Some questions from the weekend fight!

[Vegetall]

Ok so i did my first UBRS run this weekend, lets say in the end i got my tourch but it wasnt as easy as i thought....

i have the basic cookie cutter 1pt smiter: Gear is a as follows

grief
Fort
LOH
raven/dwarf
Exile
guls
12% Sting

and a crap ton of resits and damg charms....

o FYI i had a hammerdin helping me also since i didnt realize mages were in the furnace, but he didnt join till the first swing i took i died (sorta realtes to question 1)

now on to the questions:

1. Furnace of pain, is there any real way to avoid IM from the mages, or just sorta have to deal with it, or like i said above have a freind help with that one?

2/3. I had 75 light res and i used the trech buff and mephy still 1 shotted me, now for the 2 parts, is it possibly that that wasnt enough? then how did i survive diablo and baal at the same time without salvation on with 8 balrogs useing there fire and diablo useing his light/fire move on me?

4. can i jsut leave salvation on and do UBER trist and not even both with fant? pertaining to question 2/3 once i turned that one (still with hammerdin in game) he was still knocking my life down but i killed him w/o fant is that the best/only way to do mephy?

[kingdryland]

1. Lots of ways. Get a passion axe and zerk in the furnace, get a bow, get a lawbringer war scepter and use normal attack etc etc. IM will slow you down a little bit but nothing you can't handle.

2/3 and 4.
75 light resists alone means nothing. Mephi has conviction which sends your light/fire/cold resists in the negatives. You need to stack light res way above 75% in hell (don't include anya quest resists in your calculations). If you can, run salvation instead of fanaticism against Mephi.Diablo and the balrogs won't be hurting nearly as much when a conviction aura isn't present, so no worries there.

Question. Do you use gore rider as boots? If the answer is no, then you don't have open wounds mod in your gear, which means you have no way of blocking the life regen of the ubers.

[Vegetall]

O yeah forgot boots and ammy, i got gores and i think i have some crappy+2 combat or off auras...

and lawbringer looks like fun maybe ill try that, tanks

[stekkelino]

i did my uberrun with about the same gear, died 2 times due to very heavy lag, but I didnt have any problems killing the ubers,
they all went down faster than lillith.

and dont really worry about the monsters getting spawned, with life tap while killing the ubers with smite ull have enough life.

for belt i think its better to use t-gods, ik-belt, credendum or dungo's thats like the better version of string

[Vegetall]

Well lets see i died:
twice on uber duriel b/c there was a extra fast beetle flying around with curse, so ya.... that didnt help...
died a few times due to IM in bloodfurnace...
and then died a bunch b/c mephy would just 1 hit me till i activated salvation and didnt die once....

and as for belt, ya the only dungos i had was only 10%dr, and i just forgot about belt.. i will look into that though

[niner]

T-gods
Highlords
Duress
Custom crafted ring+gloves with any of your personal char needs that are missing when you can make or trade for them them.

Furnace has room so lure the udars back out of range of IM casts then mess em up and go back to skellie group with your favorite OK extermination technique. Just have some patience as this area that you cant be as chivalrous.

[zallus]

When i run lilith and izial i simply have some char come in and tele there for me makes it go much faster.

The hardest thing about the ubers is as much as you know its difficult to actually be prepared the first time.

The next time you do it you will have a much easier go.

I personally just use salvation when fighting meph and the go back to fanaticism for the other 2...I spawn meph first and then spawn the other 2 together because they are way to easy.

Good luck it just takes some practice.

And was the torch you got worth all the troubles of ur first time...I hope so.:thumbsup:

[Vegetall]

highlords i been trying to mf one, i have been mfing for a solid 2 months now, and everytime i have come back from taking time off i usally find one, but out of 10 uniq ammys, i had about 9 oaks and 1 eye.....

T-gods i will def get

i have a 10%CB crafted gloves that i normally use but isnt the 350% to demons more effective?

and duress? why?

[niner]

the gloves stats youd want is
20ias/high CB/res/life/str youd have to check your ias chart for see if you can 10 ias it. LOH are good but crafted helps polish off your lacking stats.

Duress has fhr/cb/ow/good res.
All good for the melee minded you wont be leeching/lifetapping if you are stunned.

Gloves and armor are less important for you now loh and fort work well. But when you get these items you get enough cb/ds etc to use a less ghetto helm. main thing id say that would immediatly help you is ammy and belt.

[Vegetall]

belt/ammy gotcha,

and yes zal the torch was worth it to me anyways a 19/19 storch, since i mfing 80% of the time i play

[zallus]

19/19 sorc torch is def worth it.

congrats

[stekkelino]

i have a 10%CB crafted gloves that i normally use but isnt the 350% to demons more effective?



I dont know, but i read somewhere that the 350% dmg to demons doesnt add dmg to smite?
and smite will be the main attk in uber trist normally

and damn 19/19 storch is great :p my first is a 11/13 assa torch lol

[Vegetall]

really i though that why everyone uses LOH, well damn... i guess ill keep crafting gloves. yeah i was really surprised when i ided it i usally get crap from drops, early that day i got the lowest possibly raven u can get.... but my freind did ubrs for the first time too this weekend and ended up with a 11/10 azn torch...

[zallus]

Vegetall imho i think that you should dump that storch for 2 things dracs and a lower sorc torch because you have enoug cb with gul face and gores it would be nice if you had a little extra life tap to try and get it cast quickly.

This is just my opinion though

A sorc torch that hi would fetch a pretty penny in trades. You could actually fill a few things on ur iso with that thing

[Vegetall]

Thats a good call, but i wanna hold onto it since its my "first", sentmental thing, but what about if i switched to a lastwish insted of a greif i know there much talk about these too, but is the damg diffrence that big?

b/c other then mephy i didnt have a single problem with D or baal, keep in mind to my hammerdin freind was in the game too, so i wasnt soloing it.. if that matters much?

and i have a feeling ill find some dracs soon, its like all of a sudden mephy drops have been good to me, i been getting 2 uniqs a drops the last few drops, including a GA, Andys, Raven... so fingers crossed....

and being a long time vet playing since d2 classic on and off, my creed is "once u find something u can always find it again", thats why i usally only trade for HRS ( though i hate doing it so much damn dupes) and like deathsweb,fathom all the TOP TOP end uniqs that i never was able to find, since all i do is mf mephy i need to start doing pits with her bad, i was doing anceint tunnels but after about 20+ runs of nothing i gave that up, and sadly i run nik with her so no more pindle

[zallus]

Well i have heard of people doing this and it might interest you

Using lw till they have about 1/8 hp and then switch over 2 grief for the end. Because cb gets the hp down faster but more damage will get the rest of the hitpoints the fastest

Your cb% will be really high with lw so they will go down very fast but i have heard it is hard to get in that killing hit using lw.

Grief might take a little longer to get hp down but will land the killing hit faster because of more dam.

Thats how it was explained to me.

[Vegetall]

yeah i saw a post on switching but im afraid since i only have a spirit as my backsup sheild though it is 71% resist scept fire 35% but mayle ill try that next time, dont know next ubers time will be since, i have dont at least 100+ keys runs and came up with 2h and 2d keys that i used for this run, so not to keen on doing that again

[PlayWithHonor]

I'll throw my "cheap" build into the mix. I'm hardcore so I'm more conservative than most builds I'm sure. This was a 1 pt smiter build although I wish I hadn't stuck with just 1 pt. To be clear, you don't need to max Smite but now having been through this many times I wish I had for this particular equipment configuration, although my build does get it done rather safely as is.

Helm - Guils w/ Ber
Armor - Guardian Angel w/ Ber
Gloves - Dracs
Boots - Marrowalks
Weapon - Grief Phase Blade
Shield - Pally Shield w/ 4 PDiamonds (117% resist all)
Ammy - Rare +1 skills with great stats
Ring1 - Raven
Ring2 - Dwarf
Belt - TGods
Charms - Anni, resist, life

Switch Weapon - CTA
Switch Shield - Spirit


How I make the run solo in Hardcore:

After prebuff with Treachury, Antidote & thaw pots and running Salvation my resists are 95% LR/CR/PR and 90% FR even in the face of Meph's conviction. I also have fire/light/cold sorb. Not much is gonna touch me.

I precast life tap on Meph afer luring him out first and then Smite him to death with Salvation on. 35% CB from Guils is plenty I've found. Zeal the minions all dead with Fanatacism on.

Then lure out Baal, pre-cast life tap and Smite him to death with Sanctuary on. Sanctuary keeps the PIs knocked back. Makes this part of the run much safer as you don't get mana burned nearly as much and if you get a lag spike at least only Baal will be pounding on you, hehe. Then zeal minions with Sanctuary still on as it breaks their physical immunity, very handy.

For Diablo, pre-cast life tap and Smite him to death with Fanatacism running. Zeal minions to death.

Just another option.....

[zallus]

vege when i mean switching weapons i dont mean hitting the "W" button i mean keeping the other weapon in ur inventory and switching that way. just run away for 1 sec switch and run back.

[Vegetall]

Play i have seen that build before to, and ppl saying that it works quit well as i can see u did just fine in trist, but as for the resists i think just throwing salvation on was enough and i belive i only had 1 pt into it, useing sanctuary on the other hand is a pretty cool idea i always wanted to make a pally around that aura, but that will only take u so far, but be a good chaos runner...

Zal what about there life regen, or the OW will take care of that?

but this is all great advice, i do do, hah dodo want to try it again solo though with the same thing i got, and jsut take it alittle slower, since i ran in there like a bat out of hell telling myself O i have the same build as everyone else, this should be cake.... ill pull mephy, ok done, let me get him into the top corner, check, let me go fight him, LIGHTING attack, DEAD.... but i think he would be easy to take out first since there arent a ton of summons waiting for me when i get back though

[zallus]

Ur ow should hang on long enough to stop his regen for a couple of secs. I personally have never tried it so i dont know how it works if you want when i get home tonight ill try and tell you how it goes but until then all i can say is that it works.

[DEA]

i've never been hit by meph's elemental attacks
it's always his minions who're pummelling me
normally i run away from him to get him away from the other 2
when he comes to me, i run to him
probably the AI switches to melee and forgets to use his lightning and frozen orb

[niner]

Duress has OWs.........