risk to. It actually helps me preform fast pased triwhirls.
MysticDragon
10-03-2007, 01:01
Wooho, in almost EVERY vid.. I see ppl using ww on the right and im thinking to myself.. why waste that valuable split second switching hotkeys when you can just tap shift and triwhirl with EASE.
It's always left click berserk/conc/talon for me. I'm just used to a right click whirl.
wizAdept
10-03-2007, 01:40
It's always left click berserk/conc/talon for me. I'm just used to a right click whirl.
Right click makes more sense to me cause I use mouse1 to run around, if I click on a wolf or something it'll lock me into WW which I dont want, I can always click elsewhere quick if I click with a melee attack on a summon or something. If WW is on right click I know Im only using WW when I want to use WW.
Another reason is leftclick melee attack (dclaw, talon, ect) means I can chainlock with tele. I also like having that melee attack option on rightclick, the conflict this causes is you can't have a single skill hotkeyed with two different hotkeys for left/right click, this means leftclick has to be premenantly set to the melee attack to allow the option of both left/right for the skill.
I got a legit reason why i suck so bad with my necromancer.
~ "Growl woof grrr my wolf paws are not designed to play them grrrr...." ~ :hide:
Arbedark
10-03-2007, 02:11
Wooho, in almost EVERY vid.. I see ppl using ww on the right and im thinking to myself.. why waste that valuable split second switching hotkeys when you can just tap shift and triwhirl with EASE.
Takes longer to switch from right click to left click then back to right click than to switch hotkeys. Can switch hotkeys in the 10-9 frames tele is taking place, then switch back during ww and never miss a beat. Instead of having to switch mouse buttons.
MysticDragon
10-03-2007, 02:42
I got a legit reason why i suck so bad with my necromancer.
~ "Growl woof grrr my wolf paws are not designed to play them grrrr...." ~ :hide:
Jake, come on and duel me. :)
soul killer
10-03-2007, 03:33
And me ^^
PS; Try using All the Bone skills on the left and just tele/golem/decrep. on the right.
imo its much more easier.
A S X and pinky on the shift :)
MysticDragon
10-03-2007, 04:06
And me ^^
PS; Try using All the Bone skills on the left and just tele/golem/decrep. on the right.
imo its much more easier.
A S X and pinky on the shift :)
No unsummon or throw?
soul killer
10-03-2007, 04:41
Nah I dont know how to use all those delays and locks.
Too complex for me.
Another reason is leftclick melee attack (dclaw, talon, ect) means I can chainlock with tele.
I also like kicking nonblock casters a lot, and chainlocking with tele is indeed a really effective technique.
That's why i decided to set 2 hotkeys for left mouse:
q = whirl and w = DT
I usually have whirl selected on left, because I want to be able to whirl south as fast as possible when e.g. a desync hammerdin suddenly telelocks me, so I don't have to switch skills first AND shift at once.
When I want to tele-talon, I just press 'w' while teleing, just like a telesmiter does, and reset whirlwind again when my chainlock is broken. This is already a kind of reflex for me so I don't have any problems with switching keys.
I just play and my fingers automatically do what I want without thinking about it^^ I guess you know what I mean.
Takes longer to switch from right click to left click then back to right click than to switch hotkeys. Can switch hotkeys in the 10-9 frames tele is taking place, then switch back during ww and never miss a beat. Instead of having to switch mouse buttons.
Yea but your wierd -.- and you quit so.. your opinions arent valid!
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