"Official" PvP Rules?

[MaStAViC]

Hey, Everyone,
How's it going? I have been on hiatus from D2 for over four years, but just got back into the game about a month ago. I want to jump back in PvP, where I am the most comfortable when it comes to D2. I am looking for "official" honorable PvP rules, but cannot seem to find any. Back when I played in 1.09, I was part of Clan Honor and 76 Legit, two Diabloii.net-affiliated PvP circles, and am wondering if such a thing is still around.

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
-=MaStA ViC

[Rabbitz]

No such thing.

There are different rules each game you join. For me, when im playing in privates I follow certain basics. It all comes down to.. dont do to other what you dont want others to do to you.

[MaStAViC]

Thanks for the reply, Rabbitz. I'm interested in a few factors, such as charges, poison, and slow target. The honorable dueling circles I were in did not allow slow target items, had a certain restriction on how much poison could be used from charms, and that the charges on items cannot be used at all. Can someone let me know about these things and other such things?

Thank you,
-=MaStA ViC

[Rabbitz]

I myself see no problem in poison use. No real point either but meh.

Slow, while its erm.. not nice, its still acceptable. Just dont go braggin about killing someone with 2k% slow.

Charges, well it differs, just ask the person youre about to duel how they feel about it.

[TheBe]

I don't see reason why poison couldn't be used.

But about that charse thing.. It depends on what char you are dueling and what charges you use.

(Example ww barb who uses Lifetap wand etc vs summon necro is pretty nasty)

[mainaman]

I don't see reason why poison couldn't be used.

But about that charse thing.. It depends on what char you are dueling and what charges you use.

(Example ww barb who uses Lifetap wand etc vs summon necro is pretty nasty)
only reason barb will use life tap vs summoner is if the barb was im'd by the summoner. else no life tap is needed to duel such necros.
anyway on the topic
poison is not considered bm , with few exceptions of ppl that for the sake of efficiency don't have maxed resists.
slow is bm although i have never seen a dueler using much of it, usualy arachnd is the only source ,and in bm duels clegs/holy freeze.
about the charges, usualy ,revives, wolves, are consiered bm, only thing that can be summoned, upon mutual agreement as far as i know is oak sage.

[mclarke]

on europe in pub games its usually on the lines of:
no nk
no goldsteal (unless theres idiot in game then its normal to kill him several time steal gold and gamble it (thats what i do :D))
No %slows target if ur melee (arach usually allowed cos minor)
as far as i can tell you arn't supposed to use summoned units which do not belong to your character class (eg oak sage or "skill charges") but i still see a few abusers
slow missiles on zon..
vigor + charge is used far too often any people who have had it used on them think its lame but the users of it usually believe it isnt lame... kinda annoying ^^

[Karp]

Things have gotten more relaxed since 1.11 hit.

But generally, in most good manners dueling circles, slow, poison not from a skill, nk, town guard and jumping without a go are the main ones.

[bogie]

I personally dont see a problem with revives, revives given from charges, maybe, but who really uses those obscure items in duels anyways? Summoning necros get pinned with being bm the most, but I just cant see how an ENTIRE TREE can be bm...

But really, the only real bm things that I see are widely accepted as "bm" are...
1) Massive sorb combined with 90+ resist all
2) Massive %slow on melee targets
3) Goldsteal (w/o due cause)
4) Nking(w/o due cause)
5) Use of summoned charges
6) Use of Lifetap charges
7) Use of Iron Maiden (or charges)

That pretty much covers the basics, you'll also meet up with guys who will say that either all spirits are bm, all summoned creatures are bm, or that various things are bm etc, and these ppl you can just ignore, and instead of the traditional view of just leaving the game... I opt for killing them again and again until THEY leave the game in disgust/get better char.

[MaStAViC]

I go by these rules:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=5171101&f=268
I like those rules, and they are incredibly similar to the ones that I used to go by back in 1.09.

Thanks for posting that! There's a chance that the link may be removed, so I just wanted to post the information here:
Rules

General

- No hacks of any kind. (Yes, maphack is banned, if caught using maphack, you will get kicked/banned from ladder)
- No healing potions/shrines
- No charges from items (lt, slow missile, amp dmg, oak etc.)
- No prebuff (ie. you have to choose between memory/cta for sorc)
- After you have bo'ed and cast es etc. you cannot go into stash. That is an instant loss.
- No mercenaries, no nk, no badmannering any kind.
- Dodge limit is 3 days
- You can only challenge a person 1 or 2 spots ahead of you.
- Duels are first to 3 or 5 (Challenger will have last word on this).
- Game must be played on nightmare.
- Only one account is allowed on this ladder.
- Challenger must pm challenged for duel on jsp, challenged must answer.
- If both agree on the result of the duel, no screens needed. Take them just in case though.
- Map must be cleared of all monsters.
- Duel starts when _both_ of the players have said ".go" (notice the dot).
- Inventory must be full.
- If a player is requested to show screen of his/her belt or inventory and/or map, it must be done asap with /time visible. No going into stash. Minimap must be visible. Screen can be posted here or sent by pm.
- If a player is requested to show equipment, it must be done asap without going in to stash.
- If player drops from a game when screenshot or inventory check is requested, that counts as an automatic loss to the player.
- Rejoining the game only because of charge bug, anya bug or some other good reason is allowed.
- Replenish life is capped at 20. Except Paladins can use 33 repl life against Druids.
- If #19 or #20 is challenged by a non-ladder player and he loses, he will drop out of the ladder.
- You need to wait 24 hours before dueling the same opponent again

Absorb/Res rules

- When dueling trapper, hybrid, java, litsorc or firesorc, maximum absorb is 20% OR +10% maxres (tg is allowed even it has +10%maxres and 20abs).
- When dueling against blizzard sorc, you are allowed to use 20% absorb + maximum of 240% stacked resist. (NW is not counted as abs)
- When dueling against orb sorc, you are allowed to use 20% absorb + maximum of 180% stacked resist. (NW is not counted as abs)
- When you are facing for example fire sorc you don't have to worry that you got too much cold abs or stack etc.

Class-specific rules

Necromancer:
- Necromancer may not use the skills bone prison, bone wall, revive, decrepify, iron maiden.
- May not use firegolem against fire sorceress.

Assassin:
- Assassin using dual claws:
May use only 5% maxres or 10% abs vs fire or light sorc
May use 1 raven + 200% stack resis vs blizz sorc
May use 1 raven + 150% stack resis vs orb sorc

Paladin:
- Paladin may not use any auras that replenish life (prayer, meditation and cleansing if you skilled prayer)

Druid:
- When druid is dueling any pure melee character, duels are held at normal difficulty.
- Druid facing FoH: No wolves allowed.
- You can't use absorb or maxres with Cyclone, except vs assassins normal absorb rules apply.

Sorceress:
- You can't use absorb or maxres with ES.

Restricted/banned items

- Exile, Draculs, Laswish (only banned if you can cast lifetap with your attack)
- Doom (note: only when dueling against melee char or a trapper. vs other chars, doom is allowed)
- Rising Sun
- Griswold helm
- Blackoak shield
- Hotspurs

-=MaStA ViC

[JudasXPriest]

"rules" really depend on the person. I LLD classic, and i usually go by the rules:
1. No Pots Of ANY Kind, Except Mana. (I NK for Pot use)
2. Town = Loss (after Duel starts)
3. Gold Steal is Fine (the way i see it, if your willing to duel, your willing to lose your gold, if you dont wanna lose it, Xfer it to a diff char)
4. No NK unless you are NKed first (or enemy pots)
5. No excuses , always "gg" when someone loses.
this isnt really a rule, but i always offer my opponenet a chance for them to grab a higher level char if thier noobie char cant handle my 12. ;)

also i always encourage 2v1-3v1-4v1-etc. (depending on who it is, and what level they are) because nothings better than raping 5 level 2x kids with a level 12 lol... best is when they pot.

but like i said... depends on the person... if someone doesnt see things your way.. make them. :)

[mephiztophelez]

on the goldsteal front: don't take gold into a duelling game.

if someone drops 300k gold, i'm gonna gamble it off. someone drops 20k gold, theres suddenly a lot of mana pots by akara.

[SicHalo]

rules meh...

When ur in a pub rules don't really exist...

U can follow basics but this usally changes when a noob joins the pub game.

Also some things i think are bm but if they can do it to me i can do it back.

[Barrynor]

Go play hardcore Vic... if you die, you loose ^_^

[imjackiechan]

Thanks for the reply, Rabbitz. I'm interested in a few factors, such as charges, poison, and slow target.
Thank you,
-=MaStA ViC
kk let me telly you. If your good enough to be officialing then u dont have to worry about poison necros. But i mean if its like a barb like that other guy said than ya theres a big problem

[Quietus]

I keep a relatively lax view of "rules", as I recognize there are none. In 1v1, I find it cheap it someone sucks a full juvie, but if they do, I just consider it to be two wins for me. If someone has to stack stupid amounts of absorb/resist/whatever to negate my attack, I consider that to be a win for me against that character in all subsequent duels, as they couldn't fight me without forcing me to stop using something... I usually still have a half decent chance, though, as I only make hybrids.

No skills are out of the question, no rules on taking gold/potions, though I will leave them until they start taking mine. I just gamble my coins off before I duel, no problem.

As for people who think that you should say "gg" or "gd" after every duel... I don't bother. Saying it after every duel is just annoying. Not every duel is a good one. I've had people get annoyed with me because I refused to say "gd" when I was killing them within 30 seconds of the duels starting every time. If you give me a run for my money, then yeah, once we're finished dueling I'll give you credit where credit is due. If you can't even hold a candle to me, then sorry, I'm not going to tell you that they were good duels.

[HappyAssassin]

Say "gg" if was really a good game. I also tend to say "gg" to someone who I beat consistantly, but who keeps trying and trying different stuff.

As for rules:
Don't NK unless NKd
Don't use juvies (this is a personnal choice for me, I don't like BM dueling, some people love it)
Don't overabsorb unless NKd
Don't be verbally abusive (this never gets followed by 90% of bnet, but worth trying)
Don't use play enhancing hacks (maphack or nightlight is fine, gmod is really pushing it, autoaim or flashhack I usually just leave the game)

[jesterlolz]

If someone has to stack stupid amounts of absorb/resist/whatever to negate my attack, I consider that to be a win for me

Personally I feel no problem with large amounts of res, however, if somebody uses massive sorb in conjunction with massive resist, it can get a tad annoying (I hate it when my traps/nova makes people gain life :undecided: . As for saying gg, it truthfully usually has to do with the mood I'm in. I always appreciate it though, when somebody better than me says "gg". Usually if I have a duel that goes on for a LONG time, like a minute or over, I like saying GG in capitals :grin: . It's not really bad manners to not say it, but it can make dueling more fun, and can sometimes raise morale in pubs.

[BaseWolf]

on europe in pub games its usually on the lines of:
no nk
no goldsteal (unless theres idiot in game then its normal to kill him several time steal gold and gamble it (thats what i do :D))
No %slows target if ur melee (arach usually allowed cos minor)
as far as i can tell you arn't supposed to use summoned units which do not belong to your character class (eg oak sage or "skill charges") but i still see a few abusers
slow missiles on zon..
vigor + charge is used far too often any people who have had it used on them think its lame but the users of it usually believe it isnt lame... kinda annoying ^^

Ehhh.. where are you dueling? Every duel game i've been in they : Nk (alot -.-), they steal your gold.. (always), All skills are legit.. (exept when YOU use them -.-), vigor+charge=the best/most legit/not noobish thing to do (exept when you do it ofc)
So i think it depends on the game and who you are dueling with..

[mephiztophelez]

Don't use play enhancing hacks (maphack or nightlight is fine, gmod is really pushing it, autoaim or flashhack I usually just leave the game)
NO.

here i disagree with you.

NO HAX. feel free to NK, BM and otherwise torment ANYONE useing any hack (including farcast, AA, etc) in a duelling game.

i also refuse to open the trade screen in duelling games.

[HappyAssassin]

Personnaly I don't use hacks, or unperms for that matter (there was a brief time when I did, mostly because my perms were so bad), but I don't avoid dueling people who do. I assume you don't open the trade screen to avoid perming people.

I literally won't duel people who use flashhack, I just leave. That's gotta be the most annoying hack in D2. At least when you kill an autoaimer the AA stops working (insofaras they can't hurt you with it).

[mephiztophelez]

Personnaly I don't use hacks, or unperms for that matter
me neither. all my gear should survive an active ruststorm too :cool:
but I don't avoid dueling people who do.
i don't 'avoid' duelling people with unperms, they're everywhere.
I assume you don't open the trade screen to avoid perming people.
bingo. i won't help 'em keep their duped godly crap.

[Rabbitz]

I literally won't duel people who use flashhack, I just leave. That's gotta be the most annoying hack in D2. At least when you kill an autoaimer the AA stops working (insofaras they can't hurt you with it).

Flash hack isnt so bad, its annoying but .. its not like there getting this huge advantange :/

[mephiztophelez]

Flash hack isnt so bad, its annoying but .. its not like there getting this huge advantange :/

use of ANY hack in a duel is plain BM and rude.

[Rabbitz]

use of ANY hack in a duel is plain BM and rude.

I know. But its not like they gain godmode, you can still kill them, most even gm.