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Is it just me or has it gotten easier to get really good items quicker in Diablo now? I don't play very often at all, maybe, 3-5 hours a week.
But, I just started a Pally about a week ago and he already has a Grief PB.
I suppose the downsides are that it might make it a little too easy, in some peoples opinion, to make an awesome character. Also, it's a little harder now to trade for something specific without using forums, because there are about a billion things out there for which to trade.
On the otherhand, the saturation of different items has encouraged a form of currency to manifest, i.e. pgems and runes.
The upsides are that it's much easier for people like me, people who can't play too often, to get good characters. It also enables some to get a new emerging kind of build: the super-expensive builds, i.e. auradin, super-zealot, etc.. Also, in the end it can give you a better appreciation for the deviant builds.
What do you guys think?
I agree becasue I recently have been in the market of giving away crap runewords well that is until i got hacked. But now more than ever i think it is harder to come across certain things. Like all of a sudden no one has any arachs or annis ft. Now why could i get them easy like 3 months ago but now they are almost impossible to get
Is it just me or has it gotten easier to get really good items quicker in Diablo now? I don't play very often at all, maybe, 3-5 hours a week.
But, I just started a Pally about a week ago and he already has a Grief PB.
I suppose the downsides are that it might make it a little too easy, in some peoples opinion, to make an awesome character. Also, it's a little harder now to trade for something specific without using forums, because there are about a billion things out there for which to trade.
On the otherhand, the saturation of different items has encouraged a form of currency to manifest, i.e. pgems and runes.
The upsides are that it's much easier for people like me, people who can't play too often, to get good characters. It also enables some to get a new emerging kind of build: the super-expensive builds, i.e. auradin, super-zealot, etc.. Also, in the end it can give you a better appreciation for the deviant builds.
What do you guys think?
It's called duping, and it's absolutely ruining the game of Diablo.
Sure, it's nice to get all of those super-overpowered items, and you're absolutely right that they've been easy to obtain recently. The reason why is because a duping method was released to the public a little while ago, and so now everyone is an amatuer duper. Dupers create dupes by crashing servers. Basically, 95% or more of the lag on realms is created by dupers. All of those "Failed to Join Game" messages are caused by dupers. Every time your game crashes in the middle, that was probably caused by dupers. You might have noticed that this new ease of acquiring items coincided pretty closely with the *MASSIVE* influx of lag, FtjGs and hard drops. It's gotten so bad that at some points in time the realms are simply unplayable.
I would much rather play naked in perfect conditions than with the l33test gear with a 3,000 ping. Dupers are self-centered jerks who ruin the game for everyone else so that they can squeeze a little bit of extra enjoyment for themselves- sort of akin to a rich lordling who overtaxes his already poor peasants so he can be moderately more wealthy, the benefit to the individual doesn't even come CLOSE to balancing out against the detriment to the greater whole.
Most importantly, trading for likely dupes only encourages dupers to dupe more, which in turn makes lag worse on the realms.
Woah, SSoG. Sorry, I didn't know it was such a touchy subject. But, actually, now that you put it that way, I guess this really sucks. Lag alone is almost enough reason to not want to play this game. And Blizzard probably doesn't care enough to devote themselves to fixing this bug.
As you said "the benefit to the individual doesn't even come CLOSE to balancing out against the detriment to the greater whole". I wouldn't be so bad if it was occasional but since it's become so rampant it has added up to a horrible situation we all suffer from.
Plus, I don't know if everyone agrees, but cheating really runes games in my opinion, whether or not it affects others. I know that Grief I got wouldn't have delighted me hardly at all if I had duped it. But, on the other hand, I guess I wouldn't need to change my underwear.
Woah, SSoG. Sorry, I didn't know it was such a touchy subject. But, actually, now that you put it that way, I guess this really sucks. Lag alone is almost enough reason to not want to play this game. And Blizzard probably doesn't care enough to devote themselves to fixing this bug.
As you said "the benefit to the individual doesn't even come CLOSE to balancing out against the detriment to the greater whole". I wouldn't be so bad if it was occasional but since it's become so rampant it has added up to a horrible situation we all suffer from.
Plus, I don't know if everyone agrees, but cheating really runes games in my opinion, whether or not it affects others. I know that Grief I got wouldn't have delighted me hardly at all if I had duped it. But, on the other hand, I guess I wouldn't need to change my underwear.
It's okay, you've done nothing to apologize for, I just tend to get up on my :soapbox: when it comes to dupes. A lot of people don't realize that duping (and, to a lesser extent, Botting) is basically the root of all evil on the realms, from Lag to FtjGs to hard drops to Temp Bans to poofage to... well, pretty much everything. I guess my hope is that if I spread the word enough, maybe someone will listen. If even one person stops duping or trading for dupes because of what I've posted, then I'm happy.
Just remember- if you trade for likely dupes, you're simply encouraging the dupers to dupe more. I know that those high runes are really, really cool. I play Diablo II, too, and I'd LOVE to get my hands on a Grief and an Enigma and a CoH and a Faith and an Ice and a Pride and an Infinity... but in my mind, it's just not worth it. Dupers dupe in order to trade their dupes. If people stopped trading for the item, dupers would stop duping it. I still get my ridiculously overpowered gear fix... I just do it in modded Single Player, where I can get whatever I want without hurting anyone else in the process. :laugh:
What I don't get, is if its possible to dupe items. Why would dupers (aka dirty rotten bastards(can I say bastards on this forum?)) be interested in trading? In a matter of short time it would be easy to have every single wanted item. What items could you possible offer that they would need?
By the way. Is there something about duped items will dissapear? I have recently saved enough Pgems an Keys up, to start trading for high end runes. And I started getting worried about these runes. Is there a way to tell if they are duped?
What I don't get, is if its possible to dupe items. Why would dupers (aka dirty rotten bastards(can I say bastards on this forum?)) be interested in trading? In a matter of short time it would be easy to have every single wanted item. What items could you possible offer that they would need?
By the way. Is there something about duped items will dissapear? I have recently saved enough Pgems an Keys up, to start trading for high end runes. And I started getting worried about these runes. Is there a way to tell if they are duped?
Some of the dupers sell their dupes and make money. And, yes, I think duped items will disappear because they have a certain unique tag applied to them that, if another is found, will be deleted. I don't know if there is a way to tell, but if you socket a weapon with the runes it can't be deleted.
Well that explains why I'm getting all this massive lag recently. I was first thinking that my character had too many summons or something, but it's the guys doing duping. Good to know, thanks Ssog!
So basically the failure to join game and all this freezing of my game is due to duping even on ladder? Has anyone experienced the effect when your character is running around while no one else can move and running into a wall of black where the game doesn't allow you to go further?
good luck and good hunting!
Kirah
So basically the failure to join game and all this freezing of my game is due to duping even on ladder? Has anyone experienced the effect when your character is running around while no one else can move and running into a wall of black where the game doesn't allow you to go further?
Yes and yes. Yesterday the servers were so weird. I created a game. The game thinks for a while and says "Game Full". Wtf?
Why Blizzard just didn't track the players causing a lot of lag and running third party programs and temp restrict/ban THEM instead of innocent people who "switch games too fast" is beyond my wisdom...
mephiztophelez
19-01-2007, 03:43
Why Blizzard just didn't track the players causing a lot of lag and running third party programs and temp restrict/ban THEM instead of innocent people who "switch games too fast" is beyond my wisdom...
short answer:
d2 is a very old game with a rotten-to-the-core client/server architecture. fixing ALL the problems in D2 would be uneconomical compared with, for example, the profits being made by WoW.
i can think of a few quick & dirty fixes blizz could do (make it so Bonewalls leave no residue and fixing some of the exploits that make TPPK work for example), but instead of completely fixing D2, i'd much rather they put their effort into a D3.
CreepyFingers
19-01-2007, 06:34
from what i understand dupeing is not a program its a method. its an exploit in the actual code of diablo and they cant change this or it will mess up the game. they can patch it but that just means the dupers will have to find the hole again and exploit...
i know half the stuff i have is made with duped runes. as long as they dont poof im happy. but i could do without the lag (specially the weird hits dont register thing anyone else get this?) if ther wernt duped runes think how much more godly and expensive things like enigma would be. how much you would oogle at its beautifulness. i also think it would make pvp a bit more interesting.
mephiztophelez
19-01-2007, 07:10
from what i understand dupeing is not a program its a method. its an exploit in the actual code of diablo and they cant change this or it will mess up the game. they can patch it but that just means the dupers will have to find the hole again and exploit...
it's exploiting the nature of the way battle.net saves character files to disk and does it's backups. essentially: you remove the items from character A onto character B. B leaves the game and saves the items to their character file.
while A is STILL IN THE GAME, you crash the server (by lagging it out) causing battle.net to 'rollback' A to the 'last saved version', eg: the verion BEFORE A entered the game and gave the items to B.
unfortunatly, there are some very easy ways of crashing a gameserver (and ALL games being played on it) that don't require any third-party programms, hax or what have you. one method was posted very publicly quite recently. since then, i've noticed lag on weekends to be far, FAR worse than prior to the method being released publicly.
i know half the stuff i have is made with duped runes. as long as they dont poof im happy.
they won't poof in the Passive Ruststorm which constantly runs as you enter/leave games and can be bypassed (god knows why or how this was discovered) by the trade screen dance of 'Temp Perming'. duped runes can also be laundered to prevent the Passive Ruststorm from popping them.
here is a quote from Ernir's TYSKAD2 (http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-gameplay&t=163465&p=1&#post163465) guide on the b.net Gameplay Discussion forum.
9. Can socketed runes poof?
Yes, they can. Socketing a dupe protects it from "Passive Ruststorm" which is run when you enter and exit games. There is, however, nothing that can be done to save your precious dupes from the wrath of the Full Ruststorm. If your duped Enigma did survive, you were simply lucky, or you were on non-ladder where Full Ruststorm has never been run.
Ortliebj said it best:
Full Ruststorm v2.5 will delete "dirty" items, even if they are components of other items. Full Ruststorm was last run in August of 2004 (2nd week, iirc).
It will also delete items that have been tampered with in attempts to fool the Ruststorm process. In other words, personalizing your Engima won't help, so don't even try it. All eleven different attempts/strategies of which I am aware to try and circumvent this process have failed.
When a full active Ruststorm is actually run, illegitimate items of types you've never even dreamed about will be deleted and/or invalidated.
If you have had an item disappear from your inventory, it most likely was a dupe that Ruststorm caught.
bottom line is, duped runeword gear is safe until such time as Blizzard decides to hit the Full Ruststorm button. if they go on prior performance, it should run sometime before any theoretical ladder re-set.
note however: if the BASE item that your runeword is made in is duped, the passive ruststorm can catch it. there was a perfect roll, 14% ed, +3 Faith GMB doing the rounds on West Ladder for a while. the whole runeword had been duped into oblivion and a lot of people got burnt by it.
so, if your the kind of person who uses duped runes, at least get your own base-items and roll them yourself. trading for a high-end complete runeword is just begging to have it poof.
but i could do without the lag (specially the weird hits dont register thing anyone else get this?)
blame people dupeing for the VAST bulk of b.net lag
if ther wernt duped runes think how much more godly and expensive things like enigma would be. how much you would oogle at its beautifulness.
if there weren't duped runes, getting a hold of a High Rune would be nigh on impossible. The value of Gul Runes from hell-forge's on Ladder would SKYROCKET, as opposed to their current value of, well, nothing. the last Gul i traded for in a pubby game cost me, err, a single D-Key iirc.
i also think it would make pvp a bit more interesting.
i think it would make PvP a LOT more interesting (although a nerf on a sorc's ability to teleport like a maniac might be in order).
you wouldn't have to build a character thats capable of dealing with a wildly teleporting bone-nec/windy/hammerdin, simply because, you would encounter so few of them. items with charges of teleport would suddenly be worth a MOTZA and people would be teleporting very carefully, as opposed to a limited-only-by-mana-pots means of transportation and tactical positioning.
it would also ressurect Rare items as viable weapons for both PvP and PvM. right now, with the unstopped flood of dupewords infesting the realms, only a truly, insanely spectacular rare weapon can even hope to compete with whats 'easily available' in runewords.
CaptnSparrow
19-01-2007, 07:29
The act of duping and the people doing the duping are two different matters entirely.
Items like Wizardspike gloves, bugged amulets and boots, as well as some other certain items (Jeweler's Monarch of Deflection) are certainly deserving of a duping. People who limit their duping to items such as these in order to release them to the public (High runes fall into this category as well) are good for the game. The greater access to such items has, in many cases, added depth and complexity to the dueling scene - something I care a lot for.
This new age of dupers that was created by the public release of the method are killing the game horribly. Not only are items undeserving of a dupe (I had a Shako poof on me the other day - that's just sad) being churned out, but the scale of this surge is so much greater than it was before that the inflation is beyond belief.
So, I have to the conclude that (as is the case with most things) this is just a case of a good thing turned horribly wrong by the bad qualities in people.
kingdryland
19-01-2007, 07:50
What SSoG said is nice. On the other hand there are some of us ,those that like to pvp that are absolutely forced to participate in the economy.I remember ,early on ladder I was joining melee duel games with my hard earned "Death" weapon (the runeword,possibly the dream of every legit melee player), my shaft,dungo,alma etc. And it was ok up until a month from the reset that all sorts of fortitude,botd,phoenix,grief etc chars started to appear massively which made competition from tough to impossible. And a nice duel is more than half of the joy of the game for me,and this joy was taken away, so it would be either quitting or trading. I always made an effort to spot self found hrs from friends and trusted forum traders,and I do have legit high rws like fortitude,grief or Doom even, but I don't fool myself about the origin of hrs today. Not to mention that it is not runes only. Everything halfdecent can be duped today, and If you can guess that the jah you 've been offered is a dupe,how about that innocent looking skiller? Still, I won't rank myself at the same level with dupers. They dupe,I don't and if everybody was acting like us who don't dupe then the realms would be a better place.
mephiztophelez
19-01-2007, 08:48
Items like Wizardspike gloves....
wizgloves are a hack item. same as occy rings. they should NOT exist, they should NEVER have existed and why Blizzard can't run a 'specific' ruststorm to get rid of "all gloves with 50% FCR" is beyond me. the fact these monstrosities have been hacked onto ladder is just plain sad.
for the record at this point: i for one FLATLY REFUSE to open a Trade Screen in a Duelling game. i encourage others to do the same. if you BM me, you damn well better have legit gear, coz once i drop you, you aint getting that bod back.
bugged amulets and boots, as well as some other certain items (Jeweler's Monarch of Deflection) are certainly deserving of a duping.
nothing "deserves" to be duped.
The greater access to such items has, in many cases, added depth and complexity to the dueling scene - something I care a lot for.
i would say it's reduced depth and complexity. there are now a half-dozen or so cookie-cutter duelling characters. how many games have you gone into and it's 6 pally's and a barb and you (in whatever char of your choice).
there is little or no difference between one char and another of the same basic 'class'.
duels between 'equals' basically come down to: whose godly 45life skillers havn't poofed yet.
This new age of dupers that was created by the public release of the method are killing the game horribly. Not only are items undeserving of a dupe (I had a Shako poof on me the other day - that's just sad) being churned out, but the scale of this surge is so much greater than it was before that the inflation is beyond belief.
hang on a minute, i thought dupeing was 'a good thing (tm)' in your eyes? surely if everybody is suddenly doing it, it's even better?
/sarcasm.
you speak of inflation: this only seems to have affected the value of the HR (which has devalued to the point of being a farce). item vs item prices have stayed fairly constant. Pre Bot-Ban, a shako could be had for an Um/Pul Rune. since the bot-ban, a shako will fetch ~5hr's. Prior to the bot-ban, a plain Fire GC was ~Um in value, now it's ~5hr's.
i'm seeing more and more people refusing to accept HR's in trades.
however, both pre and since the Ban, a Fire GC could fetch you a Shako. so Item for Item, prices havn't fluctuated particularly wildly. the major exceptions being the Arachnid Sash and various godly charms, which seem to have matured in value considerably over the course of the ladder season.
(note: all prices being quoted are approximate West SC Ladder prices. these are not 'gospel truth' price quotes, but should be reasonably accurate)
So, I have to the conclude that (as is the case with most things) this is just a case of a good thing turned horribly wrong by the bad qualities in people.
no, it's a bad thing thats coming to it's own inevitable and tragic conclusion: that dupers will continue to dupe more and more crap so they can trade it off to unsuspecting people who then have it poof on them. it's getting to the point where it's almost impossible to accept high-end gear of ANY description from unknown sources. trading is becoming more and more of a risk. i for one INSIST on a 'perm-test' on all my trades (follow me through 10+ games without perming etc). it's not 100% certain, but if the person your trying to trade with refuses, you know instantly that its a dupe.
now, a simple patch to remove the residue left behind by the necromancers Bonewall and Golem spells could be the ticket to stopping, at least some of the dupeing going on. i've heard of four different dupeing methods, three of which rely on lagging out a gameserver. the last one is far more nefarious and involves a direct hack into the Blizzard servers (something that could land you in the slammer for a VERY long time)
there is nothing 'good' about dupeing. in a closed economy game, dupeng distorts the economy and RUINS the game for EVERYBODY.
Yossarian
19-01-2007, 10:20
Items like Wizardspike gloves, bugged amulets and boots, as well as some other certain items (Jeweler's Monarch of Deflection) are certainly deserving of a duping. People who limit their duping to items such as these in order to release them to the public (High runes fall into this category as well) are good for the game. The greater access to such items has, in many cases, added depth and complexity to the dueling scene - something I care a lot for.
This may be the single stupidest thing I've read in these forums EVER!
What I don't get, is if its possible to dupe items. Why would dupers (aka dirty rotten bastards(can I say bastards on this forum?)) be interested in trading? In a matter of short time it would be easy to have every single wanted item. What items could you possible offer that they would need?
By the way. Is there something about duped items will dissapear? I have recently saved enough Pgems an Keys up, to start trading for high end runes. And I started getting worried about these runes. Is there a way to tell if they are duped?
First: They aren't after items, they're after money. You know those spambots in channel advertising deals on legit items? Let's just say that they aren't so legit, after all. All item sellers are MASSIVE dupers.
Also, if your runes are higher than Gul, they're duped. It's just that simple.
Items like Wizardspike gloves, bugged amulets and boots, as well as some other certain items (Jeweler's Monarch of Deflection) are certainly deserving of a duping. People who limit their duping to items such as these in order to release them to the public (High runes fall into this category as well) are good for the game. The greater access to such items has, in many cases, added depth and complexity to the dueling scene - something I care a lot for.
This new age of dupers that was created by the public release of the method are killing the game horribly. Not only are items undeserving of a dupe (I had a Shako poof on me the other day - that's just sad) being churned out, but the scale of this surge is so much greater than it was before that the inflation is beyond belief.
So, I have to the conclude that (as is the case with most things) this is just a case of a good thing turned horribly wrong by the bad qualities in people.
The bad qualities in people... what are those bad qualities in people? Judging from your post, it would seem that you think a "bad quality" is not understanding which items are sufficiently l33t to warrent duping.
Personally, I believe a bad quality is *STEALING* my enjoyment of the game to enhance your own. If someone had the godliest item ever, like a perfect CoA, and he duped that, then someone else would have a godly CoA. If, however, I was playing a level 90 hardcore toon on that same server, and my ping went from 150 to 3,000 without warning, resulting in deeds, then I just lost a level 90 hardcore character. The duper *STOLE* my enjoyment and killed my character just to make one helm that's really not all that and a bag of potato chips, anyway. There is blood on that duper's hands, as surely as if he TPPK'd me himself. And that's just me- what if 4 other toons die, in the process? How many high level toons is a godly CoA worth? 16? 24? How many high level toons is it okay for you to kill in order to get another one of those godly items that, to be perfectly honest, nobody really needs anyway?
Also, As Meph already said, rampant duping hasn't INCREASED complexity, it has DECREASED complexity. For instance, without duping, "what do you have on switch" would be a very interesting question with lots of interesting choices. Do you want a Widowmaker for the free Guided Arrow? A Teleport staff? Some specific resist/absorb gear? That's a complex question. Thanks to duping, though, the answer became very easy- Call to Arms. That's not ADDING complexity, that's SUBTRACTING complexity. Duping has turned the overwhelming majority of high-level PvPers into mindless drones who simply do exactly what their favorite guide told them to, down to the letter. If you have 500 characters who are all literally EXACTLY THE SAME, then that's not complexity, that's conformity, or uniformity.
Dupers are *STEALING* my enjoyment of the game without asking. They are bullies, egocentric jerks, who are wholly consumed with nothing more than what THEY want to the exclusion of all others. No matter what the cost is, it is an acceptable cost... as long as THEY aren't the ones paying it. I don't know about you, but I don't exactly view that as a "good quality".
They dupe,I don't and if everybody was acting like us who don't dupe then the realms would be a better place.
That's nice in theory, but in practice you're just standing aside and doing nothing. It's like saying "Well, other people are going to litter anyway, so I might as well- I'm just a drop in the bucket, so to speak!"
If everyone stopped trading with dupers, then dupers would stop duping.
Also, I understand that you love PvP and you really need the dupes to be competitive (and yes, I acknowledge that you do pretty much need those highly duped items to be competitive)... but there are other options. Low Level Dueling. Legit Dueling Communities. That sort of thing. It's hard, but (if you'll pardon me for getting a little cheesy), doing the right thing usually is. If you don't like their game, then go take your ball and play somewhere else. Don't lower yourself to their level.
Stepping back off the :soapbox: .
kingdryland
19-01-2007, 11:06
I will disagree on the litter metaphor, since I don't litter (dupe).But in fact, I'm not trying to deny my guilt, I just point that I was practically forced to participate and that the problem doesn't originate from people like me,so the solution might as well start from the root. But I certainly do have some responsibility.
LLD on realms is dupe infested too. As for legit dueling communities,I'm not sure what you have in mind, the few I'm aware of allow most high runewords (=dupes).
Alright. It looks like this is getting a little heated. I think everyone can agree that duping sucks for everyone who isn't making money off of it, and those who are making money should be slapped, what a pathetic means of income. And, to some extent, Blizzard is to blame, on part due to lack of action and I think all these new runewords are also partially to blame.
Anyway, let me propose a hypothetical situation. Let's say Blizzard made a new patch specifically designed to mend the ills caused by bugs and duping, what would you propose. Identify the problem and solution.
I'll start:
For duping via server crashing, have the character files save everytime you move something in your inventory, except pots, keys, tps, idents, etc.
kingdryland
19-01-2007, 16:25
You've mentioned the new runewords. Well the fact that blizz created a particular ladder only one that includes 3xJah,1xBer,1xSur and the lowest is a mal, is a white towel towards dupers. How many legit last wishes do they exist in all realms? 5-6?
You've mentioned the new runewords. Well the fact that blizz created a particular ladder only one that includes 3xJah,1xBer,1xSur and the lowest is a mal, is a white towel towards dupers. How many legit last wishes do they exist in all realms? 5-6?
That's exactly what I meant. Thank you. Any suggestions for changes though. How about for TPPK, they could put a delay on the hostile button everytime you leave or enter town.
Vegetall
19-01-2007, 17:04
Well first u have to remeber that this game was givin up on as soon as WoW was even being thought of.... all the ppl that had anything to do with diablo left.... its the sad reality the game is just up so ppl have a free game to play and keep instrest in blizzard...
dupers, sadly they ruined the game since diablo 1, they ruined it all...and its going to continue and it even happens in the new MMOs, but they have some sort of protection now, diablo was meraly a beta to all these new games, a very good one in fact, i just recently quit WoW after a year to come back to diablo after take 3 years off, due to haveing every character and class and 3 accounts then i just let disapper, though at some point they did get hacked... no clue how but whatever.... so im back here and you know soemthing i made first trade in about a month of playing, since its was spirit for occy and fort, so im not losing anything if the fort is a dupe or even the occy is a dupe....
Im not going to trade , unless im not losing anything just incase its a dupe, but im also not tradeing due to the items that are like key loggers that i hear about... so if you want the game to be good, then dont trade basically, i know its a big part, but like stated before trading only helps them....the dupers. to make more, and if there still are morons buying D2 stuff on ebay, there accounts should just be deleted...
thats my 2 cents:prop:
safetypro
19-01-2007, 17:21
Interesting discussion and good points made by all. I must say that this thread has given me reason to rethink my stand on trading for potentially duped items.:scratch:
I have played both ends of the spectrum as a character builder. Some of my builds utilize godly rune words while other builds rely solely on set and unique items. I guess I have supported the bad economy by trading for high runes or rune word items. I have always been aware that duping existed but naive to it's extent until recently. It has become blatantly obvious on the trade boards as certain players always seem to have and endless supply of HRs to trade for godly items.
In the little over a year that I have played, I have never personally found a rune higher than Gul. I wonder that if higher rune drop chances were increased whether or not it would have an effect on the game's economy. Perhaps if high runes were easier to find, people would be less likely to dupe them. Then again, if high runes became commonplace as legit items, the dupers would concentrate on other sought after items like SoJs.:cry:
Vegetall
19-01-2007, 17:48
In the little over a year that I have played, I have never personally found a rune higher than Gul. I wonder that if higher rune drop chances were increased whether or not it would have an effect on the game's economy. Perhaps if high runes were easier to find, people would be less likely to dupe them. Then again, if high runes became commonplace as legit items, the dupers would concentrate on other sought after items like SoJs.:cry:
Just thinking what u said, before i quit, i played for almost 4-5 years, quit due to hacking, then i played for another 1 1/2, quit again due to a college network and halo2, and now i started again after 2 years, month deep, and in all this time, i never found 1 vex, ist and i think a ohm ... once thats all in what 6-7 years of exp.......
and i always had good luck finding items, found my first shako last night on hell andy... so think of those odds, and i was playing every night from about 5-2 am at one point.... not anymore though im in the real world now
AnimeCraze
19-01-2007, 17:51
You've mentioned the new runewords. Well the fact that blizz created a particular ladder only one that includes 3xJah,1xBer,1xSur and the lowest is a mal, is a white towel towards dupers. How many legit last wishes do they exist in all realms? 5-6?I would say 0. If you have the legit runes, why would you make last wish compared to the other runewords like enigma and such?
kingdryland
19-01-2007, 19:50
I would say 0. If you have the legit runes, why would you make last wish compared to the other runewords like enigma and such?
Good point.0 was my first idea but then again you never know. I've made for example a legit doom (370%ed heh) on nl from an ohm I found and legit Lo/Cham runes found by friends i trust 100%. This could have happened on ladder as well since we all found these in 3 weeks' time. But I agree with your point, If I didn't have everything I wanted ,that Ohm would have gone elsewhere.
safetypro
19-01-2007, 23:08
Good point.0 was my first idea but then again you never know. I've made for example a legit doom (370%ed heh) on nl from an ohm I found and legit Lo/Cham runes found by friends i trust 100%. This could have happened on ladder as well since we all found these in 3 weeks' time. But I agree with your point, If I didn't have everything I wanted ,that Ohm would have gone elsewhere.
One of the traders on USEast had a giveaway a several months ago and did a survey as part of the giveaway. He asked how many high runes have you yourself actually found through monster drops etc. and how many high runes do you have in godly rune words. The results were astounding. Very few were found and tons were in use or stored by the traders participating in the giveaway. One trader even stated that he had 100+ high runes stored on mules. I was a poorer player then and didn't comprehend fully what the results should have meant. Since that time, it seems that so many high runes have flooded the trade boards that HRs have gone down substantially in value. It is commonplace to see 30-40 HRs being offered for godly items. Some traders are paying HRs for a few common runes like Rals and Amns.
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