A few BVB Questions :)

[stifmeizter]

Hi, I'm new to the barb forum and I have a couple simple questions for all you old timers here :)

first off what's the str req on an eth up'd arreats and would it be worth using > plain up'd (loss of socket choice)

2nd, has there been any research on Mastery gcs with good life being an option for bvb? it offers def, ar and dmg, very minimal critical strike like maybe 1-2% with 4-5 gcs, but it seems like a good alternative to the OH SO expensive 10/7x/4xs or 3/20/20s... (does anyone have anything like this on west Ladder or NL FT? :P)

(read a bit of rik's whirl guide and thought i'd ask again... the question is kind of rhetorical but... i guess another question is... for cbf what would be the best item to use for cbf, or just cham ss?)
CBF isn't neccesary on a BVB right? but what if conc comes into play in a non mana pot using duel... so... any solutions on AR? (if a ravenfrost is used... sorry if this is a little unclear, i added the little bracketed section up there to kind of clear up the question) because i know AR is roughly 20k for the average BVB right?

can anyone give me an ss or just a text example of a general good bvb standard? (in terms of, life, dmg, ar, def) general stats. thx :)

[jjashik]

welcome to the barb forums

the str req on an upd arreats would be 196 and 186 for eth. if you plan on going for lowest str possible for more life, this should be out of the question.

i have never personally tried the combat masteries with life but i do know a few ppl from back in early 1.10 who did use them. iirc, they said that the ar was a tad bit lower, def was higher, dmg was around the same. in bvb duels, they stood their ground pretty well. this is something that i've been wanting to test out, but i was never able to get all the mastery gcs.

cbf isn't needed for ww. but cbf can help if you decide to use conc. i would just use mana pots. and for jewelry, use angelic ammy and 2rings combo. that should put you up to about 20k ar with no enchant from demon limb. if you go with a raven frost ring, you can try to get all ar/life charms to make up for some of the ar. but i don't think you'll have your ar as high as using 2 angelic rings.

my lvl 95 bvb barb stats... 6.6k life, 22k+ ar, 26k+ def, 1.4k+ dmg. all with lvl 33 bo, no enchant, using grief and fort, and no duped charms. :grin:

[stifmeizter]

welcome to the barb forums

the str req on an upd arreats would be 196 and 186 for eth. if you plan on going for lowest str possible for more life, this should be out of the question.

my lvl 95 bvb barb stats... 6.6k life, 22k+ ar, 26k+ def, 1.4k+ dmg. all with lvl 33 bo, no enchant, using grief and fort, and no duped charms. :grin:


186 for eth... so that would be perf right after using a ss, i can use the helm... +20 str... which means i still need another 20+ or so for sacred fort though... so in the long run... no str is saved at all unless i choose to go archon fort... but then that means all the def given on eth up'd arreats is blown away

can u tell me what u use to get that much life/ar? cuz it seems like u went for ar/hp scs instead of max/ar/hp :)

[TheBe]

can u tell me what u use to get that much life/ar? cuz it seems like u went for ar/hp scs instead of max/ar/hp :)
Ar/life charms or max/ar/life (cost more).

[stifmeizter]

Ar/life charms or max/ar/life (cost more).

do you mean they are the best but they cost more?

[Ce Olba]

do you mean they are the best but they cost more?

max/ar/life SCs are the best. If you are looking at GCs for example, AR/Life wins because you gain much higher AR with fewer GCs, meaning you lose less life. The difference between a max/ar/life and an ar/life SC is mere 16 AR, but a GC is 56 AR. Now, 16 AR after bonuses is about 82.88, whereas 56 AR is 290.08 AR. Quite a difference for a mere +10 max damage, which ends up being an addition of +14 PvP damage.

[stifmeizter]

max/ar/life SCs are the best. If you are looking at GCs for example, AR/Life wins because you gain much higher AR with fewer GCs, meaning you lose less life. The difference between a max/ar/life and an ar/life SC is mere 16 AR, but a GC is 56 AR. Now, 16 AR after bonuses is about 82.88, whereas 56 AR is 290.08 AR. Quite a difference for a mere +10 max damage, which ends up being an addition of +14 PvP damage.


I guess typically the best choice for a BVB then would be x37 36/20s for balance of good life and AR because 82(sc's AR) x3 would mean roughly 250 (rounded up) which is close to 290 but offers alot more life after BO? (and i'm going with ar/hp because my best guess is griefz's dmg is more important than whatever max the person has)

what i meant about the mastery gcs is does anyone know how much ar it gives? because it's a skill it igves by % so is there a way to optimize it by using certain quantities of mastery gcs mixed with ar gcs or max/ar to produce the maximum AR/dmg/def possble? so i mean, without any other types of charms, how much does 1 mastery gc add (in terms of dmg/ar/def) i'm kind of curious, because they seem a really cheap/affective alternative, but atm i'm still leaning toward the ar/hp scs :)


Thx all you fat barbs for the help, feed me more information so I can get fat too :)

[Ce Olba]

I guess typically the best choice for a BVB then would be x37 36/20s for balance of good life and AR because 82(sc's AR) x3 would mean roughly 250 (rounded up) which is close to 290 but offers alot more life after BO? (and i'm going with ar/hp because my best guess is griefz's dmg is more important than whatever max the person has)

This again, depends from the other properties of your character. You will need to have high damage, but also enough life to be able to last for at least enough of time to kill your opponent. For this, you need a high AR. So it comes down to your other gear. If you are packed with perfect Griefs and the like, the +max may not be such an important addition.

Also, the difference between an AR/Life GC and three SCs. The SCs add at most +108 AR, but +60 life. The GCs add at most +132 AR, but only +45 life. Now, if you take in rarity, the GCs are way rarer, thus it's less likely that you will find even a single +45 life GC. Also, the difference between the two is a mere 125 AR and 35 life, after multipliers.

what i meant about the mastery gcs is does anyone know how much ar it gives? because it's a skill it igves by % so is there a way to optimize it by using certain quantities of mastery gcs mixed with ar gcs or max/ar to produce the maximum AR/dmg/def possble? so i mean, without any other types of charms, how much does 1 mastery gc add (in terms of dmg/ar/def) i'm kind of curious, because they seem a really cheap/affective alternative, but atm i'm still leaning toward the ar/hp scs :)

The only way that Mastery GCs could be decent would be if you have several thousands of +AR and didn't have too much +AR%. You see, you have about +400% AR, which is quite a lot, and the effectiveness of additional +AR% decreses along with a higher +AR%, compared to the fact that you will at most have about +3496 AR. Now, if you take these two, you end up with 17480 AR. Now, if you add +36% AR (three GCs), you will lose +324 AR, making your current AR be 3172. Now you will have 17001.92 AR. Now, if you take a single GC only, you will have +412% AR with +3388AR, ending up at 17346.56. As you see, as long as you can have +AR in the place of the GCs, the GCs always lose.

[stifmeizter]

This again, depends from the other properties of your character. You will need to have high damage, but also enough life to be able to last for at least enough of time to kill your opponent. For this, you need a high AR. So it comes down to your other gear. If you are packed with perfect Griefs and the like, the +max may not be such an important addition.

Also, the difference between an AR/Life GC and three SCs. The SCs add at most +108 AR, but +60 life. The GCs add at most +132 AR, but only +45 life. Now, if you take in rarity, the GCs are way rarer, thus it's less likely that you will find even a single +45 life GC. Also, the difference between the two is a mere 125 AR and 35 life, after multipliers.



The only way that Mastery GCs could be decent would be if you have several thousands of +AR and didn't have too much +AR%. You see, you have about +400% AR, which is quite a lot, and the effectiveness of additional +AR% decreses along with a higher +AR%, compared to the fact that you will at most have about +3496 AR. Now, if you take these two, you end up with 17480 AR. Now, if you add +36% AR (three GCs), you will lose +324 AR, making your current AR be 3172. Now you will have 17001.92 AR. Now, if you take a single GC only, you will have +412% AR with +3388AR, ending up at 17346.56. As you see, as long as you can have +AR in the place of the GCs, the GCs always lose.



so using 10/7x/4x... say maybe a .... duress user or a fury user would find the maxs more useful... but when using griefz.... the ar/hp sc/gcs are basically the best money can buy? this is pretty much what i'm getting from this explaination... and that mastery gcs... while cheap and affective just don't cut it for end game gear :)

i think i get what you're saying, unless i'm way off.

[Ce Olba]

so using 10/7x/4x... say maybe a .... duress user or a fury user would find the maxs more useful... but when using griefz.... the ar/hp sc/gcs are basically the best money can buy? this is pretty much what i'm getting from this explaination... and that mastery gcs... while cheap and affective just don't cut it for end game gear :)

i think i get what you're saying, unless i'm way off.

Yes, AR/Life> Max/AR/Life. The difference in damage is very small, about 100 PvP damage, after chance to do double damage.

However, some people still prefer the added 100 damage.

[stifmeizter]

Yes, AR/Life> Max/AR/Life. The difference in damage is very small, about 100 PvP damage, after chance to do double damage.

However, some people still prefer the added 100 damage.

Aye Aye Cap'n, read ya loud n clear :)

127+/40+ it is for me then :) thx

[jjashik]

can u tell me what u use to get that much life/ar? cuz it seems like u went for ar/hp scs instead of max/ar/hp :)

i have mostly ar/life scs. also, having 33 base str helps with the life. the most str i have with all my equipment is 156. if your on west, i can show u my setup, just pm me your account.