Summoner Nec's Gear?

[bobofuzzlymunky]

i decided to make a summon necro and this is the gear ive come up with...

Um'd Shako
Maras
Mp Nigma
Hoto
3-3-3 Um'd Darkforce
Double Upped Lenymo
Fcr rings x2
Trang Gloves
Marrows
Cta on switch
Ntorch/anni

merc-
ePride CV
3k eth fort
Andys

iron golem'd insight.

it seems more like bone nec gear to me... idk what i did wrong, if anything.

[zeskelnec]

nice gear. Undeads will remain in their tomb.
The regeneration of Mana from Leny will be largely covered by the Gollum IMHO and the +5 res is unfortunately low. so maybe arach would serve better purpose.
It sounds indeed a more oriented Bone Spear or spirit /summon or psn/summon hybrid.

[DaemonAkuma]

True. Especially with the FCR rings, a stat that (unique to the Summoner in many regards as a magic user) does not apply much unless you want to be able to spam CE quicker. I'd opt for 2x soj/bk for the +skills. Also, the Hoto adds +3 skills (which is nice) but also has less bonuses than an AOKL. Hoto is acceptable, of course, although you amy want to equip AOKL when you make your army and then switch back to hoto so that your army retains the inherent bonuses given by the additional +skills AOKL provides.

Everything else is good as far as I can see, although Infinity seems to be a better match for a summoner since it not only makes mages do more damage but also weakens ur enemies and increases the likelihood your skellies will hit (big upswing in killing speed). The maras and rest is all gravy. Again though you may want a +3 sum ammy just for the added bonus when you first summon but that 1 extra SP isn't a big whoop. I usually have on 3sum ammy and AOKL to summon then switch to ististAli baba and a 29 Maras. Works out well.

Arach would be a better replacement for Lenymo, also. But you've got good high-end gear so you'd do just fine with what you already have if you see it as too much trouble to do all the switching around and whatnot.

[imanoobersmiter]

Infinity seems to be a better match for a summoner since it not only makes mages do more damage but also weakens ur enemies and increases the likelihood your skellies will hit (big upswing in killing speed)

i would go with a faith merc.... well actually thats what i did and i love it
but thats just me

[bobofuzzlymunky]

i would use aokl, almost did, but i opted not to as i would like to get higher res... with this setup i only get ~45, if i got rid of hoto id be hurtin :/ ...i may get 1 soj/bk, because legit ones are so hard to come across/trade for. but yea, lenymo was just cuz i dont like paying 7hrs for a belt... arach is ridiculous on east right now -.-

[KavikKang]

i would use aokl, almost did, but i opted not to as i would like to get higher res... with this setup i only get ~45, if i got rid of hoto id be hurtin :/ ...i may get 1 soj/bk, because legit ones are so hard to come across/trade for. but yea, lenymo was just cuz i dont like paying 7hrs for a belt... arach is ridiculous on east right now -.-

You want maxium +skills with a summon nec, the rings are the big thing I notice about your setup. Replace those with skill rings (BK Rings best for nec). Also, Homunculus is the best shield available too you. Especially combined with Hoto, those two pretty much provide all of your res from just two items.

[DaemonAkuma]

Well like I said just use AOKL when you make your army then take it OFF of your equip and slap on hoto; now you may have 1 less skelly, but the ones you have are stronger than they would have been had you summoned them with hoto equipped.

7hrs on East? I play East and got one for 3 :D Just gotta be patient really.

Faith merc is ok except against bosses/ubers when you want Crushing Blow and the Faith merc has to be A1, so she is seriously debilitated w/ CB. She also lacks the pure brunt power of an Act II merc since then you can also have MIGHT which doubles your skellies attack power, so you get Might+Conviction and a much larger damage potential via CB and just pure dmg as opposed to act 1.

In all fairness though, act 1 mercs can attack from the stack and also do not tend to die often (although my aII has little trouble in that regard cept against tomb vipers O_o). They're also less stereotypical but let's face it...using a Summoner on East at all past normal diff lvl pretty makes much you a minority rebel.

[ispankpigeons]

what the heck, arachnids is going 3 hrs on east now?

i got my first one for a PUL rune, for christ sakes

[bobofuzzlymunky]

what the heck, arachnids is going 3 hrs on east now?

i got my first one for a PUL rune, for christ sakes

any 100%ed+ one is easily 5hr on east ladder, i got my 93%ed one for 2 before the inflation.

[bogie]

I just sold my arach for a hoz and dungoes, but of which have vastly risen in prices lately, ive seen offers of 6-8hrs for ANY arach on east!

Anyway, your setup actually seems perfect to me, with the exception of one small detail. You have a pride on your merc, and Id strongly recommend putting an infinity on him instead, for the following reasons,

1) Infinity has more on wep ed%, so your merc will easily be doing 3-4x the dmg than with pride
2) Your merc + CE are the main killers, and skeles are more for support, and with pride, your killing your mercs dmg.
3) Skeles hit much more with the -85% defense to monsters from the conviction on infinity
4) Mage and CE dmg is greatly increased by Infinity
5) Pride freezes corpses (gross...) and blinds targets, overwriting your own curses

Overall, Infinity > Pride, even if you dont have mages, and I would strongly recommend using one :grin:

Otherwise, I wouldnt suggest change, unless you want to switch out ALOT of gear, as you've gone for the 125% fcr route, one that im a fan of, and if you switch out any rings, you'll lose your bp, so you can either keep your current gear or switch to...

Um'ed Homunculus
2x Soj/Bk

Lol, not so much gear after all, but the point is you have to either go homunculus with sojs or darkforce with fcr rings. Personally, if you feel your getting enough resists (thats what charms are for anyway) then keep with the 125% fcr, its definately worth it :smiley:

[bobofuzzlymunky]

i think, by the general publics response, ill go with infinity... although i just paid 5hrs for that pride :(

[magnusthescott]

iv'e got opne question for all of the summoners out here, whats with this CE craze its a "summoner"(dr. evil hand gesture) so why not use your summons to kill?

on the A1 faith merc/crushing blow deal, i haven't needed the CB yet and when i do for a boss or something(which is rare) just hop to A4 and resurect some urdars.

my gear may look poor but its practical without being rich.

ME

Tarnhelm(still looking for that shako)
fulldisciple
+3 all skills
80+resall
homonc
AoKL(isted)
2x P nags
ntorch
29 gheeds
some sc's
Naj's Puzzler switch(for repositioning)

end result max res in hell
223 mf
+11 all skills more to summoning and skelies




merc too poor for a faith right now
A1 Cold(slows bosses so you can keep a nice iron G with CB like an IK maul)

tals helm
duriels shell
Edge (gothic bow)
duriels


as of the moment he has no problems in hell makes frequent nihl key runs can do baal but no need right now

[ispankpigeons]

why would you pay higher for more ed%?

its for casters anyway, they don't need high defense. and with something like that, a difference of 4 or 5% ed is only like another plus 3 or 4 to defense.

thats not worth 3 more hrs.

[KavikKang]

what the heck, arachnids is going 3 hrs on east now?

i got my first one for a PUL rune, for christ sakes

Only 3? On US west they are 15-20 HRs... in other words, so expensive that you have to be a fool to buy one. They are totally not worth even half that, there are several very good belts.

[bogie]

Im going to have to agree with KavikKang on this, arach may be one da ubarz belt, but its definately not worth buying at its current price, I seem to have insane luck with arachs though...and im finding them like crazy, and then selling them to ppl who dont listen to my advice :P

[bobofuzzlymunky]

i just got the rest of my gear... so its-

Um'd Shako
22 Maras
993 Mage Enigma
39 Hoto
3-3-3 Um'd Darkforce
100%ed Arach
(No rings yet, still thinking)
Trang Gloves
Marrows

MERC-
29str/9LL Ral'd Andys
16aura/27psn dmg Bramble (WOOOO)
Eth Partizan Infinity

with this set up, i hit 110 fcr, question- should i go 2x fcr rings for 125%fcr or just use a soj/bk and a good allres/mana/str ring?