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Hi all (again)
I started building a spamazon inspired by Yossarian's build. While much fun (and effective!) I decided to try out normal (cookie cutter) bowazon gear.
Now i have a BOTD hydra bow, then tried out a Faith GM bow, and i can't really tell much difference. Damage increased with faith by about 300, and if anything i seem to be going slower. (60 ias on BOTD is pretty hard to beat)
And ive heard some faith using bowazons saying that they have 6k damage with guided arrow, am i missing out on something? Or do they use mass expensive and powerful charms?
I have about 360 dex at level 74, missing out on the +30 all stats with botd using faith, doing about 3.5k damage, which is nice IMO. At the moment i'm just using her as a pit-strafer. Which is going well.
Any suggestions?
kingdryland
27-01-2007, 13:49
What's the base of your faith? Gmb? Your total ias when using faith? Skills from faith boost critical/pierce a bit as well and the runeword is itd also. Rest of your gear?
What's the base of your faith? Gmb? Your total ias when using faith? Skills from faith boost critical/pierce a bit as well and the runeword is itd also. Rest of your gear?
Grand matron bow yes, +1 to bow skills (unfortunatly, they can have +3 cant they?)
I stuck on a fortitude archon plate, Kept delirium for pit runs i'm doing. Gear as follows:
Laying of hands
Fort archon plate
Cats eye/highlords
Nos' coil
dual ravens
Treks
Maybe i should stick an ias jewel in a mavina helm and use that?
So that's 50 ias at the moment. I dont know the exact IAS % increase when using a level 12 fanaticism from faith. With BOTD i have 110% ias. The damage is slightly higher with the faith than the botd.
I'm not sure what point i'm trying to make here. Bear with me :brainiac:
Grand matron bow yes, +1 to bow skills (unfortunatly, they can have +3 cant they?)
They can have from +(1-3) bowskills. Keep in mind that the fana aura also is party friendly (and merc). I'd pick windforce over botd anytime, and I'd also pick faith over windforce. :)
Yossarian
27-01-2007, 15:09
You don't use the dragon armor? :( It's a key to the spamazon along with the BOTD.
For the traditional route
Fort
IAS/ED helm
War Travs (huge boost)
Raven + High dex + min or + max rare
5-6 GC with +10 max +ar...
and few small +3 max and you'll hit 6000 with 400 into dex.
kingdryland
27-01-2007, 15:20
Imo in pvm faith>windforce>botd. Although the more you lvl the more effective wf it gets. Great bow indeed.
Ditch that delirium and treks, use a tiara/diadem with 3 sockets and 3x15ias/whatever jewels and of course war traveler boots.I don't bother with max charms in pvm. You need a total of 95% ias if your faith has at least lvl 13 fana.
You don't use the dragon armor? :( It's a key to the spamazon along with the BOTD.
For the traditional route
Fort
IAS/ED helm
War Travs (huge boost)
Raven + High dex + min or + max rare
5-6 GC with +10 max +ar...
and few small +3 max and you'll hit 6000 with 400 into dex.
I've got the dragon armor in stash, at the moment i'm just toying round with cookie cutter ideas.
With faith i hit 17k attack rating, without it i have 8.3k. My friend has a 120/45 bone visage that i might pick up off him. And i forgot about the +damage from the war travs, i'm going to use them now :flip:
my gear is
2/15/3 gmb
fortitude
kira's with ias/lr jewel
highlord's wrath
goreriders
trangoul's belt >.< been working with it since before i got the kira's and im too lazy to change
raven frost
random mana leech ring
loh
8 free spaces left in inventory, arrows in cube
all the rest are max dmg charms
hitting 6.7k max ga, 4.7k multi iirc, 8fpa
imo gore's >> war riders
i have, 15k? ar with faith
not that it's really impt because i don't go ubering with it
life is a pitiful 600+ because i can't afford max/life charms
but that's usually not a problem because i don't go in front where things can kill me
I lack the resources to stock up on mass +dmg charms. I'm sure i'll get there eventually. Only been playing this zon for a couple days :jig:
Level 80 now, she's not doing too bad. Souls 1 hit her though, due to res and life issues.
Veilside
27-01-2007, 18:41
I lack the resources to stock up on mass +dmg charms. I'm sure i'll get there eventually. Only been playing this zon for a couple days :jig:
Level 80 now, she's not doing too bad. Souls 1 hit her though, due to res and life issues.
Why would you ever need loads of + damage charms for pvm? It's a waste of time for pvm and it's always useful having lots of space to be able to pick up more than a couple of items at a time.
hmm, that's an interesting concept
but hey, it makes you judge which items are worth keeping and what are not
imo 35k for 6 spaces isn't 'worth it'
Veilside
02-02-2007, 16:31
hmm, that's an interesting concept
but hey, it makes you judge which items are worth keeping and what are not
imo 35k for 6 spaces isn't 'worth it'
When you really have to res your merc because he's stupidly gotten himself IM'ed and then runs to jab stuff in the face, you'll be thankful for the space you've saved. It also stops irritating pubs stealing your potions if you die.
one more thing for you to chew on
im playing a glass cannon multizon
what's the point of making a glass cannon if you're not going all out for damage?
Veilside
02-02-2007, 16:42
one more thing for you to chew on
im playing a glass cannon multizon
what's the point of making a glass cannon if you're not going all out for damage?
Because for pvm having a few extra points in damage is completely pointless IMO. You can choose wether to waste a significant amount of wealth for some charms that won't do very much for your character or you can use those slots to pick up more stuff and keep some items handy when you may possibly need them.
PhatTrumpet
02-02-2007, 17:33
That still doesn't address the fact that the whole point of the build is to go for all-out damage. It's a game, and he happens to have fun making and playing a glass cannon multizon; your opinion of what is "pointless" and "a waste of time" is really quite irrelevant.
And pubs stealing your potions? It takes two seconds to fill your belt at an NPC.
And pubs stealing your potions? It takes two seconds to fill your belt at an NPC.
Not if you stock it with fat purples.
in the end, it just comes down to your personal preference
and if you prefer to suck, that's your call
ymmv, of course
Veilside
03-02-2007, 16:20
in the end, it just comes down to your personal preference
and if you prefer to suck, that's your call
ymmv, of course
And considering the OP said they were using the ama as a pit strafer it seems pointless to use up most of the inventory space on charms which:
1) mean you can't pick more than 1 item at a time, meaning more tp's and wasting more time per run.
2) really don't do much for kill speed, pits are easy, getting a few hundred damage points extra won't add much more speed per run.
Saying i "suck" because i have a different opinion is pathetic, please grow up.
Mythatic
04-02-2007, 09:24
Well obviously the zon's going glass-cannon, which means he has to spend more wealth on it to be completely successful.
The heavy priced items you'll probably have to pay for:
more lifers (160/60 lifers....120/45 lifers....etc)
and 3/xx/20 max/ar/life charms.
High Torch/Anni(glitch strength, if you wanna look naked of course)
High CtA or just Eth upped Titans/Stormshield.
AT least getting these to remain base Vita and surviving more than 1 or 3 hits.
Imo, Full damage build is only for Pvp, finishing people before they finish you.
This thread got out of hand, i'm good with faith, thanks for the input :badteeth:
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