barbarian stats, help!

[Lunarhammer]

Hi, Im currently in the process of making a ww barb, but I'd hate to mess up any of the stats and have to remake him. What is a good amount of stats to put into dex. for a dual wield barb.

My basic outlook is I want descent ar and at the same time I want max block for my ss when dueling melee barbs, but I am going to switch alot, with amulets and fcr rings against casters.

Additonal Questions:
Q: I plan on using nokozan against fire sorc. but do I really need ar against her?

Any help? I'd really appreciate it, I wouldnt want to attempt this process out on my own and learn it the hard way.

- thank you.

[mainaman]

If you plan on using angelics +widowmaker against hammerdins u need
47 base dext(add till you get 47 dext)
Make sure to hel the widowmaker then its dext requirements will be 117, you will have exactly 117 dext with angelics and arreat.
There is no sense to make max block barb for dueling other barbs...
If I get it right you are making BvC and they don't use shields at all.
You will meet only a few shield barbs and for them I suggest make diff char: smiter,bone necro, es blizz sorc. max block druid,hammerdin- you can choose among these.
For dueling other BvC's it all boils down to who has better gear/dmg/charms/less lag/more luck...

[Draigor]

I dont belive in builds, theres no such thing as a wrong stat or skill, as they all have pros and cons. Im trying to say you can justify anything that you invest in, just dont get killed and find good items!

[Ce Olba]

I dont belive in builds, theres no such thing as a wrong stat or skill, as they all have pros and cons. Im trying to say you can justify anything that you invest in, just dont get killed and find good items!

Sorry, but the PvP of Diablo is NOT about what YOU believe. It's about facts, mathematical facts.

[Lunarhammer]

Hi, thanks for the help I guess. I mean I dont plan on using a widowmaker, and I do want to max blocking against other barbs.

Any other suggestions please, if someone has a dual weild barb can they inform me on how many points they but into dex.

- thanks.

[Barloc]

Hi, thanks for the help I guess. I mean I dont plan on using a widowmaker, and I do want to max blocking against other barbs.

Any other suggestions please, if someone has a dual weild barb can they inform me on how many points they but into dex.

- thanks.

Total Blocking = [(Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)]

Thats the blocking formula.
@lvl 90 with a Stormshield you'll need 203 Dex.
Base=20
Arreats=20
Angelic Combo=10
Torch=(10-20)
Anni=(10-20)
Total dex = 70-90
So, you'd need to add 113-133 to achieve max block (using Griefz not Botdz)

[Ce Olba]

Total Blocking = [(Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)]

Thats the blocking formula.
@lvl 90 with a Stormshield you'll need 203 Dex.
Base=20
Arreats=20
Angelic Combo=10
Torch=(10-20)
Anni=(10-20)
Total dex = 70-90
So, you'd need to add 113-133 to achieve max block (using Griefz not Botdz)

Which translates to a loss of 1080.28 - 1271.48 life, which will force you, unless you have absolutely godly charms, under 5k life.

And that's why you should have an Eld in the Stormshield, it will save you 15 points.

Even with that the loss of 936.88 - 1128.08 life is NOT worth it, since there's only a single opponent that you will use it against.

And going that way will weaken your effectiveness versus casters, both lifewise and skillwise, since to have a chance to face barbarians, you will need to have a very high Shout. And those points are taken away from Leap, thus crippling your performance versus casters a lot.

[Barloc]

Which translates to a loss of 1080.28 - 1271.48 life, which will force you, unless you have absolutely godly charms, under 5k life.

And that's why you should have an Eld in the Stormshield, it will save you 15 points.

Even with that the loss of 936.88 - 1128.08 life is NOT worth it, since there's only a single opponent that you will use it against.

And going that way will weaken your effectiveness versus casters, both lifewise and skillwise, since to have a chance to face barbarians, you will need to have a very high Shout. And those points are taken away from Leap, thus crippling your performance versus casters a lot.

Absolutely agreed. I was just giving Lunar- the Block info he was looking for, since he still seems BvB focused. I also wasn't thinking shield socketing, but wouldn't ed/dex jewel be a better choice?

[Lunarhammer]

Hi thanks for the forumla, Im planning on using an ebotdz but anyways I still dont know, my build hope is to go up against casters as well, so when I switch from dual wield onto my ss to take on barbs, my block will be maxed.

Regarding attack rating, what is a good level of dex to put into that. If I were to have enough req. dex to max block will that be enough for my ar? I plan on using highlords and 2 raven frosts if Im still low from that I'd definately switch to angelics, but when I wanna verse fire sorc. I wanna switch my amulet to nokozan for resis, and switch to fcr/ar/life etc. rings. However, though I think I'd need alot more dex to pull my ring and amulet switch. Also, I would like to switch to fcr/ar/life rings when versing other opponets as well, such as: bone necros, posion necros, foh pallies and etc..

- Thanks for the help, if you can help me with any more information especially regarding my ar, I'd really appreciate it.

[mainaman]

Hi thanks for the forumla, Im planning on using an ebotdz but anyways I still dont know, my build hope is to go up against casters as well, so when I switch from dual wield onto my ss to take on barbs, my block will be maxed.

Regarding attack rating, what is a good level of dex to put into that. If I were to have enough req. dex to max block will that be enough for my ar? I plan on using highlords and 2 raven frosts if Im still low from that I'd definately switch to angelics, but when I wanna verse fire sorc. I wanna switch my amulet to nokozan for resis, and switch to fcr/ar/life etc. rings. However, though I think I'd need alot more dex to pull my ring and amulet switch. Also, I would like to switch to fcr/ar/life rings when versing other opponets as well, such as: bone necros, posion necros, foh pallies and etc..

- Thanks for the help, if you can help me with any more information especially regarding my ar, I'd really appreciate it.you dont get you ar from dexterity , you get it from charms+ rings+amulet + bonuses from gear
you would have invested huge stats into dext doe max block already so look for ar moded charms with life and dmg modes too. use angelic set for high ar.
I would not recommend making bva /bvb since it totaly will cripple you aginst casters

[Ce Olba]

Absolutely agreed. I was just giving Lunar- the Block info he was looking for, since he still seems BvB focused. I also wasn't thinking shield socketing, but wouldn't ed/dex jewel be a better choice?

You don't need any extra damage with Grief, so you can totally focus on getting the needed amount of dexterity to as low as possible.

However, another little thing is the strenght. You will need either a hel'ed Stormshield or an additional 18 points to strenght compareed to the default BvC base strenght (which is 63), giving you even less life.

As for using EBotdZ instead of Grief for the saved dexterity, that's not a good idea either, since you will then be ripped apart by every BvB using Grief, which counts as most of the BvBs, making you having max block useless. However, on the flip side, you will still be ripped apart because you either have less defense or then you lack leap versus casters.

[Barloc]

If all you have access to is Botdz as your main weapon and your on East Std, then yeah your gonna have a tough time vs Griefz BvB's. I think Greifz is difficult
to get on east nl, even if you have the goods to trade for one, you can't be too
sure it won't "poof". Fury is probably a good choice to build with for BvB since stat wise your dealing with the same balance as you would be with Grief (should you attain one later) and the ow damage is good. If you went ahead and tried to build your barb to duel both casters and barbs, expect to be dissapointed. Or even if you build a BvB and carry a bunch of sorb/res items, best your going to do is be able to jump a few pubbies who join your "Barb vs Barb" games who have little skill so don't expect alot there either(= my barb:rolleyes: )
main/Olba offer sound advice here, you'll fair far better as BvC vs other opponents then what you are suggesting.