I Demand !!!!!

[methecsgod]

I am tired of waiting. For centuries I have been ignored, vilified and ridiculed. I can't sleep, I lost weight and my neighbours are leaving their car on my lawn again. I have been to all libraries in the world, slept with every admin on every internet forum and have just brewed myself a 3rd cappuccino. But! I shalt not bow to the audacious treacheries of the Diablo community, its bots, hacks, dupes and eBay scams. I shall fight to the end, I shall beat or be beaten, even if takes me to get up from the toilet and recharge the laptop battery. Because the truth shines through the sheath of lies and threats, it breaks through the ice of indifference and conspiracy and gratifies its adepts with the unsurpassed, neverending godliness of knowledge that is GINGERBREAD COOKIES.

Ok man, now serious. I came here because I need(like, really need) to know how you can reach 14k with Charged Strike on amazon. Stop laughing, I really wanna know. I am sick and tired of i-kill-diablo-on-hell-with-1-hit stories told me by random beggers in giveaway games. I use the absolutely gawdliest items possible(including griffon, 20/20 shield and 9 GCs), and still get my nose stuck up to me by everyone and their mother. I already use valium and have eyes like these--->:starry:

Therefore, I ask... no, I DEMAND that somebody in here shows me a screenshot(or at least a verbal description) of what a 14k char looks like, complete with gear and skill distribution. I am eagerly waiting in the shadows, ready to pounce at anything which comes by my cave.
Upon the completion of the aforementioned noble mission I will congratulate you by treating myself to another cup of tea. That's it, my little friends, now get down to writing!!

[PhuQ]

20/20 armour...
thunderstrokes
3 java amu
griffs
3 java gloves
arach
two sojs
20/20 shield
9gc
torch
anni
skillshrine
BO

There

[superdave]

ta da!!

[PhatTrumpet]

3 java amu
No such thing...

And, just for completeness sake, you could also use +6 magical javs, although I've only ever seen a screenshot of such javs once.

[superdave]

another thing to consider when talking down a boss with such high life is items with crushing blow...sometimes the damage number you see on the screen means little.

[WrongdayJ]

You will not see 14k listed on the damage screen.

You gotta dig a little deeper for the numbers.

Look at damage per charged bolt, then multiply by number of bolts being dropped. I posted some damage numbers in another thread, but it is not hard AT ALL to get 15k-16k max lightning damage with charged strike fully synergized and with about +7 to +9 skill points (over the maxes).
The + skill points aren't counted on the synergies, BUT you do get the added bolt count and the damage of the CS skill goes up with enough +skills.

Hope this helps. Enjoy the tea. :azn:

[Clervis]

Maybe you should try eating non-frosted cereals in the morning.

[AnimeCraze]

Don't forget the facet on griff. :tongue:

[PhatTrumpet]

You will not see 14k listed on the damage screen.
Are you claiming that 14k is impossible? Because it definitely isn't.

You can get 14.5k with relatively standard gear and 20/20 armor and shield, without any outside assistance. You can get 14.9k with CtA or outside BC, and 15.7k with a skill shrine on top of that.

If you toss in the +6 javs those numbers jump to 15.3k, 15.7k, and 16.5k, respectively.

When people talk about their Charged Strike damage they're talking per-bolt about 99% of the time.

[Apophis]

Don't forget the facet on griff. :tongue:

this was the most important =)))

[WrongdayJ]

Are you claiming that 14k is impossible? Because it definitely isn't. . .

Oh no! I'm absolutely positively agreeing with you on this one. I've always said that way MORE than 14k is possible easily. I'm just saying it won't show on your character screen as 14k damage- you'll only see the 'per-bolt' damage number which is usually somewhere around 1650 or so.

Sorry for the confusion on that one.

[olympus]

hm...correct me if I'm wrong... but the 14k damage is the damage that each bolt does...which usually you get 11 bolts with that so that means each attacks holds about 154k damage. I believe that is right.

[jjscud]

Oh no! I'm absolutely positively agreeing with you on this one. I've always said that way MORE than 14k is possible easily. I'm just saying it won't show on your character screen as 14k damage- you'll only see the 'per-bolt' damage number which is usually somewhere around 1650 or so.

This most definately is talking about the LCS view and 14K PER BOLT, not the total damage.

Total damage is is 14K x 17 bolts (I'm guessing at a lvl 50 CS) for a total of 238K damage.

This is not a standard whimpy lvl 80 zon with simple gear. This is a high level, fully synergiezed zon with all gear focus on Lit damage.

I've never seen numbers that high but my baal runner easily hits 6K per bolt (x 15 bolts for 90K total damage) with saftey gear on in SP (no torch ect). I've seen zons equiped with full resists and still reach 10K per bolt so I know higher numbers are possible.

[mephiztophelez]

No such thing...

And, just for completeness sake, you could also use +6 magical javs, although I've only ever seen a screenshot of such javs once.
err, you mean like THESE?!? (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/wfg-dude/Screenshot025-1.jpg) afaik, these javs are currently FT on West Ladder.

hm...correct me if I'm wrong... but the 14k damage is the damage that each bolt does...which usually you get 11 bolts with that so that means each attacks holds about 154k damage. I believe that is right.

and at no time should you forget: the MINIMUM damage of each bolt is 1, so you are doing 11-154,000 damage. thats a HUGE spread and is BEFORE resistances are factored in.

[olympus]

true, but with a conviction to lower those resists i will still happily take an average of 77,000 dmg per bolt then.

[PhatTrumpet]

err, you mean like THESE?!? (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/wfg-dude/Screenshot025-1.jpg) afaik, these javs are currently FT on West Ladder.



and at no time should you forget: the MINIMUM damage of each bolt is 1, so you are doing 11-154,000 damage. thats a HUGE spread and is BEFORE resistances are factored in.
Yes, like those. :tongue:

And the wide damage range is hardly an issue when you consider the fact that each bolt gets its own damage roll. In order to do erratically high or low damage you'd have to roll extremely high or low on nearly all the bolts, which is more and more unlikely the more bolts you have.

[WrongdayJ]

This most definately is talking about the LCS view and 14K PER BOLT, not the total damage.

Total damage is is 14K x 17 bolts (I'm guessing at a lvl 50 CS) for a total of 238K damage.

This is not a standard whimpy lvl 80 zon with simple gear. This is a high level, fully synergiezed zon with all gear focus on Lit damage.

I've never seen numbers that high but my baal runner easily hits 6K per bolt (x 15 bolts for 90K total damage) with saftey gear on in SP (no torch ect). I've seen zons equiped with full resists and still reach 10K per bolt so I know higher numbers are possible.

I totally agree with you and everyone else that says that 14k per bolt is (theoretically at least) possible. The most I've personally ever been able to muster out of a build with my limited equipment was about 3800 per bolt. I think I was mistaken when I read the original post. I thought the poster meant 14k total damage not per bolt. My bad.:embarassed:

Question though- Do you consider a build 'whimpy' just because it doesn't have top flight gear? No flames intended, I just don't understand the mentality of those who think you need ultra exotic gear to make a powerful build. Especially a Lit Zon who is almost entirely skill dependant. I agree that better equipment can make a good (and a bad) build better. But to assume a build is whimpy because of equipment is kinda lame.

[CallMeTheSpelunker]

As far as I can tell, the poster was with you on that one... he brought up "getting snubbed by everyone and their mother" even though he uses endgame gear. However, I'm pretty sure that the people involved in this particular thread recognize even an only-well-equipped Javazon is a powerful boss killer, but they also recognize that any error means space for improvement, even only as a pet project and not for bragging rights. If the poster sounds that intent on achieving a goal, and he's already evidently put enough time into this goal to use godly gear THUS far, then why not let him hit 14k per bolt. Lol. Mine did 2900 and I thought I was happy as a clam. A clam with a nice warm blanket.

[Ugla]

Question though- Do you consider a build 'whimpy' just because it doesn't have top flight gear? No flames intended, I just don't understand the mentality of those who think you need ultra exotic gear to make a powerful build. Especially a Lit Zon who is almost entirely skill dependant. I agree that better equipment can make a good (and a bad) build better. But to assume a build is whimpy because of equipment is kinda lame.

I'm pretty sure that's not jjscud's case. He plays at SPF, where "ultra exotic gear" is not even available. We have no Annis, Torches, Infinities etc. The 20/20 (provided you meant socketed perfect rainbow facets) are not realistically within our reach as well. We honor all characters regardless of their gear. Just put separators between the words whimpy / lvl80 / and simple gear. To reach the maximum possible values, you must ensure three things:

1) specialized (non-whimpy) build: once you place more than 6 points elsewhere, the build will not be fully synergized at clvl98! At least 3 points (pierce branch) are almost obligatory.

2) well, in sense of the previous paragraph, you will not complete the build before clvl95.

3) even with this build, you can only dream about ~10k values without specialized gear. See the above posts. It is not at all necessary for regular play (questing/Baal-runs), but mandatory, if you seek those values.

Just for comparison, my javazon is clvl92, build is pure lightning with 1pt in D/A/E, critical, penetrate, pierce. That is I'm currently maxing the last synergy - power strike (14). My CS is lvl30 with 9 bolts, 1-4720 each. Except for the gloves, the gear is quite decent, and the build is focused on maximum damage.

The bolt is added each 5 lvls of CS, thus I'll be heading towards lvl35, once I find/shop +3java/20%IAS gloves, and +2 ammy instead of +1.

Btw, it seems jjscud's Shieldmaiden is already finished (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=299486&page=154), and definitely was not that strong back in her 80's.

[WrongdayJ]

I see your point.

And I fully agree with you.

Whimpy just meant not fully synergized.

(Man- I have alot of whimpy builds. . .)

[Ugla]

For questing, 3 skills (CS, LF, +1 other are sufficient). You can build up the Valkyrie for more safety, esp. in HC. The light-javazon is powerful enough, as you mentioned.

The only poor choice for remaining points are the poison skills. They are expensive compared to their power, and the major LI enemies (Souls) are immune to them as well.