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I've been told that having 2x Dooms as warcry weapons is the ideal choice for BvCs because the holy freeze aura bonus will stack, giving you a level 24 holy freeze. Right now I only have 1 doom and it wouldn't be too far a stretch for me to obtain another one. However, I'm a lazy person :tongue:. Would getting that 2nd Doom really make my dueling effectiveness increase by leaps and bounds? I checked Arreat Summit and a level 24 holy freeze would only do 49-50 aura damage with a radius of 19.3 yards. Just about the only real advantage for a 2nd Doom that I can see is an extra -50% or so to cold resistance. But with such low aura damage does it really make a difference? Let me know if I'm missing something here.
I've been told that having 2x Dooms as warcry weapons is the ideal choice for BvCs because the holy freeze aura bonus will stack, giving you a level 24 holy freeze. Right now I only have 1 doom and it wouldn't be too far a stretch for me to obtain another one. However, I'm a lazy person :tongue:. Would getting that 2nd Doom really make my dueling effectiveness increase by leaps and bounds?
No, but if you give in to your laziness, you should just donate all of your items to poorer people. You should be able to at least get two Dooms, man.
I checked Arreat Summit and a level 24 holy freeze would only do 49-50 aura damage with a radius of 19.3 yards. Just about the only real advantage for a 2nd Doom that I can see is an extra -50% or so to cold resistance. But with such low aura damage does it really make a difference? Let me know if I'm missing something here.
The lvl 24 aura will let you kill people who are on 1 life after your OW and are running to regen life from something in their gear (hoto for example). Also, it will let you kill the wolves and/or the oak of a Windy easily.
Also, it will let you kill the wolves and/or the oak of a Windy easily.
2x doom is not enough to shatter oak. On a high'ish level one, you need quite a few pulses to bring it down. It's enough however to shatter oak from charges, like Hoto which might be invaluable vs hammerdins on nightmare.
In my opinion dual doom is not necessary. It's good to have though.
The lvl 24 aura will let you kill people who are on 1 life after your OW and are running to regen life from something in their gear (hoto for example).
Isn't 1X Doom enough to do this? I've done this many times to running hammerdins who are on 1 life.
No, but if you give in to your laziness, you should just donate all of your items to poorer people. You should be able to at least get two Dooms, man.
I don't know about others, but I find this kind of statement offensive. It makes assumptions about people. Why should I be donating ALL my items to other players just because I am lazy? The truth is I don't want to spend so much time on this game anymore, and while I do enjoy jumping into the occasional pvp game, I've mostly moved on with my life. I've worked hard for my items, and I still enjoy using them. Give me a good reason as to why I should be throwing them all away.
Isn't 1X Doom enough to do this? I've done this many times to running hammerdins who are on 1 life.
Actually, I'm not sure, since I never bothered to use a single Doom in that way.
I don't know about others, but I find this kind of statement offensive. It makes assumptions about people.
Well, feel free to. And while you are at it, please contact Arbedark to discuss about your position in the "Let's-all-hate-that-one-person-who-seems-to-annoy-everyone-somehow-lol"-club, I'm sure he would like a new member now and then.
Why should I be donating ALL my items to other players just because I am lazy? The truth is I don't want to spend so much time on this game anymore, and while I do enjoy jumping into the occasional pvp game, I've mostly moved on with my life. I've worked hard for my items, and I still enjoy using them. Give me a good reason as to why I should be throwing them all away.
Simple: Either do it good, or don't do it at all. Yes, only black and white. No grays. Why? Because compromises never work. And getting a simple Doom won't take a freaking day if you would just bother with it. Or then you will now give out the secret that if you get a Doom, you cannot get the charms. Which will be a funny situation: IT'S GRAY! But it's not.
Think about it.
Isn't 1X Doom enough to do this? I've done this many times to running hammerdins who are on 1 life.
I don't know about others, but I find this kind of statement offensive. It makes assumptions about people. Why should I be donating ALL my items to other players just because I am lazy? The truth is I don't want to spend so much time on this game anymore, and while I do enjoy jumping into the occasional pvp game, I've mostly moved on with my life. I've worked hard for my items, and I still enjoy using them. Give me a good reason as to why I should be throwing them all away.
Just think of Mandark from Dexters Laboratory when you read a Ce Olba post and you won't feel so bad.
Simple: Either do it good, or don't do it at all. Yes, only black and white.
Fine. That's your opinion. But then again you also say
Actually, I'm not sure, since I never bothered to use a single Doom in that way.
So let me get this straight. I should get it right, or not do it at all. Except you haven't properly explained WHY having 2X Doom would be "getting it right".
So let me get this straight. I should get it right, or not do it at all. Except you haven't properly explained WHY having 2X Doom would be "getting it right".
Why should I properly explain why to have two Dooms since they are clearly better than any other Bo switch you can ever have? If you were to compare them, this is what you would have:
Dooms
+ Bo swap that can kill
+ Holy Freeze aura
+ -Cold Resistances
-Skills
Bo spears
+ High +bo
- No damage
- No other use except for Bo
Bo Daggers with Life Tap
+ High +bo
+ Life Tap (saves space)
- No damage
- Only two uses: for Life Tap and bo
Hotos
+ High + Bo
+ High FCR
+ High resistances
- No damage
- No other use except teleporting in Baalruns and Boing
- The resistances is useless
Hoto + CTA
+ High +Bo
- No damage
- No other use except for Bo
Now, if you compare them, you get this:
Dooms: Has a lot of uses. The only downside is the lack of +2 skills, but since you already have +134% to Life, a few percentages wouldn't break or make you
Bo Spears: The most useless of them all, as they are only used for Bo. Mainly Poor people should consider this.
Bo Daggers: "The badass Bo swap". However, the usefulness is again minimal.
Hotos: One of the most useless and more common setups. Some people say that they use Hotos for "faster" Bo? What the heck, if you cast your war cries 20% faster when it only takes less than two seconds, why would that extra 4 frames play any role? Also, I've heard from some people that they like to teleport with the Hotos doe to faster speed. Again, this is only with 40% FCR BEFORE Hotos, because 20 + 80 = 100 and the breakpoint is at 105%. Teleporting with Hotos outside of Baalruns is totally useless.
Hoto + CTA: Again, one of the more useless and more common setups. The only real reason for this setup is what some people call "stylepoints" and the highest +bo possible. I guess some people consider it "stylish" to have expensive Bo weapons, but then again, two dooms overwhelm Hoto + CTA costwise most of the time.
See?
Perhaps I wasn't clear about it, but I have been specifically asking for the merits of using TWO dooms versus ONE doom. I'm well aware of the benefits to having a holy freeze aura. Now I'm wondering just how useful a level 24 holy freeze aura is versus a level 12 one.
You did bring up a good point about Dooms being able to kill (I'm talking about actually using the weapon here).
it nice to have 2 x doom but me personally i used to have 2 but now i use one only and just use a bo stick that good enought for me as there is hardly any setups were i seriously neededa doom to help.
Eilo Rytyj
09-01-2007, 16:27
The merits of 2 Dooms over 1 is obvious: the greater aura range. Not the pulse damage. Not the excessive -cold res%, but the ability to stick someone with the HF aura from further away. This could mean knocking off that hdin's last 1 life if he tries to run'n'regen, or chasing down a stupidly fast Bowazon easier, to ruining a Pally's desynching, or whatever else you kids use the Holy Freeze aura for.
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