fissure druid

[clayton bigsby]

i was dueling the other day wit my bvc. he has about 6k life and 75 fire res. however, a druid using fissure comes in and takes me out in less than a second. ive never seen that before. however when i looked at the dmg of that skill, it does about 1k wit full synergies. a sorcs meteor does like 20k as much, but it does hurt me as much as that druid did. how does the druid kill me so quickly if his attack is so low? and i wuz also wondering if there is a build for this character.

[superjayson]

he probably had at least a 35+ fissure with maxed synergies and lots of +/- fire dmg.

[Ed from Russia]

I use Fissure a lot in PvM. Don't know the details, but it tends to do much more damage to fast creatures than slow ones. If you walk over a fissure 'mat', the damage must trigger several times, and with higher frequency if you run over it.

[SSoG]

There are a couple of unknown mechanics with Fissure, but what is known is that both Fissure and Volcano do *well over* their listed damages.

I've heard speculation that every time a creature moves and is not in Hit Recovery, fissure will deal its listed damage once per frame (which means it could hypothetically deal 25 times its listed damage as you run across a vent, although in practice I don't think it ever gets that high). I've also seen tests that PROVE that if you have two enemies standing on one vent, Fissure's damage goes through the roof (probably 10 times listed damage to both enemies). There's also speculation that Fissure's vents behave like Poison Creeper's "mats", in that both seem to be dealing far more than their listed damage, and they both seem to be doing it in similar circumstances (usually: multiple monsters on one mat or vent).

[Krim]

i was dueling the other day wit my bvc. he has about 6k life and 75 fire res. however, a druid using fissure comes in and takes me out in less than a second. ive never seen that before. however when i looked at the dmg of that skill, it does about 1k wit full synergies. a sorcs meteor does like 20k as much, but it does hurt me as much as that druid did. how does the druid kill me so quickly if his attack is so low? and i wuz also wondering if there is a build for this character.

I think a person named Clan Iraq made a guide for this kind of druid. It was based on Fissure against meelers, and a Volcano + Bear with a lot of %ED from an oak against casters. Very BvC inspired, in some old thread I read that some of the top BvC's that was in this forum dueled him and beated his druid with ease, but when lagged, lost.

According to his guide Fissure was only effective when someone was moving through it e.g. charge, and WW.

I've no idea if what he told was true, it doesn't seems like it after reading SSoG's post. Nevertheless his druid seemed very interesting, but since it's fire damage we're talking about then even if it really is such a great build, a couple of hot spurs, 2 dwarf stars, and a rising sun, just to exaggerate could probably eliminate this builds damage. I don't think the bear can deal enough damage to beat a good melee char, and the volcano only worked well (putting in faster hit recovery animation) against chars with less than 3k life if I remember correctly.

I hope this input is to some kind of help.

[Jary]

This is nothing new, I've used fissure ALL the time vs ww-Barbs and they always underestimate its power. Right now, lvl 32 fissure I do about 2.9k but since the proximity of its damage is affected by movement and area... if a barb ww's through me while i'm stacking two fissures I'm covering more area of damage and since he's ww-ing through he's taking more damage over time. Actually, a few days ago I dueled a barb who claimed 7.5k life and max resists and after I just plain stood their max block and killed him with fissure over and over he just sat there befuddled and was like... ok... wtf are u using? lol, I thought that was pretty funny at the time. With pallys its the same thing if you make 'em chase you around in your fissures for a sec, but I found that they tend to have a lil' higher resist/sorb than barbs generally. When that happens I just give up and sneak fissures on him at the edge of town to annoy him and go "tee hee hee =)" till he just wants to slap me lol.

Btw, I say thumbs down on 20/-20 monarch now : /. I used to use it much more often but u can't tank like you can with ss. Also, I found that so many players stack resists, so yeah you get a lil' more damage, but the ends just dont justify the means usuaully.

[Morathi]

Yes fissure is a spell with hidden advantages.

[scorchedMAYO]

that would be a cool mix

stand in human form and cast fissure as a fireclaw druid
cast it between you and the enemy, maybe barely hitting him

than quickly turn into werebear and start the duel, the stunning from the fissure mixed with fast fireclaw attacking would own....not sure if its fast enough though

[Krim]

that would be a cool mix

stand in human form and cast fissure as a fireclaw druid
cast it between you and the enemy, maybe barely hitting him

than quickly turn into werebear and start the duel, the stunning from the fissure mixed with fast fireclaw attacking would own....not sure if its fast enough though

Well this would maybe work for an all melee duel, but remember that you still would only have one kind of damage, fire.

[LorveN]

Well this would maybe work for an all melee duel, but remember that you still would only have one kind of damage, fire.

Which is pretty easy to negate with a few clicks. Up comes dwarf stars and hotspurs. :undecided:
Fireclaws is deadly fast if your gear is right.

[DIEnamic]

I think a person named Clan Iraq made a guide for this kind of druid. It was based on Fissure against meelers, and a Volcano + Bear with a lot of %ED from an oak against casters. Very BvC inspired, in some old thread I read that some of the top BvC's that was in this forum dueled him and beated his druid with ease, but when lagged, lost.

According to his guide Fissure was only effective when someone was moving through it e.g. charge, and WW.

I've no idea if what he told was true, it doesn't seems like it after reading SSoG's post. Nevertheless his druid seemed very interesting, but since it's fire damage we're talking about then even if it really is such a great build, a couple of hot spurs, 2 dwarf stars, and a rising sun, just to exaggerate could probably eliminate this builds damage. I don't think the bear can deal enough damage to beat a good melee char, and the volcano only worked well (putting in faster hit recovery animation) against chars with less than 3k life if I remember correctly.

I hope this input is to some kind of help.


http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=355469
^clan iraq's pvp shaman

one of my favorite builds, albeit being very weak. definitely one of my fav chars to play.

as far as fissure is concerned, it hits maybe 3-4 times if they stay put. however if they ARE in fact moving, it hits more times than I would care to count. I can understand what SSoG means by hitting once per frame, it's literally that fast. especially when you can overlap your fissures for a good 2-3 seconds before the duration wears out.

although I don't advocate this type of playing, I'm sure you have seen the town hugging fissure druids before. they tend to be effective because people have to run to and from the town entrance, causing huge damage.

but since iraq's build is a hybrid, fissure wont be fully synergized and as effective as a normal fissure druid until level 99. however at level 90, my "shaman" does just under 3.5k fissure and can swap gear to lower enemy fire resist up to -63%. not good enough to beat someone spurring me though.

the downside is that the bear can't beat a sorbing barb, and in most cases some sorbing pallies. at 4.4k life and 5k damage, you would think it's far more effective.

another big downside is that the build has no oak sage or max block. it tends to be very fragile and dies in one charge or whirl to even subpar duelers.

in a sorb free environment, this is a very underrated build imo

if theres any particular build that would counter this, it definitely has to be a bvc. I'm not suprised at all that claniraq lost to a respected bvc from this forum, but it really isn't a fair duel at all. the only way you would beat a bvc using a shaman is to play it like a bullfight and gear up to do as much fissure as possible and pray it takes down their stacked res and 6k+ life in one whirl (unlikely).

[iamclaniraq]

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=355469
^clan iraq's pvp shaman

one of my favorite builds, albeit being very weak. definitely one of my fav chars to play.

as far as fissure is concerned, it hits maybe 3-4 times if they stay put. however if they ARE in fact moving, it hits more times than I would care to count. I can understand what SSoG means by hitting once per frame, it's literally that fast. especially when you can overlap your fissures for a good 2-3 seconds before the duration wears out.

although I don't advocate this type of playing, I'm sure you have seen the town hugging fissure druids before. they tend to be effective because people have to run to and from the town entrance, causing huge damage.

but since iraq's build is a hybrid, fissure wont be fully synergized and as effective as a normal fissure druid until level 99. however at level 90, my "shaman" does just under 3.5k fissure and can swap gear to lower enemy fire resist up to -63%. not good enough to beat someone spurring me though.

the downside is that the bear can't beat a sorbing barb, and in most cases some sorbing pallies. at 4.4k life and 5k damage, you would think it's far more effective.

another big downside is that the build has no oak sage or max block. it tends to be very fragile and dies in one charge or whirl to even subpar duelers.

in a sorb free environment, this is a very underrated build imo

if theres any particular build that would counter this, it definitely has to be a bvc. I'm not suprised at all that claniraq lost to a respected bvc from this forum, but it really isn't a fair duel at all. the only way you would beat a bvc using a shaman is to play it like a bullfight and gear up to do as much fissure as possible and pray it takes down their stacked res and 6k+ life in one whirl (unlikely).

People remember me O_o

Yeah i remember that duel. I was boing in CP in a pubby when some guy shouts "HAY IM FROM DII FORUMS" and pops through wp and kills me. Then I handily destroyed him and nked him a couple time after that. But yeah, he killed me ;)

BvC's are actually pretty easy duels, depending. A noob who thinks he can go 2x axes will get absolutely destroyed by bear harassment; 0% blocking = gg barb. Meanwhile, a 1 hander without absorb will have no chance against fissure abuse. Its the 1 hand, absorbing barbs, that I simply avoid. Its like dueling a fire trapper with a wind druid ;)

But then again, I happen to be particulary good at that "bullfighting" think against wwbarbs. Shame i stopped playing.

[iamclaniraq]

But yeah, one of the things ive learned in teaching people the build is that it is a GLASS CANNON
If you cant dodge fireballs, dont even TRY playing a shaman.


Takes a hell of alot of skill and strategy to play....

[akamaru]

I use Fissure a lot in PvM. Don't know the details, but it tends to do much more damage to fast creatures than slow ones. If you walk over a fissure 'mat', the damage must trigger several times, and with higher frequency if you run over it.

yeah this is pretty true i was fighting a guy who used fissure then ran back in town so i ran out of town and stopped walking i just stoo there with shift+fury i got damaged the first step but then i stood there and next time he came out to cast it he got hit with the fury