View Full Version : Some BvC vs tele smiter/druid dueling videos here
mainaman
08-12-2006, 19:44
Me vs tele smiter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
and against ele druid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8wTam3HiNc
criticism and suggestions are welcomed
Did that druid have any block? Lol. He was kinda crappy imo.
Dunno about telesmite, as I never tried it, but looks nice. That must have been a boring duel on your side, nothing spectacular apart from ww all the time :P
cheers
mainaman
08-12-2006, 20:07
Did that druid have any block? Lol. He was kinda crappy imo.
Dunno about telesmite, as I never tried it, but looks nice. That must have been a boring duel on your side, nothing spectacular apart from ww all the time :P
cheers
yes the druid isn't good and he is vita 163/99. its not good duels but i decided to post it anyway :tongue:
as far as the duel against the smiter, its not exactly ww away all the time. as you can see he was able to tele in front of me many times and smite me.
I can say that it looks like i need to make just a little bit shorter ww's so i change direction faster.
RetroStar
08-12-2006, 20:15
Why does the smiter keep teleing ontop of you even though he knows you'll just keep whirling.
I do it with my smiter alot, but just when I know the barb is crappy :/
blobswannabe
08-12-2006, 20:27
Me vs tele smiter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXdeAOeO9I
and against ele druid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8wTam3HiNc
criticism and suggestions are welcomed
Be more random with your ww directions, shorters wws. Also don't click behind him when he teles near you so you don't ww through him. As long as you don't ww right through him you should be able to win without hardly losing any life. If you ww too long it's easy for the smiter to predict you and tele in front of your ww path.
Telezerk > vita druids. Although it does take a lot of practice. Or you can take the easy route by using lots of life leech. (I mean against good druids if you are dueling in nm) Against crappy ones like the guy in the video you can just do whatever and win.
mainaman
08-12-2006, 20:34
Be more random with your ww directions, shorters wws. Also don't click behind him when he teles near you so you don't ww through him. As long as you don't ww right through him you should be able to win without hardly losing any life. If you ww too long it's easy for the smiter to predict you and tele in front of your ww path.
Telezerk > vita druids. Although it does take a lot of practice. Or you can take the easy route by using lots of life leech. (I mean against good druids if you are dueling in nm) Against crappy ones like the guy in the video you can just do whatever and win.
about the vs smiter duel yes as i posted several posts above shorter ww's definitely will help me do better.
as for the druid i don't really have anyone to practice with ,and as i dont use alot of ll on this barb im basically dueling the hardest way possible.
I have to admit im not sure how to tele zerk correctly. what happens is i tele and then insted zerking the oponent i strat walking , its either miss click or i don't do it right, any advice on that?
about the vs smiter duel yes as i posted several posts above shorter ww's definitely will help me do better.
as for the druid i don't really have anyone to practice with ,and as i dont use alot of ll on this barb im basically dueling the hardest way possible.
I have to admit im not sure how to tele zerk correctly. what happens is i tele and then insted zerking the oponent i strat walking , its either miss click or i don't do it right, any advice on that?
Are you ladder? Once I get better connection and get back to pvp, my windy would like to duel you :cool:
If non ladder...duh, we can do it after the reset :wink3:
mainaman
08-12-2006, 21:45
Are you ladder? Once I get better connection and get back to pvp, my windy would like to duel you :cool:
If non ladder...duh, we can do it after the reset :wink3:east ladder
east ladder
Ofc, I forgot about the realm. :banghead:
Europe ladder here :lipsrsealed:
Too bad, I like to duel good bvc's...
There are about 4-5 great bvc's on ladder I know of now ^^
mainaman
08-12-2006, 21:53
Ofc, I forgot about the realm. :banghead:
Europe ladder here :lipsrsealed:
Too bad, I like to duel good bvc's...moonlike here (well he got banned but you can pm him on jsp with same acc) . probablly there is several more euro ladder players that post on this forum.
None on this forum that still duel.
moonlike here (well he got banned but you can pm him on jsp with same acc) . probablly there is several more euro ladder players that post on this forum.
Dueled moonlike already. He wore forti on his bvc back then, but it was still fun :smiley:
His bvc is fully equiped now. He's playing a ghetto assasin atm.
Dennis_KoreanGuy
08-12-2006, 22:05
Crappy druid, if he knows he's nonblock he should be a bit more defensive.
Good job though, you handled both as a bvc should, though maybe could follow blob's suggestions. Never tried tele zerking myself. -.-
please, pleeeeeeeeeeeease, add music to your video! Windows Movie Maker does a good job of it.
blobswannabe
08-12-2006, 22:50
about the vs smiter duel yes as i posted several posts above shorter ww's definitely will help me do better.
as for the druid i don't really have anyone to practice with ,and as i dont use alot of ll on this barb im basically dueling the hardest way possible.
I have to admit im not sure how to tele zerk correctly. what happens is i tele and then insted zerking the oponent i strat walking , its either miss click or i don't do it right, any advice on that?
I talked about telezerk in my telesmiter guide. it's pretty easy once you get the hang of it.
Windy without block is no match for a bvc.
I'd love to see some video vs a good max block windy though.
Astronomuse
09-12-2006, 01:39
Echoing jake007. I do not know whether it is europe-specific, but the wind druids here seem to be built stone hard, with builds that can reach over 7k life with max block. Dueling them with a barb requires a sense of patience and strategical know-how that I, for one, haven't been able to fully figure out by myself.
On a related note: elmek, feel free to pm me for bvc vs windy duels in the future (Europe Ladder). :wink3:
Echoing jake007. I do not know whether it is europe-specific, but the wind druids here seem to be built stone hard, with builds that can reach over 7k life with max block. Dueling them with a barb requires a sense of patience and strategical know-how that I, for one, haven't been able to fully figure out by myself.
On a related note: elmek, feel free to pm me for bvc vs windy duels in the future (Europe Ladder). :wink3:
I can't imagine 7k life with max block and still being capable of good fcr/fhr/dr etc. Most I've managed while still being fairly well-rounded build is 6.4k at 95 (granted it's 174 fhr; if I dropped to 99 I could reach more, but that alone isn't a 600 life difference...) -_-. Care to give insight into this 7k life mb build?
mainaman
09-12-2006, 06:32
I can't imagine 7k life with max block and still being capable of good fcr/fhr/dr etc. Most I've managed while still being fairly well-rounded build is 6.4k at 95 (granted it's 174 fhr; if I dropped to 99 I could reach more, but that alone isn't a 600 life difference...) -_-. Care to give insight into this 7k life mb build?
Jairo when will you be ready with your drood?
here is another vid , vs Modem 9x% es(5.5k mana) orber . He also has 142 fhr so my leap barely touched him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVq3kjsPASY
You should use /nopickup so you don't accidentally try to pick up something during the duel.
mainaman
09-12-2006, 06:45
You should use /nopickup so you don't accidentally try to pick up something during the duel.
yes mcm pointed that out too . i always forget , heh
anyway any comments on the duel with the orber?
Well 142 FHR is pretty weird for an orber, but even with 2x ravens [which is what I'm guessing you had], you shouldn't be sitting in one spot for too long. He seemed really random and tele-happy, so trying long tele WW's in some random direction wouldn't hurt.
Even with 142% FHR, leap is still going to be annoying for the sorc to fire off constant orbs, so you should still be leaping around.
mainaman
09-12-2006, 06:57
Well 142 FHR is pretty weird for an orber, but even with 2x ravens [which is what I'm guessing you had], you shouldn't be sitting in one spot for too long. He seemed really random and tele-happy, so trying long tele WW's in some random direction wouldn't hurt.
Even with 142% FHR, leap is still going to be annoying for the sorc to fire off constant orbs, so you should still be leaping around.actually the reason i was sittin in almost one spot is the unsummon nl i was trying to pull off all the time,i pretty much don't use unsummon locks at all as you can tell from my slopyness.
The previos duels nl tele ww didnt work well , but only one duel which i didnt frap, because of lag .
Yes i used 2 ravens else it was a lost cause , but then again he used a bunch of bmanas...
In team duels he was very unhappy about my leap, i am guessing some minor lag was the reason i couldn't effectively do the standard sequence of moves.
blobswannabe
09-12-2006, 07:54
actually the reason i was sittin in almost one spot is the unsummon nl i was trying to pull off all the time,i pretty much don't use unsummon locks at all as you can tell from my slopyness.
The previos duels nl tele ww didnt work well , but only one duel which i didnt frap, because of lag .
Yes i used 2 ravens else it was a lost cause , but then again he used a bunch of bmanas...
In team duels he was very unhappy about my leap, i am guessing some minor lag was the reason i couldn't effectively do the standard sequence of moves.
Just use an ow/poison setup and es sorcs shouldn't be a problem. Also it seems that you get black screen everytime you tele ww LOL.
mainaman
09-12-2006, 07:58
Just use an ow/poison setup and es sorcs shouldn't be a problem. Also it seems that you get black screen everytime you tele ww LOL.
game was somewhat laggy i was able to kill him only once with tele -ww's but unfortunately wasnt fraping then:sad2:
i was using dracks/grief /beast gores -enough ow as the guy i dueled mentioned several times.
Nobody said anything bout the music ...
mainaman
10-12-2006, 03:49
and here is nother bmanas sorc considered one of the top svs and sva on east atm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTlpvKVNkY
he has 5k mana 200 fcr,45 dr.
How much faster cast rate do you have and what items give it?
mainaman
10-12-2006, 06:37
How much faster cast rate do you have and what items give it?
for this duel 63 fcr
2 fcr rings+arach+griffon
Not close to being done with a vs-all build (still gathering mass 20/11's and a better ring :/) but one more ele lifer should be enough and it'll be ready to test out =D
Not close to being done with a vs-all build (still gathering mass 20/11's and a better ring :/) but one more ele lifer should be enough and it'll be ready to test out =D
What kind of ring? My brother has a line on a 10 fcr, 20 str, 8 dex, 23 cr ring for like 250 fg.
What kind of ring? My brother has a line on a 10 fcr, 20 str, 8 dex, 23 cr ring for like 250 fg.
I need fcr, life, and fire res. Dex, mana, and light res are a major + though.
Currently have a c/o on a 10Fcr-80Ar-20Str-39Life-11ResAll-37FireRes ring =/. If I get it I'll be quite happy.
blobswannabe
10-12-2006, 09:37
and here is nother bmanas sorc considered one of the top svs and sva on east atm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTlpvKVNkY
he has 5k mana 200 fcr,45 dr.
25 fps LOL that's worse than my computer. also that sorc doesn't seem to have much block which makes her easy pray for tele frenzy.
Ofc, I forgot about the realm. :banghead:
Europe ladder here :lipsrsealed:
Too bad, I like to duel good bvc's...
you are more then welcome to duel my 9k hammerdin eu ld:)
@ Zaczku
Hmm, mind dueling my hybrid assa to?
@ Zaczku
Hmm, mind dueling my hybrid assa to?
sure why not.
contact me @ *rabbi-sov or *rabby-sov later today :) ( or tommorow afternoon)
contact me @ *rabbi-sov or *rabby-sov later today :) ( or tommorow afternoon)
ill wisp you tommorow afternoon:)
*nm-zac or *zaczku i should be online on one of those acc's.
On a related note: elmek, feel free to pm me for bvc vs windy duels in the future (Europe Ladder). :wink3:
you are more then welcome to duel my 9k hammerdin eu ld:)
My druid has only 5,6k life, but fooking forward to duel you guys.
Hammerdins and BvC's is what I like :cool:
Once I'll be online, it'll be *elmek-sov
Let's see.
The es/lightning sorc: I saw you Leaping way too much. You wasted time leaping when your opponent wasn't even on your map. That's a pretty mistake.
The Windy: I think you were playing a bit too suicidal at times. I saw you teleport into a ton of nados and Leaping while on top of the druid. You shouldn't do either of those. I remember when you asked about the howling tactic that I've spoken of. You could've tried that. Makes wolves useless. Plus it makes oak way easier to kill and enables way easier unsummon namelocks due to the summons wondering off-screen. And the unsummon namelocks in turn help you catch the druid off-guard when he is re-summoning or playing defensive. And yes, the druid did play very offensive considering no block.
The Telesmiter: I have to agree here that your whirlwinds seemed pretty easy to predict. Judging from that the telesmiter wasn't so good, always namelocking or teleporting behind of you instead of ahead or the sides. Nothing much to say here. Also, running versus a telesmiter can end up in a quick death.
The ES/Orber: Again, you leaped when your opponent wasn't even on your map. Also, you were trying unsummon namelock too much. If you do it that often, a) you will end up messing up a lot b) you will end up dead because of such a predictable dueling style. Also, it seems that you are not so good with unsummon so you shouldn't be using it that much. Also, the fact that you rarely leaped before telewhirling. And I personally think that you played a bit too defensive, allowing the sorc to spam you with orbs most of the time. With a little less luck, you would've been the one to die.
mainaman
10-12-2006, 14:30
25 fps LOL that's worse than my computer. also that sorc doesn't seem to have much block which makes her easy pray for tele frenzy.
25 fps is the videorendering rate not the game fps , i believe
d2 plays 25 fps which is what the eye need to see so the iage is smooth (well its 24 actually),and the usual 60 fps that we are used to see are excessive frames.
as for the lighter i agree tele zerking would be effective but i cant do it well so no sence in trying it, also he was playing pretty defensive as you can see.
Mainaman, why did you use the leap skill on the Windy?
mainaman
10-12-2006, 19:00
Mainaman, why did you use the leap skill on the Windy?the kb takes them out of minion stack and alowes for clean nl .
Mainaman, why did you use the leap skill on the Windy?
To knock back both the druid and the minions, thus breaking minion stack
He olba,
Will you ever return to d2?
He olba,
Will you ever return to d2?
Of course I will. I just do not know when. I do go to random pubs for a couple of minutes now and then. The most definite answer to would be something like: "I will return once I get a new PC, which should be during 2007, according to my dad." Before that, no idea.
Why?
Nothing much, just wana know if youre future comments might hold any grain of recent experiance in them.
the kb takes them out of minion stack and alowes for clean nl .
Does it give stun?
He already said that the ES Orber had 142% FHR, meaning a leap - tele - WW would have an extremely low chance to connect, especially during that lag.
And leaping constantly is only a mistake if your leap level is extremely low. If it's at least full screen, then leaping around will prevent the sorc from suddenly appearing in your screen and throwing an orb or two. It'll force the sorc to fire off orbs from less than ideal range, generally resulting in only the shards hitting him.
blobswannabe
10-12-2006, 20:55
Let's see.
The es/lightning sorc: I saw you Leaping way too much. You wasted time leaping when your opponent wasn't even on your map. That's a pretty mistake.
The Windy: I think you were playing a bit too suicidal at times. I saw you teleport into a ton of nados and Leaping while on top of the druid. You shouldn't do either of those. I remember when you asked about the howling tactic that I've spoken of. You could've tried that. Makes wolves useless. Plus it makes oak way easier to kill and enables way easier unsummon namelocks due to the summons wondering off-screen. And the unsummon namelocks in turn help you catch the druid off-guard when he is re-summoning or playing defensive. And yes, the druid did play very offensive considering no block.
The Telesmiter: I have to agree here that your whirlwinds seemed pretty easy to predict. Judging from that the telesmiter wasn't so good, always namelocking or teleporting behind of you instead of ahead or the sides. Nothing much to say here. Also, running versus a telesmiter can end up in a quick death.
The ES/Orber: Again, you leaped when your opponent wasn't even on your map. Also, you were trying unsummon namelock too much. If you do it that often, a) you will end up messing up a lot b) you will end up dead because of such a predictable dueling style. Also, it seems that you are not so good with unsummon so you shouldn't be using it that much. Also, the fact that you rarely leaped before telewhirling. And I personally think that you played a bit too defensive, allowing the sorc to spam you with orbs most of the time. With a little less luck, you would've been the one to die.
Funny how you act like you are better than someone who's clearly better than you. He's very good at leap tele/ww. He did whoop both of the bmana sorcs you act like he got owned or soemthing. But yes he's a bit defensive against the sorcs by not utilizing unsummon locks or telefrenzy considering they are not block chars.
blobswannabe
10-12-2006, 21:00
25 fps is the videorendering rate not the game fps , i believe
d2 plays 25 fps which is what the eye need to see so the iage is smooth (well its 24 actually),and the usual 60 fps that we are used to see are excessive frames.
as for the lighter i agree tele zerking would be effective but i cant do it well so no sence in trying it, also he was playing pretty defensive as you can see.
actually around 75 fps is what our eyes can see I think. Telefrenzy will completely destroy vita casters. if you have trouble getting a good lock just leap till you can corner lock him with unsummon then move ur cursor above your feet. Then tap tele and left click with frenzy as soon as you tele on him, if he gets away your barb will be running after him while having him frenzy locked so keep ur cursor above your feet and tap right click to tele on him again and repeat. It's not that hard at all as long as you have no trouble getting the initial lock.
Funny how you act like you are better than someone who's clearly better than you. He's very good at leap tele/ww. He did whoop both of the bmana sorcs you act like he got owned or soemthing. But yes he's a bit defensive against the sorcs by not utilizing unsummon locks or telefrenzy considering they are not block chars.
Where do I act like I am better than him? If you are talking about the howl-thing, he came asking me about it. I've never said that I would be better than anyone, yet I've never said that I would be worse than anyone except the best. Is this wrong? Aren't you the one who keeps babbling about how good you are? If you are going to keep on babbling about how good you think you are, then you might just as well shut the hell up about anyone else's words. And what the hell do you know about my skills? Or are you really foolish enough to judge one's skills based on their words? If you, then all I can do is pity you. Words, in the end they mean nothing.
I never said that he got owned. If you think I did, then please point out where. Also please take into account the fact that I do not put anything between the lines and one should never try to read anything between the lines from my posts. I've learned that there are people who cannot read between then lines, and then are those who insist on reading between the lines. Because of this, I prefer not to write anything between the lines.
All I said was that he could have done better. Just as everyone. Because no one is perfect.
Oh wait, why am I writing when I know that your response will consist of one simple sentence that will be another pathetic attempt to make me show any kind of hatred towards you so that you could feel that you've accomplished something in your life.
He tried to use unsummon namelocks in one duel, but he clearly is not so good with it, so he should practise or not use it. I would suggest practise.
And leaping constantly is only a mistake if your leap level is extremely low. If it's at least full screen, then leaping around will prevent the sorc from suddenly appearing in your screen and throwing an orb or two. It'll force the sorc to fire off orbs from less than ideal range, generally resulting in only the shards hitting him.
But the lvl 30 Leap's range is almost exactly 1.5 screens, and the map's range is 3. Now, he leaped when the sorc wasn't even on the map, which is useless, since there's no way that the sorc will teleport 1.5 screens at once, making the extra leaps a waste a time.
Thoridian
10-12-2006, 21:12
Telefrenzy? Wtf why lol mind to explain? It sounds *** and seems to be not effective...
blobswannabe
10-12-2006, 21:25
Where do I act like I am better than him? If you are talking about the howl-thing, he came asking me about it. I've never said that I would be better than anyone, yet I've never said that I would be worse than anyone except the best. Is this wrong? Aren't you the one who keeps babbling about how good you are? If you are going to keep on babbling about how good you think you are, then you might just as well shut the hell up about anyone else's words. And what the hell do you know about my skills? Or are you really foolish enough to judge one's skills based on their words? If you, then all I can do is pity you. Words, in the end they mean nothing.
I never said that he got owned. If you think I did, then please point out where. Also please take into account the fact that I do not put anything between the lines and one should never try to read anything between the lines from my posts. I've learned that there are people who cannot read between then lines, and then are those who insist on reading between the lines. Because of this, I prefer not to write anything between the lines.
All I said was that he could have done better. Just as everyone. Because no one is perfect.
Oh wait, why am I writing when I know that your response will consist of one simple sentence that will be another pathetic attempt to make me show any kind of hatred towards you so that you could feel that you've accomplished something in your life.
He tried to use unsummon namelocks in one duel, but he clearly is not so good with it, so he should practise or not use it. I would suggest practise.
But the lvl 30 Leap's range is almost exactly 1.5 screens, and the map's range is 3. Now, he leaped when the sorc wasn't even on the map, which is useless, since there's no way that the sorc will teleport 1.5 screens at once, making the extra leaps a waste a time.
You lost to a werewolf that mojo beat 50-0 need I say more? mr crappy embarrassment of a bvc. I've proven myself to be a top dueler on both east and west by beating the likes of koda, luis,etc. And all you do is theorycrafting and lose to anyone half decent. I'm not gonna read the rest of your incoherent long rant from someone who admitted to having no life outside of posting on diabloii.net.
The fact that you don't even know how to chain lock and think that nec > windy just shows you are at most a way below average dueler by west NL standard.
OH ya you'll probably write another essay in response to this but chances are I'm not gonna read it LOL. At least not until you go back to school and learn how to make sense.
You lost to a werewolf that mojo beat 50-0 need I say more? mr crappy embarrassment of a bvc. I've proven myself to be a top dueler on both east and west by beating the likes of koda, luis,etc. And all you do is theorycrafting and lose to anyone half decent. I'm not gonna read the rest of your incoherent long rant from someone who admitted to having no life outside of posting on diabloii.net.
Let's see.
Please link me to a post where I say that I do nothing but post on these forums? Or is this just another stupid conclusion you reached because of the rapid growth of my post count in these last seven months?
And I dueled stoutewolf mm .... back in like January or so. I had never dueled versus a single half-decent wolf and I wasn't well-prepaired. Plus I had no idea of his gear at the time, all I knew that he had perfect gear.
Where did morotsjos 50-0 stoutewolf? I do not remember reading anything like that. Please push the numbers more in your pathetic attempt trying to make me look worse than I am.
Also, if you are such a bigshot, then how come I've never heard of you outside of these forums? I've heard of mcm, luis, morotsjos, rom, ling, koda, but never heard a word of you.
The fact that you don't even know how to chain lock and think that nec > windy just shows you are at most a way below average dueler by west NL standard.
So, you are saying that the fact that I've never seen a good bonemancer losing to a windy 5-0 makes me a bad dueler? Hah, did I not clearly say that I lost to windies on my own Bonemancer who was pretty damn ghetto? Did I not say that as long as a windy gets a namelock, the Bonemancer is dead as hell? Did I not say that a Windy can be close to immortal versus a Bonemancer?
Chainlocking. I've never found any situation where I would need that on a BvC, and a BvC is the only PvP character I've played seriously for a longer time.
OH ya you'll probably write another essay in response to this but chances are I'm not gonna read it LOL. At least not until you go back to school and learn how to make sense.
Hah, here you go again, showing your own foolishness by saying that age or education would mean a damn thing for one's opinion to be correct. It seems that you ignore everyone who does not fill some random criteria you've created, which I consider to be both rude and pretty racial. I'm not even going to say how much of a damn fool it makes you look like. For an example, go read about AS and come back.
mainaman
10-12-2006, 22:04
If you are talking about the howl-thing, he came asking me about it yes i asked ,to just find out after 3 duels that this is really crappy strategy as no sane druid will stop tele for a split sec to spam 1-2 nadoes in which time wolves will nor scatter ...
as for my leaping the orber was almost all the time on minimap and most of the time in leap range
the lighet had 200 fcr and these sorc as averyone knows can pop on screen and off minimap in split sec . as u saw i was chasing him almost the entire time.
I agree I need be more aggressive , that will happen with more practice ofc.
yes i asked ,to just find out after 3 duels that this is really crappy strategy as no sane druid will stop tele for a split sec to spam 1-2 nadoes in which time wolves will nor scatter ...
Which in turn forces them to either never attack you or resummon. And if they go to resummon, they are easy to kill.
Also, you do know about the existence of Leap, do you not?
as for my leaping the orber was almost all the time on minimap and most of the time in leap range
the lighet had 200 fcr and these sorc as averyone knows can pop on screen and off minimap in split sec . as u saw i was chasing him almost the entire time.
I agree I need be more aggressive , that will happen with more practice ofc.
Yes, they can come to your screen and off your minimap in 1.4 seconds, but you should be able to Leap way quicker than that. If you cannot make a Leap in 1.4 seconds, that's pretty bad.
Which in turn forces them to either never attack you or resummon. And if they go to resummon, they are easy to kill.
Also, you do know about the existence of Leap, do you not?
I second mainaman here. I consider howl useless against windy as well, from windy perspective. At least from my experience with dueling BvC's using it.
Howled wolves do not scatter fast enough to be any use for BvC. At least when windy knows what he's doing.
I second mainaman here. I consider howl useless against windy as well, from windy perspective. At least from my experience with dueling BvC's using it.
Howled wolves do not scatter fast enough to be any use for BvC. At least when windy knows what he's doing.
Well, it depends on the playstyle of the windy. If the windy plays as a moronic re-summoner, then Howl is a good way to make the duel a boring one pretty quickly.
Defensive windies however, it's pretty useless against such.
As for offensive ones, a BvC can easily force the windy to either never hit the BvC or to get the minions howled, which in turn either forces the windy to only use a single nado at a time and teleport off-screen a lot or resummon. For this purpose, I would always prefer bear over wolves on a Windy.
Well, it depends on the playstyle of the windy. If the windy plays as a moronic re-summoner, then Howl is a good way to make the duel a boring one pretty quickly.
Defensive windies however, it's pretty useless against such.
As for offensive ones, a BvC can easily force the windy to either never hit the BvC or to get the minions howled, which in turn either forces the windy to only use a single nado at a time and teleport off-screen a lot or resummon. For this purpose, I would always prefer bear over wolves on a Windy.
Why are you insist talking about resummon? There is no need for it after howl, like I said before. At least I never had to do it.
I resummon only when my minions are life tapped.
Why are you insist talking about resummon? There is no need for it after howl, like I said before. At least I never had to do it.
I resummon only when my minions are life tapped.
So do you really think that your minions have a chance of being on top of you after you've stood still for even a single tornado or been leaped even once? Hah, that's funny. Even Leap alone is enough to scatter all your minions. Howl just makes sure that they won't be in the way of triwhirls.
So do you really think that your minions have a chance of being on top of you after you've stood still for even a single tornado or been leaped even once? Hah, that's funny. Even Leap alone is enough to scatter all your minions. Howl just makes sure that they won't be in the way of triwhirls.
Funny thing is, that this theorycrafting may look good on paper.
My experience is a different thing. I do not want to discuss it forever here.
I stated my point clearly enough already.
One more note. I actually like when barb is using it. Usually it's very easy to predict when BvC will howl, which allows for a free offguard telestomp and few free nados.
blobswannabe
11-12-2006, 03:33
Let's see.
The es/lightning sorc: I saw you Leaping way too much. You wasted time leaping when your opponent wasn't even on your map. That's a pretty mistake.
Which in turn forces them to either never attack you or resummon. And if they go to resummon, they are easy to kill.
Also, you do know about the existence of Leap, do you not?
LoL in one post you were saying he was leaping way too much in the next you ask him if he knows what leap is with a condescending attitude
Stop trying to act like you are better than someone who's clearly a better bvc than you'll ever be when you can't even beat a friggin range 2 werewolf that doesn't have max block.
Well, it depends on the playstyle of the windy. If the windy plays as a moronic re-summoner, then Howl is a good way to make the duel a boring one pretty quickly.
For this purpose, I would always prefer bear over wolves on a Windy.
Only a moron would use bear against bvcs, a few hits on the bear and they are back to full life. Not mention it makes it extremely easy for the barb to telezerk you etc.
The best windies play semi-aggressivly against bvcs by recasting and hopping the barb occasionally and they know they won't get hit very often with their minion stack plus bvcs cant' leech much from wolves.
You clearly have no clue about how to play a bvc or a winddruid.Learn how to duel first before giving your half-assed lectures to people who are clearly better than you. Your retarded theorycrafting isn't gonna convince anyone with half a brain.
LoL in one post you were saying he was leaping way too much in the next you ask him if he knows what leap is with a condescending attitude
Hah, how funny. Apparently you have no idea of what I meant, so please stay quiet.
Stop trying to act like you are better than someone who's clearly a better bvc than you'll ever be when you can't even beat a friggin range 2 werewolf that doesn't have max block.
I never said that I would be better than him. Please link to me a post where I clearly, with no "read between the lines"-wannabecomments say that I am better than him. Until you do so, please stay quiet.
Only a moron would use bear against bvcs, a few hits on the bear and they are back to full life. Not mention it makes it extremely easy for the barb to telezerk you etc.
Ok, so you want to telezerk a 6k life max block 99/99 Windy? You, a "pro" should know that is not something anyone sane would do.
The best windies play semi-aggressivly against bvcs by recasting and hopping the barb occasionally and they know they won't get hit very often with their minion stack plus bvcs cant' leech much from wolves. [quote]
The wolves will indeed have about 1/5th of the life of the Bear's, but the wolves are still leechable.
[quote]You clearly have no clue about how to play a bvc or a winddruid.Learn how to duel first before giving your half-assed lectures to people who are clearly better than you. Your retarded theorycrafting isn't gonna convince anyone with half a brain.
Please make more assumptions based on simple words. It's amusing how you say that I should stop "theorycrafting" whereas you yourself are clearly making assumptions based on words, which is the same thing, just in different environment.
Funny thing is, that this theorycrafting may look good on paper.
My experience is a different thing. I do not want to discuss it forever here.
I stated my point clearly enough already.
Sorry, but the last time I beat a max block 99/99 ~6k life windy, I used howl.
Thoridian
11-12-2006, 15:56
Erm Olba that howl tactic i remember it worked only vs chris's eledruid because he sucked with it T.T I've tried it vs few of my friends from fl and i got owned while howling lol
Sorry, but the last time I beat a max block 99/99 ~6k life windy, I used howl.
Erm Olba that howl tactic i remember it worked only vs chris's eledruid because he sucked with it T.T I've tried it vs few of my friends from fl and i got owned while howling lol
Just like Thoridian confirmed, it's better for windy if a BvC uses howl. So easy to be caught offguard. That is exactly my experience. Most BvC's I dueled stop howling after first or second duel :tongue:
Just like Thoridian confirmed, it's better for windy if a BvC uses howl. So easy to be caught offguard. That is exactly my experience. Most BvC's I dueled stop howling after first or second duel :tongue:
Well, it's not like I bother with Howl often. Most of the time it's either not worth it or simply not needed. But I still like it.
Well, it's not like I bother with Howl often. Most of the time it's either not worth it or simply not needed. But I still like it.
It's ok with me if you will bother with it. You can like it, but do not instruct or convince others how good it is, when it simply is NOT.
It's ok with me if you will bother with it. You can like it, but do not instruct or convince others how good it is, when it simply is NOT.
However, there's the fact to which even you have to submit. The fact is that Howl is a damn good tool of separating just about any minions. It's almost like an all-time Leap, just without the knockback.
I never said that Howling would be exceptionally good, just that it's good versus certain types of druids. Mainly the ones that love to resummon after anything happens to their summons. Personally I use howl more for the amusement than the fact that it would be necessary or even good. It just helps you a little bit versus a certain type of a Windy.
blobswannabe
11-12-2006, 20:59
However, there's the fact to which even you have to submit. The fact is that Howl is a damn good tool of separating just about any minions. It's almost like an all-time Leap, just without the knockback.
I never said that Howling would be exceptionally good, just that it's good versus certain types of druids. Mainly the ones that love to resummon after anything happens to their summons. Personally I use howl more for the amusement than the fact that it would be necessary or even good. It just helps you a little bit versus a certain type of a Windy.
LOL looks like you are just in denial. According to you, you are always right.
LOL looks like you are just in denial. According to you, you are always right.
And of course I've said that countless times. Of course I am always right since I am the person sitting to the left of God. How could I ever be wrong? Tell me? *wink*
However, there's the fact to which even you have to submit. The fact is that Howl is a damn good tool of separating just about any minions. It's almost like an all-time Leap, just without the knockback.
I never said that Howling would be exceptionally good, just that it's good versus certain types of druids. Mainly the ones that love to resummon after anything happens to their summons. Personally I use howl more for the amusement than the fact that it would be necessary or even good. It just helps you a little bit versus a certain type of a Windy.
What certain types of druids? The ones that do not know how to play? Why bother with howl against them anyway?
Most druids resummon, why shouldn't they? Try to use it against a half deceent windy, and you'll have your amusement.
And it is not a damn good tool, as it works more against the BvC rather then in favour of.
What certain types of druids? The ones that do not know how to play? Why bother with howl against them anyway?
Most druids resummon, why shouldn't they? Try to use it against a half deceent windy, and you'll have your amusement.
And it is not a damn good tool, as it works more against the BvC rather then in favour of.
By certain types of druids I meant certain playstyles. The ones that like to resummon their minions countless times during duels and going off-map to do so. Versus those people, you can force them to only take damage with howl, because as soon as they teleport near you, their minions will be howled and they will be on the run again and you can easily enough use unsummon namelock to damage them that way.
Of course it's of no use versus a Windy who's running all over a BvC. But what kind of a windy would do so when they are at a huge disadvantage?
A "half decent windy", so you do not consider a 99/99/75/50 Windy with ~6k life to be "half-decent"? Funny. Now you will bring the argument of "Ebayers", which is even more pathetic. Too bad I've never had the chance to duel the said best Windy on Europe. Even so, I beat each and every Windy that I dueled. And those include a few of those "godly" windies with 6000ish life, max block, 50ish DR, 99/99. And there's only a single druid that I ever used Howl against and that was simply to make sure that I would get a bunch of easy kills.
However most of your arguments make you seem more like a joke than anything else. You take things so damn negatively that it's not even funny.
By certain types of druids I meant certain playstyles. The ones that like to resummon their minions countless times during duels and going off-map to do so. Versus those people, you can force them to only take damage with howl, because as soon as they teleport near you, their minions will be howled and they will be on the run again and you can easily enough use unsummon namelock to damage them that way.
Of course it's of no use versus a Windy who's running all over a BvC. But what kind of a windy would do so when they are at a huge disadvantage?
A "half decent windy", so you do not consider a 99/99/75/50 Windy with ~6k life to be "half-decent"? Funny. Now you will bring the argument of "Ebayers", which is even more pathetic. Too bad I've never had the chance to duel the said best Windy on Europe. Even so, I beat each and every Windy that I dueled. And those include a few of those "godly" windies with 6000ish life, max block, 50ish DR, 99/99. And there's only a single druid that I ever used Howl against and that was simply to make sure that I would get a bunch of easy kills.
Half decent I meant the actual skill in playing windy. Not ebayed gear and showing off to be godly.
However most of your arguments make you seem more like a joke than anything else. You take things so damn negatively that it's not even funny.
Actually this is very funny.
Yea erm olba?
Im willing to bet this joke would kinda hurt you badly.
blobswannabe
11-12-2006, 22:10
And of course I've said that countless times. Of course I am always right since I am the person sitting to the left of God. How could I ever be wrong? Tell me? *wink*
Because I am the person sitting to your right.:wink3:
wabba wabba
11-12-2006, 23:51
By certain types of druids I meant certain playstyles. The ones that like to resummon their minions countless times during duels and going off-map to do so. Versus those people, you can force them to only take damage with howl, because as soon as they teleport near you, their minions will be howled and they will be on the run again and you can easily enough use unsummon namelock to damage them that way.
Actually, wouldn't those windies just tele off screen and resummon new wolves that aren't howled?
Actually, wouldn't those windies just tele off screen and resummon new wolves that aren't howled?
Yes they would, and that's just what I want, since it allows me to a) unsummon them b) teleport on top of them while they are defenseless . Also, it makes it so that they will pretty much never attack me, as they will spend all of the time either resummoning or teleporting fact and forth. It's amusing! It's fun!
mainaman
12-12-2006, 07:31
Yes they would, and that's just what I want, since it allows me to a) unsummon them b) teleport on top of them while they are defenseless . Also, it makes it so that they will pretty much never attack me, as they will spend all of the time either resummoning or teleporting fact and forth. It's amusing! It's fun!
and one more time it doesnt work at all this way with any serios druid player...
go ahead and ask camden he'll enlighten you abit on that topic
Thoridian
12-12-2006, 08:12
Yes they would, and that's just what I want, since it allows me to a) unsummon them b) teleport on top of them while they are defenseless . Also, it makes it so that they will pretty much never attack me, as they will spend all of the time either resummoning or teleporting fact and forth. It's amusing! It's fun!
+any non-retarded druid will kill you while youll be howling. Dude wake up it DOESNT work vs anyone whos got brain -.-
I've yet to see howl used effectively vs a druid =/. Wolves are as slow to run away when howled as they are to run towards the opponent when not, thus when barbs try it vs me it really doesn't do anything to take me out of any normal routine
+any non-retarded druid will kill you while youll be howling. Dude wake up it DOESNT work vs anyone whos got brain -.-
they are rite this technique is flawed and Chris was not that great on a Windy so anything decent, could end up u eating 3 nados while howling. Also as stated the wolves take a while to desperse and no druid will stay still for that period of time.
Olba u really need to get back in the game and see how things are done, ppls skills and builds have improved and its been months since u have played, meaning tactics wise and effectiveness vs certain builds is not the same.
I have not played in weeks due to Uni but i can bet my hat il be missing namelocks and my tri-ww will be squat and il need to practice again, i may even get owned by a random in a pub:shocked: ?
COMMENTS AT THE VIDS
As others mentioned ur WW was sloppy vs the tele smiter, was he using zaka or exile? This is important cuz i thought u got hit far too many times and with lifetap exile smiter too many slipps and they can leech back to full. Unpredictable and shorter whirls are the way.
Secondly no offence that Windy was LOL. I understand it was pure vita but the strategies of the windy was wrong anyway it could have been a more convincing fight if the windy was played well, despite being non-block. Try for a windy with maxblock or something.
Imbecile
12-12-2006, 23:19
they are rite this technique is flawed and Chris was not that great on a Windy so anything decent, could end up u eating 3 nados while howling. Also as stated the wolves take a while to desperse and no druid will stay still for that period of time.
Olba u really need to get back in the game and see how things are done, ppls skills and builds have improved and its been months since u have played, meaning tactics wise and effectiveness vs certain builds in not the same.
I have not played in weeks due to college but i can bet my hat il be missing namelocks and my tri-ww will be squat and il need to practice again, i may even get owned by a random in a pub:shocked: ?
Just re-equipped good old faithful, Welfare. Since you dodged my tele-smiter, as well as other barbs except 2 barbs. It's not fun any more, and kids call me hacker because, they don't grasp simple d2 mechanics, like tele-smite or tele-zerk. =(
/sarcasm I know you'll never dodge Rich, only Ce Olga ^)^
Just re-equipped good old faithful, Welfare. Since you dodged my tele-smiter, as well as other barbs except 2 barbs. It's not fun any more, and kids call me hacker because, they don't grasp simple d2 mechanics, like tele-smite or tele-zerk. =(
/sarcasm I know you'll never dodge Rich, only Ce Olga ^)^
Re-equip that smiter for a 5-0 i should be home this weekend oh and il fight the hammer as well :grin:
Imbecile
12-12-2006, 23:30
Re-equip that smiter for a 5-0 i should be home this weekend oh and il fight the hammer as well :grin:
You said the same last weekend, but you disappointed me, you were no where to be found, and also CHECK YOUR DAMN PRIVATE MESSAGES.
Also being a tele-smiter vs. a enigma using barb, you'll have to slow down the ww-moving speed. I utilize cleglaws and holy freeze myself, I freeze the barb while he is WW'ing, then I tele into his path and smite away, with fanaticism on. Just teleporting untop of a barb and hoping for some free smites, is hopeless.
You said the same last weekend, but you disappointed me, you were no where to be found, and also CHECK YOUR DAMN PRIVATE MESSAGES.
Also being a tele-smiter vs. a enigma using barb, you'll have to slow down the ww-moving speed. I utilize cleglaws and holy freeze myself, I freeze the barb while he is WW'ing, then I tele into his path and smite away, with fanaticism on. Just teleporting untop of a barb and hoping for some free smites, is hopeless.
sry man i could not make it.. I did not go home that weekend
sounds interesting though using hf on a smiter. when i was on i was on last i had some good duels with a smiter using hf, but i also was experimenting a new technique to counter this tactic which could prove to be usefull..
mainaman
13-12-2006, 07:39
they are rite this technique is flawed and Chris was not that great on a Windy so anything decent, could end up u eating 3 nados while howling. Also as stated the wolves take a while to desperse and no druid will stay still for that period of time.
Olba u really need to get back in the game and see how things are done, ppls skills and builds have improved and its been months since u have played, meaning tactics wise and effectiveness vs certain builds is not the same.
I have not played in weeks due to Uni but i can bet my hat il be missing namelocks and my tri-ww will be squat and il need to practice again, i may even get owned by a random in a pub:shocked: ?
COMMENTS AT THE VIDS
As others mentioned ur WW was sloppy vs the tele smiter, was he using zaka or exile? This is important cuz i thought u got hit far too many times and with lifetap exile smiter too many slipps and they can leech back to full. Unpredictable and shorter whirls are the way.
Secondly no offence that Windy was LOL. I understand it was pure vita but the strategies of the windy was wrong anyway it could have been a more convincing fight if the windy was played well, despite being non-block. Try for a windy with maxblock or something.
ty for advice
i know that the best tactics is walk random ww against tele smiters , but i didnt use that for some reason. he was zaka smiter.
the druid wasnt good but it was one of my first vids so why not?
there is no good druids on east right now, exception is camden here( and maybe 2-3 that i havent met), but he is still gearing his drood so i have to wait to duel him
the reason why i ask if it was a zaka smiter vs a exile is the fact that u need to be more carefull vs lifetap exile smiters as it triggers often and if that was an exile smiter, judging on the amount of times i see u get hit u would have been beaten as he would have leeched alot of hp back, not to mention the higher defence edge they would get, reducing ur chance to hit.
mainaman
13-12-2006, 17:21
the reason why i ask if it was a zaka smiter vs a exile is the fact that u need to be more carefull vs lifetap exile smiters as it triggers often and if that was an exile smiter, judging on the amount of times i see u get hit u would have been beaten as he would have leeched alot of hp back, not to mention the higher defence edge they would get, reducing ur chance to hit.
oh yes because it was zaka smiter, i used ravens + highlords. They have ~15k def so no problem hitting them with 10k ar.
if he was exile smiter then for sure I would have used angelics which give me 19k ar ,plenty to hit average 30k def smiter i believe
if he was exile smiter then for sure I would have used angelics which give me 19k ar ,plenty to hit average 30k def smiter i believe
Now exactly. With those stats, you would have 38.7755102% chance to hit the smiter if no block was counted. If the block is counted, then it's 9.69387755%.
This is of course assuming that the smiter is the same level as you are.
/maths
mainaman
13-12-2006, 19:40
Now exactly. With those stats, you would have 38.7755102% chance to hit the smiter if no block was counted. If the block is counted, then it's 9.69387755%.
This is of course assuming that the smiter is the same level as you are.
/mathsyou by now know that you can't impress anyone with a bunch of random numbers that dont have anything to do with the reality of the game. And i told you already I can calculate better than you and things that you will never even hear of in your entire life unless you do math on an University lvl.
and just to prove you wrong AND hopefully shut you up once and for all
my barb is lvl 96 the smniter was lvl 90
which gives ~41% chance to hit with ravens(no block counted) with block its a lttle more than 10% learn to calculate correctly ....
and the chance to hit is based on probabilty and each hit is calculated separately so more often than you think hits go through . as its obvios from the video i hit him pretty well.
now stop spamming with your crappy theorycrafting
you by now know that you can't impress anyone with a bunch of random numbers that dont have anything to do with the reality of the game. And i told you already I can calculate better than you and things that you will never even hear of in your entire life unless you do math on an University lvl.
And some of the stuff I study in what you could call High School is stuff that is taught at Universities mostly. And that's because I'm on a maths emphasizing line.
and just to prove you wrong AND hopefully shut you up once and for all
my barb is lvl 96 the smniter was lvl 90
which gives ~41% chance to hit with ravens(no block counted) with block its a lttle more than 10% learn to calculate correctly ....
and the chance to hit is based on probabilty and each hit is calculated separately so more often than you think hits go through . as its obvios from the video i hit him pretty well.
now stop spamming with your crappy theorycrafting
How about you actually read what I wrote? Read it twice and then think if you simply cannot spot something or if you can, ok?
Tip:This is of course assuming that the smiter is the same level as you are.
Of course I'm going to assume that the smiter is the same level as it's both the easiest and most common way to it. You shouldn't just cathegorize all smiters to always be lvl 90. Actually, to make sure you will have a good chance of hitting, you should plan it based on a lvl 99 opponent, not one that's lower than yourself.
mainaman
13-12-2006, 20:29
And some of the stuff I study in what you could call High School is stuff that is taught at Universities mostly. And that's because I'm on a maths emphasizing line.
How about you actually read what I wrote? Read it twice and then think if you simply cannot spot something or if you can, ok?
Tip:
Of course I'm going to assume that the smiter is the same level as it's both the easiest and most common way to it. You shouldn't just cathegorize all smiters to always be lvl 90. Actually, to make sure you will have a good chance of hitting, you should plan it based on a lvl 99 opponent, not one that's lower than yourself.
You have no idea what kind of math people study at an University lvl.
Don't assume anything about your opponent( rephrasing your own words from a different thread) and one more time you only sound incredibly stupid by posting nonsense all the time.
Last comment before i ignore you completely grow up and get laid, you'll get some different eyes for the real life and maybe you'll start make sense when posting.
You have no idea what kind of math people study at an University lvl.
Maybe I do not, but tell me, just how many people study matrixes during the first half a year of their first year in high school?
Don't assume anything about your opponent( rephrasing your own words from a different thread) and one more time you only sound incredibly stupid by posting nonsense all the time.
Now, aren't you the one posting nonsense, ignoring all of my points with the following stupid and pathetic defenses that only prove that you have no idea of any kind of a decent discussion about anything:
Last comment before i ignore you completely grow up and get laid, you'll get some different eyes for the real life and maybe you'll start make sense when posting.
Hah, this comment makes me want to either cry or laugh. Wish I could do both at the same time. Please, determine what you mean by "grow up"? Mentally? Physically? Get laid? What is that supposed to change? Eyes for real life? Hah, pathetic. Make sense? I make more sense than you do. At least I am not totally illogical unlike you.
Get laid? What is that supposed to change? .
i sincerely hope the mathematical probability of this is higher than the chance for a barb with 10k ar to hit a smiter with 30k def and max block (assuming both lvl 90 oc). for your benefit and maybe ours too. :listen:
i sincerely hope the mathematical probability of this is higher than the chance for a barb with 10k ar to hit a smiter with 30k def and max block (assuming both lvl 90 oc). for your benefit and maybe ours too. :listen:
And why do you want that?
Considering that I put studies over most things and have no friends whatsoever, I think I will have quit D2 way before anything that advanced would happen, so I think it shouldn't even be discussed. You see, I couldn't care less about being in a physical relationship with anyone. And this is because 98% of the people I meet will have no effect whatsoever on my life. Just temporary mass that will be replaced after a while. And I do not share more than a quarter of my opinions at most with a single individual and even that is rare. Hah, not that I would have the time to bother with something as useless as a relationship at this time. I still have to rise my grades a lot.
Arent you wasting to much time on this forum already then?
Lol i waste way too much time on forums/d2 when i should be studying but it's my social life that takes the hit not the work time. :tongue:
I study applied maths at uni, 2nd year now. <3
he is still gearing his drood so i have to wait to duel him
It's finished =D. Friend quit completely for d2pk and generously left me with much of his remaining gear, including a druid that patched up what I still needed.
Whisper me for practice whenever you want (*jai.)
You see, I couldn't care less about being in a physical relationship with anyone. And this is because 98% of the people I meet will have no effect whatsoever on my life. Just temporary mass that will be replaced after a while. And I do not share more than a quarter of my opinions at most with a single individual and even that is rare. Hah, not that I would have the time to bother with something as useless as a relationship at this time. I still have to rise my grades a lot.
I was wondering; it's late here, and I might not grasp it fully, but is it sarcasm?
Bulgarian
17-12-2006, 08:24
That smiter just kept tele'ing into your ww... now I dont know how to use a smiter but, I would play a little bit more defensively.
I dont know how to play wind druid, so no comment on the second video.
I didnt read the last 11 pages.
arcticknight
17-12-2006, 21:34
Looked ok in my eyes. Watched all 4 Vids and the sorcs were both pretty good. Sometimes it seemed as though you were waiting to get hit. Lag was apparent during the duel, but you still did alright.
Dennis_KoreanGuy
17-12-2006, 21:48
Looked ok in my eyes. Watched all 4 Vids and the sorcs were both pretty good. Sometimes it seemed as though you were waiting to get hit. Lag was apparent during the duel, but you still did alright.
nl delay tele.
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