New patch= Game Drops

[DaemonAkuma]

As many of you already know, I always use my summoner necro for mfing. You also all know that the latest patch was/is supposed to irradicate duping. Even though duping can never be eliminated, it has cut down on lag a lot.

The downside? Every time my army kills Shenk or the Council decides to spam Hydra, the game drops. Am I duping? No siree Bob. Just doing legit mfing runs. Then *bam* game dropped.

Suggestions? Similar problems?

For the record, 16 skellies, 16 mages, gumby, merc, All buff-up warcries (singer barb) Might, and Conviction auras runnin. I don't even have Beast equipped, or any revives. I can only imagine the repercussions of doing Uber runs. Yeah.

[Nimbostratus]

I don't know about the Council, but I can say pretty certainly that Shenk's death does tend to go overboard fairly often. It lags me in Single Player :laugh:

As for solving the problem, I'm not sure. Maybe unsummoning a few of your minions could help.

[DeathSpawn]

Since the patch came out i cant play with my summoner,poisonmancer,bonemancer, so this patch is cr*p.
the only way is not to play with them and if i dont play with them then i dont play d2 so after the patch came out i never played d2 again

[zallus]

First of all it is not a patch....

You didnt have to upload anything before starting to play again.

All they did was lower the lag tolerance...making it difficult 2 dupe because if you lag to much you get a c/i (connection interupt)

And yes it is frustrating

I have the same problem with my lfzon when i am doing cows....if i group lots of cows together and throw a few javs i get c/i.

The only real suggestion is to live with it...I would also that less summons might help you not get droped.

[gotfocus]

Are you mostly playing solo or in parties? If you are primarily doing solo, you could switch to single player and that will eliminate most of your problems.

Otherwise, as said in a previous post, dropping a few extra skeletons might help. I would get rid of skeleton mages first, if you use those.

[zallus]

Yes i would tend to agree that you dont need 16 mages as you posted above 4 would be plenty...I have a fishy (skellymancer) and dont even use mages they just get in the way

[DeathSpawn]

i don't see any fun in not using my chars full potencial, i builded them and invested a lot in them to make then powerful so if i'm not using their full potencial then my effort to make them awesome was a waste of time. i said it once and will say it again, game was better before the servers we're patched. at least i knew that each 5 games one wouldnt lag, now i know each 5 games i'll get CI in all of them... i also like to do the runs as fast as i can...

[zallus]

well for me it has fixed the lag...before they lowered the lag tolerance the lag on the game was terrible for me I would rather get c/i every once in a while rather than having every game be laggy

I can always join games now
I dont randomly get dropped from lag
I have good pfs and ping

its 100% better now i think

[franzjosef]

Agreement on the Mages comment. I run 11/5/14 and I rarely have problems, except when I use a lot of ranged Revives (Cats, Burning Archers).

[DaemonAkuma]

So then, the general idea here is hey, sure it completely goes against several good character builds and eliminates them, but let's just suck it up, tone-down our characters, and live with it?

Sorry, but I'd rather have many people w/ runewords than I would not ever be able to run uber Trist. Yes, sorry to dash about the easily manipulated and controlled masses, but that is pure garbage. So for uber what shall I do? Not summon any mages? Oh wait, 5 right right that's the magic number...except when 2 or 3 get evaporated by Meph, then what? Just hope for good luck from Urdars (always assuming I don’t get c/i from all the lightning+Diablo fire etc)?

That's bullcrap.

Oh yeah, sure, now I can join games. No random drop (unless you count trying to do anything that involves any kind of animation that is built-in to the game itself, not my fault), in that case there are lots and lots of drops. Plus no more uber tirst, can't do that because the summon requirements are too great for it, plus there's way too much animation going on. So that's out of the question. Oh but hey, that's okay: now I don't get the 1-2 random drops a night, or have to wait a few minutes before I can join a game. Now I can join and make games, and not play it to any semblance of its full potential. Wow, what a great pay off :-|

The point is, I should not -have- to not use mages. I should not now have to build a smiter to run uber trist for me since I would inevitably be lagged-out with my necro summoner (who, for the record, ate the ubers alive and screaming). Bring on the lag! Bring on the dropped games! It's a heck of a lot better than this tyrannical bullshimonkey.

And sorry for my inappropriate use of the word "patch" and thank you for clarifying exactly what that is. I'm sure that will make a huge impact on the relevance of the topic itself. O.o

And all this inconvenience for what: dupers, who may be breaking Blizzard's little law of the lands, but really...who here does not use Enigma on their necro or sorc, Fort or Coh on their smiters, etc etc. Why is it these runewords are so plentiful and easily accessible (and fun)? Because people duped the living bejesus out of high runes. So all this squabble about "yay dupers r gone" is utter hypocrisy. You think of duping had never existed that a 30s AP would be worth a hr? HA!! No where near.

Of course, that's a different topic...

So far I see only one other person who sees it the way I do. And yes I have entertained the idea of not playing d2; I've started fighting more regularly again and found a nice gym to train out of, etc etc. Why waste my time on a character I perfect who can't be used properly?

Oh, and for the record...I had no lag hardly EVER. So that isn't something I care about.

[PlayWithHonor]

My experiences since the patch have been somewhat different.

I ran my Summoner yesterday with 13 Skellies, 7 Mages, 16 Revives. Conviction & Might auras were active and I spammed Fire Wall quite a bit during these runs (Full Trangs Set). I ran all 3 mini Ubers. I experienced no issues at all (no lag and no C/I). Couldn't be happier with the performance.

I only play Hardcore and I'd definately take a few C/Is over the lag problems we've seen in the past... lag kills, C/Is are just inconveniences.

[DeathSpawn]

I ran all 3 mini Ubers. I experienced no issues at all (no lag and no C/I). Couldn't be happier with the performance

try to go to uber trist :tongue: , i tried to go with my summoner and game droped. i just tried to go to uber trist again with just 1 hammer and 1 smiter and game droped as soon as i saw meph,baal and dia...
hope you have better luck

[PlayWithHonor]

try to go to uber trist :tongue: , i tried to go with my summoner and game droped. i just tried to go to uber trist again with just 1 hammer and 1 smiter and game droped as soon as i saw meph,baal and dia...
hope you have better luck

Ran Trist with my Smiter. Again I had no issues at all (except that the torch as a crappy Druid 11/10). I spawned them individually though cuz I went solo in HC and don't have a death wish, hehe. Really sux that some of you guys are having problems. I wish you guys better luck in future games.

[SSoG]

For the record, 16 skellies, 16 mages, gumby, merc, All buff-up warcries (singer barb) Might, and Conviction auras runnin. I don't even have Beast equipped, or any revives. I can only imagine the repercussions of doing Uber runs. Yeah.

There's your problem. The game has to handle each aura individually. You've got 35 people in your party, all under the effects of Shout, Battle Orders, Battle Commands, and Might. That's 140 individual aura instances *AT ALL TIMES*- and God forbid if you ever run into a Cursed boss or some Harpies/OKs and get your entire army cursed. Ditch the BO Barb first and see if that doesn't solve the majority of your problems.

And all this inconvenience for what: dupers, who may be breaking Blizzard's little law of the lands, but really...who here does not use Enigma on their necro or sorc, Fort or Coh on their smiters, etc etc.

I don't. I've never used a rune higher than Gul, and even that was a reward from Hellforge. Some people actually do practice what they preach.

[batuchka]

I was helping out some peeps at an 8 players pubby uber trist game just now and before we took them down, each of us easily had 5-6 'Connection Interrupted' episodes and it was really annoying! Usually i uber solo but i thought i wanted to have a feel of ubering in a team just for the kicks and boy were some of the peeps clueless about surviving in uber trist lol

[AnimeCraze]

What? There are pubby uber trist games? How to decide who keeps the torch?

[xpumafangx]

Look I have all ways played all legit. And I have had to deal with really bad connection issues in the past. Right now its at its worst. As some of you know I play a werewolf. Ya I use bo, bc, and oak sage. And I am getting dropped like every freaken game i join after about 1 min. This blows. I would use other words about this "patch". But then I would get banned from this place. Blizzard didnt really care about the players in this game when they did this to us. Ya alot of duping was going on. But that didnt mean they should have punished all of us because of it. With a half butted quick fix.



I mean I just got dropped for typing too much. I was only having a normal converstation with a f'in friend of mine wtf.

[batuchka]

What? There are pubby uber trist games? How to decide who keeps the torch?

Sometimes i have people whispering me and asking me to help them in Ubers on Bnet but ya sometimes you just finish a mf run and thrown in a random channel and then someone spams a game name and asks other to help kill Ubers. I am thinking they do not know of this site cos a little research here and every one ought to be able to do Ubers hehe. Well as always there are no rules in pubbys so anyone who does not have a torch equipped gets whatever drops. I don't care really - just in it for the fun :tongue:

[SSoG]

I was helping out some peeps at an 8 players pubby uber trist game just now and before we took them down, each of us easily had 5-6 'Connection Interrupted' episodes and it was really annoying! Usually i uber solo but i thought i wanted to have a feel of ubering in a team just for the kicks and boy were some of the peeps clueless about surviving in uber trist lol
Yeah, if you get 8 players in a small space with some high-animation monsters, you're going to get dropped, and there's not much you can do about it.

Look I have all ways played all legit. And I have had to deal with really bad connection issues in the past. Right now its at its worst. As some of you know I play a werewolf. Ya I use bo, bc, and oak sage. And I am getting dropped like every freaken game i join after about 1 min. This blows. I would use other words about this "patch". But then I would get banned from this place. Blizzard didnt really care about the players in this game when they did this to us. Ya alot of duping was going on. But that didnt mean they should have punished all of us because of it. With a half butted quick fix.



I mean I just got dropped for typing too much. I was only having a normal converstation with a f'in friend of mine wtf.
Have you tried unequipping your torch? The biggest offender in terms of "Connection Interrupted" (or YCHBIs) is the Firestorm proc on the Hellfire Torch. A Lightning Fury Zon who cows with a torch equipped can just kiss the game goodbye, even if she solos, because she causes graphical overload. A Strafer with a torch can easily drop some games if there's a party of 2 or 3 others, especially if some of them also have a torch. Unequipping the torch if you're an actual attacking build (that can trigger the Firestorm proc) will usually make your games much less likely to drop.

[PlayWithHonor]

There's your problem. The game has to handle each aura individually. You've got 35 people in your party, all under the effects of Shout, Battle Orders, Battle Commands, and Might. That's 140 individual aura instances *AT ALL TIMES*- and God forbid if you ever run into a Cursed boss or some Harpies/OKs and get your entire army cursed. Ditch the BO Barb first and see if that doesn't solve the majority of your problems.



Just adding more data to the analysis.

The Good

I ran the 3 mini ubers again last night with my summoner. I had 13 Skellies, 7 mages, 16 revives. Active auras were: Conviction, Might, BC, Shout, BO. In the Matron's Den I've never seen so many blood stars thrown at me and my army was repeatedly getting cursed by the harpies. I spammed fire wall and corpse explosion quite a bit during these runs (Full Trangs Summoner). No C/I at all. Very stable ping and was again quite enjoyable.


The Bad

The only issue I've had with this patch is that there appears to be random lag spike freezes that last about 3 seconds. My hunch is that this happens when someone else on the server (in a different game from mine but same server) gets a C/I. I think the server "hic-ups" when it kicks someone. Some games it'd happen a couple times. Other games I'd play for over an hour with no freezes at all.

[DeathSpawn]

Just adding more data to the analysis.

The Good

I ran the 3 mini ubers again last night with my summoner.

i also can do that without getting CI (never eard anyone complaining they dropped at mini ubers), but uber tristram is another different story, just let diablo do armageddon and lightning while meph does lightning bolt and baal does fire nova and you'll get a nice CI :sad2:

[PlayWithHonor]

i also can do that without getting CI (never eard anyone complaining they dropped at mini ubers), but uber tristram is another different story, just let diablo do armageddon and lightning while meph does lightning bolt and baal does fire nova and you'll get a nice CI :sad2:


Looks like the CI only happens in special situations where you are stressing the server an exceptional amount. That sucks for you though cuz that is how you like to play. I'm really sorry about that.

I guess nothing is perfect including this patch but my hunch is that for most people this patch has proven to be a blessing as it has for me.


Incidentally, I also ran 25 Baal runs last night with 4 peeps in the game. I spammed my Meteors, one guys laid his lightning traps, another did his Javazon lightning fury thing while using a Zon torch and the fourth guy just stood around picking his nose, lol. No C/I and no issues during any of those runs. I know that is no where near as chaotic as your "take on all 3 Ubers at once in Trist" scenario though.

Good luck bro

[DeathSpawn]

Incidentally, I also ran 25 Baal runs last night with 4 peeps in the game. I spammed my Meteors, one guys laid his lightning traps, another did his Javazon lightning fury thing while using a Zon torch and the fourth guy just stood around picking his nose, lol. No C/I and no issues during any of those runs. I know that is no where near as chaotic as your "take on all 3 Ubers at once in Trist" scenario though.
Good luck bro

the only problem in baalruns will be bow ama or zealot with torch because firestorm will lag a lot. casting teeth will also give another nice CI. dont have problem doing baalruns with other chars, at least this is good :laugh:

[SSoG]

Just did an uber run on Sunday. There were seven people, plus a BO Barb to take it to 8. In the group were two Skelliemancers, three Paladins (Salvation, Conviction/Cleansing, and Fanaticism- and two of them were FoHers), a Trapsin, and a Kicksin. Both skelliemancers had a full complement of skellies, as well as a handful of mages each, and all of those Skellies got Shouted, BO'd, Salvationed, Fanaticismed, Mighted, and sometimes Cleansinged and Amped, to boot. This was, of course, on top of the Trapsin and the FoHers spamming sparkly bolts all over the place, and the Necros cursing all of the bad guys. Managed to do all 3 mini-ubers and Uber Trist in the same game without any lag, or a single connection interrupted.

Perhaps Blizzard has lightened up on their lag-detector so it doesn't boot everyone and anyone now.

[DeathSpawn]

Perhaps Blizzard has lightened up on their lag-detector so it doesn't boot everyone and anyone now.

i'm also starting to think that, just tried an uber trist today and didn't get CI :grin:
btw we're those chars wearing a torch?? torch lags a lot even if you dont do firestorm.

[Arkardo]

Perhaps Blizzard has lightened up on their lag-detector so it doesn't boot everyone and anyone now.

Well, I did two Uber runs today.

The first one: connection interrupt after Mephisto was down and we (a friend of mine and myself) were ganging up on Baal and Diablo. We didn't wait long enough to be able to rejoin... Thank you, Blizzard.

The second one: we waited five minutes before opening. Mephisto went fine. Then we got four (!) connection interrupts before finally defeating Diablo, the last bastard standing. We got one of those interrupts after hitting Diablo ONCE! Jezus, we're sorry Blizzard, for attempting to play one of your games. We are also terribly sorry for making it appear like we were going to dupe. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well, at least we got the Torch in the end; Druid 18/20, worth all the trouble I'd say.

[SSoG]

i'm also starting to think that, just tried an uber trist today and didn't get CI :grin:
btw we're those chars wearing a torch?? torch lags a lot even if you dont do firestorm.

All of the caster characters had a torch (both necros, both FoH pallies, and the Trapsin).

Where did you hear that Torch causes lag even without the Firestorm? I have never heard of that, and I can't think of a single blessed reason why that would be so. Do you have any test data supporting this?

[nNemethon]

Before the thread gets too old and the fibres show at the edges... :)

Since the new update, patch, fix, whatever, I loved Baaling with my Fury Wolf. NEVER had a problem. Now I can rarely play him at all. Get in the throne with a whole 2 or 3 other players and see ya later. I can't level him or enjoy party play with him at all. I can solo run Baal, but then why play on bnet?

Every other character I have including a monstrous Summancer cannot get me a C/I no matter the amount of players, auras, enemies, you name it. But as soon as I wheel out the Fur-brain, it goes to pot. I am lucky to stay in 2 games consecutively without bombing in the throne, or even before it.

It happens also with my zealer, but not as often (except that annoying charge freezing bug). I should not have to remove aura items to detract from the gameplay to actually play and neither should I have to remove my hard-earned torches to play. Putting it point-blank; quick-fixes, workarounds and mass affectations to inhibit the few is a completely shoddy practice and for a game like Diablo that sells itself with it's wonder is, to myself, a betrayal of faith of sorts. Instead, the dupe detection code should be upgraded to a more fierce and definate system.

On the other side, yes the lag is a bit less, but playing from Australia and our backwards telecommunications, you can barely notice the difference. ;) In the last week, it has been a gamble to do a torch run in case I just drop and the game evaporates. So the lag disconnect is no real different and to boot, I we now have inherent C/I's.

Blizzard, PLEASE put new effort into a game that can go so much further.

/rant

**edit - speeling mistkaes

sigh - think they'll listen? :(

Cheers
nNem

[Skelious]

Shenk as soon as i kill him i run away towards the stairs for a bit let the animation run its course go back and check the drops. 15 skells, 13 mages, merc, iron golem and 4 auras. Since i started doing this i don`t get dropped.

Hope this helps.

[Arkardo]

Shenk as soon as i kill him i run away towards the stairs for a bit let the animation run its course go back and check the drops. 15 skells, 13 mages, merc, iron golem and 4 auras. Since i started doing this i don`t get dropped.

Hope this helps.

I'd just make a tp, hop in and get back out. The animation seems to stop when there's no player around.

[Skelious]

Good to know, ty arkardo.