View Full Version : Barb vs Hdin, the complete perspective
Yeah so me and Mainaman decided to do a VERY quick ft5, while we both Fraps'ed the duels. So, without further adieu, and since Mainaman didnt want to post it, here you go.
Duel 1:
Barb:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkQf0A5erY
Pally:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awNTeswk29Q
Duel 2:
Barb:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9n7hudcoI
Pally:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMfmN_CmpgQ
Duel 3:
Barb:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32UOvTk6_i8
Pally:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970xZDdEYVE
Duel 4:
Barb:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX_7J0fliz4
Pally:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsC2EmnXhso
Duel 5
Barb:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUtm__KmEk
Pally:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pON7SRwGxU
Duel 6
Barb:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu-E_EfkbE4
Pally:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpU9cv70USQ
If I messed up and posted duplicate videos, let me know so I can sort that out for everyone.
mainaman
10-12-2006, 09:17
pretty interesting how the things look rather different from both points of view.
also one more time its clear that small lag can definetely mess up the performance of the barb.minor things such as delay on switch , leap instead of switch, leap instead of ww etc..
BlueDogAnchorite
10-12-2006, 14:07
It's pretty sweet to see it from both perspectives. :thumbsup:
Dennis_KoreanGuy
10-12-2006, 22:03
mania's probably a much more gosu bvc player than me, but I think you should try making shorter ww's and don't run around in small circles allowing the hdin to set hammerfield all around ya.
I assume you were usin fort? Never really got around to practice my old bvc, I still liked tele vs. hdin to escape hammertraps. -.-
mainaman
10-12-2006, 22:21
mania's probably a much more gosu bvc player than me, but I think you should try making shorter ww's and don't run around in small circles allowing the hdin to set hammerfield all around ya.
I assume you were usin fort? Never really got around to practice my old bvc, I still liked tele vs. hdin to escape hammertraps. -.-really i played suicidal here
earlier a vid of us 2 dueling was posted and the duel took like 1.5 min
these are 20 sec duels so pretty much nothing really special as far as dueling strategy on my part.
Noctis Reitop
14-12-2006, 01:44
Why were the barb vids removed?
mainaman
14-12-2006, 02:32
Why were the barb vids removed?why not? you can watch the pally vids its almost the same except slightly diff perspective+ barb laggin
Dennis_KoreanGuy
14-12-2006, 03:21
why not? you can watch the pally vids its almost the same except slightly diff perspective+ barb laggin
The whole point of this was the complete perspective?
really i played suicidal here
earlier a vid of us 2 dueling was posted and the duel took like 1.5 min
these are 20 sec duels so pretty much nothing really special as far as dueling strategy on my part.
Your barb's performance was very mediocre on the duels posted in this thread. Your other performances seemed better in other threads. Your excuse of short duels = no special strategies on ur part is a complete nonsense. Is that why the din beat you so bad, because he used his special strategies to beat you in "20 sec duels" while you didn't? Am I true thinking you were embarassed of your performance and didn't want to share em? Then you should've told box from the beginning you were uncomfortable with posting on dii. I have nothing against your skills as a BvC player. It just seems you know you sucked big in those duels but don't come out straight and say so. You keep referring to lag on barb's part, say its no special strategies, etc.
Feel free to pm / reply any comment about how you feel I judged you wrongly. Just don't say this was a friendly duel and you really didn't give a crap, because thats just crap. :wink2:
mainaman
14-12-2006, 05:55
The whole point of this was the complete perspective?
Your barb's performance was very mediocre on the duels posted in this thread. Your other performances seemed better in other threads. Your excuse of short duels = no special strategies on ur part is a complete nonsense. Is that why the din beat you so bad, because he used his special strategies to beat you in "20 sec duels" while you didn't? Am I true thinking you were embarassed of your performance and didn't want to share em? Then you should've told box from the beginning you were uncomfortable with posting on dii. I have nothing against your skills as a BvC player. It just seems you know you sucked big in those duels but don't come out straight and say so. You keep referring to lag on barb's part, say its no special strategies, etc.
Feel free to pm / reply any comment about how you feel I judged you wrongly. Just don't say this was a friendly duel and you really didn't give a crap, because thats just crap. :wink2:
The whole point of this was the complete perspective?
why were you thinking those were for e-pride or something?
I don't think i have to excuse myself of anything.If I was embarased by my performace i'd ask him not to post as he is my friend and i doubt hell refuse as he is not seeking to prove himself that he can beat me, neither he posted to embarass me. He beat me and thats it . I just dont understand whats your problem with that?
Also that thread was up for 2 days and when it went to pg2 i removed the vids , i wouldnt say thats in any way an attempt to hide anything ,and how could I when the pally vids are there and show everything...
Dennis, just shut the hell up. You really are retarded or something.
The whole idea came up cause I logged on d2 for the first time in weeks when Stef was on, and he had just gotten fraps working.
So we did 6 duels in prolly 6 minutes. There were no dueling strats on any side other than all out offense for the most part.
Barb vs hdin is a significant disadvantage for the barb MOST OF THE TIME, so why would I even bother posting if it was for e-pride? Oh gee, I beat a barb 5-1 with my hdin, im gosu.
These were friendly duels, and we did NOT give a crap. Deal with it.
TheRisingX
14-12-2006, 09:05
Whats with the PvP Forum guys....chill. =/
Dennis is just trying to say, he thinks your thread name "complete perspective" was very very interesting, up to until Maina destroyed his side of the "complete perspective."
I think most of us can tell if you were having fun or serious dueling anyway. Videos are enjoyable either way, most of us just wanted to see the differences in perspectives, once again. ^^
Whats with the PvP Forum guys....chill. =/
Dennis is just trying to say, he thinks your thread name "complete perspective" was very very interesting, up to until Maina destroyed his side of the "complete perspective."
I think most of us can tell if you were having fun or serious dueling anyway. Videos are enjoyable either way, most of us just wanted to see the differences in perspectives, once again. ^^
I can understand and appreciate this.
But Mainaman deleted his vids, cause this thread went to the 2nd page of the forum, so he figured everyone who had seen it had by now.
I wouldn't have jumped down his throat had he not started acting like a retard in the first place, making accusations and whatnot.
And don't worry, we will be making a new thread soon that will have both sides, and much better duels. Like by tomorrow it should be up.
I wouldn't say that a barb is at a disadvantage when duelling a hammer. I always like to camp near ditches and walls when duelling a hammer, in the open the hammer is free to desynch around you turning the advantage towards him.
Noctis Reitop
14-12-2006, 19:59
why not? you can watch the pally vids its almost the same except slightly diff perspective+ barb laggin
Well, for one, I'm a bvc player myself. I'd be able to compare my strategies against yours. I'd love to see what that pally was doing from the barb's point of view. I was really impressed to see that pally move around like that. I don't really think I've seen anything like that in a pub duel, unless he desync'ed enough to make it look different. I can't really know for sure. I was just looking for a way to guage how good the two of you are and if there're any tips I can pick up ^^. That and wondering the difference between what the pally was doing and whta the barb saw. I think that alone would help me duel pallies that like to charge around, and stuff =).
-Noctis
Well, unlike mcm's videos which were trying to show how to do stuff, mainaman's are random duels that have no purpose whatsoever. He is not at the same scale as mcm, thus making his videos only a bunch of showing off meaningless kills. Which I think counts as e-pride hunting, eh?
Also, I agree with others here with the comment that if the topic says "complete perspective", both of the videos should be present with no excuses. Otherwise it's not "full perspective".
But of course mainaman will either not replay to this or will reply with something "go get a life and get laid and learn some uni level maths before you do basic calculations"-babble that will be a pathetic attempt to making me feel anything for him.
Uncle_Mike
14-12-2006, 22:08
Well, unlike mcm's videos which were trying to show how to do stuff, mainaman's are random duels that have no purpose whatsoever. He is not at the same scale as mcm, thus making his videos only a bunch of showing off meaningless kills. Which I think counts as e-pride hunting, eh?
Also, I agree with others here with the comment that if the topic says "complete perspective", both of the videos should be present with no excuses. Otherwise it's not "full perspective".
But of course mainaman will either not replay to this or will reply with something "go get a life and get laid and learn some uni level maths before you do basic calculations"-babble that will be a pathetic attempt to making me feel anything for him.
well, you getting a life would be nice, or at least some perspective... What is this post then if not some e-pride attempt? it will get you none... He plays the game, you do not and you have been proven wrong many times already and are the only person to deny it...
These vids have shown a lot more than some of mcm's ones simply because you could see how it looks on a barb and the paladin and they were the first good example of desynch I've seen so far. Because you could see the paladin desynch and see how he desynches. This the best instruction I've seen so far in many ways and it's a shame the barb vids were removed.
What has mcm to do with it anyway? He might or might not be his scale, what difference does it make? You are not mcm either so why bring up names all the time? At least mcm was/is considered to be a top barb while you are clearly not and have never been.
Where does this ridiculous superiority come from? Who are you to judge? Go and howl some pub druids or goldfind with your "unique 400 gf wolfbarb" and stay away from these threads. People's answers "giggle you"? is that the definition of a troll? It sure is.
well, you getting a life would be nice, or at least some perspective... What is this post then if not some e-pride attempt? it will get you none... He plays the game, you do not and you have been proven wrong many times already and are the only person to deny it...
The only times that I've been "proven" wrong have been those where I've had a different opinion from the majority. So you are saying that individuality is bull****? So you are saying that everyone should just look, think and feel the same? If so, why the **** won't you go and create some damn robot society, since you to be such a super-intelligent individual who knows everything.
These vids have shown a lot more than some of mcm's ones simply because you could see how it looks on a barb and the paladin and they were the first good example of desynch I've seen so far. Because you could see the paladin desynch and see how he desynches. This the best instruction I've seen so far in many ways and it's a shame the barb vids were removed.
The paladin side of it does not matter for anyone who is playing a BvC except if they think that it will provide them with more knowledge about how the paladin's are likely to duel. In that case, you should rather read about it. Texts are always more accurate than any pictures.
And my main point was, why the hell make a "the complete perspective" thread if the barbarian videos ended up deleted? Why not title them "Hammerdin vs. BvC Z-X"? Kinda like KaythonXE titled one of his topics.
What has mcm to do with it anyway? He might or might not be his scale, what difference does it make? You are not mcm either so why bring up names all the time? At least mcm was/is considered to be a top barb while you are clearly not and have never been.
Mcm has always something to do if you are discussing BvCs because he is the person who developed the BvC into what it is today, so he is the most likely to know BvCs the best, so of course both his example and opinion on others' videos are important.
I've never said that I would be a top barbarian, you are simply picking up lines from other people. And it was mainaman who started it in the first place by saying that I'm a knowledgeable BvC player. After that blobswannabe turned that agaisnt of me by saying that I think so too, which I've clearly said that I do not necessarily. He even exaggerated it to the state where he thinks that I'm considered a top BvC on Europe which in turn is another reason for him to mock anything that's not on East or West. Blame them, not me. Please.
Where does this ridiculous superiority come from? Who are you to judge? Go and howl some pub druids or goldfind with your "unique 400 gf wolfbarb" and stay away from these threads. People's answers "giggle you"? is that the definition of a troll? It sure is.
Superiority? There's no superiority at all, you just get that impression from the posts, or by "reading between the lines", which are the two things you should avoid when reading my posts. You really think that I spend more than five minutes to write something like this? That in turn makes it so that there cannot possibly be any between-the-lines messages, since I do not necessarily feel anything when writing, except the fact that I just want to stop writing at any time, but I cannot do that or I would be considered to be "dodging" or something like that.
I clearly stated that I've not had the chance to duel the best druid on Europe, which might be enough of a reason for the howl thing to be totally false. It's just a thing that I like to use for the amusement. And no, rarely if ever does it kill me. Only if I use it while playing offensive or in a stupid place.
By the way, the Goldwolf is an old character of mine and I picked it because I do not have the time to make a totally new character nor do I care for it, since the barbarian is there only to provide gold for my BvC and gamble at random times. If I wanted to have masses of gold, of course I would improve the character a lot. And I plan to do so via getting 2* 450 GF swords, just need the 12 lems.
Peoples' answers make me "giggle" because they are indeed so meaningless and full of total hatred that it's funny how much they can feel for a simple bunch of letters, words, sentences and paragraphs on the Internet. Do you not find it amusing that people waste their precious emotions on something that won't benefit them at all, since the ultimate goal in everything is to make profit, right?
I am not a troll, I just have an opinion that differs from the majority, thus hooraying for individualism, which is something that I believe in. Everyone should be a single individual and choose their opinions not based on what is "right" and "wrong", but what they really think. Do you not agree?
mainaman
14-12-2006, 22:37
But of course mainaman will either not replay to this or will reply with something "go get a life and get laid and learn some uni level maths before you do basic calculations"-babble that will be a pathetic attempt to making me feel anything for him.you are wrong i will not reply with that
by typing this you one more time proved to everyone here that probably you deserve the attitude you are getting from many ppl.
Well, unlike mcm's videos which were trying to show how to do stuff, mainaman's are random duels that have no purpose whatsoever. He is not at the same scale as mcm, thus making his videos only a bunch of showing off meaningless kills. Which I think counts as e-pride hunting, eh? I haven't seen mcm post duels against good es sorc ,or telesmiter. And if i want to post and ask for advice , how is that in anyway related to trying to get e-pride?
I'm a knowledgeable BvC playeryou looked like one ,till we all realized all you can do is throw number to the left and to the right thats all from you so far , oh yes and correcting grammar, spelling arrors and teaching us your boring philosophy for things.
Troll less pls
Peoples' answers make me "giggle" because they are indeed so meaningless and full of total hatred that it's funny how much they can feel for a simple bunch of letters, words, sentences and paragraphs on the Internet. Do you not find it amusing that people waste their precious emotions on something that won't benefit them at all, since the ultimate goal in everything is to make profit, right?
O dear god.
Please I'm begging you. Reread your beforelast paragraph and really think it trough again.
I sincerly hope that the irony in it is not lost to any who read this
you are wrong i will not reply with that
by typing this you one more time proved to everyone here that probably you deserve the attitude you are getting from many ppl.
If we were on JSP, I would say "dodge more please" now, but since I am such a gentleman I will not say so. All I can say is that I pity you for not being able to accept an individual as what the individual is. Kinda like my maths history teacher who just today got mad on me for me speaking to myself during the lesson.
I haven't seen mcm post duels against good es sorc ,or telesmiter. And if i want to post and ask for advice , how is that in anyway related to trying to get e-pride?
Indeed, he missed quite a few of the harder classes mostly due to the timeline of the videos. The largest videospree was during 1.10. Now of course it would be nice to have a bunch of renewed videos that are on 1.11 to compare to the 1.10 ones.
Personally, mcm's videos taught me a few things. I wasn't sure of how tight the triwhirls should be, so I checked mcm's videos. I still enjoy watching them from time to time.
Troll less pls
Show your inferiority more by not being able accept an individual as what the individual is.
O dear god.
God of Death possibly?
Please I'm begging you. Reread your beforelast paragraph and really think it trough again.
I do not need to. I already discussed that issue with both my dad and my therapist and both agree with me on the statement that every single human being, except the very smallest babies are total selfish bastards who only look for profit from everything, be it emotional or physical, such as a feeling of superiority or money.
If we were on JSP, I would say "dodge more please" now, but since I am such a gentleman I will not say so. All I can say is that I pity you for not being able to accept an individual as what the individual is. Kinda like my maths history teacher who just today got mad on me for me speaking to myself during the lesson.
Indeed, he missed quite a few of the harder classes mostly due to the timeline of the videos. The largest videospree was during 1.10. Now of course it would be nice to have a bunch of renewed videos that are on 1.11 to compare to the 1.10 ones.
Personally, mcm's videos taught me a few things. I wasn't sure of how tight the triwhirls should be, so I checked mcm's videos. I still enjoy watching them from time to time.
Show your inferiority more by not being able accept an individual as what the individual is.
God of Death possibly?
I do not need to. I already discussed that issue with both my dad and my therapist and both agree with me on the statement that every single human being, except the very smallest babies are total selfish bastards who only look for profit from everything, be it emotional or physical, such as a feeling of superiority or money.
You paid a therapist to talk thing through right?
Hmm, these boards arent for that, esp not the pvp forum.
My point was, yes every human is a greedy basterd inside... I just hide it better then some others.
akumaxyz
14-12-2006, 22:50
ignore this guy, he is even worst than people on jsp lol,atleast some on jsp are actually funny.
You paid a therapist to talk thing through right?
Sorry, I or my dad has never handled in any money for that person. At first it was arranged by my school's head due to a few incidents in school, mainly the fact that my temperament was making everyone from the students to the teachers feel bad.
Plus I haven't seen him since last summer. This is mainly due to my schedule being pretty tight (40 hours of school per week).
Hmm, these boards arent for that, esp not the pvp forum.
Might be so, but you started it off by mentioning superiority. Blame yourself.
My point was, yes every human is a greedy basterd inside... I just hide it better then some others.
Of course, of course. So indeed, you do agree with me. I never want to hide anything, or well, let me think for five seconds ... 1,2,3,4,5; myself. I hide my "self" pretty well from everyone around me. There's not a single person who would know the "real" me. Isn't that funny? And hell, I cannot even lie without feeling extremely bad. And I can only lie when I know that the lie is not 100% untrue.
And as you might've realized by now, I do talk pretty bluntly. That's just how I am and that's why most people dislike me: I talk bluntly, harshly and I'm honest. Thus if you ask me a question like "How do I look?" and are expecting for a good answer, you would be pretty disappointed.
Also, it seems that I and the people around me recognize a total of nine of the twenty symptoms of ADHD. However, I've never had a positive diagnosis of ADHD. I wonder ..
However, enough of this babble.
To say the truth, I would like to see mainaman perform some demos on triwhirls and duel several opponents, mainly bonemancers though, since most other duels are boring. Or well, Windies and Bonemancers. Rest are pretty booring.
Woa.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Your the one with the superiority complex IIRC.
I on the other just know for a fact im better then you.
EDIT: I somehow doubted you'd get what I meant with this reply so I made this [LOOK IN THE MIRROR] tag.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Your the one with the superiority complex IIRC.
Wrong. I actually have a constant feeling of inferiority. My dad wants me to be one of the top of the class, and the only grades that I can get to be good enough for him to be happy are English (10), Religion (10) and Biology (9). Note it's on a scale of 4-10, 10 being perfect-ish whereas 4 is failed. Oh, and most of my classmates are superior to me in every aspect except English. I'm in a maths emphasized high school line, yet I'm starting to feel a certain negative feeling towards maths and some teachers. Then I'm of course feeling inferior because I cannot make any proper relationships, I just end up being kicked (got a really nice red mark on my left leg due to a guy kicking me with army-ish shoes), ignored and laughed upon.
I on the other just know for a fact im better then you.
Prove me that it's a fact. And I want you to show me that you are superior to me physically, mentally, in school and whatnot. Just for the heck of it, since I know you will ignore it and that will give me another reason to giggle.
EDIT: I somehow doubted you'd get what I meant with this reply so I made this [LOOK IN THE MIRROR] tag.
Sorry, I do not like my image in the mirror. I have no physical qualities whatsoever, my hair is messed, I'm wearing glasses that lack style, my way of dressing is something between classy and a wannabe. I wish I could dress in a way that I would look cool and like it myself too. But I guess that's impossible, since I would love to wear those cool shoes you wear with suits. But that would get a lot of odd looks. Also, I would like to wear a necktie in school, but that would also get a lot of odd looks, since there's no uniform in our school and a dark blue tie and a black shirt do not match.
Take this thread to the OTF forum.
Trust me, you'll get more symphaty there. If you would've just managed to put your words in a slightly more social way, ppl might actually not dislike you here.
PS:
Do you really want to compare our acadamic careers?
If so, pm me about it.
Take this thread to the OTF forum.
Trust me, you'll get more symphaty there. If you would've just managed to put your words in a slightly more social way, ppl might actually not dislike you here.
I dislike the OTF. And I doubt you would last long in a discussion like this anyways. No offense meant of course. It's just so totally meaningless waste of time full of +1's, hatred and whatnot.
A social way? What do you exactly mean with that? You should know from my characteristics that I'm bad with any interaction with other humans.
Do you really want to compare our acadamic careers?
Wow, you actually took it seriously. That's so cool, really.
And no, I would not like to compare anything, since by average, I'm only average and my studies are only high school first-year level so it would be both too one-sided and pointless.
However, you seem like a graduate from a top-notch university, mentioning a word like "academic career", acting so cool. Taking that into account, I think you should've realized by now that I'm just what the society considers a kid. If you are so superior, why would you ever bother with a kid like me, unless you have a greater purpose?
I've been in the otf for about 6months now.
social way:... not active going for hurting ppl? rational thinking perhaps?
social way:... not active going for hurting ppl? rational thinking perhaps?
Rational thinking? So you are saying my way of thinking makes no sense? Please tell me why so.
I am not "hurting people", I am being myself. I'm being honest. Is that wrong? Is it wrong to say what I think without lying? Do you really think so?
..
That is the way you chose to interpret my words.
You dont have to hurt ppl. You can be damned honest without...hurting people.
Rational thinking is good and well.. but apply it to rl.
..You dont have to hurt ppl. You can be damned honest without...hurting people.
But if you have a person that does not look beautiful asking how does she look, what will you answer? Will you hurt her by telling the truth or would you rather lie? I'm not the kind of a guy to lie in such a situation as what other's think of me is not important to me, really.
Rational thinking is good and well.. but apply it to rl.
Well, so suddenly my way of thinking does make sense? I think with "Ration thinking, perhaps?" you were saying that my statements lack rational thinking, thus they would make no sense. So, which is it?
Thoridian
14-12-2006, 23:36
ignore this guy, he is even worst than people on jsp lol,atleast some on jsp are actually funny.
LOL
10 chars...
Arbedark
15-12-2006, 00:07
Rabbi, WHY OH WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS SACRED DID YOU GIVE OLBA THE ATTENTION HE'S BEEN CRAVING FOR SO LONG NOW!?!?
Don't you know if you feed an animal it will just keep coming back?
I'm disappointed in you.
Don't you know if you feed an animal it will just keep coming back?
But the bird that was once hurt will always fly away.
Are you possibly saying that I'm as primal as animals? Now that's a downright insult...
I'm disappointed in you.
It's not like you would really matter to him or anyone except yourself. Or well, you might provide something emotional for some people around of you, but that's it.
Rabbi, WHY OH WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS SACRED DID YOU GIVE OLBA THE ATTENTION HE'S BEEN CRAVING FOR SO LONG NOW!?!?
Don't you know if you feed an animal it will just keep coming back?
I'm disappointed in you.
He didnt get it :(
Ok, but lets cut the ot now though ;/
XDoomasX
15-12-2006, 11:11
Lets get back to topic shall we?
I never seen mcm fighting good desynch hammerdins so these vids were interesting.
There was some mistakes done by mainman, and I actualy think that enigma is more usefull against desynch pallys: teleport + ww in that direction where pally charges, or random tele away + ww if hammerdin is invisible.
With fort you can be easly trapped in hammer fields.
Just my 2 cents.
And I personally like when I run faster, and be able to tele when needed. But, I'll
prolly buy new forti to stash in few days.
Lets get back to topic shall we?
I never seen mcm fighting good desynch hammerdins so these vids were interesting.
There was some mistakes done by mainman, and I actualy think that enigma is more usefull against desynch pallys: teleport + ww in that direction where pally charges, or random tele away + ww if hammerdin is invisible.
With fort you can be easly trapped in hammer fields.
Just my 2 cents.
in my experiences fort is good only vs those hamers who
1)tele on u
2)standing in 1 place
3)bad desycher
stuslegend
15-12-2006, 21:22
why does every thread have to turn into ce olba and his personal life.....
anyways ON TOPIC HERE
barb should be doing longer ww's and aim them ahead the pallys position, also more widow action to OW him
but all in all, since there was a limited time; good duels
hmmz u guy done with the ot messages?
Anyway i wanted to see the barbs point of view after all the name of the thread states "complete perspective" also no i preffer forti vs hammerdins its always worked for me.
And yeah Mania was pretty reckless in the duels although the hammer seem to be playing rite, i don't know if this was a muck about duel or a proper one.
Imbecile
16-12-2006, 15:19
hmmz u guy done with the ot messages?
Anyway i wanted to see the barbs point of view after all the name of the thread states "complete perspective" also no i preffer forti vs hammerdins its always worked for me.
And yeah Mania was pretty reckless in the duels although the hammer seem to be playing rite, i don't know if this was a muck about duel or a proper one.
Since you have problems reading YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGES.. COME ONLINE NOOB
Bulgarian
17-12-2006, 08:41
By the time I got the chance to look at these videos where youtube isnt blocked, mainiman took out his part. :(
Just wondering, why did you take them out?
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