After hundreds of Baal runs with numerous characters, in Normal, Nightmare and Hell, it has come to my attention that I had not yet seen a single Hydra Sorceress. To me, Hydra had always been a fascinating skill to use, and because of this I had made high level Hydra sorceress' in both 1.08 and 1.09. But as of late (1.10 and onwards) I find that the number of these "breeds" is diminishing rather quickler. Either that or I just can't see them around. With synergies being released and more powerful items, runewords and charms to use, I have taken it upon myself to try and revive the Hydra Sorceress. (Emphasis on the word try)
... and so Omikami was born. (Omikami being the Japanese Goddess of the Sun - It's a fitting name I think).
She has just turned 34 or so, and Ive been using a higher level character to Baal run her through Normal (it's very useful having 2 computers and 2 cd keys). She hasn't gone solo on anything yet but Im hoping to have her running smoothly once Hydra is high enough.
There are however, a few questions on the mechanics of Hydra that I would like to find out - that is if anyone knows - specifically the a Phoenix Monarch.The runeword gives off a -28% to Enemy Fire Resistance. Does this only apply if the damage is coming directly from me? If a Hydra that I spawned was hitting a monster, would this -28% Fire Resistance affect the Hydra too?
Im hoping to eventually write up a guide for a Hydra Sorceress, as I havent seen one posted yet. Of course it will take some time first, once I finish the game with her, know her strengths and weaknesses and what she is capable of doing.
If you ever want to talk, offer advice or opinions, Im always welcome for the input. I play USWest Ladder, obviously on the new Sorceress Omikami.
... I hope this isnt breaking any rules @__@
mephiztophelez
29-01-2007, 03:51
hmm, according to section one of Ernir's TYSKAD2: (http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?FN=d2-gameplay&T=163465&P=1)
1. How do Traps and Rainbow Facets work together?
The -res% and +damage% on Griffon's Eye and Facets do not add to trap damage. With the exceptions of Fire Blast and Shock Web, the Assassin Traps are considered minions by the game. Your minions do not benefit from any -res% or +damage% your character has.
Note that Sorceress Hydras benefit from both Fire Mastery and Facets. This is explained by T-Hawk:
The missiles fired by Hydra have a special-case check of their caster's "+% Fire Skill Damage" ability. That's why Hydra works with Fire Mastery and Facets. This check was added in version 1.05; before that, Fire Mastery didn't boost Hydra damage.
so, one would assume that since Facets work with Hydra's, other sources of - enemy fire res will also work. however this is an assumption on my part and to assume can make an '*** out of U and Me'
Thank you for enlightening me on what would seem a lead at the moment. I guess I'll have to check up on it, someway or another. I do know that Fire Mastery works with Hydra, so +% should work, it was really the -% that I was wondering about.
Any gear you have that you have that adds +% fire dmg or -% enemy fire resists will effect hydra. This is in keeping with monsters inherit resists of course. I personally like a level 1 hydra at least on all my HC sorcs for the scouting factor. I recently read a mini-guide on a orb/hydra sorc. If I remember correctly it was on the amazon basin. There also was a mention here in the sorc guides thread of a couple variants in the Tri-elementalist guide posted by (zixao) I believe. I hope that helps you out.
I recently read a mini-guide on a orb/hydra sorc. If I remember correctly it was on the amazon basin.
That's exactly the build Im remaking. I'll go look for that guide and see what it's like, Im hoping to get into as much details as possible with my guide, however I'll need to play around with her first to get used to playing one again.
mephiztophelez
29-01-2007, 06:21
i actually levelled my fire sorc from 90 to 91 last night just to get a previously omitted point into Hydra. i figure being able to splash some extra confusion around on the blood moor can only be A Good Thing (tm). gonna go try it out soon!
That's exactly the build Im remaking. I'll go look for that guide and see what it's like, Im hoping to get into as much details as possible with my guide, however I'll need to play around with her first to get used to playing one again.
this might help http://www.theamazonbasin.com/d2/forums/index.php?showtopic=55166
Just as a heads up, it's against forum rules to link to "competitors". How that rule is interpreted varies. In the Paladin forum, for instance, they've outlawed linking to *ANY* outside sites, which means anything that doesn't have "diabloii.net" somewhere in the address. In various other forums, you're allowed to link to outside sites as long as they do not have an attached forum (which would make them a "competitor"). I don't know what the exact rules are in the Sorceress forum, but I do know that no matter what forum you're on, linking to the Amazon Basin is against the rules.
Like I said, just giving you a heads up so you don't accidentally get into trouble. :smiley:
Disclaimer aside, Hydrorb is one of my favorite character builds of all time (along with Fireclaw Bear and LF/PJ/FA hybrid Javazon).
Grumpy Old Wizard
30-01-2007, 16:46
I have played a pure hydra sorc before, but I was frustrated by fire immunes. I do not like single tree sorc builds and am much happier with a hydra/orb sorc.
Hydra/Orb build:
20 Firebolt
20 Fireball
20 Hydra
1+
20 Frozen Orb
1+
One Point wonders:
1 Static Field
1 Telekinesis
1 Teleport
1 Warmth
Work on Orb first. When you get Orb advance it to around 8-10 and stop since it does not need much of an investment to kill in normal and nightmare. Put 1 in Cold mastery and fire mastery. Work on your hydras and then fireball before you come back to Orb.
Building a hydra-orb sorc like this makes sure your hydras remain effective throughout your sorc life.
For a pure hydra build you could afford to invest more in fireball early to help those early levels (though a fireball leaf staff works great too.)
mephiztophelez
30-01-2007, 17:17
ok, i tried it out. i liek it. i liek it a lot.
i am remaking my 200/142 pvp fire sorc to include more points in hydra (and less in strength). is verra useful when deployed to ones advantage. if nothing else, it gieb your opponent something else to worry about.
Asmodeous
31-01-2007, 00:26
A guide to the Hydra using Sorceress.
Written for Diablo II/LOD V1.10 by Asmodeous
Introduction.
Hydra. For a level 30 Spell, Hydra has always come last in the "mostest" damage spell contest amongst the Sorceress's many spells. And for this reason, few players will choose this spell in v1.10. This, I can't understand why. Is it just too hard to create, to play, Or maybe people don't truly understand this spells potential? I think, Its time for a guide to help blow all the myths about this spell away, and replace them with Hot, firey Facts. Sit back, and enjoy this guide. At the end of it, Decide if the Hydress is for you. Believe me, after I wrote it, I said yes to that very question.
How does Hydra work?
Hydra, is a three headed firey dragon, that appears from the ground where you cast it.
from the three heads, it fires bolts of fire at any monster or target with in range.
Duration 10 seconds.
Active Duration 8 seconds.
Casting Delay 2 seconds.
Maximum number of fire bolts fired 24 in total, 8 from each head.
Total rate of Fire 3 fire bolts per second.
Range Approximately 9 yards (3/4 of screen at 800 x 600 res)
Basically, when you cast a Hydra, it takes one second to animate and begin working. It then begins firing at any available targets. It then will fire at any targets for 8 seconds, before taking one second to disappear. Combined with the casting delay, this means that you can have up to 5 Hydra’s on screen at any one time, but only 4 of them will be active at any one time.
The Hydra will fire up to a total of 24 bolts of fire, each bolt does fire damage at the listed damage for the spells level. As all fire spells do, the damage is increased with Fire mastery. Hydra also has two Synergy spells to further increase its damage, but more of these later.
The spell will not fire unless is has a target, so its possible to cast the spell, and have it fire less than 24 bolts, this is a maximum that is only fired if the spell does not run out of targets.
Damage.
I highly recommend that the spell be used with Fire mastery and if you plan to utilize this spell and at least 10 skill points in any one synergy. You will need to spend a total of 20 points both on Hydra and Fire mastery in order for the spell to be useful though out the game. So, im going to assume that this is what you will do when using this spell. Its pretty much useless any other way. The Initial Damage figures include 1 point in Fire Bolt and Fire Ball as these are Pre requisites.
Here we have the damage figures for the synergy skills, Fire Bolt and Fire Ball. Both grant a damage bonus of a lousy 3%, so you can mix these any way you feel fit. The number represents the total amount of either synergy skill.
Damage for Hydra/Fire mastery c/w 1 Point Fire Bolt & Fire Ball.
Level 20 = 361 - 427. (15 = 493 - 585 / 20 = 624 - 711 / 25 = 596 - 706 / 30 = 647 - 767)
Level 25 = 562 - 653. (15 = 769 - 894 / 20 = 848 - 986 / 25 = 912 - 1060 / 30 = 1007 - 1172)
Level 30 = 827 - 947. (15 = 1132 - 1296 / 20 = 1249 - 1430 / 25 = 1366 - 1564 / 30 = 1483 / 1698)
Level 32 = 954 - 1086. (15 = 1305 - 1486 / 20 = 1440 - 1640 / 25 = 1575 - 1794 / 30 = 1710 - 1948)
Level 34 = 1088 - 1234. (15 = 1489 - 1688 / 20 = 1643 - 1862 / 25 = 1797 - 2037 / 30 = 1951 - 2212)
Level 35 = 1158 - 1310. (15 = 1584 - 1791 / 20 = 1748 - 1978 / 25 = 1912 - 2163 / 30 = 2076 - 2349)
Level 36 = 1230 - 1389. (15 = 1682 - 1900 / 20 = 1856 - 2096 / 25 = 2031 - 2293 / 30 = 2205 - 2490)
Level 37 = 1303 - 1469. (15 = 1783 - 2010 / 20 = 1968 - 2218 / 25 = 2152 - 2426 / 30 = 2337 - 2634)
Level 38 = 1379 - 1552. (15 = 1886 - 2123 / 20 = 2081 - 2343 / 25 = 2277 - 2563 / 30 = 2472 - 2782)
And if you Manage to spend 80 skill points on Hydra, Fire Mastery and both synergies?
Level 38 = 1379 - 1552. (40 = 2862 - 3222)
As you can see, Hydra really needs those Synergy Skills. And, It needs those Items that Boost your Skill levels. 18 or more to Fire skills is a typical set up.
Many players will be able to gain more than this.
Damage per second.
Simple maths. 24 fire bolts over 8 seconds is 3 bolts per second. At level 35 with 30 synergy skills points this is about 6,637 points of fire damage per second. When compared to spells such as Firewall and Meteor the damage seems very low. But keep in mind how this spell works. You can have up to four Hydra's working. It also actively targets where as Firewall and Meteor are dumb, area effect spells that work only when a monster runs/walks or hopefully stands in these spells.
If a monster runs through a 7,000 point firewall, only spending ¼ of a second actually in the firewall, that’s not a great deal of damage. Like most spells available to the Sorceress, there will always be times when one spell is more effective than another, and Hydra is no different. We will look at some strategies useful for Hydra later on, and see how versatile this spell can be.
The Fifth Hydra.
You can have five Hydra's on screen, But only four of them will be active. Can you have a Fifth active Hydra? Well, Yes. Its called Fire Ball. You've spent the skill points on the skill as well as Fire Mastery. Equip some fast cast Items, hot key the skill and spam while waiting for those casting timers. You are the Fifth Hydra.
The Second Element.
Ok, You have spend the skill points in buying and building Hydra, Fire Mastery and 20 points on Fireball as a nice synergy/Fifth Hydra. That's just cost you 63 skill points. Assuming a level 85 Sorceress in the heavily XP nerfed V1.10, you have 33 skill points left. Not a lot is it?
For this reason, You really only have one choice of Elements for your Second. And only three viable choices of spells for those few skill points left over.
But first, Lets have a look at a couple of other must have choices we need.
If your really keen, then go looking for a rare orb with skill levels in a lightning or cold skill. You can then spend points in the equivilant mastery with no pre req's required and build up a low damage second element very cheaply and keep the rare orb on the weapon switch.
Static Field. No Sorceress can do with out her Static Field. Or can she? Consider even this single point expenditure. Why? Act Two Mercenary, Pole arm weapon, Three sockets, Shael, Um and Tir Runes for the Cresent Moon rune word. Consider very carefully.
Warmth. One pointer. Our huge boosts from items will make up for the short fall of any mana regeneration we need.
Teleport.No skill points should be spent here. Teleport needs two skill points to aquire and this skill is better to get another way. Three socket armor with the runes Jah, Ith and Ber.
This is the Enigma rune work which grants +1 to teleport as well as +2 to skills and many other useful attributes. Its going to be tough levelling with out Teleport untill you can equip the Enigma Rune Word, so you might buckle and spend the two skill points. Its your choice. If you really want the meanest Hydress around, you will make the sacrifice. Hey, other classes make do with out Teleporting. Some use item charges and so can you.
Ok, so assuming you want a skill point in Static field, we have 32 skill points left to spend for a final character level of 85. Here is how we spend these.
Frozen Orb.No surprise this one. Needs 26 skill points for the typical level 20 forb/1 Cold Mastery. 6 points left to use either to boost Cold Mastery, Hydra synergy, or perhaps a bit of both. It is a good partner spell for Hydra, except that it too is timered.
Blizzard. Now this could be a better choice. 25 skill points, 7 to spare, but the reason to choose this skill over the much loved Forb is the way this spell works. Its a Blizzard. A big area full of chilling, Slowing cold damage. Park a couple of Hydra's amongst all those poor, slowed monsters and watch the body count grow!
Glacial Spike. 23 skill points, 10 to spare. Not a great choice because its a real mana chewing spammer. You dont really have the mana nor the regeneration to really support this, well, you do. Just don't use it all the time. Its great here and there. Spike a monster and freeze it. Park a firey three headed buddy next door. Can it get any easier?
Skill Points for Hydra.
The usual just enough Strength for Items applies here. Consider building your Dexterity up to 75% shield blocking levels. It's not that you really need it given the range of Hydra. You can keep out of the action quite well. But, for the same reason, you dont need a huge amount of Vitality. The spells you will probably be using are mostly Timered so you wont need a huge amount of Mana either. for these reasons, Dexterity for Shield blocking is a good idea. Consider Base dexterity if you want to use a Staff.
Formula for working out blocking rates.
Required Dexterity = 15 + (required block %) * (level x2)/(listed shield block)
For Example, level 70 Sorceress with an upgraded Visceratuant Shield.
Required Dexterity = 15 + (required block %) * 140/.
Equipping for Hydra.
As you can see from the Damage tables, this spell loves levels. Just compare the damage between level 32 to level 38. If you plan to use this spell, your main item requirement is items that add to the Fire tree Skills as well as items that add to Skill levels in general.
I consider a level of 32 in total to be the absolute minimum, and the spell begins to get very nasty at level 36+.
Apart from that, there is little else that the spell requires. Its cheap to cast mana wise and is timed, so no special amount of mana or regeneration is required. Pretty much any sorceress will be able to cast hydra continuously.
Some fast cast is a good idea for the "Fifth Hydra" Fire Ball spamming and this set up provides this as well.
Suggested Set Up.
Heart of the Oak Rune Word (Flail), Echuta's Temper or Mang Song's Lesson.
Enigma Rune Word (Archon Plate).
Upgraded Visceratuant Shield (heater).
Harlequin Crest.
Mara’s Kaliedascope or Tal Rasha’s Adjudication or Rare Amulet.
Mage Fist.
Stone of Jordan. (1 or 2)
Arachnid Mesh Belt.
Silk Weaves or Boots of Your Choice.
This set up will give you 13 -15 to fire skills assuming one Stone Of Jordan. You should be able to gain another 1-3 to fire skills from various skill charms in the back pack which is going to make a rather nasty pet Hydra. You can increase your Hydra damage even further with a good Echuta's Temper. with an extra 20% fire damage please. Or, grab a Mang Song's Lesson. The negative to monsters fire resistances works much the same way, in that increases the amount of damage monsters will take from your Elemental attacks.
Hydra Strategies.
Here are a few techniques to get the most of your Hydra spells!
1). Hydra in a Box. I love this trick. Used in dungeons with rooms such as the Jail in act 1, or the tombs of Radament in act 2. Teleport into a closed room. Cast a Hydra. If there isn’t too many monsters in the room, you might want to stick around to cast another, otherwise, simply teleport out of the room, leaving any monsters, to play with a 3 headed firey Hydra. I’m sure they will appreciate it!
2). Hydra scout. If your running through open fields, such as the cow farm, cast a Hydra at max range in the direction you are going. If the Hydra begins firing, you know you have monsters ahead. By the time you arrive close to the first Hydra, your ready to create a friend for it. In another 4 seconds, you have 4 Hydra’s blasting away at the monsters and odds are, few of them you will ever get to meet you in person.
3). Corners. Now, this is a good reason for this spell alone. Got a bunch of monsters
just around the next corner? Yeah, simple isn’t it? Cast your hydra in the corner and let the first thing the monsters see of you, is your pet three headed friend.
4). Casting thru walls. If you know that there are monsters on the other side of the wall or door, then cast a Hydra on the wall or door. Usually, the hydra will be split by the wall, with 1 or 2 heads appearing on the other side. Continue casting Hydra’s to your hearts content. This might be a game bug, It might not. matters not. Reap this quirk for all its worth.
5). Hydra Path. On the run from a particularly nasty beastie? Well, as you run away from the monster, assuming it will follow you, simply cast Hydra’s ahead of you.
By the time the Hydra activates, the monster is in range and runs head on into its bolts.
6).Ring Around the Hydra. Simply run circles around an area, casting Hydra’s where ever you please. As the monsters follow you, the Hydra’s will spit fire at their sorry butts as they try to catch you.
7). LEB Toast. Ouch! Just encountered a LEB? Well, let the range of Hydra do the dirty work. Beat a retreat until the LEB is of screen and cast Hydra’s at range in its direction. By the time the lightning bolts reach you, they will be so far apart, it will be child’s play for you to avoid.
When Hydra is not so hot.
1). Very fast monsters. For example, Stygian dolls. The bolts from Hydra are fairly slow, and are fired at the location the beastie is at the time. Odds are, the beastie won’t be there by the time the bolt arrives. even head on, when these dolls “retreat”, the little buggers are so fast, they outrun the Hydra’s bolts. Not the best way to deal with such monsters.
2). Solitary Hydra. One hydra is not so hot. Two is ok, three is good and four is an Aussie summer bar-b-que. Enough Burnt meat to feed an army. It takes 9 seconds before you have 4 Hydra’s actively blasting away. When you are in the thick of things, that’s going to seem an eternity.
3). PvP. Worth a mention. Pretty much any fire spell is useless versus a decent PvP player. Granted, that Hydra is better than the rest, as an opponent has to keep moving
to avoid the bolts, but the skill is pre requisite heavy and there are far better ways to spend 60 odd skill points for PvP. watch out for PK murders, Low life’s love to stack this spell on way points for you to appear right in the middle of. Cheap, real cheap.
Mercenary.
Just about everybody will tell you the best Mercenary for a Hydress is the Holy Freeze Act Two Town Guard. Well, this is a pretty good suggestion. But, there is another worthy of your consideration.
The Cold Iron Wolf from Act Three. Why? Glacial Spike. You cast the Hydra's, Mercenary casts the Glacial Spikes to freeze monsters solid giving your Hydra's a nice easy target.
Ok, it isn't that great an idea because the mercenary isn't smart enough to change targets once the monster is frozen and Hydra's is having it for lunch. Pity. Just for once, I would love to endorse a mercenary for any character build instead of an act two town guard.
Conclusion.
The Hydress really demonstrates how important item selection can be in V1.10. The bulk of these toys are rather hard to get and therefore expensive. Even then, The Hydress isn't the true uber killing machine Sorceress we all miss from V1.09. No. To Build a Hydress is to build a character to have fun with. It's a bit like building a melee Sorceress, Beastmancer, Singer Barb or Ranger. Its fun. A challenge is always fun. This is where the Hydress is. A fun, challenging Build. Veteran players will cherish her for that alone. Playing one is a bit like a Trapasin or Zoo keeper. Avid Sorceress fan die hards should all have a Hydress in their stable. It just seems right. Can you brag that you have a Matriarch Hydress? No? Time you got started then.
Very very nice guide. Full of lots of information and strategies, very informative. Glad you posted it, especially the "Aussie Summer Barbeque" (Im an Aussie! xD)
Might I suggest, while being expensive, maybe considering a Pheonix Monarch to add into the higher end gears? The -28% Fire Resistance from Enemies may help out with increased damage. While I haven't tested this myself, hopefully in the future I'll get the chance.
Asmodeous
01-02-2007, 03:57
Good suggestion about the pheonix rassler.
This guide is pretty old, being for V1.10. probably needs an update to v1.11 and the latest rune words.
I mainly posted the guide "as is" because the original poster mentioned that he hadn't seen any guides about hydra so I thought it a good opportunity to post mine.
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