Best SWORD for BOTD?

[rev129]

Is there such a thing as ETH Superior Col Sword or is it a ETh Cruel Col Sword?

Thanks ahead of time.

[Ce Olba]

Is there such a thing as ETH Superior Col Sword or is it a ETh Cruel Col Sword?

Thanks ahead of time.

Colossus Swords can only have 5 sockets, so no BotDs. And magical items cannot have runewords put into them.

[rev129]

Colossus Swords can only have 5 sockets, so no BotDs. And magical items cannot have runewords put into them.

So what SWORD is best for BOTD?

[batuchka]

For barbarians the best BOTD in a sword would be the ethereal Colossus Blade because it is the highest damaging sword that has range 3 and could yield 6 sockets, hence allowing the runeword 'BOTD' to be made into it. Other swords like a phase blade could also spawn with 6 sockets but due to their low 1-hand damage, range of 2 and the fact that they cannot be ethereal are not desired to be made into BOTDs. However a bizzare build called the palabear (paladin using Beast runeword to turn into a bear) benefits greatly from a BOTD in a phase blade but that is another story :P Non elite versions of the Colossus Blade such as the Executioner and Great Sword also spawn with 6 sockets but again they are not desired due to low 1-hand damage. An Eth Cruel Sword is a magical item with the 'Cruel' (200ed-300ed) prefix and hence could not be made into a runeword. Only white/grey text items could be made into runewords. Hoped i helped ^^

[Spankeh]

weapon range means SQUAT if your a frenzy build

[Jackson]

weapon range means SQUAT if your a frenzy build

You're right if you mean you shouldn't base your weapon-choice on it.

However, there are occasions when it's cool to have. Like... for example, I do Nithlathak runs with my ZAxe-using Frenzier. If there is any other method of engaging Nithlathak, please feel free to let me know. But my method is teleing straight into the pack, and chopping away. Sometimes Nithlathak will move a little, but I can still hit him through the crowd.

Anyways, Spankeh is right, but I just wanted to point out one of the *very minor* benefits of having more range.

[NASE]

can't it work the other way around to. I remeber the my frenzy barb always attacked two different targets. Something we actually don't want, if both hit would hit the same monster, it would die faster*.

So, if you have only range one and you engage a monster. The other mosters will stop at their range, probably being more the one. So you will be in range one with the monster you want to hit, and in a bigger range for the other monster you don't want to hit. This would result in killing a single monster faster. this would be an argument for going with a small range.

*: I just pray frenzy doesn't suffer from next delay.

[Barloc]

can't it work the other way around to. I remeber the my frenzy barb always attacked two different targets. Something we actually don't want, if both hit would hit the same monster, it would die faster*.

So, if you have only range one and you engage a monster. The other mosters will stop at their range, probably being more the one. So you will be in range one with the monster you want to hit, and in a bigger range for the other monster you don't want to hit. This would result in killing a single monster faster. this would be an argument for going with a small range.

*: I just pray frenzy doesn't suffer from next delay.

Well, if your totally surrounded, then you'll have monsters in range 1 anyway, so you'll still be swinging at multiple targets.

Also, if it took 10 hits to kill 2 monsters, and you kill 1 first, then the other, it's still 10 hits total no matter how you slice it. Plus you'll start getting those hits in sooner if they start torwards you beyond range 1 or 2.

If we're looking at Botd anyway, I don't think there's a 6 sock range 1
weapon that's a better choice than Zerk or CB, let me know if there is tho-
off to work.

Peace

[sexyfool]

Also, if it took 10 hits to kill 2 monsters, and you kill 1 first, then the other, it's still 10 hits total no matter how you slice it. Plus you'll start getting those hits in sooner if they start torwards you beyond range 1 or 2.


Peace

If you kill both monsters at the same time then both have had the oppurtunity to hit you for that period of time. Kill first one and then the other and you reduce the number of hits overall by an average of 25%.

The best sword for breath of the dying, in my opinion, is an ethereal colossus blade. It offers the greatest damage, longest ramge and is damn sexy.

One more point. Spankeh's comment regarding range may apply to frenzy but is the exact opposite for a ww bvb build. Range is vital for ww and 3 > 2. Ask any seasoned bvb player who wins when all other factors are equal but one has greater range.

glhf. :smiley:

[thethirdright]

I know swords are cool and all ... But I would like to note this.

For using a Colossus Blade EBOTD 1h, you get

Range 3, average damage of 45. Str req 189, dex req 110.

For using a Zerker axe, you get

Range 3, average damage of 47.5, str req 138, dex re 59.

Unfortunately, there's no good reason to use a 1h EBOTDCB as cool as they are.

Now, if you've got an Eth 60s CB you need to use, a LWCB-packing A5 merc is a great partner in rolling over mobs.

Just a thought.

[Croup]

Little off in the numbers because if the CB is ethereal, it drops the requirements. Not to mention that BotD contains a Hel rune, which drops the requirements even more.

The Zerker still comes out ahead, it's just not as stark of a difference as you make it out to be.

[Barloc]

If you kill both monsters at the same time then both have had the oppurtunity to hit you for that period of time. Kill first one and then the other and you reduce the number of hits overall by an average of 25%.



Actually 1 at a time doesn't reduce number of hits there. monster 1 = 5 hits to die. monster 2 = 5 hits to die. #of hits to kill both (5+5)=10. Oh but actually 1 at a time might waste a swing, since you'll have to swing both weapons 3 times to kill one monster and 3 times again to kill the other. Thats 12 swings vs 10 = 20% more swings wasted killing 1 at a time -no? Or are you talking about reducing the % chance of your Barb getting hit.

[Spankeh]

I know swords are cool and all ... But I would like to note this.

For using a Colossus Blade EBOTD 1h, you get

Range 3, average damage of 45. Str req 189, dex req 110.

For using a Zerker axe, you get

Range 3, average damage of 47.5, str req 138, dex re 59.

Unfortunately, there's no good reason to use a 1h EBOTDCB as cool as they are.

Now, if you've got an Eth 60s CB you need to use, a LWCB-packing A5 merc is a great partner in rolling over mobs.

Just a thought.

LOOOOL

I use 2x eth cb and 2x pb, and i spent 30 on str and 10 on dex.
Wanna take back your rediculous post?

[AnimeCraze]

Actually 1 at a time doesn't reduce number of hits there. monster 1 = 5 hits to die. monster 2 = 5 hits to die. #of hits to kill both (5+5)=10. Oh but actually 1 at a time might waste a swing, since you'll have to swing both weapons 3 times to kill one monster and 3 times again to kill the other. Thats 12 swings vs 10 = 20% more swings wasted killing 1 at a time -no? Or are you talking about reducing the % chance of your Barb getting hit.He is talking about chance of barb getting hit. The math works. If you play starcraft you would know that this is very important.

[Halciet]

LOOOOL

I use 2x eth cb and 2x pb, and i spent 30 on str and 10 on dex.
Wanna take back your rediculous post?

How is it ridiculous? That's 40 vitality you lost there, as well as some 1h damage/speed for normal-class attacks, all on top of the ability to ever pick up a beast axe for off-hand in pvp.

-Hal

[thethirdright]

LOOOOL

I use 2x eth cb and 2x pb, and i spent 30 on str and 10 on dex.
Wanna take back your rediculous post?

How is it ridiculous? That's 40 vitality you lost there, as well as some 1h damage/speed for normal-class attacks, all on top of the ability to ever pick up a beast axe for off-hand in pvp.

I'm not taking it back, but I didn't mean to offend your sword barb. I'm just saying that due to design decisions, the CB has always been superfluous to the Zerker being around. While it's cool, there are no advantages to using one - Though you'd think there would be, I mean, range 3? Look at the size of that thing! You think Swords got it bad? Look at maces.