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recently Iīve come across a smiter who I just could not beat. I swear I tried everything (except for a doom) but I just could not kill him, not even close. he was still at more then 40% of his life. My barb is lvl 91, he was 88.
My gear:
GriefZ 15ed / +400
CoA 31% dr
BeastZ 27x/ 40
Enigma
Highlords
Gores
Dual ravens
Dracs
Inv full of 3/1x/1x scs and four 10/7x/3x GcS
20/19 torch
20/15 anni
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Stats are following:
6.2k life with bo
9000ish ar
9000ish defense
As for the smiter, he claimed he had 15k defense, 5.1k life. He was wearing shako and was non-exile user (I couldnīt see his shield tho due to str bug).
I tried prebuffing with Demonlimb, using dual angelics ring + amu but I just couldnīt hit him. I also noticed strange thing: I could see flashes of lightning dmg (you know that small flash if something is dealt damage to) and fire dmg yet he didnīt loose even one life and even after hit he lost really low portion of life (like 1/15 or so). He also seemed to use some kind of hack (when he played his blizzer - he could aim me from like two screens away).
As for my technique Iīve never whirled right through him, tried to clip him but as said, didnīt help. As for his, he sometimes teled, most of the time he just shift-smitted on one spot.
Is my baba crap, my skill crap or was he just godlike smiter (or using some kind of hack?). And is there any way how to beat it? Iīve never had any probs with smiters, only this one was pain in the butt.
recently Iīve come across a smiter who I just could not beat. I swear I tried everything (except for a doom) but I just could not kill him, not even close. he was still at more then 40% of his life. My barb is lvl 91, he was 88.
My gear:
GriefZ 15ed / +400
CoA 31% dr
BeastZ 27x/ 40
Enigma
Highlords
Gores
Dual ravens
Dracs
Inv full of 3/1x/1x scs and four 10/7x/3x GcS
20/19 torch
20/15 anni
---------
Stats are following:
6.2k life with bo
9000ish ar
9000ish defense
As for the smiter, he claimed he had 15k defense, 5.1k life. He was wearing shako and was non-exile user (I couldnīt see his shield tho due to str bug).
Here is 1 of your problems, your CtH is merely 38.1%, before Blocking. After blocking, that's 9.53%. Use Angelics, get close to the same amount of AR as his defense to give a steady-ish 50% CtH before blocking.
I tried prebuffing with Demonlimb, using dual angelics ring + amu but I just couldnīt hit him. I also noticed strange thing: I could see flashes of lightning dmg (you know that small flash if something is dealt damage to) and fire dmg yet he didnīt loose even one life and even after hit he lost really low portion of life (like 1/15 or so). He also seemed to use some kind of hack (when he played his blizzer - he could aim me from like two screens away).
Losing 1/15th of their life at 5100 life would mean 340 damage dealt. Now, that would mean 4000 damage before any penalties. So I doubt.
As for hitting 2 screens away, could be 1600x1200 mod which allows a screen resolution of 1600x1200 which is HUGE.
As for my technique Iīve never whirled right through him, tried to clip him but as said, didnīt help. As for his, he sometimes teled, most of the time he just shift-smitted on one spot.
Shift-smiters are easy pray. Just get your CtH to the higher ends, get more life, clip them properly and don't do stupid things like whirling them while life tapped.
Is my baba crap, my skill crap or was he just godlike smiter (or using some kind of hack?). And is there any way how to beat it? Iīve never had any probs with smiters, only this one was pain in the butt.
Your barbarian, gearwise, is pretty darn good, a tad bit better than mine (9377 AR, 9600ish defense but 6110 life at lvl 91). He clearly wasn't a godlike smiter. You were just unlucky. Get a good CtH and don't do stupidities and you should be able to win. Remember, shift-smiters are a pie compared to godly telesmiters.
akumaxxyz
05-03-2007, 21:04
i seen some smiters with auras that does damage to you when they smite. you probably just bad at ww? you should be able to kill any smiter if play correctly unless he got some godly def and life tap
Well as I said in first post, he was non-exile so there was no life tap. I also tried angelic combo + demon limb which gave me about 24k attack rating. And that was not only one duel, that was ft5. And I lost all of them.
As for my technique I dont recall whirling through him, just to his sides. I also believe he was using grief BA so I lost my range advantage.
But the problem is that I could beat really any smiter Iīve met, forti ones, exile-using ones, telesmiters (not good tho) and I killed all of them with ease. Not this one tho, that was really desperate duel for me. And I must say that there was really something odd about him.
Losing 1/15th of their life at 5100 life would mean 340 damage dealt. Now, that would mean 4000 damage before any penalties. So I doubt.
As for hitting 2 screens away, could be 1600x1200 mod which allows a screen resolution of 1600x1200 which is HUGE.
Well perhaps it wasnīt exactly 1/15, just very little portion. As for 1600/1200, how can a man run dia in such a resolution? And I doubt all the hits I scored were Beast hits...
Iīm so disappointed, my barb was able to kill almost everything iīve come across. Well guess I gotta practice with it more.
MysticDragon
05-03-2007, 21:18
Telesmite or not? Try incorporating Widow into your game?
Uncle_Mike
05-03-2007, 21:19
Well as I said in first post, he was non-exile so there was no life tap. I also tried angelic combo + demon limb which gave me about 24k attack rating. And that was not only one duel, that was ft5. And I lost all of them.
As for my technique I dont recall whirling through him, just to his sides. I also believe he was using grief BA so I lost my range advantage.
But the problem is that I could beat really any smiter Iīve met, forti ones, exile-using ones, telesmiters (not good tho) and I killed all of them with ease. Not this one tho, that was really desperate duel for me. And I must say that there was really something odd about him.
Well perhaps it wasnīt exactly 1/15, just very little portion. As for 1600/1200, how can a man run dia in such a resolution? And I doubt all the hits I scored were Beast hits...
Iīm so disappointed, my barb was able to kill almost everything iīve come across. Well guess I gotta practice with it more.
What was the name of the blizz sorc he used?
1600/1200 cannot be achieved legitimately :azn:
Was the game lag free?
As for my technique I dont recall whirling through him, just to his sides. I also believe he was using grief BA so I lost my range advantage.
In that case, welcome him with a warm Doom. They are simply asking for a Doom if they even dare to use Grief BA.
Well perhaps it wasnīt exactly 1/15, just very little portion. As for 1600/1200, how can a man run dia in such a resolution? And I doubt all the hits I scored were Beast hits...
You can run D2 in 1600x1200 with one of those mods but it is, as expected, a rule violation.
Iīm so disappointed, my barb was able to kill almost everything iīve come across. Well guess I gotta practice with it more.
If so, then why make such a huge deal over a single duel? Plus, ft5's mean nothing. The game is, at the simplest, all about skill, gear, character class and luck. Now, gear and character class are removed. You are left with skill and luck, which is what PvP is all about: skill and luck. You have to train your skills in order not to depend on the luck part. But on the other hand, merely skill is not enough and that's why people go for high deadly strike percentages, for example.
Iīm so disappointed, my barb was able to kill almost everything iīve come across. Well guess I gotta practice with it more.
If someone is going to camp one spot shift smiting put on Widow. Seriously.
Under the recognised GM rule, since he's not using exile you can't really use doom.
Aim for at least 15K AR. Sometimes a smiter may desync to mess-up his positioning, so clip carefully.
What's your barb's name by the way?
mainaman
06-03-2007, 04:19
watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
he was a hoz smiter with shako , ~ 4k life
i used higlords+ravens.
better thing to use tho is angecis
WhiteAlien
06-03-2007, 05:04
watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
he was a hoz smiter with shako , ~ 4k life
i used higlords+ravens.
better thing to use tho is angecis
Sry to say, but guy was crap at tele. He should play sorc before.
Regarding to resolution hack it have become big pain in EU due to its easy accessibility and not detectable. Almost any blizzard sorc use it now. Its like new type of fc amas. Really gets very annoying.
watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
he was a hoz smiter with shako , ~ 4k life
i used higlords+ravens.
better thing to use tho is angecis
Exile has a 'freezes target' mod. Does that pose any problems if you wear dual angelics? Or do you suggest a angelic/raven ring set up?
And when ppl say 'don't ww when tapped', is the basic plan just to tele around the moor until tap runs out? Maybe stopping to use the bow you there's time?
I find I never go 50-50 with smiters. I can either beat them everytime, or be beaten everytime. It depends on the individual.
akumaxxyz
06-03-2007, 05:37
resolution hack.. that would explain some of the blizz sors i duel how they spam blizz from screens away and tele away.
mainaman
06-03-2007, 07:08
Sry to say, but guy was crap at tele. He should play sorc before.
Regarding to resolution hack it have become big pain in EU due to its easy accessibility and not detectable. Almost any blizzard sorc use it now. Its like new type of fc amas. Really gets very annoying.No matter how they tele they are smoke belive me.
Exile has a 'freezes target' mod. Does that pose any problems if you wear dual angelics? Or do you suggest a angelic/raven ring set up?
And when ppl say 'don't ww when tapped', is the basic plan just to tele around the moor until tap runs out? Maybe stopping to use the bow you there's time?
I find I never go 50-50 with smiters. I can either beat them everytime, or be beaten everytime. It depends on the individual.Angelics works fine dont worry about freezing... only thing one needs to have in mind is that one needs to very mobile and be as random in ww as possible no patterns at all, use walk to avoid being nl.
LegionPoth
06-03-2007, 07:12
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As for the smiter, he claimed he had 15k defense, 5.1k life. He was wearing shako and was non-exile user (I couldnīt see his shield tho due to str bug).
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Ever consider the posiblity that, that is not a shako, maby its a 70% Biggins Bonnet++, that could account for some of the extra damage he was droping on you.
Biggins naturaly does 30%, and you can add a 40% edmg jewel to them after socketing them. The hat is greatly over looked by most Melee characters. And does more edmg% than steel rends that some people go out of their way to get.
98-141 (shako base)
Defense: 17-19 (varies)(Base Defense: 3-5)
Required Level: 3
Durability: 12
+30% Enhanced Damage
+14 Defense
+30 To Attack Rating
+15 To Mana
+15 To Life
(Spawns In Any Patch)
Alma's is also a very nice shield, also often overlooked by many smighters. With the damage range, rather than HoZ+ doing a straight 46-46, that could also be where he got some extra shots in.
I know if i were a smighter, Thats what i'd do.
Defense: 461-511 (varies)(Base Defense: 138-164)
Required Level: 77
Required Strength: 109
Chance To Block: 78%
Smite Damage: 35 To 58
Durability: 68
(Paladin Only)
+180-210% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+1-2 To Paladin Skill Levels (varies)
20% Increased Chance of Blocking
30% Faster Block Rate
+40-75% Enhanced Damage (varies)
40-75% Bonus to Attack Rating (varies)
Magic Damage Reduced By 5-9 (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)
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Ever consider the posiblity that, that is not a shako, maby its a 70% Biggins Bonnet++, that could account for some of the extra damage he was droping on you.
Biggins naturaly does 30%, and you can add a 40% edmg jewel to them after socketing them. The hat is greatly over looked by most Melee characters. And does more edmg% than steel rends that some people go out of their way to get.
98-141 (shako base)
Defense: 17-19 (varies)(Base Defense: 3-5)
Required Level: 3
Durability: 12
+30% Enhanced Damage
+14 Defense
+30 To Attack Rating
+15 To Mana
+15 To Life
(Spawns In Any Patch)
With a couple hundred (most likely in the 500s) +ED% already, the Biggin's addition is useless and it doesn't make almost any change unless your before-ED% damage is absolutely gigantic (a couple of thousands which is impossible).
I know if i were a smighter, Thats what i'd do.
Defense: 461-511 (varies)(Base Defense: 138-164)
Required Level: 77
Required Strength: 109
Chance To Block: 78%
Smite Damage: 35 To 58
Durability: 68
(Paladin Only)
+180-210% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+1-2 To Paladin Skill Levels (varies)
20% Increased Chance of Blocking
30% Faster Block Rate
+40-75% Enhanced Damage (varies)
40-75% Bonus to Attack Rating (varies)
Magic Damage Reduced By 5-9 (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)
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The-3-Sticks
Alma's added damage is minimal. You are talking like those added percentages could add tons and tons of damage. Sorry, they don't. At most a couple of hundreds before PvP penalty.
Ever consider the posiblity that, that is not a shako, maby its a 70% Biggins Bonnet++, that could account for some of the extra damage he was droping on you.
Biggins naturaly does 30%, and you can add a 40% edmg jewel to them after socketing them. The hat is greatly over looked by most Melee characters. And does more edmg% than steel rends that some people go out of their way to get.
In my opinion he couldnīt have used this as it seemed he had pretty high DR. He couldīve used phoenix in pally shield for even more dmg add...
Aim for at least 15K AR. Sometimes a smiter may desync to mess-up his positioning, so clip carefully.
What's your barb's name by the way?
my barbīs name is BARBURIAN, started just recently tho I had one like year ago.
What was the name of the blizz sorc he used?
1600/1200 cannot be achieved legitimately
Was the game lag free?
Oh I thought so... His Smiterīs name was zaxxX or so and his blizzīs name was xblizzar or something like that. I donīt recall account name tho.
Telesmite or not? Try incorporating Widow into your game?
Two problems here, he was a telesmiter and I canīt use widow + coa + dual angelics as Iīm missing some stat points. I couldīve used widow only with arreats + dual ravens, which would leave me with 8% dr and pretty low AR (12000ish w/ demonlimb)
LegionPoth
06-03-2007, 08:16
With a couple hundred (most likely in the 500s) +ED% already, the Biggin's addition is useless and it doesn't make almost any change unless your before-ED% damage is absolutely gigantic (a couple of thousands which is impossible).
Alma's added damage is minimal. You are talking like those added percentages could add tons and tons of damage. Sorry, they don't. At most a couple of hundreds before PvP penalty.
Your telling me having an aditional +4 to skills, (+2 combat) is beter than haveing an aditional 140% enhanced damage, I dont buy that **** for one second.
As for the shield, having a range of damage will indeed alow you to hit harder than normal (in comparison to other palys), not giganticly so, but it adds up, and fast.
When you pull your head out of your ***, maby i'll lissen to what comes out of your mouth.
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Uncle_Mike
06-03-2007, 08:22
Your telling me having an aditional +4 to skills, (+2 combat) is beter than haveing an aditional 140% enhanced damage, I dont buy that **** for one second.
As for the shield, having a range of damage will indeed alow you to hit harder than normal (in comparison to other palys), not giganticly so, but it adds up, and fast.
When you pull your head out of your ***, maby i'll lissen to what comes out of your mouth.
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The-3-Sticks
Pretty strong words from a new member - I wonder how long you will last here if you keep posting in that manner. This is a warning btw.
To others: do not take the bait :wink:
Also: are you saying that 70%ed from biggin is worth the loss of life/mana, 2 skills and up to 18% dr from shako? Or massive dr, fhr, all res and 1 skill from CoA? I don't think so...
HoZ gives good resistances which are crucial unless the smiter has very good charms. I admit this is a more general setup remark as resistances are not needed vs barbs. 20 str on HoZ = 20 ed% anyway. 20 vita is not that bad either, and HoZ has better block.
Your telling me having an aditional +4 to skills, (+2 combat) is beter than haveing an aditional 140% enhanced damage, I dont buy that **** for one second.
Two of those 2 add to your life and mana. 6 of the 6 add to your defense and your blocking and your Smite damage.
As for the shield, having a range of damage will indeed alow you to hit harder than normal (in comparison to other palys), not giganticly so, but it adds up, and fast.
Sorry, but with +560% to your damage, another 140% won't matter, specially since you could just slap on Fortitude and gain +266% ED. Or use a Phoenix on top of that for a total of up to +582% ED, added to that 560% for a total of 1142% ED. That 140% of yours is craptastic compared to those.
When you pull your head out of your ***, maby i'll lissen to what comes out of your mouth.
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The-3-Sticks
Sorry, but come back when you actually know something. Then I might consider to even calculate some Smite damage for you.
LegionPoth
06-03-2007, 09:02
Two of those 2 add to your life and mana. 6 of the 6 add to your defense and your blocking and your Smite damage.
Sorry, but with +560% to your damage, another 140% won't matter, specially since you could just slap on Fortitude and gain +266% ED. Or use a Phoenix on top of that for a total of up to +582% ED, added to that 560% for a total of 1142% ED. That 140% of yours is craptastic compared to those.
Sorry, but come back when you actually know something. Then I might consider to even calculate some Smite damage for you.
I'm mearly stating the posibly was not considered, and people go trolling on me, Yeah i Obviously lost some controll with this post, but the point of the original post, is that this guy is having problems with a Smighter, and he's making asumptions on gear, the point of brainstorming is to think outside the box.
Why is he having problems? Theres things he isnt considering as a posiblity, rather than asuming his opponent is a cookie cutter, I think its more productive to sugest other options.
As for Dr% and Vita, In THIS instance, if the damage output was > than normal, Opponent Dies faster, then less damage delt to be Reduced.
20% DR% can be sacked for 140% DMG in this instance, as every little bit counts, damage is still damage.
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I'm mearly stating the posibly was not considered, and people go trolling on me, Yeah i Obviously lost some controll with this post, but the point of the original post, is that this guy is having problems with a Smighter, and he's making asumptions on gear, the point of brainstorming is to think outside the box.
"Outside of the box" is not the case here. Not a single half-assed Smiter would even consider using a Biggin's since a 2* 40/15 CoA adds way more than a Biggins could ever add. Plus, the ED is meaningless.
Why is he having problems? Theres things he isnt considering as a posiblity, rather than asuming his opponent is a cookie cutter, I think its more productive to sugest other options.
Or then he is simply repeating a simple mistake.
As for Dr% and Vita, In THIS instance, if the damage output was > than normal, Opponent Dies faster, then less damage delt to be Reduced.
20% DR% can be sacked for 140% DMG in this instance, as every little bit counts, damage is still damage.
Sorry, but if you even think of dueling a 6-7.7k damage BvC with 8% DR, you should think about it again. That 6k would then do 937.4 damage per hit. With the 5100ish life, that would mean dead in 6 hits. The guy clearly said he did miniscule damage, something like 1/15th or so. 1/6th does not sound like that to me. Now, compare it with assuming 36% DR. The damage would now be 652.8, 30% less.
And no, damage is not damage. In the end, damage is meaningless. So what if you deal 20 000 damage if you die in a single hit? However, on the other hand, so what if you have 8 000 life if you deal 300 damage? That's why you need balance.
Well it still is sligtly viable to clip a smiter even with the same range. Also for Ba Smite switch in a doom and he will suffer with lack of ias and drop a few frames in smite speed.
If he is a decent tele-smiter whirl randomly don't do excesive long whirls as this could lead to the smiter teleporting dirrectly in ur Whirlwind path and you eating smite.
Well it still is sligtly viable to clip a smiter even with the same range. Also for Ba Smite switch in a doom and he will suffer with lack of ias and drop a few frames in smite speed.
If he is a decent tele-smiter whirl randomly don't do excesive long whirls as this could lead to the smiter teleporting dirrectly in ur Whirlwind path and you eating smite.
seems the problem is lack of ar and skills.. duelled normannenīs smiter recently and learned some new stuff :) I also bought two dooms for really desperate situations.
thanks for replies
akumaxxyz
06-03-2007, 19:42
you dont really need to do random wws vs tele smite. the moment you see them tele on you, you can start your short wws, and using doom vs ba smiter is a sure win -_-
mainaman
07-03-2007, 00:28
you dont really need to do random wws vs tele smite. the moment you see them tele on you, you can start your short wws, and using doom vs ba smiter is a sure win -_-that toesnt work as easyly as you describe it tho. If you plan on such tactics, you will get hit alot more than you will hit the smiter. especially if they use hoz they will have decent dr with enigma and coa , and with areachnid for 20 fcr you will have major problems.
On another note there is a way to make smiter that cant be beaten by a bvc no matter what, something in the lines of 60k def, ~3k smite dmg, 50dr, high lvl holy freeze, etc.
akumaxxyz
07-03-2007, 00:57
smiter tele on barb is free hits for if you ww good, and if they dont you just clip them. basically its just mind game.
vs high def smiter with freeze+ tap, you think if barb uses freeze + slow items can win? you can get 30k+ ar with hsaru belt glove and angelics
The hat is greatly over looked by most Melee characters.
Unless I'm missing something, the reason it's over looked is because it's easier to stick three Enhanced Damage Jewels in a 3os hat for far more damage than Biggons can ever provide.
The fact that few would bother to mule and hold onto a Biggons if they found it, and the relative ease with which to obtain non-dual modded enhanced damage jewels makes it, IMO, cheaper and easier to trade for. Even three 30% ED jewels (which most people would consider "junk" jewels for crafting) would provide more than Biggons which would require you to find the hat and blow a Larzuk quest. Not to mention the jewel route means you get to choose what type of hat you wear for style points.
kingdryland
07-03-2007, 02:06
Ever consider the posiblity that, that is not a shako, maby its a 70% Biggins Bonnet++, that could account for some of the extra damage he was droping on you.
Biggins naturaly does 30%, and you can add a 40% edmg jewel to them after socketing them. The hat is greatly over looked by most Melee characters. And does more edmg% than steel rends that some people go out of their way to get.
98-141 (shako base)
Defense: 17-19 (varies)(Base Defense: 3-5)
Required Level: 3
Durability: 12
+30% Enhanced Damage
+14 Defense
+30 To Attack Rating
+15 To Mana
+15 To Life
(Spawns In Any Patch)
Alma's is also a very nice shield, also often overlooked by many smighters. With the damage range, rather than HoZ+ doing a straight 46-46, that could also be where he got some extra shots in.
I know if i were a smighter, Thats what i'd do.
Defense: 461-511 (varies)(Base Defense: 138-164)
Required Level: 77
Required Strength: 109
Chance To Block: 78%
Smite Damage: 35 To 58
Durability: 68
(Paladin Only)
+180-210% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+1-2 To Paladin Skill Levels (varies)
20% Increased Chance of Blocking
30% Faster Block Rate
+40-75% Enhanced Damage (varies)
40-75% Bonus to Attack Rating (varies)
Magic Damage Reduced By 5-9 (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)
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Biggins is a joke,even a 2sock grey helmet socketed with 2x40% ed jewels beats it damagewise. A very good Alma on the other hand slightly beats the upgraded hoz in total damage output (75% ed and sacred rondache vs +2combat skills/20 strength). Still, the difference is really small.
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On another note there is a way to make smiter that cant be beaten by a bvc no matter what, something in the lines of 60k def, ~3k smite dmg, 50dr, high lvl holy freeze, etc.
yeah i have faced a setup simular to these Luder and i went over it while back and yes it demolishes pub barb easy. I was able to go 50/50 with this but i damn well was not easy, he used the folowing,
exile
clegs
realm dr belt which has more 10% slow
fcr rings
etc
basically it abuses slow and holy freeze and his setup had max dr combined with good tele smiting and namelock tele-smiting.
The only chance i had were clipping type whirls before holy freeze kicked in and alot of teleing and leaping. And switching a doom in my setup.
WhiteAlien
07-03-2007, 03:17
resolution hack.. that would explain some of the blizz sors i duel how they spam blizz from screens away and tele away.
no. They are more crafted. They spam blizzards and then tele over two screens right in your face. Have seen so many already. Same thing now happens with windies. Almost like tele from nowhere on my head.
mainaman
07-03-2007, 08:24
smiter tele on barb is free hits for if you ww good, and if they dont you just clip them. basically its just mind game.
vs high def smiter with freeze+ tap, you think if barb uses freeze + slow items can win? you can get 30k+ ar with hsaru belt glove and angelicsi don't think you can beat 45k+ def smiter with good lvl of hf .
you will get some hit in if you tele ww pass by (as suggesed by mcm) but you need to be very precise on that and never make a mistake...
smiter tele on barb is free hits for if you ww good, and if they dont you just clip them. basically its just mind game.
vs high def smiter with freeze+ tap, you think if barb uses freeze + slow items can win? you can get 30k+ ar with hsaru belt glove and angelics
If you're frozen it's also free hits for the smiter.
Holy freeze + lack of enigma = slow as hell; more often than not a smiter that can lock at all can land a hit or possibly two before you've whirled out of range even in directly telestomping =/.
Vs aggressive smiters you need to predict, not react
with the setup i stated with high holy freeze and high amount of slow the only way is drive by clipping whirls, hitting before hf kicks in and getting out of the area. forti is no good u will get destroyed with forti armour.
you need the fr/w from the enigma. And even this when i did slip up and make a mistake i.e whirl to long the slow and high lvl holy freeze slowed me right down and i must have took like 3-4 dirrect smite hits.
@ akumaxxyz Vs the setup i posted, the clegs + dr, realm belt or known as bb which also has 10% slow amd a decemt tele smiter it is a slim chance on the barb side cuz the freeze keeps u in the range longer meaning higher chance to cast lifetap and more dmg u take instead of delivering also, the pally rellys on defence i.e the 50k+ forcing angelics to be used.
akumaxxyz
07-03-2007, 10:40
wow bug belt got slow too? then its no chance for barb if smiter uses tap even if played perfectly.
oh and i do mean you can react fast enough if you see smiter teles, you only do predict ww when he charges around madly. by doing random ww, the smiter can just wait and freeze you untill you need to chug mana pots.. then your toast..
watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
he was a hoz smiter with shako , ~ 4k life
i used higlords+ravens.
better thing to use tho is angecis
yay that was a good vid :)
wow bug belt got slow too? then its no chance for barb if smiter uses tap even if played perfectly.
oh and i do mean you can react fast enough if you see smiter teles, you only do predict ww when he charges around madly. by doing random ww, the smiter can just wait and freeze you untill you need to chug mana pots.. then your toast..
it is beatable but u have to firstly know what ur doing, and play well. As mentioned before this. As i have played a m8s smiter with this exact setup and still came out 50/50.
trust me random whirls work cuz a tele smiter continuely tele smites and if ur predictable u will get done in by smite the whole idea of short-random whirls is the smiter cant predict where ur whirl ends hense u don't get shreaded by smite.
prediction does not work with a telesmiter flash holyfreeze as u will stay in the range of the smiter too long, due to hf + slow gear. The only counter vs a smiter like this is drive by tele-clipping whirls and leaping and teleing with odd random whirls.
akumaxxyz
07-03-2007, 23:51
what if smiter dont tele on you when your doing your random ww? you will run out of mana soon and need to chug.. he will get you then...
this duel is more of a mind game imo.. but the favor is on barbs side if its gm normal duel, like the smiter got no insane high def or tap.
mainaman
08-03-2007, 02:09
what if smiter dont tele on you when your doing your random ww? you will run out of mana soon and need to chug.. he will get you then...
this duel is more of a mind game imo.. but the favor is on barbs side if its gm normal duel, like the smiter got no insane high def or tap.There are different interpretations on whats gm and bm , but that aside smiter using items granted by the game to counter bvc is completely normal imo.
The thing is that completely anti -bvc smiter is no good for anything else but dueling bvc and MAYBE smiters, thats why ppl dont make them. They have crappy resistances, crappy fcr, crappy life, and not so great smite dmg!
akumaxxyz
08-03-2007, 02:31
yes but just imagine a smiter with stats like 60k def uses freeze and life tap,control by a good player i think it would be a challenging fight :D
yes but just imagine a smiter with stats like 60k def uses freeze and life tap,control by a good player i think it would be a challenging fight :D
But is it challenging for the smiter? I doubt.. Ofcourse you can make anti-char against almost any build, but is it really enjoyable then?
Eilo Rytyj
09-03-2007, 16:37
Think about it for a second, every +skill on a Smiter means 32% enhanced damage. 17% on Fanaticism, 15% on Smite. So the +2 skills on Shako is effectively 64% enhanced damage, and Shako can be socketed with a 40% Jewel to bring it to 104%.
And lets not forget that every +skill adds +(3-3) base damage to the shield's Smite damage via the skill bonus to Holy Shield, the +2 skills on Shako equates to +(6-6) damage. That added damage is also multiplied by the Enhanced damage, resulting in more damage than Biggin's could ever hope to provide you.
So in comparison, Harlequin Crest on it's own offers 64% enhanced damage and +(6-6) Smite damage, while Biggin's Bonnet offers 30% enhanced damage... and that's it.
And as for HoZ's +skill bonii... 94% enhanced damage and +(12-12) Smite shield damage on it's little lonesome. And Alma Negra? Well, it could compare to HoZ in terms of actual final Smite damage, unless it was a low damage roll then it's ********.
akumaxxyz
09-03-2007, 22:04
it could go both ways if barb uses doom+slow
mainaman
10-03-2007, 02:54
it could go both ways if barb uses doom+slowno it cant go both ways , doom =crap dmg, slow =clegs which again=crap dmg as you lose ow from dracks.
A tele smiter would use pb which means slow will not affect their smite speed, only doom but they will holy freeze flash you so youll be having prolems hitting them.
A BvC cant win against dedicated antibarb smiter.
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