View Full Version : How often do you meet ww/trappers?
Lately I've seen this type of dueler been called cookiecutter and mainstream, this strikes me as odd because on europe ( so far) I've met 2 other serious ww/trappers. 2.., on ladder.
Are they THAT commen on Useast/West?
GalenDoUrden
07-03-2007, 19:56
Nah, in pub's I'm the only one in there. I've only ever met another hybrid on East and that was from discussions on this forum.
superjayson
07-03-2007, 20:00
I think I've seen one on east... but im not even sure if he used any traps.
It's weird how different it is on each realm. On west I know there is a number of fury/rabies druids, but on east every wolf I find is pure fury.
akumaxxyz
07-03-2007, 21:03
you see very little on west lad, its infested with hdins and smiters these days.
Thoridian
07-03-2007, 21:19
Lately I've seen this type of dueler been called cookiecutter and mainstream, this strikes me as odd because on europe ( so far) I've met 2 other serious ww/trappers. 2.., on ladder.
Are they THAT commen on Useast/West?
Ive seen like 5 ww/trapsins in the past ~2 weeks on eu nld who knew what they were doing...
I dont play nld, hence why I asked for ladder specific =)
Btw, do you still play?
Smithenator
07-03-2007, 22:14
Meh, they used to be REALLY common it seems on west lad, not so much anymore.
There weren't any good hybridsins on east ladder. Ever. =/
Dennis_KoreanGuy
07-03-2007, 22:32
I saw one in aisle 5 on Wal Mart the other day.
Good thing I immediately desynched by her with my shopping cart of haste.
mainaman
07-03-2007, 23:27
Lately I've seen this type of dueler been called cookiecutter and mainstream, this strikes me as odd because on europe ( so far) I've met 2 other serious ww/trappers. 2.., on ladder.
Are they THAT commen on Useast/West?there is many of them on d2pk, i have met some on east ladder , but they were definetely weak...
HappyAssassin
08-03-2007, 00:14
There was a period on WSCL when they were literally everywhere, like one every 2 pubs. The problem is that WW/Trapsins take time and effort to play right, which means that most people give up on the build after a few days of dying in pubs. I see em once in a while now, mostly they are pretty underfunded but a few are good.
TheRisingX
08-03-2007, 03:36
Yea, on West SCL I see them here and there, but 90% or higher have no idea what they are doing.
hmm there are a few on nl that know how to play, plus i also use one although it is being rebuilt and im still looking for the perfect claw and was w8ing on a reset for some of the ladder items i attained :/.
And this build does have a step lean curve that why i liked this and my bvc as a ww/trapper played well can own casters easily.
mephiztophelez
08-03-2007, 06:49
Lately I've seen this type of dueler been called cookiecutter and mainstream, this strikes me as odd because on europe ( so far) I've met 2 other serious ww/trappers. 2.., on ladder.
Are they THAT commen on Useast/West?
they're becomming a more popular build, but yuh, west ladder is just chock full of noob'adins.
ww/kickers are much rarer than ww/trappers.
Yea, on West SCL I see them here and there, but 90% or higher have no idea what they are doing.
yup.
Dirty Scorpion
08-03-2007, 09:00
I've met 5.
1 is my clan mate,3 in pubbys 1 was pretty good other 2 were mediocre.The last one is my clan mate also but he stripped her.
Rabbitz did u count me also?:O cuz ive met you only in priv trade games and not in duel games ^^
there are numerous ww/ trap hybrids on west nl. i am good friends with most of them. i would say that there are at least 8 well known hybrids along with a handful of mediocre duelers. a few months ago there were upwards of 15. ive been selling off lots of my extra gear so hopefully more people will start building them.
i believe this build stays uncommon since there are a limited amount of dupes that can be utilized. most people dont have the patience to find the appropriate gear to make their sins viable in a competitive pvp environment.
Queen Mebd
08-03-2007, 14:24
i believe this build stays uncommon since there are a limited amount of dupes that can be utilized. most people dont have the patience to find the appropriate gear to make their sins viable in a competitive pvp environment.
Tis true, I've been trying to finish gearing mine up for a while now.
There weren't any good hybridsins on east ladder. Ever. =/
I don't know about Galen, and I'll freely admit I still haven't quite gotten the hang of the build yet, but I haven't run into any in pubs on escl yet. I keep coming across trappers who think my ls damage is too low and the occasional ghost, go figure.
I've met 5.
1 is my clan mate,3 in pubbys 1 was pretty good other 2 were mediocre.The last one is my clan mate also but he stripped her.
Rabbitz did u count me also?:O cuz ive met you only in priv trade games and not in duel games ^^
No I didnt, I meant just in pubbys ( I know of about 7 ww/trappers troughout ladder)
Ive seen like 5 ww/trapsins in the past ~2 weeks on eu nld who knew what they were doing...
Can you name them?
And, what's your ingame name? =)
I also know about ~5 ww/trap sins in eunl that are okay/good.
GalenDoUrden
08-03-2007, 16:23
Tis true, I've been trying to finish gearing mine up for a while now.
I don't know about Galen, and I'll freely admit I still haven't quite gotten the hang of the build yet, but I haven't run into any in pubs on escl yet. I keep coming across trappers who think my ls damage is too low and the occasional ghost, go figure.
Well I won't say that I'm great, but I'm not bad. The only char's that give me troubles are sorbing smiters and BvC's. The smiters are only a problem if they know what they are doing, if they just keep coming at me, they are simple as you just ww away.
As for other char's the only sorc that has really given me troubles is a clan mate on a light sorc and lately his blizzard sorc. He is a very good dueler though and has beaten the #1 on JSP east's ladder (possibly old #1 by now) before in an ft5.
My main problem, is I have started to ignore her, as I'm trying to find the perfect claw (have started imbueing as I figure it will give me a better chance then trading). Once I get her perfect claw I'm going to rebuild her.
DayDream
08-03-2007, 16:34
I see one in every pub game the rest are a bunch of hammers and tg sorc
i've been playin my ww/trap on east ladder for about 6mo (shadysadist). I rarrrely see another one, although I love duelin hybrids when I do. I'm thinking that people shy away from 'em because it's not a build you just go out and start owning with godly gear...takes a some time to get the hang of it. Plus, like Order said, you can't just go out and buy a bunch of uniques for the build. You pretty much have to search out gear for a while.
TheRisingX
09-03-2007, 06:46
Very true, a lot of people who probably never heard of the build could be throwing away nice +3LS GT's with Venom, MB or DF.
I play on USWSCL, I'm friends with other good WW/Trappers (probably the top ones on the realm)... Theres Aerial, BuneIV, Sfifteen, Smithenatroll and me, zZz_yAwN.
Well then, now that I heard how rare they are.. HOW are they mainstream and or cookiecutter?
Well then, now that I heard how rare they are.. HOW are they mainstream and or cookiecutter?
Wild white fluffy Rabitz are not mainstream, pretty rare imao. More mainstream are tamed ones... :grin:
Though I'm new to the pvp world I fail to see how this build can be called mainstream if there aren't that many around. Hammers, smiters and so on they are mainstream in my world anyways.
HappyAssassin
09-03-2007, 11:29
I'd guess they are called main stream because the build is pretty much figured out, the gear is around and their strengths and weaknesses are well known. I can't tell you how many people I've beaten who have s/e'd and come back with a BvC (I think it took a while for peeps to figure out that hammerdins are not a good solution). They aren't cookie cutter in the way that some clans are (windy, bvc, hammerdin, bowa, trapper, necro and thats it) but they are mainstream.
It's interesting that you don't see many trapper/ww'ers. I've seen 1 of these guys in the last month (which I'm tempted to experiment w/). With the right dr/res these guys can be evil. I dueled a guy the other day that claimed 2k ww/claw and 11k traps...ouch. After a couple rounds, the biggest thing I noticed, other than his traps tearing me up, was his claw block sucked. I usually am all over my opponents, but I learned real quick with her that I couldn't go toe to toe with traps on the ground. My whirls ate him up, but his traps gave him an advantage in an offensive/offensive situation...one extended ww and my life was poop.
Dirty Scorpion
09-03-2007, 15:53
Basically the only difference in ww/trap and trap/ww is what skillers player uses.
clairetay
09-03-2007, 16:32
theres this ww/trapper on west ladder recently "pecan" quite good i would say
Basically the only difference in ww/trap and trap/ww is what skillers player uses.
I disagree to an extent. You gotta devote add'l pts in some of the shadow disciplines (fade,cblock) that you wouldn't normally pump with shadow gcs to really cover all your bases. It's well worth it as far as trap dmg, because your trap gcs will blow away the synergies pts you would have used in a stndrd ww/trap build.
Although, that's not to say that you couldn't make a couple gear adjustments to a ww/trap including the shadow for trap gc switchout and still have a fairly solid pvp char.
It's interesting that you don't see many trapper/ww'ers. I've seen 1 of these guys in the last month (which I'm tempted to experiment w/). With the right dr/res these guys can be evil. I dueled a guy the other day that claimed 2k ww/claw and 11k traps...ouch. After a couple rounds, the biggest thing I noticed, other than his traps tearing me up, was his claw block sucked. I usually am all over my opponents, but I learned real quick with her that I couldn't go toe to toe with traps on the ground. My whirls ate him up, but his traps gave him an advantage in an offensive/offensive situation...one extended ww and my life was poop.
Thats still on the low side. Im nearly pushing 2.7k ww and 11k traps, 58% clawblock.
did you spend any more points in clawblock?
No, its on both of my claws.
HappyAssassin
10-03-2007, 05:02
theres this ww/trapper on west ladder recently "pecan" quite good i would say
wicker just started his WW/Trapper, he's a total beginner.
Smithenator
10-03-2007, 07:06
well total beginner is a bit harsh, although atm he is higher on gear than skill. That being said hes making improvements :) Wish I could get that fury back from him though, so hard to get a good fury around here..
clairetay
10-03-2007, 17:20
oh a beginner, i think he has good lifers
Rabbitz, I have a ww/trap hybrid assa on EU Ladder. I've had her a long while but I have 2 problems with her.
A) I'm new to assa's and my technique isn't that good yet. I usually Mb with a wof down, and lay ls around them, then i tele on then and ww and repeat. My problem is that basicly my char sucks. Any chance you could contact me via pm and give me some tips? I've been in an uber game with u so you might recognise the name :)
B) I havn't had the wealth to finish her, I usually duel in pub games at the moment and my ww dmg isn't bad but my traps are a lowly 3k. Would you say that you need some rpetty good gear just to make the char semi-viable?
That will depend, my version of the build can be competative with low/mid end gear. Im on right now so whisper me on *Rabby-SoV
The only ones I've ever seen on West Ladder are Happy, Smithenator, hunterkillerdawg, and that one guy...morbid428 from d2jsp named Pecan.
I guess you could include me and mephistophelez but we're WW/Kickers :P
The first three are all on my /f l :D
Smithenator
14-03-2007, 04:55
who is hunterkillerdawg's char, he texture?
btw, its morbid28, not 428 ;P
MysticDragon
14-03-2007, 05:45
who is hunterkillerdawg's char, he texture?
btw, its morbid28, not 428 ;P
No, he is not texture. I don't think he has a ww trapper anymore. I owe Pecan alot. He helped me grab my 95 body in a pub duel game when I died to a Lister pack by pressing the windows key.
The ones I remember are Pecan, Aerial, zzz_yawn, Clarinet, USB, and some others.
Von Lazuli
14-03-2007, 11:48
I can't think of many good ones on West NL, Trae is pretty good, and there are a few upcoming ones, but none I really know. I run into them every now and again, like, once every 2-3 days, but good ones are rare.
Laz
Forgot about Kurst... he just keeps building assassins... so the names and builds keep changing...
who is hunterkillerdawg's char, he texture?
btw, its morbid28, not 428 ;P
Oh forgot about texture. HKD had one, I don't know if he still does. It's just called HK_GG or something.
on west nl there are a couple great ww/ trap hybrids
rosettastoned
aos-soa
matzdazapper
supra
fyreghost/ fyreorder/ fyrelegacy (me)
some anubis_iii guy
trae is pretty good but i think he dismantled his sin. i bought a couple of his 36lifers and fools claws from him.
what is the name of ur character von lazuli? i might recognize.
Von Lazuli
15-03-2007, 09:53
Ah! So you are the Fyre person, it has been a little time since I ran into you... I have not come accross Rosettastoned or aos-soa, but I have run into Supra a couple of times, he is a very good sin...
I think you would recognise me... Anubii_III
Laz
ah yeah. ive dueled you before actually. your really good. im not sure if it was on my current sin or my old unfinished sin tho.
im pretty sure aos-soa is the best wwsin hybrid on west nl besides for my friend fyremaelstrom, but he doesnt play anymore. you should definately duel him sometime.
message me sometime and i can bring in all the great wwsins of west nl for a nice priv duel game.
a_new_order*
Growl~ Bleh
I run into newb trap/ww sins everytime i run into catalyst-pvp and kaiser-sose. ;)
They enjoy killin werewolves grrrrr!
Im Texture, but I took her apart and made Lmage(Looks like Image).
jazmaster
16-03-2007, 09:11
hi guys
im matzdazapper-- lvl 91 ww/traper
or any1 who no me on US west NL is dat im jaz =D
i kinda jst pvp on lld now mostli pub llds
neway i bein a ghost for a long time hmm actuali inactivated for quite a while now. i normali pk with fyre (order) or supra in jst random games. neway jst feel like sayin ghost is a pretty ideal chara to duel with if u can gather the gears suited for us.
i c a few of you r starting a ghost or a similar chara of ur own so i thought i mention some stuff.
gears are very important. it took Order at least 3 month to gather al his gear and now he can pretty much kill anythin(lol stupid fire/ww hax).
one of the biggest advantages of a ghost is claw block. its able to block al attacks(inc foh/cs/blzz/traps etc) and ofcoz thers the ww. most pple think ww is for offensive but for most ghost use it more of a way to move away from players lik smiters/ele droods/wwbarbs/hdins. i saw a post of a sin with
2k ww and 11k traps. he must b using al 9 trap gcs. however shadow gcs benefit you alot more then pure trap gcs. im guesing dats wat he use his ww for most of the time. anyway i jst like to add in my 2cents =D
hld--jazmaster777777
lld--jazmaster999999
p.s. gratz on makin a gg ghost order. bout time lol
East Ladder
I was in game today where I met a pretty decent WW/Trapper. Although it's been a couple hours since then, I think his name was "Proton". He left to fast though because all the newbs thought he was being lame.:rolleyes: Don't complain if you can't beat the person ^^.
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