View Full Version : Help with hotkeys on WW/Trapper/Kicker
MysticDragon
05-12-2006, 06:32
I'm having trouble deciding my hotkeys. I'm trying to make it similar to my BvC, but the assassin has more hotkeys. What do you guys use? Is Unsummon needed? I'll be using Talon.
Smithenator
05-12-2006, 06:40
I use
a=ww
s=teleport
c=light sentry
d=mindblast
f=dragon flight
e=fade
r=venom
t=BoS
q=shadow master
that works pretty well for me
MysticDragon
05-12-2006, 06:49
Here's what I've got so far:
F-Whirlwind
D-Teleport
S-Mind Blast
A-Guided Arrow
G-Switch Weapons
V-Shadow or Talon?
C-Flight
X-BoS
Z-Fade
R-Light
E-WoF
W-Psychic Hammer?
Q-CoS
f1-TP
f2-BC
f3-BO
f4-Venom
Left click is always Talon. Do I need Unsummon? By the way, I've dueled your WW/Trapper. Am I missing something?
Smithenator
05-12-2006, 08:00
nothing that stands out, that looks like a pretty solid hotkey setup to me, also I would have v=shadow, since you need to recast that alot more often than you use talon.
You mentioned you dueled my sin, whats your chars name? Would be fun to do some gm 1v1 against another sin, havent dueled any besides a friend of mine in awhile.
HappyAssassin
05-12-2006, 11:00
I'll fun duel you any time smith, I had a killer setup last time we fought, it should be more even this time around.
go go plain gcs :(
wizAdept
05-12-2006, 18:03
I personally use the setup:
1-4 = potions
q = switch weapons
w-r, a-g, z-n, mouse4/5 = hotkeys
The idea with the hotkeys since you're juggling 12-16 skills is to keep them close together with the letter keys. I support every player trying to figure out the setup that is most comfortable for them, there is a method to my layout however that I think works well:
-center hotkeys around teleport
-keep trapping hotkeys close together: mb/wof/ls
The way I have it set up my main combat hotkeys are w-r, a-f, z, v. All easily reachable with 3 fingers while my pinkie sits on shift.
The setup I used when I played wwsin:
leftclick = dclaw (replace with talon if you are kicksin hybrid)
all hotkeys on right click:
w= mb
e= ls
r= wof
a= flight
s= teleport
d= ww
f= psychic hammer
g= fade
z= cloak of shadows
x= venom
c= BoS
v= shadow master
b= bo
n= bc
mouse4= dclaw (good to have melee attack on both left and right click)
mouse5= unsummon
That would be 16 hotkeys.
Occasionally I would remap to: f= bladefury, g= ph, c= fade to use bladefury in wwsin vs wwsin. In my experience though its a useless skill vs most other classes so I didn't keep it hotkeyed most of the time unless needed.
my principles are the same as wiz', i only have set other skills on the different hotkeys.
another thing that not many ppl do, but which i do, is that i use ww and dt both on left mouse.
i have always been whirling on left+shift and i still think its comfortable when you tele/ww flash, because you dont have to press so many keys then.
but on the other hand i want dt to be on my left mouse as well, because you can have awesome chainlocks then. this isnt possible if you talon on right mouse. (if you dont have any left mouse hack, which i dont)
so, my hotkeys are like that:
q = ww (left mouse)
w= dt (left mouse)
e = ls
r = sm
a = mb
s = tele
d = wof
f = df
g= ph
y= bc
x = bo
c = venom
v = fade
b = bladeshield
f4 = bos
sometimes i change one of the hotkeys to cos because it can be quite handy in some situations.
after all i think the hotkeys you use are preferance. the hints that wiz gave are useful for sure though.
MysticDragon
07-12-2006, 01:20
I'm wondering... How often do you guys use Psychic Hammer? What do you use more? CoS or PH?
Smithenator
07-12-2006, 06:10
I use CoS very very very rarely, and I could use ph as I believe wizadept uses it sometimes for auto lock 1health kills, but I dont remember to switch to it most of the time.
MysticDragon
07-12-2006, 06:16
I use CoS very very very rarely, and I could use ph as I believe wizadept uses it sometimes for auto lock 1health kills, but I dont remember to switch to it most of the time.
By the way, I saw you in a duel game. I was chaosing my Assassin. Her name is Cosplay. I'm going to have to take more opinions on the matter. What do you guys use more? PH or CoS?
HappyAssassin
07-12-2006, 08:10
CoS by far. I use psychic hammer sometimes to get someone at low life if they are off screen, but it's rare. CoS is useful all the time, against everything.
I only saw 1 guy using unsummon. Wierd, because Im using the skill quite alot :/
HappyAssassin
07-12-2006, 11:10
I think that would be because any time you can have an unsummon lock, you can have an MB lock. Suprise is nice, but imo stun is nicer.
It's been an observation of mine that ex-BvC players who use WWsins tend to use unsummon a lot, whereas people who start with or mostly play assassin tend not too. Unsummon has it's merits, but to be honest when I have MB on someone I don't really care if they know, because very often there's nothing they can do about it anyway.
Ah ok.
I tend to play against hard hitting chars often who have the means of getting trough mb. Surprising is critical for me :(
if you have hotkey'd cos you should always recast it when it runs out. it lowers the defense and it makes it become darker so your opponent might not be able to locate your traps anymore as good as he could if it wasnt so dark, so it can be easier for you to get someone locked down in traps.
i also use ph pretty much. its excellent as a 1-hp-finisher after ow, but it ca also be used like ... well pretty similar to the barb's leap.
you click it somewhere near your opponent and namelock him while he is still in a fhr animation. so if you practise a bit, a hit with psy hammer keads often to a namelock, which means that, if you are really good at namelocking, you will almost be able to ''autoaim'' your namelocks.
i think wizadept posted a nice short vid in the ''mini psy hammer pvm guide'' in the assassin forums where he demonstrates this tactic against a sorc.
MysticDragon
08-12-2006, 01:00
Does shift Talon autoaim like shift Fury and shift Zeal does?
wizAdept
08-12-2006, 01:07
Does shift Talon autoaim like shift Fury and shift Zeal does?Not at all.
Need to namelock targets at melee.
yeah i also tried this, but it doesnt work.
actually its np once you practised a bit. i now automatically center my cursor when i tele-talon without even thinking about it.
aaaaaaaaaaand when you really namelock them with left mouse DT, you will be able to do awesome chainlocks if your opponent manages to escape your stun.
MysticDragon
09-12-2006, 07:33
yeah i also tried this, but it doesnt work.
actually its np once you practised a bit. i now automatically center my cursor when i tele-talon without even thinking about it.
aaaaaaaaaaand when you really namelock them with left mouse DT, you will be able to do awesome chainlocks if your opponent manages to escape your stun.
So either Tele/Flight into a lfe click Talon + right click flight + left click Talon sort of thing?
no you do the chainlocks via left click talon + right click tele. flight wont work because it has a very limiled range and youre gonna kick air most of the time.
once you got your opponent locked on left with dt in the center of your screen, you can keep your cursor exactly at the same position and you only have to press left click to kick and right click to tele if he escapes.
Or, you switch dt for ww and whenever it fails use the "throw"
MysticDragon
12-12-2006, 06:08
no you do the chainlocks via left click talon + right click tele. flight wont work because it has a very limiled range and youre gonna kick air most of the time.
once you got your opponent locked on left with dt in the center of your screen, you can keep your cursor exactly at the same position and you only have to press left click to kick and right click to tele if he escapes.
If the person escapes while I am namelocked, I will run for a moment, right? I'm still holding left click while running then click with right? So at one point I will be clicking both the left click button and the right?
Generator
12-12-2006, 06:35
I use mouse wheel up for switch weapon. I dont have a ww/trapper/kicker, just plain trapper but i always use mouse up as switch, w=tele, e=LS, d=mb.
You could put df=s and talon on left click. I wouldn't put fade/bo/shadow/etc as hotkeys, I personally leave those as the f1-8 keys if i can. Btw, how do you have more than 8 hotkeys. It seems that the only way to set a skill as a hotkey is to left-click the skill button in the right hand or left hand corner and press f1-8.
MysticDragon
12-12-2006, 06:44
I use mouse wheel up for switch weapon. I dont have a ww/trapper/kicker, just plain trapper but i always use mouse up as switch, w=tele, e=LS, d=mb.
You could put df=s and talon on left click. I wouldn't put fade/bo/shadow/etc as hotkeys, I personally leave those as the f1-8 keys if i can. Btw, how do you have more than 8 hotkeys. It seems that the only way to set a skill as a hotkey is to left-click the skill button in the right hand or left hand corner and press f1-8.
Esc - Options - Hotkey Configuration
I'm too used to having G as my weapon change. I'll get 30 Fhr from Dancers giving me 6 frame hit recovery. Should I go for 48 for the 5 frame or no? I will not be Shaeling my helm.
This is it:
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot049je9.jpg
Smithenator
12-12-2006, 07:19
48fhr is kind of the bare bones in my opinion, some people go for coa+dancers+fhr gcs for the 86bp against smiters and whatnot.
I just got 4xFHR SCs. FHR Shadow skillers are even better. To hit 48.
If the person escapes while I am namelocked, I will run for a moment, right? I'm still holding left click while running then click with right? So at one point I will be clicking both the left click button and the right?
yes, exactly.
wizAdept
12-12-2006, 23:40
If the person escapes while I am namelocked, I will run for a moment, right?Yes and you can rightclick namelock tele from the namelock established off leftclick (while you are running at them)
In addition you can also tele asap off leftclick talon namelock (without moving towards the opponent) but it's much harder to time if you don't have practice doing it, hold shift while establishing namelock centerscreen, soon as opponent moves away and you want to tele on them, let go of shift press it again beforeyou start running at the opponent, and transfer over namelock cast to rightclick tele.
If you mess up the timing on shift then the teleport will fail. Makes it hard to use in combat if you are new to this tactic.
Yes and you can rightclick namelock tele from the namelock established off leftclick (while you are running at them)
In addition you can also tele asap off leftclick talon namelock (without moving towards the opponent) but it's much harder to time if you don't have practice doing it, hold shift while establishing namelock centerscreen, soon as opponent moves away and you want to tele on them, let go of shift press it again beforeyou start running at the opponent, and transfer over namelock cast to rightclick tele.
If you mess up the timing on shift then the teleport will fail. Makes it hard to use in combat if you are new to this tactic.
hmm I don't exactly know what you mean. Why should one press shift? Didn't get that. To avoid running after the opponent and risc free hits without clawblock? or ..?
If talon is to hard, try putting ww on there. Avoids loss of clawblock.
wizAdept
13-12-2006, 17:37
hmm I don't exactly know what you mean. Why should one press shift? Didn't get that. To avoid running after the opponent and risc free hits without clawblock? or ..?Ya pretty much, once you namelock someone with leftclick talon you start running at them. With good players that know to look for namelock, they will try to r/w down or try to tele under you as you tele at them from namelock, then shoot up, if you run at them as soon as you finish teleporting (since you renamelock with leftclick asap) you can run into projectiles.
Holding shift as you namelock will prevent you from running at the opponent, although you will do windup kicks in the air if they are out of range. Using shift this way you can get a namelock tele off without moving. I probably confused some people with the letting go of shift and pressing again, I just do that for safeguarding for the next namelock.
basically its the same technique as a normal teleport off a leftclick namelock but you have to time that you hit teleport right after the animation of the windup kick ends, or it will fail to cast.
Remember that holding shift for renamelocking center screen is mostly a countermeasure against people trying to counter your chain namelocking, (the other counter being that you just break namelock and re-engage opponent) so Im obviously not always using shift for chaining namelocks, just when I think it will help.
Ok thanks, that's what I thought too but I wasn't quite sure and a bit confused =)
Ty for explaining it again.
wizAdept
13-12-2006, 18:22
Sure np.
Also on a side note another use for holding shift is to fake people out, if you hold a leftclick namelock while opponent teles a screen or two away, stand still for a sec holding shift, then run at them 2 steps before the tele, chances are a lot of opponents will assume you lost namelock, and then you tele on them. :evil:
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