Looking for Suggestions for a complement build

[NewForumBloke]

Ok, so i refining my main account now that im back and im rethinking some of my duelers. Right now im going to have 4 llds and 2 hlds. For my one hld i was thinking about making a tele smiter but as for the other im at a bit of a loss. I really cant think of a build that could possibly complement the areas where he would suffer in, just incase. Any suggestions?

-BLoke :smug:

[KaythonXE]

Smiter has weaknesses against Necros, druids, sorcs. A heavy es sorc is the key to defeating all of these. Maybe a bvc, but they're weak against sorc/necro. Ghostsin is strong against those three, same with trappers.

[NewForumBloke]

A trapper doesnt sound too bad to me, never thought about that and ive had experience with them and im pretty sure i know how to build a nice one lol. Right now i seem to be in favor of the trapper.

Besides, dont most es sorcies need truely ridiculous items to be good? Atm i dont have ridiculous at my disposil, but i think a trapper i can swing and make nice.

-BLoke :smug:

[KaythonXE]

I suppose, es sorcs are kind of expensive if legit, and bad too. ;/ Uhm, trappers are easy. W/s are better overall, but c/c's are cheaper. C/c's are nice, for less experieced trappers.

[Smithenator]

Id have to disagree, claws for c/c can get very expensive if you want great ones.

that aside, a wwsin has the best chance against those 3 characters I would think, bvc has some troubles with a necro and is pretty damn expensive so thats out from what you've told us about your budget.

[KaythonXE]

You can get +3 traps 2os very very cheap, and they're pretty effective since traps really don't matter on damage.

[Dirty Scorpion]

You can get +3 traps 2os very very cheap, and they're pretty effective since traps really don't matter on damage.

what does matter if not trap dmg?

[mephiztophelez]

I suppose, es sorcs are kind of expensive if legit, and bad too. ;/ Uhm, trappers are easy. W/s are better overall, but c/c's are cheaper. C/c's are nice, for less experieced trappers.
:shocked:
You can get +3 traps 2os very very cheap, and they're pretty effective since traps really don't matter on damage.
say wha?

i would much rather use hoto/spirit or even hoto/stormshield than a pair of plain +3 trap claws. even with 4 sockets between them.

theres a reason hoto/spirit is the cookie-cutter: its good. they go a long way to getting 102fcr and 86fhr and add a good spalsh of res into the bargain. hoto/stormshield is seemingly only used by idiots like me who take their pvm ilkori'sins into pvp games every now and again for ****s & giggles.

good trap claws are worth a premium. good ww/trap claws are insanely expensive just for 2-mod shells. a decent fool's/trap claw is gonna cost big pixels unless you find a noob holding one. high-speed/low-req claws like Greater Talons/Claws rocket the cost up even further.

make no mistake: gg c/c sin's are not cheap, especially if your chasing good FCR and good FHR into the bargain. about the only 'off the shelf' claw that has any place in PVP is the Jade Talon. even then it needs ias in it to be really useful.

part of the reason is that so few people recognise a good claw when they see it. i shudder to think how many gg claws have been trashed by someone who had no idea the plain white greater talon with +3lit sentry, +3 venom & +3-mindblast they found on a hell baal run could actually be useful.

[KaythonXE]

Hoto/spirit is gross in the hands of a trap amateur, and finding the ias to hit 9 frame trap laying is hard with a hoto.

c/c allows for the blocking of pretty much anything in the game. That's why it's better in the hands of a noob. Not to mention, it's very easy to get max trap laying speed and high res.

[mephiztophelez]

Hoto/spirit is gross in the hands of a trap amateur, and finding the ias to hit 9 frame trap laying is hard with a hoto.

c/c allows for the blocking of pretty much anything in the game. That's why it's better in the hands of a noob. Not to mention, it's very easy to get max trap laying speed and high res.
while i agree with the virtues of weapon block, i regard hoto as a BoS only weapon.

c/c can place a lot of strain on FCR and FHR requirements. a hoto/spirit trapper is a lot, LOT cheaper to build and get out amongst it. if you get seriously sweet claws, they can always be subbed in later. the skillset doesn't really vary for a straight trapper. but in terms of meeting 102/86 without fcr on your armour, weapons or shields. it's gonna be tricky, and expensive.

now a 174 viper'sin is a lot of fun.

[KaythonXE]

174 sins are good, not when they use VIPERMAGI. It matters 100% completely what you do STAT wise if you're either weapon/shield or claw/claw. You NEED NEED NEED to cast fade with Hoto/spirit for DR. Learn your builds please.

[Ce Olba]

Maybe a bvc, but they're weak against sorc/necro.

Sorry to nitpick, but the only sorc that a BvC would constantly lose to is an absolutely godly FB ES max block one. Nothing else. I've dueled non-es and es sorcs of all kind. Orbers are a joke since they have to complain about dual Ravens (heck, I beat one of those with a single raven and an angelic ring for the heck of it. With 20% FCR). Blizzard sorcs are decent, but they lack a fast, long-range attack. Lightning sorcs are a joke. Their average damage is horrible and even my welfare BvC has enough LR to stack about 50ish over the LR limit. Plus, an ES Lightning sorc loses damage-wise to FB sorcs by a couple thousands.

I would say that the only sorcs whom are a threat to the BvC are godly ES FBers and some Blizzers. And yes, I have dueled godly ES FBers. Some that outskilled and -geared me, so of course I couldn't win. Not versus someone with pretty much perfect gear and charms compared to my welfare BvC. Plus, Europe lacks cold resistance rings.

[KaythonXE]

Any sorc > Barb ty. Except maybe a two handed sorc. :/ Vita sorcs own barbs due to outranging. :/ Stacked fhr + high fcr > Barb. Anyways, we're talking about trappers, not how you slay barbs on sorcs.

[Ce Olba]

Any sorc > Barb ty. Except maybe a two handed sorc. :/ Vita sorcs own barbs due to outranging. :/ Stacked fhr + high fcr > Barb. Anyways, we're talking about trappers, not how you slay barbs on sorcs.

Sorry, Barbarians have the same FCR breakpoints as sorcs. A sorc, at best, teleports 3 frames faster than a BvC but you have to take into account that they also attack 3 frames slower.

I don't recall ever losing constantly to a vita sorc, for the record.

Just because you failed with a BvC does not mean everyone does. Wasn't it you who lost to a BvC with a medic? If Anything>BvC and you are so great, then how come you lost? Shouldn't that be impossible? Oh wait, you are just pulling stuff out of the thin air.

[KaythonXE]

If only my medic shot holy bolts that damaged for 500 life instead of healed for 500 life. :( Your BvC uses an 18 dex raven I don't think you're very good either. Iso you on d2pk to slay you with my sorc.

[Ce Olba]

If only my medic shot holy bolts that damaged for 500 life instead of healed for 500 life. :( Your BvC uses an 18 dex raven I don't think you're very good either. Iso you on d2pk to slay you with my sorc.

I think it's obvious that
a) I don't play on d2pk and don't plan to
b) haven't played for a while

And even if I did play, I wouldn't step to a handicrafted realm that allows stuff like 50 life skillers. Please, try your sorc on West versus mcm and see if you can survive.

And I use those Ravens because I've had the 247/17 for a long time and the 241/20 one was given to me by a friend when he found it. if you consider me a bad player because of an 18 dex Raven, then why not whine about my imperfect ar/life charms that are merely 3x life?

[KaythonXE]

I don't plan on going back to any realm other than the one I'm on. Too many hacks, bots, and dupes for me.

[Uncle_Mike]

If only my medic shot holy bolts that damaged for 500 life instead of healed for 500 life. :( Your BvC uses an 18 dex raven I don't think you're very good either. Iso you on d2pk to slay you with my sorc.

You might as well "diso" him on d2pk as you very well know he does not play there - hopefully Mainaman or Box will provide a challenge as they seem to have access to it (I am by no means asking you guys to do that).

And yes, 2 dex on raven would not make a big difference to say the least. Stop making claims unless you can back them up in duels Kaython - and please for a change challenge someone you could actually duel :evil:

edit@above: the realm you play is all dupes/artificial items - not much of an argument if you ask me.

[KaythonXE]

Why must I always go to your whacky other realms to lay the smackdown? No one would come to East NL, and no one will come to D2pk.

[Uncle_Mike]

Why must I always go to your whacky other realms to lay the smackdown? No one would come to East NL, and no one will come to D2pk.

There are people on d2pk and I surely hope they are up for some duels against you. AFAIK there was no smacktown on East Nl either.

[Ce Olba]

There are people on d2pk and I surely hope they are up for some duels against you. AFAIK there was no smacktown on East Nl either.

The best players are, from what I know, on the realms. For example, mcm. He is the sole person I would want to beat up Kaython.

Why must I always go to your whacky other realms to lay the smackdown? No one would come to East NL, and no one will come to D2pk.

Because the best players do not move according to your word. You are the one supposed to move according to their word if you want to prove yourself. You are the one who needs to prove stuff, they don't.

[KaythonXE]

AFAIK there was no smacktown on East Nl either.
Don't understand.

Luis was scared of me, and everyone else is scared to move to a realm I play in. :(

[Ce Olba]

Don't understand.

Luis was scared of me, and everyone else is scared to move to a realm I play in. :(

So you are saying Luis was scared because he did not duel you because he judged that dueling your hammerdin would've been extremely boring? No, that's not running.

And you are not someone to call others runners when you were dueling mcm with your "medic".

[Uncle_Mike]

Don't understand.

Luis was scared of me, and everyone else is scared to move to a realm I play in. :(

As much as I would love to be impartial here...

Many of your statements are either perceived to be utterly wrong or exaggerated by most of the community so there is hardly any reason for them to move to another realm to prove you wrong.

AFAIK Louis did not bother dueling you rather than was scarred.

also a general remark: keep it clean everyone

[Ce Olba]

As much as I would love to be impartial here...

Many of your statements are either perceived to be utterly wrong or exaggerated by most of the community so there is hardly any reason for them to move to another realm to prove you wrong.

AFAIK Louis did not bother dueling you rather than was scarred.

also a general remark: keep it clean everyone

3 things:

1. You misspelled 'scared' as 'scarred'. Not that it would matter, it's just funny.
2. It's Luis
3. kaythonXE even posted what looked like an AIM chat of theirs and it clearly showed that Luis didn't bother to duel him since Kaython had described his way of dueling on the forums and it was pretty overly defensive.

[KaythonXE]

He was scared to get 5-0'd. :) And I did 1-0 him in a pub. :)
Who is mcm? Smash? The fact smash even died to that horrible hdin I made on west is pathetic. First off, I bought some perm.. dunno the boots, equivalent of soul spurs I suppose. They poofed, so my build was off. Second, I had like 57% block, 8x gc spots open. He's been playing on west forever and ever, and I had like 200 constant ping on west. He was using completely perfect gear, I don't even know how he managed to die to me even once.

[Ce Olba]

He was scared to get 5-0'd. :) And I did 1-0 him in a pub. :)

1-0 means that you killed him once and never gave him a chance to kill you again, huh?

And why would Luis even bother with you since he clearly said that he nowadays only does team duels? Plus, he quit D2 already.

Who is mcm? Smash? The fact smash even died to that horrible hdin I made on west is pathetic. First off, I bought some perm.. dunno the boots, equivalent of soul spurs I suppose. They poofed, so my build was off. Second, I had like 57% block, 8x gc spots open. He's been playing on west forever and ever, and I had like 200 constant ping on west. He was using completely perfect gear, I don't even know how he managed to die to me even once.

Mcm = Smash = Romper Stomper on these forums.

You surely don't know the deciding factors in a duel, do you? Luck, Skill, Gear, Connection and Character Advantages. You just got hellishly lucky. It's a fact that even the weakest hammerdin is capable of PvPing to some extent. Heck, I've done random pubkilling with my old PvM hammerdin who was built before I had an enigma back in 1.10 so no torch either. Oh, and back then my best item was a Hoto. And I think the paladin has like 2k life or so.

[KaythonXE]

He had vastly superior gear, connection.
This was a long long time ago, and Luis s/e'd after I killed him once, never came back.

[Ce Olba]

He had vastly superior gear, connection.
This was a long long time ago, and Luis s/e'd after I killed him once, never came back.

How long ago is this "long long time"? And what's odd about S/E'ing in a public game? Why couldn't he just change the game whenever he wants to? Oh but wait, by your lacking logic anyone who exits from a game you are in is obviously running from you, right? This is the only possible option since you are ah-so-perfect, right?

[KaythonXE]

Back when I was talking crap to him. Him and Jim were in a pub game, I came in and killed Luis. Then I said lol luis is garbage. He said zz brb, s/e'd. never came back.

[HappyAssassin]

Thread is pretty OT now, if you want to argue about past duels/discussions take it to PM.

[KaythonXE]

Except that Jim was spamming his friend's list Luis dodged a random.

[NewForumBloke]

Ok, wow. When did a thread i make become an arguement she said he said spam? About the first page of comments were very helpful, but as for the rest... I mean i read one page and all i got was crap that in all honesty, i could care less for and in no way applied to this thread. I mean come on. You two bickered back in forth for a good 2 damn pages. If your going to chat about things that dont apply to someone's thread topic/request take it on the game or do it over some chat program.

Its when threads get like this, that really makes me sad.

Ty Happy, im glad someone is lookin out for ppl who get this off topic, think your going to make a sweet mod.

-BLoke :smug: