Last Wish PB VS Grief PB

[Akiraprise]

What is better for a zealer?

What is better for a smiter?

and why?

[Arutha]

Last wish isnt so hot for a zealer, it just doesnt do alot of dmg compared to other weapons. And for a smiter alot of people use grief and alot of people use last wish, its really going to depend on the rest of your gear. Personally I like grief on a smiter as you can get %cb, life tap, fade, and might from other gear but the massive dmg grief adds for smite is unique.

[GoFoh]

grief > lw

because of the damage simply

[HipHopAnon]

I'm thinking abot building a 1 point smiter for uber runs. Which is pretty much a zealout that smites.

I'm torn between useing lastwish + upped hoz or Greif + exile.

Is it just me or does this tend to change helm choice as well? Greif -> Guillams, LW -> andys? (That's what I see most smiters use anyway.)

o_O I guess I could use them both since I odn't plan on many +all skills and my javazon friend has like a level 20 BO.

:'( It's all so confusing.

[AnimeCraze]

Why Andy's when you want to kill ubers...... I am lost there. I mean, something like Kira's might be a better choice.

[maxusmag]

its all personal preference.

i have a lw zerk and it does perfectly fine in the game with zeal and for smite.

plus with gores you no longer have to worry about cb and can focus on other things.

only thing with the zerk is the repair costs, but still not as bad as my ap nigma. ugg horrible repair costs.

[Cheesehed]

last wish is very overpriced for how good it is

[HipHopAnon]

Why Andy's when you want to kill ubers...... I am lost there. I mean, something like Kira's might be a better choice.

I know next to nothing about smite gear, so I went with what I saw when two guys where comparing gear.

The whole Greif v LW, Hoz v Exile, CoH v Fort thing makes it a bit confusing to me.

[maxusmag]

you are going to get 1000 replies as to why this is better than that as well.

you are just going to have to sit down and compare the two.

if you go with last wish and gores you don't need the face or any other cb.
along with dracs you don't need exile.

if you go with grief then you need face, gores, and something else with cb. plus you need exile and dracs

COH gives +skills which is always good and good res

fort gives extra damage and res

really its all about what you can afford. this is one of the most expensive builds in the game.

[RequiemDeath]

This isn't the most expensive build... It can be though...

Your choice should depend on a few things...

What can you afford?

What are you going to be using this character for?

If you are going for plain ole PvM, then try a few different combos of armors and weapons and see what you like better... My non ladder zeal/smiter/uber killer doesn't use the recomended gear... I use what works for me... I can take anything out in the game, including DClone and all the Ubers, and with some small equipment changes, I can hold my own in PvP...

My ladder zeal/smite/uber killer has a few variations due to the avalible ladder only rune words... Last Wish PB is his primary weapon... With all the CB, he kills fast... Fort helps with the added damage... When fighting the ubers, I zeal to get the life tap started, then hotkey to smite for the extra CB and extra Open Wounds... After CB becomes ineffective, I do a weapon switch to his Grief PB... Raw damage deals the fatal blow... Again, this isn't the recomended set up exactly, but it works very well... In fact, it's down right overkill... But, it's still fun to me!

As for which one is better, I say they are even, and both have their uses... The above is my use for those rune words, and it works very well for me... Try a few different set ups, and see what you like better... With the way the 1pt smiter is built, all you need is to switch out the right equipment, and your set for PvP too!

*Requiem_Death

[mainaman]

for ubering and pvm in general lw is better weapon
for pvp grief hands down
as for shield hoz =best choice

[DirtyDthelumberjack]

havnt used lw during ubers but ive rocked grief and it just destorys the ubers its not even hard at all imo

[ScarX]

Grief is Great for both smite and zeal. GRIEF WINS!!!! WOOOOO!!!! :jig: :flip: :tongue: .....ok im done :lipsrsealed:

[Demonic Angel Rules]

Grief = Damage
Last Wish = Survibility
Thats pretty much it in a nut shell. Grief will make u do WAY WAY more damage with both zeal and smite. + with Grief zeal needs no AR.

With Last wish life tap will cast over and over. But damage is kinda bad and you need AR. O and smite doent get that nice bonus with LW as it does with Grief. This makes them even execpt for 1 small problem

Grief cost you a little to get.
While LW cost you a arm and a leg and your left !@#

So Grief to me wins but if you got LW be happy you cant lose either way

[mainaman]

Grief = Damage
Last Wish = Survibility
Thats pretty much it in a nut shell. Grief will make u do WAY WAY more damage with both zeal and smite. + with Grief zeal needs no AR.

With Last wish life tap will cast over and over. But damage is kinda bad and you need AR. O and smite doent get that nice bonus with LW as it does with Grief. This makes them even execpt for 1 small problem

Grief cost you a little to get.
While LW cost you a arm and a leg and your left !@#

So Grief to me wins but if you got LW be happy you cant lose either waythats what 70%+ cb are for
u cant do well on a pvp smiter in uber tristram just because its completely different build

[skDynasty]

I just want to know...for JUST DClone....which is the better wep choice, LW or grief?

[AnimeCraze]

There is no right answer, it depends on the rest of your gear. Regardless, he falls fast like a puppy to either weapon.

[skDynasty]

Hmm...well lets just say that im waering guills face+gores for 50%cb.
Which would kill dclone "quicker"?

[SmiterMcZealot]

in that case definitely go with grief, part of LW's advantage is the fade and massive CB, neither of which is needed against DClone with 50 cb already.

[bkwong]

I prefer LW for ubers, since you're pretty much invincible with it since it casts Life tap so much. In addition you get massive resists from fade when it casts. It's also does good damage (though not as good as Grief) due to the 60-70 cb and the might aura.

I think Grief is better for everything else due to its massive damage. HOWEVER if you got a really good Exile (keep in mind a good ethereal one with resists would be way more expensive then a LW), you should definately use Grief... the Lifetap from Exile is sufficient.

If I had a 40+ res ethereal elite Exile, I would go with Grief for ubers too.

[PlayWithHonor]

In general, Grief is better for Ubers.

1 - Grief is MUCH cheaper than Last Wish. Only way your getting Last Wish is if your using duped runes... with a lucky rune drop you can actually make a legit Grief.
2 - LT Proc can be gotten from Dracs
3 - LT charges can be gotten from Marrowalks if you don't want to wait for Dracs to proc (no weapon switch needed for this)
4 - Guils has all the CB you need
5 - Grief's massive damage makes you leach back insane amounts of life.... even when using a 1 pt smiter build and not using Fanatacism
6 - Grief makes it much easier to kill the minions
7 - Fade can be prebuffed from Treachery... its a higher level Fade than you get from LW by the way.
8 - Dracs has all the OW you need
9 - Grief makes the last part of the fight go MUCH faster than LW does.


#5 is probably the most overlooked benefit from using Grief. You don't need to Smite at max frame rates using Grief cuz each hit fulls your life bulb to the max.

[skDynasty]

If i was using grief, wut shield would u prefer overall?

[batuchka]

I concur with PlayWithHonor - last pally i had before retiring was a fanatic zealot with grief. He didn't have exile though but i used dracs for the lifetap and upped HOZ :P Bosses were a joke and i smite them to death hehe On switch i had 'Spirit' res all sacred targe + 'Passion' cryptic sword for those PI/IM moments :P
Reason for sacred targe: highest blocking elite pally shield and cryptic sword is -10 speed ^^ This combo ensures +skill/fhr for beserking :P

[rukz]

I agree, I have a level 86 1 Pt Smiter build for ubers I used to ahve:

LW PB / Upped Hoz
Grief PB / Exile

And I've done runs with both and LW kills faster iniatially but near the end of the ubers life it takes so long.. I have since traded my exile and LW and use the following for uber runs and do them with ease:

Gface
Maras
Ravenfrost
Rare dual leech
String of Ears
CoH
Grief
Upped Hoz
Gore Riders
Dracs

I use salvation on meph and for the rest just fanata and smite, on and use a CTA as well but the first time I tried ubers with my paladin i was so scared - the forums made it seem so 'difficult' - i actually found it quite easy, so long as you pull correctly. For what its worth if you had to absolutely pick one i'd go with Grief over Last Wish.. if y ou can afford both and want the fastest killing time, use LW till the uber has 1/4 life then switch to Grief. But the difference in killing time is nearly negligible and not worth it (for me) to switch weaps, i prefer to have CTA/Lidless/spirit on switch..

[AnimeCraze]

The people making the guides never made it seem difficult, it's the people who are asking the questions. I mean, come on, if a lightsaber can do the job, it can't be that difficult, can it?

[rukz]

its true its not the people making the guides its the people asking the questions but i did say "the forums" :P

[Apophis]

BTW:http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=483252

[Clervis]

Anyone consider using stormlash or shaefer's for the static field?

[Arutha]

Anyone consider using stormlash or shaefer's for the static field?

Last season I had a smiter that used stormlash on the ubers, it worked fine but I like grief/g face/goblin toe better for sure.

[LordApophios]

Time for my $0.02, I guess.. although I'm only able to comment on the zealot side of this, cuz that's what I have.

Lvl 90
Max Zeal
Max Sacrifice
Max Fanat
Max HS
~10 Salvation
Some in Defiance (can't remember right off)

1os low CoA w/ um
LW pb w/ 70cb
Up'd HoZ /w um
LoH
ap Fort with 1.25 life, 30 res
2/2 Seraph's
Up'd Gores
6/5/2 CtA+Spirit on switch
x4 50pdsc/w other damge mods
x2 100pdsc
x2 177psdc with minor mods
x1 313pdsc
x3 175pd lc
x4 other elly dam sc's

I haven't actually tried soloing Tristram yet, but I'm reasonably certain after having slaughtered the mini-bosses in about 3min each, it should be no serious effort, although even with the amount of elly damage I produce from charms, I don't deal with phys. imms quickly. A Tristram specter or dark lord takes about 30 secs per mob for this char, but I can drop the multi-immune pitlords in 3-4 zeals.

My personal observation is that LW is awesome in PvM, provided you don't require elemental damage; my zealot is in the high 3k range on damage, and simply doesn't produce enough elemental damage to effectively combat phys. imms. His merc, on the other hand, does a phenominal job on most mobs, using an Eth Thresher Obedience, a 2/10 Ral'd Andy's, and an ebug ap fort, coming out with 1.8k-10.9k damage after proccing the enchant.

I'll say this... I've tried grief, Botd pb, and LW, and my personally preference is the lw, for the extra damage I get spawning might. I find between the might and the Fanat, I produce enough damage at high enough speed to be pretty scary.

[AnimeCraze]

1 point scantuary and you can drop the dark lords in 2 seconds.