Rate My Sin

[BlackyMcBlack]

UsEast Ladder, Not finished completely Need trap claws.

SC's are 20/11 Fire Res 19/18/10 Anni 17/11 cold res,17/10 cold
res,2str/11cold res,3x plain 20 lifesc

Grandcharms and torch: http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6944/screenshot036uv7.jpg

Gear:
Gloves- Magefists
Belt- Arachs
Rings- 2x Soj's
Boots- 15/15 treks
Armor- 15%ed Mageplate enigma
40% Hoto
StormSheild socketed with 15Res/15%IAS Jewel
My circlet http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot039vt2.jpg
My Ammy http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7684/screenshot040dj8.jpg

My stats and damage with 5 bo cta - http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4889/screenshot038kg6.jpg

Let me know if you want to duel or any questions w/e

All is legit by the way.

[Smithenator]

Meh, I prefer c/c over ss/hoto any day, your circlet is ok but nothing special, your amulet is nice but not great, your gcs are pretty decent if they are all legit, and you are using a 5bo instead of a 6bo. I give a rating of 6.5/10, although I grade rather harshly, all depends on how well you duel.

[Arbedark]

Meh, 6ish out of 10.

Bad gear choices, un-needed IAS, wasted str, not brilliant GC's, too low mana.

[sphericalmiracle]

sorry to be negative, but this is another example of a pretty noobish build. Wasted stats here and there, unneeded points in the right side of the trap tree...ugh. If your point was to show off your "godleh" gear then good job. Otherwise your trapper looks unimpressive and would get pwned by a half decent dueler with the right gear.

[BlackyMcBlack]

sorry to be negative, but this is another example of a pretty noobish build. Wasted stats here and there, unneeded points in the right side of the trap tree...ugh. If your point was to show off your "godleh" gear then good job. Otherwise your trapper looks unimpressive and would get pwned by a half decent dueler with the right gear.

Wasted stat point?

Basically all of my stat points are in vit.

Un-needed skill points?

Yea ill put more in skills that are already maxed out.

I wasted a total of 3 oh no

Id still kill any of your chars.

And the only bad gear chocie is the hoto and SS until im able to find 3/3/2 trap claws.

so just becasue your chars suck don't complain in here

[Anti-Life]

if ur waiting for 2 3/3/2 claws then u have wasted alot of strength to use a SS then.

you will have to rebuild ur sin once u obtain those claws otherwise i got around 30-50 wasted points in strength.

also wasted points on right of traps also, may not be much but stiull wasted and possibly better spent on BOS or fade even to count blizz sorc cold peirce or grant more PDR from fade wen u no-longer are using ur SS


think long term not short term...like u have done

[Zalcitabine]

Funny that you say your gear is legit when you have not 2 but 3x 15res/15ias jewels plus dupewords ;)

[Arbedark]

Wasted stat point?

Basically all of my stat points are in vit.

Un-needed skill points?

Yea ill put more in skills that are already maxed out.

I wasted a total of 3 oh no

Id still kill any of your chars.

And the only bad gear chocie is the hoto and SS until im able to find 3/3/2 trap claws.

so just becasue your chars suck don't complain in here

Hah.

Then dont post "rate my build" threads if you can't accept that it's only a 6/10...

Cry more Kid :rolleyes:

Edit: also low life for pure vit character...

3.6K. Should be closer to 4.2k For a pure life trapper :smiley:

[sphericalmiracle]

What you should have done was titled this thread ''AMG GODLEH GEARS" just to show off the ridiculous gear you have. Clearly you have more of a penchant for getting good items than you do for actually building characters. Theres nothing wrong with that, its just amusing to see someone with an insanely expensive stuff that is clueless when it comes to making a sound pvp character.

Im sorry that you didnt get all the applause and complements that you were expecting when you posted your 'oh so godleh' trapper.

[Bliphgar]

so just becasue your chars suck don't complain in here
You don't DESERVE to be rated with that attitude, you little prick.

[MaG_Thunder]

when I see nice gear, poor player i think eBay

[BlackyMcBlack]

when I see nice gear, poor player i think eBay

heh I have never spent a single dollar on this game besides purchasing it in the first place.

And this thread was meant to rate my gear..

[Arbedark]

heh I have never spent a single dollar on this game besides purchasing it in the first place.

And this thread was meant to rate my gear..

And we rated your gear. At 6/10. Due to the fact that its a pretty noobish setup. Including massive waste of skills etc.

If you can't accept that then thats your problem.

[HappyAssassin]

Id still kill any of your chars.

And the only bad gear chocie is the hoto and SS until im able to find 3/3/2 trap claws.

so just becasue your chars suck don't complain in here

If you're gonna ask for advise be prepared to accept it. That's what this forum is for. What, did you think you'd post and get 20 "zomg best sin gear ever!" responses?

The fact that you don't see the problems with your sin (low, low life for a start, my WWsin has as much life as yours with only 5 20 scs and a 3 lifers), and that you're going for 3/3/2s (as opposed the superior 2/3/2s) just shows that you don't really know what you're doing.

If you wanted to be impressive there should have been something other than 15/15 treks in the boot spot anyway.

[BlackyMcBlack]

If you're gonna ask for advise be prepared to accept it. That's what this forum is for. What, did you think you'd post and get 20 "zomg best sin gear ever!" responses?

The fact that you don't see the problems with your sin (low, low life for a start, my WWsin has as much life as yours with only 5 20 scs and a 3 lifers), and that you're going for 3/3/2s (as opposed the superior 2/3/2s) just shows that you don't really know what you're doing.

If you wanted to be impressive there should have been something other than 15/15 treks in the boot spot anyway.

Ok I would like to know How the hell is a 2/3/2 better than a 3/3/2

That doesnt make much sense at all to me.

And waht use water walks?

Oh wow a whole 65 more life

[Glorft]

You think 3/3/2s are better than 2/3/2s ? Let me tell you something kiddo - Damage isnt everything. I play a ww/ls hybrid - 3.3k ww / 6.3k ls and i still beat more than 4/5 of the players i confront without a gear change . But what am i doing on this topic loosing my time explaining to some rich kid who thinks he's god...

[wizAdept]

Lol Blacky you were just asking to be flamed in how you respond to critisim.

I'll give it a 5/10 because its an average trapsin build, nothing spectacular, nothing really bad either.

Honestly what really seperates the good trappers from the pubs is gameplay, give a competent player (fast namelocker, aggressive player with an understanding of how to play def) an asn build thats half that of your character, and that asn should be able to wreck public games. Hard to judge how good of an asn you have by build alone without knowing how you play it. I've seen asns geared worse than you play exceptionally well, and seen rich players with better builds suck at gameplay.

In terms of build alone, it's not too impressive.
vita w/s trappers can go above 4.6k+ hp, I've seen w/s max block ss trappers with 3.7k+ hp.
If you choose to switch to c/c, you might as well rebuild your asn. At the moment though the setup is fine for pubbing if you don't want to invest too much into this asn.

Personally I like w/s trappers over c/c, but that's going offtopic, c/c is powerful in its own way. imho 2/3/2 claws outshine 3/3/2, but I've seen some trappers play very well with 3/3/2, once again it's in the gameplay.

[BlackyMcBlack]

You think 3/3/2s are better than 2/3/2s ? Let me tell you something kiddo - Damage isnt everything. I play a ww/ls hybrid - 3.3k ww / 6.3k ls and i still beat more than 4/5 of the players i confront without a gear change . But what am i doing on this topic loosing my time explaining to some rich kid who thinks he's god...


1. i dont care about your wwsin becasue im not a ww sin
2.Id rather take 1 more skill if i can than not, am I wrong?

[wizAdept]

2.Id rather take 1 more skill if i can than not, am I wrong?Weigh the benefits and make your choice on what is more important to your setup:
3/3/2 claws: 2 levels higher ls
2/3/2 claws: +4 weaponblock/mindblast/fade

Which is more beneficial to your character overall? +2 skills worth more damage or more freedom with skill points in the shadow tree. (meaning you can put more in mindblast or have higher weaponblock%)

[MortIIs]

I won't discuss your stats but your gear. Seems nice, amu is total crap tho. Get one with +2 overall like some people already pointed out. Second stats or life/mana on such an amu are always nice. Yours has little stats but huge res.

[Arbedark]

1. i dont care about your wwsin becasue im not a ww sin
2.Id rather take 1 more skill if i can than not, am I wrong?

1. No one here cares about your crap attitude towards the more respected members here.

I'm assuming you posted your build here because you actually wanted it rated.

Well its been rated, and not very highly. Instead of flaming people why not take their advice? Or ask where you're builds wrong?

[DarkSeraph]

hey... im curious. how old are you? (no really, I want to know.)

[Glorft]

Arb don't bother . I have stopped fighting for lost causes long ago and for me this is the case here. The kid has the right to think , talk , do whatever it wants - the attitude is because of the age . He doesnt want advice - he wants somebody to admire him but he hasnt chosen the right place to find the people . His mistake.

[Silent Shaddow]

dude, think about what ur saying here... uve come looking to show off and instead uve got nothing to show off and instead uve been given advice on how to make it BETTER...

instead of flaming this thread perphaps u could accept others advice, uve put alot into this build and ur just ready to give up on making it even better?

if u spend some time around here, and you should (we all are still learning new things) then ull see uve called some of the most respected players around here noobs. u only need to take into account that happy assasin has written several guides and that it might be feasable that happy knows what s/he is talking about..
2/3/2s are better, and you have wasted stat points,
plz about everything else read guides in the stickies, your 'perfect legit gear' wont stand for anything if u cant duel effectively with ur assa...

so plz, decide on w/s or c/c (but bear in mind ull prob have 2 rebuild for c/c), read the guides, check ur gear set up, go through your breakpoints IAS/FCR/FHR/FRW, check your hotkeys are in order and easy for you to use, perphaps search youtube for vids, find friends/people willing to help you out and practice...

and still expect to lose,

[BlackyMcBlack]

dude, think about what ur saying here... uve come looking to show off and instead uve got nothing to show off and instead uve been given advice on how to make it BETTER...

instead of flaming this thread perphaps u could accept others advice, uve put alot into this build and ur just ready to give up on making it even better?

if u spend some time around here, and you should (we all are still learning new things) then ull see uve called some of the most respected players around here noobs. u only need to take into account that happy assasin has written several guides and that it might be feasable that happy knows what s/he is talking about..
2/3/2s are better, and you have wasted stat points,
plz about everything else read guides in the stickies, your 'perfect legit gear' wont stand for anything if u cant duel effectively with ur assa...

so plz, decide on w/s or c/c (but bear in mind ull prob have 2 rebuild for c/c), read the guides, check ur gear set up, go through your breakpoints IAS/FCR/FHR/FRW, check your hotkeys are in order and easy for you to use, perphaps search youtube for vids, find friends/people willing to help you out and practice...

and still expect to lose,
I think I duel pretty well with her besides from sorbers and a few otehr classes

[Lord Nyax]

Ugh, this thread disgusts me. Arbedark, for someone with nearly 4k posts you should be ashamed. All of you need to step back and see what the hell someone would make a thread like this for: they need a critique. Coming in and saying "Wow, you didn't make a very good Assassin. You didn't put every single skill point into the "godly skills". Oh, and even though I don't know what your GCs are, they suck. And your stats suck too. In fact, I bet you're a twelve year old who buys his stuff on E-Bay." isn't going to go over well.

Blacky, I've dueled with you a bit and I can tell you that you need a little practice and that's about it. C/C trappers will overall be far more powerful, and once you find your claws you can go ahead and remake your assassin to be however perfect these guys think it needs to be.

I do recommend you go with +2 claws, for reasons stated. It's an incredibly waste to have to spend points into Claw Block, and having the +4 all can help out immensely in that aspect.

Make sure you are hitting BPs. If you're gonig over or under you're wasting time, money, and equipment slots. In reality it won't make that much of a difference, but every little bit helps.

In conclusion, I want to say that I'm not very pleased with what I've seen in this thread. I guess I'm spoiled because I usually only read threads that interest me (I actually only read this because Blacky made it) and they're usually filled with useful information by people that think about what they're posting before hitting the "Submit" button.

P.S.: I'd like to thank MortIIs and wizAdept for making intelligent replies. You guys rock. Blacky, you didn't handle the idiocy so well, so in reality I can understand why some of these people decided to...well, you get the picture.

[Waldodanto]

btw, you should get something besides magefists also.... how do those help a trapper?

[Arbedark]

Ugh, this thread disgusts me. Arbedark, for someone with nearly 4k posts you should be ashamed. All of you need to step back and see what the hell someone would make a thread like this for: they need a critique. Coming in and saying "Wow, you didn't make a very good Assassin. You didn't put every single skill point into the "godly skills". Oh, and even though I don't know what your GCs are, they suck. And your stats suck too. In fact, I bet you're a twelve year old who buys his stuff on E-Bay." isn't going to go over well.

Blacky, I've dueled with you a bit and I can tell you that you need a little practice and that's about it. C/C trappers will overall be far more powerful, and once you find your claws you can go ahead and remake your assassin to be however perfect these guys think it needs to be.

I do recommend you go with +2 claws, for reasons stated. It's an incredibly waste to have to spend points into Claw Block, and having the +4 all can help out immensely in that aspect.

Make sure you are hitting BPs. If you're gonig over or under you're wasting time, money, and equipment slots. In reality it won't make that much of a difference, but every little bit helps.

In conclusion, I want to say that I'm not very pleased with what I've seen in this thread. I guess I'm spoiled because I usually only read threads that interest me (I actually only read this because Blacky made it) and they're usually filled with useful information by people that think about what they're posting before hitting the "Submit" button.

P.S.: I'd like to thank MortIIs and wizAdept for making intelligent replies. You guys rock. Blacky, you didn't handle the idiocy so well, so in reality I can understand why some of these people decided to...well, you get the picture.

Title = Rate My Sin

I did just that. I RATED his Sin...

I even went so far as to explain WHY he got the rating.

Now if you feel the need to stick up for your "friend", when he clearly can't accept the fact that people were doing just what his post asked for, then thats your perogative.

[Rabbitz]

Arbs, stop using big words :(

Either way, checking the ss as we speak.

[tinncann25]

woah, since when did hoto/ss builds get criticized like this.

Hoto adds resis, ss adds the pdr and resis that is essential to make a trapsin that can live through a few hits and still deal out damage.

I completely support blacky on this build, i would really wana see some of ur cookie cutter geared sins duel his sin.

[tinncann25]

btw, you should get something besides magefists also.... how do those help a trapper?

you obviously do not kno how to play a trapper. MB and teleport are both dependent on fcr. Before you critisize gear choices you should understand how the build works.

[Rabbitz]

Erm, Hoto//Ss Is the cookie cutterer version of the build.

If youre not a fire trapper, magefist arent superior to Trang gloves.

[tinncann25]

the difference between trangs and mage is preference

don't try to argue that the cr is important because its not needed in his build.

EDIT:

i just finished reading this thread and i am disgusted by all of your attitudes. We are here to criticize his build, criticism does not need to have the attitude that your posts do. The words noob, ebay, suck should never be in a post designed to help the thread author. Blacky is an experienced player and has given a lot back to the community in the East Trade forum. You guys criticize him for using bad word choice in his posts, but his word choice is due to all of your flame posts.

[Rabbitz]

Erm, werent res vital just a few posts back?

[tinncann25]

Erm, werent res vital just a few posts back?

Resistance is extremely vital, cold resistance is important because of blizz sorcs and orbers, but he has already had stacked small charms for cr.

trangs
Defense: 67-74 (varies)(Base Defense: 37-44)
Required Level: 45
Required Strength: 58
Durability: 16
+20% Faster Cast Rate
Cold Resist +30%
+30 Defense
+25% Poison Skill Damage
+2 To Curses (Necromancer Only)

Magefists
Defense: 24-25 (varies)(Base Defense: 9-11)
Required Level: 23
Required Strength: 45
Durability: 18
+20-30% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+10 Defense
+1 To Fire Skills
20% Faster Cast Rate
Regenerate Mana 25%
Adds 1-6 Fire Damage
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

The regen rate in magefists and the 30% cold resistance is a choice of preferance.

[Rabbitz]

His trapper would have what, 600 mana TOPS.

25% mana regen, unless he's a poor overly defensive dueler, duels aint going to last long enough.

[TheBe]

don't try to argue that the cr is important because its not needed in his build.

Resistance is extremely vital, cold resistance is important because of blizz sorcs and orbers,

Funny:rolleyes: . Anyway, why you actually need that mana regen? Don't you think that mana pots are enought for you?

[tinncann25]

Funny:rolleyes: . Anyway, why you actually need that mana regen? Don't you think that mana pots are enought for you?

I love how you dont include the last part of my quote. thats funny too =P

[Waldodanto]

Well tinn, maybe you see a little better why I dont think magefists are a great choice for a trapsin, and rabbitz did a great job explaining it. None of magefists' mods are that impressive, and while a defense could be made if you were using wizardspike (which would increase the effectiveness of the regen and give you enough resists to offset the loss from trangs), he isnt using wiz spike. And please dont call me a noob for thinking wiz is a good switch to use with MB... unless you are planning to kill the person with your MB, the +skills isnt all that important when you have them locked.
And please, if you are going to come in here defending the poster and villifying the people who blindly accused him of not understanding a build, don't turn around and do it to me.

[tinncann25]

Well tinn, maybe you see a little better why I dont think magefists are a great choice for a trapsin, and rabbitz did a great job explaining it. None of magefists' mods are that impressive, and while a defense could be made if you were using wizardspike (which would increase the effectiveness of the regen and give you enough resists to offset the loss from trangs), he isnt using wiz spike. And please dont call me a noob for thinking wiz is a good switch to use with MB... unless you are planning to kill the person with your MB, the +skills isnt all that important when you have them locked.
And please, if you are going to come in here defending the poster and villifying the people who blindly accused him of not understanding a build, don't turn around and do it to me.

I did miss understood ur post, i believe that you questioned his magefist choice because you did not kno that trapsins need fcr.

Maybe next time you should suggest a more viable glove choice.

[TheBe]

But you never answered my question :D

[Arbedark]

woah, since when did hoto/ss builds get criticized like this.

Hoto adds resis, ss adds the pdr and resis that is essential to make a trapsin that can live through a few hits and still deal out damage.

I completely support blacky on this build, i would really wana see some of ur cookie cutter geared sins duel his sin.

Its not Hoto/SS which gets critized like this.

Its the RATE MY SIN title, combined with rating his gear choices (no CBF, 2 sojs = wtf?, SSTreks, +3 Traps instead of +2 all, sub-par amulet, wasted str, 0 dex (only reason to go SS is for block on a trapper)), and then his extremely childish attitude to having people rate his gear which has lead to this thread.

"cookie cutter geared sins"...Sorry but THAT is a cookie cutter geared sin. A decent sin uses 2/3/2's with a -30 base (GT's preferably), FHR / Res boots, 2/20/2 with innate res Circ, 10 FCR - Stat - All Res - Mana ring, Raven (CBF is needed for a sin in all round duelling), 4k+ life, a larger mana pool...

Before he started insulting us peopler were being nice and honest. The whole "all your chars suck" thing kinda prooves he's an idiot who was attempting to boast.

[Glorft]

Truthfully i cant understand why this tread stays still open and we are discussing the kid's build when he isnt even reading what is being written . Tin - you are dissapointed of us and our attitude but first of all - see how your friend Blacky is speaking . Is that normal ? And one more thing ... Is it your job to criticize the other people on the forum with that kind of attitude ?

[BlackyMcBlack]

Truthfully i cant understand why this tread stays still open and we are discussing the kid's build when he isnt even reading what is being written . Tin - you are dissapointed of us and our attitude but first of all - see how your friend Blacky is speaking . Is that normal ? And one more thing ... Is it your job to criticize the other people on the forum with that kind of attitude ?

You guys started the criticism sorry but im not going to ***** out and say nothing back to you I wasn't raised like that.

And Arbekek I have been looking for a 2/20/2 circ and 2/3/2 claws for months now. If you could find me some I would glady overpay for them, its not my fault I can't find items to use anywhere, does it make me a bad player becasue I can't find something? I didn't think so.

Thanks for defending me jieshi.

Im a very genrous person and have gien alot to my friends jut looking for some help for assassin and people like you guys come in and flame, it's very childish

[Rabbitz]

Erm.

Explain youre instant flaming when people are just giving out their honest opinion. You asked for a rating. They gave one to you whether you like it or not.

[Arbedark]

You guys started the criticism sorry but im not going to ***** out and say nothing back to you I wasn't raised like that.

And Arbekek I have been looking for a 2/20/2 circ and 2/3/2 claws for months now. If you could find me some I would glady overpay for them, its not my fault I can't find items to use anywhere, does it make me a bad player becasue I can't find something? I didn't think so.

Thanks for defending me jieshi.

Im a very genrous person and have gien alot to my friends jut looking for some help for assassin and people like you guys come in and flame, it's very childish

Dude I could find a 2/20/2 within 1 day on Europe, and 2/3/2 claws only take like a week to find each...

As for starting criticism. DONT MAKE A FREAKING RATE MY SIN POST IF YOU CANT TAKE CRITICISM!

This thread is ASKING for criticism...

[TheBe]

Im a very genrous person and have gien alot to my friends jut looking for some help for assassin and people like you guys come in and flame, it's very childish
I think most of us have given items to our friends and so, but your attitude here is far from generous.

I think (like almost all who have posted here) that if you make this kind of "rate my sin" thread, you should be able to face the critisism that you can get. And it's not always bad thing to hear critisism. You can LEARN of it, and so you can build even better sin/whatever.

[BlackyMcBlack]

Dude I could find a 2/20/2 within 1 day on Europe, and 2/3/2 claws only take like a week to find each...

As for starting criticism. DONT MAKE A FREAKING RATE MY SIN POST IF YOU CANT TAKE CRITICISM!

This thread is ASKING for criticism...

The thing is this is not on Europe
East is very different than Europe is way better.

I could get 2/3/2 clawxs Right this second if I wanted but they are duped, Im looking for legit claws same goes for the circlet.

And yea its made for criticism but you don't have to be an *** about it.


im done with this thread.

[TheBe]

And yea its made for criticism but you don't have to be an *** about it.


im done with this thread.
Look at the first page, and see who started this whole thing.. (I mean that "*****" talking..

[Rabbitz]

2/20/2.. duped.. damn :/

No-body has been an *** about it since you talked smack.

[Glorft]

Whatever . He starts a thread where criticism is involved and cant cope with the fact that people dont think his build is awsome / godly . Then starts flaming around and after that wants to make people believe that they had done wrong and the whole fuzzing and buzzing was cause of them . Im speechless. Whatever...

[TheRisingX]

There are errors and flaws in the build. There are some good items. But thats not the point. His attitude is just terrible.

[Naliworld]

sphericalmiracle/Arbedark: Even if Black did make some bad gear/stat choices, that's no reason to start with the snide comments. When half of your post is dedicated to deriding the Black's PvP skills (which are completely irrelevant to this discussion) instead of showing exactly how his build is lacking, it's clear you're just flamebaiting him.

BlackyMcBlack: As one of the opening posters said, if you start a "Rate My Sin" thread, it's natural to expect some criticism on your build. Yet you started off outright rejecting any of the criticism you got instead of defending your build. Given the time that some posters actually took the time to look through your build and comment without adding unnecessary comments, they deserve a better response.

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*sigh* Why do Rate my Sin threads always end up like this. Either way, consider this your first warning, sphericalmiracle/Arbedark. Another one of these incidents from either of you and it's a 3 day ban from the forums. That goes also for those helpful one-liner people like Bliphgar, MaG_Thunder, DarkSeraph and Glorft. If you have nothing to say about improving Black's build, keep your mouth shut so you can save us all the bandwidth, thanks.

[Speedasin]

I'm ashamed of everybody! *puts guilt trip on you*

I'm trying to avoid studying for my last final at all costs.

[Apophis]

haha,when tinn came in the people were giving questions nice and clear...what a world .. :))

[adecoy]

i saw a rate my sin post, was gonna post my sin, cause im kinda confused about it, dies to furry wookies and fallen, but now im afraid to!

[BananaPancakes]

omg, guys just let the thread die. posting stuff like that isn't helping