i got this bhammer i wanted to play with...

[forumfreak]

i know this isnt the best but this is all i have till i get one with better mods.

BATTLE HAMMER
DMG: 74-130
REQ LVL: 25
REQ STR: 100
112% ED
8 to max dmg
50 to AR
50 to UD

and i was wondering what i should do with it. i kinda want to make a lld but should i stop at 25?

so far i was thinking-
3 socket pgem life helm/ or should i go with 3 sock pgem str helm?
gtoe (for cb)
angelics bling (rings n ammy)
deaths gloves/ or clegs for knock back n slow?
deaths belt(for no freeze)
twitch? or maybe rc when 29?
then sback? or maybe a spiked shield i found--
SPIKED SHIELD
DEF: 33
DUR: 40
REQ STR: 24
REQ LVL: 15
30 FBR
20 ICOB
30 ED
LR 10
FR 11
REQ -20

i wasnt sure what build would be best in lld since im still new(i just got an mfer for finding lld gear). any build suggestions please, about stats/skills/lvl/gear.

i changed realms because i have alot more friends on east. and i wanna stick with lld since i dont find high lvl dueling much fun anymore.

should i make it a charge/zealer?
all charge?
all zeal?
also what auras should i use? i know might best for charger since it helps it right?

thanks so much again guys!! this forum is really helping me enjoy the game. even though its pretty old the builds in here are still fun to try out!! thanks!! all info are welcome! please inform me.

[zrk]

the bhammer is ok, and you could use it for a lvl 25 charge/zeal hybrid. the problem is that it can only reach 7 frame zeal. had it had 10 ias on it then you could have reached 6 frame zeal with twich+sigon/deaths which would really have been cool. as a shield i would use either sigons shield or a 3 pdiamond tower(along with twitch) for protection against elemental attacks.

still even with that bhammer youll do quite well. use charge to get close to guys and kill those without shields, and zeal against shielded chars.

[forumfreak]

the bhammer is ok, and you could use it for a lvl 25 charge/zeal hybrid. the problem is that it can only reach 7 frame zeal. had it had 10 ias on it then you could have reached 6 frame zeal with twich+sigon/deaths which would really have been cool. as a shield i would use either sigons shield or a 3 pdiamond tower(along with twitch) for protection against elemental attacks.

still even with that bhammer youll do quite well. use charge to get close to guys and kill those without shields, and zeal against shielded chars.

thanks for the info! assuming i get hell rushed, how would i do the stat points to get most dmg out of him?

and also, i was wondering which is better...
-put 90 base str then 10 from twitch then wear a 3pgem life helm then rest into vit?
-put 60 base str then 10 from twitch then wear a 3pgem str helm then rest into vit?

[WarlockCC]

3 ruby helm gives more life to a paladin then a 3 ame saves in points.

If you want to make a lld you might want to look at things like a Gnasher, Blood Crescent, Crushflange or warhammer since you can use those at actual low levels. :)

Think about who you would duel at level 25. The only actual achievement would be to kill higher level players and that kinda limits it for you. At 30, barbs get WW, Sorcs get Orb, Necro's get BS and paladins get FoH and/or fana for their zeal. You will rarely be able to win against those with a charger/zealer combo.

[forumfreak]

3 ruby helm gives more life to a paladin then a 3 ame saves in points.

If you want to make a lld you might want to look at things like a Gnasher, Blood Crescent, Crushflange or warhammer since you can use those at actual low levels. :)

Think about who you would duel at level 25. The only actual achievement would be to kill higher level players and that kinda limits it for you. At 30, barbs get WW, Sorcs get Orb, Necro's get BS and paladins get FoH and/or fana for their zeal. You will rarely be able to win against those with a charger/zealer combo.

thanks for pointing that out. thanks for stating the the things i wasnt thinking about.

all i have right now are some of the things that i listed so im very limited in making a lld where i woul be able to duel higher chars.

but now i will be looking out for those items!

what aura should i be using at lvl 25? if i wanted the charge/zeal combo.

[WarlockCC]

With Might being a synergy of Charge, I don't see how you have a lot of choice in that field. :)

Will you be mainly focussing on charge or on zeal ?
Now *charge* I won't *charge* influence *charge* you in any *charge* way.
Note that if you are able to get enough res from your gear you can kill casters over 30. a 3 sock of every type might just help with that.

[forumfreak]

lol. for some reason i feel like im leaning more towards.... charge. ;)

im going to look for a 3 socket tower shield now for res against casters.

HMm..

LVL 25 Charger/Zealer
BHammer w/ Sig shield or res tower shield
Helm: Life Helm
Ammys n Rings: Angelics
Armor: Twitch
Gloves: Deaths/Sigons
Sash: Deaths
Boots Treads/Sigons

Skills (37pts after Hellrush)-
Might: Max
Charge: the rest
Zeal: 4? 5?
PreReqs: 2 (sacra n smite)

does that seem about right? anything im missing?

[fledgeling]

I think he will be able to kill bad sorcs even when they are level 50+ if he gets enough resists (cold)
Not sure about firesorcs

Bone necros should die easily too, because their damage will be pretty low around these levels

FOH - not sure, probably too small damage

WW barbs will probably win, but I think he might have a small chance if he wears sigons shield and does some nice damage

[forumfreak]

nice nice! im getting really excited about this build!! thanks for all your help guys!!

also im thinking of making his base str 100 for the bhammer and he doesnt have to rely on twitch's +10 str to wear it. that way i can weak hawkmail n dglow n the such.

[fledgeling]

you can always grab a 30str helmet and use a -30req martel (if it is possible to get one at level 25) which requiers 136str (not sure)
for more 2h charge damage

also you could consider using a bonesnap/steel for some more damage

[forumfreak]

you can always grab a 30str helmet and use a -30req martel (if it is possible to get one at level 25) which requiers 136str (not sure)
for more 2h charge damage

also you could consider using a bonesnap/steel for some more damage

yeah im in the process of building a 300ED bsnap charger. i was thinking lvl 29 with rc. but yeah... with this build i was hoping i could use a shield so i can block against other chargers. but i will be looking out for those helms. hopefully i find one. thanks!!

[WarlockCC]

You can make a snap charger at level 24 unless you have a prelod one lying around, then you might aswell go for level 12. >:)

I see LLD as a chalenge of "how low can you go" while still having a effective dueler.

[forumfreak]

You can make a snap charger at level 24 unless you have a prelod one lying around, then you might aswell go for level 12. >:)

I see LLD as a chalenge of "how low can you go" while still having a effective dueler.

should i just make my bsnap charger at 24 and forget about rc? which armor is best for him? i dont think twitch since he doesnt need ias if he's purely charging.
but twitch does have +10 to str n dex.

[WarlockCC]

I wouldn't wear twitch if you are just going to use the str from it. There are more useful armors around.
Perhaps a rare armor with some res (you can get 30 of up to 3 types of res with level 15-ish req, so you should be able to get some nice mods on top of res at level 24.
Other options would be Greyform (rezzy 20c 20f) or Iceblink (cold slow you target and 30 cold res in one package). Hawk is offcourse a nice option if you can fill your cold res quota. (Full Iratha's require 55 str, give 65 res all, 10 to all max res, 20frw, 25 dex and then some) Combined with for instance sigons boots(40 cold res), you should have yourself a mean little bugger.

[Fists of War]

But since the majority of lower LLDers are either melee pally's (charge/zeal/smite/sacrifice) or maybe bone spear necro's, what will all that res do? Unless you are going to focus more on impressing higher lvls (who are more likely to be sorcs/zons etc) who underestimate you rather than those lvl 12's who know how good you are... and BTW what's the estimated stats for the build in question? Damage, life, AR, Def etc???

[WarlockCC]

I gather you have not faced low fire sorcs, cold sorcs, lightning sorcs, cold dins, fire dins, lightning zons, poison zons and other elementalists yet.
In general you will be facing off against higher levels then you, so they indeed have access to damaging elemental attacks.

The more res you have, the higher you can pick your targets, the more impressive your kills will be. :)

Level 27 winning from a level 29 ? Meh.
Level 12 winning from a level 29 ? Impressive.

[Fists of War]

I gather you have not faced low fire sorcs, cold sorcs, lightning sorcs, cold dins, fire dins, lightning zons, poison zons and other elementalists yet.
In general you will be facing off against higher levels then you, so they indeed have access to damaging elemental attacks.

The more res you have, the higher you can pick your targets, the more impressive your kills will be. :)

Level 27 winning from a level 29 ? Meh.
Level 12 winning from a level 29 ? Impressive.

Hehe true but in my case it's:

me (lvl 20 zealer) winning against a random pvm build under lvl 20 ? Meh happens a lot

me winning against a properly build lvl 12 LLD ? Never happens, crazy luck if it does!

If I had angelics rings/amulet/armour, sback hold, better rare wep, deaths etc etc I could win consistently if I remade my zealer at lvl 15, but since I don't have any of that I figure I just make a higher level and even the playing field :). And no, never dueled ANY elemental chars before ( not counting when high level lite zons/ orb sorcs crash my games!). I have duel mostly melee chars, from bashers and double swingers, to ww barbs, chargers, zealers, sacrificers,smiters and have also dueled lvl 24 necro's with bone spear/IG/melee, but never sorcs...I suppose I just have to start broadening my horizons, but it seams there is no one on west that actually makes LLD's of the type you have mentioned, but that's why i'm starting to focus on sorcs...

[forumfreak]

and as for having full irathas n dark glow. i have 90/90/75/75 in norm.

iiiiiiiiimpressive!! i cant wait to take him to hell!!

[forumfreak]

warlock, theres been alot of ww babas interupting my duel games! grrrr!! any tips on builds or gear that can help me with then? perhaps a ww baba myself?

[WarlockCC]

One option, the most effective one, make your game with a level 19 char and set level difference to 10. This should allow level 9 up to level 29 into your game. Exactly your target audience. :)

What level are these WW barbs ? I made a level 30 barb in case some 30 to 50 char joins and disturbs the duels. If they are in this range, indeed you should probably make yourself a level 30 WW (cleg?) barb. After a few humiliating defeats, they should bugger off.

But against higher level WW barbs, even speeders, FoH is a guaranteed to annoy them and most of the time kill them or make them run into town.
Speeders tend to have a lot of frw and usually enough res to widthstand your conviction. So just flip to Holy Freeze to slow them down if it turns out your Conviction doesn't have much effect.
A boner can usually get it done aswell, but you don't really want all those bonewalls lying around, lagging up your game.

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Often, while I MF, I find things which I know I will never use, yet they are just too nice to sell. I am considering just making a game called "Win items"
Or something similar. Naturally in a 9-29 limited game, so they can't just bring their high levels. :)
And afterwards, if they couldn't win and haven't started a tirade, just let them pick a item. They'll be sure to keep it.