crapwolves vs barb

[morotsjos]

since all bigmouths suddenly disappeared i know i wont get any replies from people i dont already know but here goes:

since wolves are the most worthless pathetic garbage excuse for a pvp class ever invented i will 20-0 every useless wolf in europe with my barb designed to kill casters. i prefer 7 at the time. ladder or nl, you pick. in nl i can also humiliate you with ghost/nec/hammer. post/pm here or pm GIFF @ d2jsp.

[jsyou]

dont forget videos lmao

[rikkitan]

since all bigmouths suddenly disappeared i know i wont get any replies from people i dont already know but here goes:

since wolves are the most worthless pathetic garbage excuse for a pvp class ever invented i will 20-0 every useless wolf in europe with my barb designed to kill casters. i prefer 7 at the time. ladder or nl, you pick. in nl i can also humiliate you with ghost/nec/hammer. post/pm here or pm GIFF @ d2jsp.

as discussed in the other thread, will you or your mom operate the barb?

[morotsjos]

as discussed in the other thread, will you or your mom operate the barb?

irrelevant since any 3-year old can kill wolves with barb.

[Flayed One]

you still dodge my granma and her skilless melee sorceres...

[blobswannabe]

you still dodge my granma and her skilless melee sorceres...

Man are you mentally impaired? This is a challenge thread either post your account and duel him or don't embarrass yourself here by proving you are a dodger. It's funny how ladder werewolf fanboys freak out at the slightest hint that NL > ladder or werewolves aren't godly, yet they are no where to be found neither in this thread or in my west NL vs ladder thread.

[Flayed One]

whatever dude. Im out of the whole mess. was fun to make fun of you for a while, but it actually blows. Im a dodger because I play single player currently. Since I play sp I'm not a "ladder werewolf fanboy". I'm actually even not a werewolf fanboy. It blows you guys got involved in this whole thing - you won't get many more duels this way, and you lost a lot of credibility. Have fun, and good luck in duels.

[jsyou]

you still dodge my granma and her skilless melee sorceres...




whatever dude. Im out of the whole mess. was fun to make fun of you for a while, but it actually blows. Im a dodger because I play single player currently. Since I play sp I'm not a "ladder werewolf fanboy". I'm actually even not a werewolf fanboy. It blows you guys got involved in this whole thing - you won't get many more duels this way, and you lost a lot of credibility. Have fun, and good luck in duels.


lmao..ddddd

[Ink]

Dear morot,

If you have access to a ladder uswest BvC that wants to die 100-0 to my werewolf on west ladder, pm me here, as I play the relivedgaming server most of the time now and am hardly on bnet.

Also, if you don't have that, I will take great personal pleasure in making a BvC to your personal standards and shipping it over to you so we can duel on Open, and again, I can mow your duel weild crap barb into the ground.

Let's get a few things straight here:

Werewolves have a physical attack, which puts them over anything that does elemental or poison damage exclusively, as those can be negated. That means wolves are by default better at pvp than at least one entire class. Why not attack sorceresses instead of wolves?

Wolves have to run, which means they are pretty much going to lose to anything that is ranged, teleports, and does physical or magical damage - that means a teleproting bow zon and a necromancer. This doesn't mean wind druids or hammerdins, as any decent werewolf has a 50% chance of winning a duel vs either of those which have to get someone within range to hit.

Wolves have a scaling 30-70+% chance of beating any melee class. This means ww barbs, which with a shield start at 30% chace, and scale up to dual weilders, zealots, and eventually kick sins being the easiest.

If you can refute any of that logically, without flaming, I would like to see it. Otherwise, let's get this on mon ami, I want to show you how to die.

[kvist1]

since wolves are the most worthless pathetic garbage excuse for a pvp class ever invented ..

just becouse shapers cant tele, you should abuse them? what you try to prove? that you are "gosu"? or barbs are "gosu"? what if barbs wasnt able to tele too? then they become garbage excuse for you too? yes shape druids sux without ability to teleport, but anyway you are retard, thanks.

when you will open next thread about how you "gosu" kill fohers and orbers with ele druid?

[morotsjos]

Dear morot,

If you have access to a ladder uswest BvC that wants to die 100-0 to my werewolf on west ladder, pm me here, as I play the relivedgaming server most of the time now and am hardly on bnet.

Also, if you don't have that, I will take great personal pleasure in making a BvC to your personal standards and shipping it over to you so we can duel on Open, and again, I can mow your duel weild crap barb into the ground.

Let's get a few things straight here:

Werewolves have a physical attack, which puts them over anything that does elemental or poison damage exclusively, as those can be negated. That means wolves are by default better at pvp than at least one entire class. Why not attack sorceresses instead of wolves?

Wolves have to run, which means they are pretty much going to lose to anything that is ranged, teleports, and does physical or magical damage - that means a teleproting bow zon and a necromancer. This doesn't mean wind druids or hammerdins, as any decent werewolf has a 50% chance of winning a duel vs either of those which have to get someone within range to hit.

Wolves have a scaling 30-70+% chance of beating any melee class. This means ww barbs, which with a shield start at 30% chace, and scale up to dual weilders, zealots, and eventually kick sins being the easiest.

If you can refute any of that logically, without flaming, I would like to see it. Otherwise, let's get this on mon ami, I want to show you how to die.

are you blind? exactly what in my post makes you think i care about west?
but ok, lets duel on open. i host of course since wwchars are way more sensitive to lag than anything else.
there is no need to lie btw. since when did wolves get 30%+ chance to beat 50k+ def desynch->telesmiters? we both know shapers cant touch any decent desynch hammer. even if you absorb enough to become immune to sorcs you cant catch anyone non-retard, not to mention how easily 95% es makes them escape basically unscratched if they screw up. you know all this so why imply otherwise?

tell me your timezone and when you have time and we'll work something out.

[morotsjos]

just becouse shapers cant tele, you should abuse them? what you try to prove? that you are "gosu"? or barbs are "gosu"? what if barbs wasnt able to tele too? then they become garbage excuse for you too? yes shape druids sux without ability to teleport, but anyway you are retard, thanks.

when you will open next thread about how you "gosu" kill fohers and orbers with ele druid?

you know nothing and obviously missed the last few discussions in this forum so just silence your illiterate mouth before embarassing yourself for real random.

[XDoomasX]

Fury < barbs, rabies/fury < barbs (if antidotes is alowed).
If antidotes is not alowed, it all comes down to lag and players skill.

My 2 cents.

[morotsjos]

Fury < barbs, rabies/fury < barbs (if antidotes is alowed).
If antidotes is not alowed, it all comes down to lag and players skill.

My 2 cents.

even if barb screws up and gets hit 85%+ res makes rabies worthless. of course the best wolf-players can kill mediocre/retarded barbs, that doesn't change the fact that wolves are horrible.

[moonlike]

even if barb screws up and gets hit 85%+ res makes rabies worthless. of course the best wolf-players can kill mediocre/retarded barbs, that doesn't change the fact that wolves are horrible.

death gloves -.-

[morotsjos]

death gloves -.-

not as effective since poison length starts at +100% in hell, and you could always get reinfected. +max psn res is the way to go.

[moonlike]

not as effective since poison length starts at +100% in hell, and you could always get reinfected. +max psn res is the way to go.

i always thought it somehow lowers dmg made in every sec also , when i dueled my friends psn java(he did 100k) without death gloves my life dropped really fast (i had 75 res and enough stacked for anya) but when i was using golves i had alot more time after i was poisoned (maybe it was just my imagination XD)

[Rabbitz]

Go read up how rabies works, -plr has no real use.

[Ink]

My point of course was that elemental and poison based attackers are obsolete in all out pvp.


Fury vs smite is heavily weighted for smite after 1.10, heavily for druid 1.10 and before.


blockless ww barb = 30% chance to kill a fury.

[Quietus]

blockless ww barb = 30% chance to kill a fury.

I'd agree with this, given equal gear and skill. Both should have 50% dr, either should have more than enough AR to hit the other (20kish on a good druid without angelics vs the 10k or so the barb would have, barb ... well, the barb will have plenty vs the piddling wolf defense). Barbs do less damage, 5kish per hit, wolves do about double that, hit slower though. Wolves, however, have the range advantage and the life advantage. If the wolf packs a sheild and the barb doesn't, I would say that that duel is weighted toward the druid.

I will say, though... put a sheild on the wwbarb, and the druid's chance of survival drops dramatically.

[Ink]

I'd agree with this, given equal gear and skill. Both should have 50% dr, either should have more than enough AR to hit the other (20kish on a good druid without angelics vs the 10k or so the barb would have, barb ... well, the barb will have plenty vs the piddling wolf defense). Barbs do less damage, 5kish per hit, wolves do about double that, hit slower though. Wolves, however, have the range advantage and the life advantage. If the wolf packs a sheild and the barb doesn't, I would say that that duel is weighted toward the druid.

I will say, though... put a sheild on the wwbarb, and the druid's chance of survival drops dramatically.

Exactly. A shield barb has a much greater chance of winning. Of course, I would be using cerebrus and trying to get an ow hit and wandering around hit wws in the meantime - trust me, it ain't that hard to walk around and break tri whirls. No serious dueler stands in place, and no serious fury wolf is without shift desynch techniques. I would say 80% of the argument favoring a BvC vs a shielded fury wolf is just wishful thinking.


morot, can you do me a favour and add TreesInFlames to aim or abraxasannihilation@hotmail to msn so that we can contact each other? I will be banned as a returned user within the next few hours, or whenever ToThePoint gets on to report me.

[Rabbitz]

What did you do to get banned?

[Ink]

What did you do to get banned?

I made a thread entitled : TMC BP MOD EXPOSED - it doesn't work.

What happened in that thread was me explaining to people about client side animations and how they don't effect server side except for desynching issues. Also in there was someone with a name similar to mine (inktank or something, I am inkanddagger) telling people to get the hack because it was the future, as I was telling people to avoid it as it was likely a keylog scam since it wouldnt do anything other than eye candy anyhow. However, Xircon in his unwillingness to sift through the 40 pages of raw material, banned us both assuming multiple user accounts. In fact, as a 5 year user and silver pal of these forums, he didn't even have enough respect to give me a reason for banning, as my ban log read: Banned, No reason. Elly didn't respond to my emails, Xircon didn't respond to my emails, and eventually it took someone else PMing another mod to learn why I had ever been banned at all. In their infinite wisdom, they decided not to unban me because it was too much of a hassle to give respect to a very old, informative contributer to the community.

[Rabbitz]

I made a thread entitled : TMC BP MOD EXPOSED - it doesn't work.

What happened in that thread was me explaining to people about client side animations and how they don't effect server side except for desynching issues. Also in there was someone with a name similar to mine (inktank or something, I am inkanddagger) telling people to get the hack because it was the future, as I was telling people to avoid it as it was likely a keylog scam since it wouldnt do anything other than eye candy anyhow. However, Xircon in his unwillingness to sift through the 40 pages of raw material, banned us both assuming multiple user accounts. In fact, as a 5 year user and silver pal of these forums, he didn't even have enough respect to give me a reason for banning, as my ban log read: Banned, No reason. Elly didn't respond to my emails, Xircon didn't respond to my emails, and eventually it took someone else PMing another mod to learn why I had ever been banned at all. In their infinite wisdom, they decided not to unban me because it was too much of a hassle to give respect to a very old, informative contributer to the community.

Thats wierd :/

[tmd turka]

I will say, though... put a sheild on the wwbarb, and the druid's chance of survival drops dramatically.



If I can I try to make a good BvB every ladder season. So Im all about using SS and getting nice defense.:thumbsup:

[Ink]

If I can I try to make a good BvB every ladder season. So Im all about using SS and getting nice defense.:thumbsup:


Generally speaking, vs shielded high defense barbs I have found that cerebrus and duress with angelics and enchant are the best combination. I am also a fan of using gris caddy vs shield barbs, as I find the faster attack useful for damage application, whereas vs a shieldless barb all-out damage per hit tends to work best, and 5 frame works just fine. A shielded BvB is the 3rd hardest duel for a fury druid. #1 would be a bone necro, as they can play defensively enough to never get even onscreen #2would be telesmite exile + dracs smiter. The duel kiba had with the telezon was sort of interesting, although there are things a druid can do to counter that. I don't really consider that duel representative, as running bow zons are easy prey for a feral rage druid with a namelock, and telezons...well let's just say I don't use the skill rabies because I know it can be negated and little things can sneak up on opponents. (zons = easy to dodge lock from afar)

[tmd turka]

This may be a dumb question but...

Why do shifters (for the most part) refuse to use widow maker? I mean its just so darn useful. I dont even consider my BvBs complete without one.

[Rabbitz]

Because..they need to unshift for it perhaps..

Besides its not like a simply switch that leaves em open for a sec or 2.

[dmngd]

I wanna see a video of 1v7 wolf pwn. xD

[caosini]

Generally speaking, vs shielded high defense barbs I have found that cerebrus and duress with angelics and enchant are the best combination. I am also a fan of using gris caddy vs shield barbs, as I find the faster attack useful for damage application, whereas vs a shieldless barb all-out damage per hit tends to work best, and 5 frame works just fine. A shielded BvB is the 3rd hardest duel for a fury druid. #1 would be a bone necro, as they can play defensively enough to never get even onscreen #2would be telesmite exile + dracs smiter. The duel kiba had with the telezon was sort of interesting, although there are things a druid can do to counter that. I don't really consider that duel representative, as running bow zons are easy prey for a feral rage druid with a namelock, and telezons...well let's just say I don't use the skill rabies because I know it can be negated and little things can sneak up on opponents. (zons = easy to dodge lock from afar)


how more ignorant can you get? wolfs will never get close to slow/kb bowazons, even with feral rage what will you do when you run out of stuff to charge in the bloodmore? once you get hit you will get slowed. whats the point of using a 4-5 range weapon when you never can hit and you wont have any block with it?

i have a access to a ladder bvb if your on west we can duel none stop to prove if wolfs have 30% to win or not vs shield barb like you said.

[caosini]

Generally speaking, vs shielded high defense barbs I have found that cerebrus and duress with angelics and enchant are the best combination. I am also a fan of using gris caddy vs shield barbs, as I find the faster attack useful for damage application, whereas vs a shieldless barb all-out damage per hit tends to work best, and 5 frame works just fine. A shielded BvB is the 3rd hardest duel for a fury druid. #1 would be a bone necro, as they can play defensively enough to never get even onscreen #2would be telesmite exile + dracs smiter. The duel kiba had with the telezon was sort of interesting, although there are things a druid can do to counter that. I don't really consider that duel representative, as running bow zons are easy prey for a feral rage druid with a namelock, and telezons...well let's just say I don't use the skill rabies because I know it can be negated and little things can sneak up on opponents. (zons = easy to dodge lock from afar)

you use enchant, barb use life tap. barb still> wolf any time any where

[Rabbitz]

Is this jysou again?

[caosini]

Is this jysou again?

yes, i wonder what will happend to me again.i cant believe i got ban for some crap like this.

of all the wolf lovers only ink have challenge to a open duel, if he got a ww on west ladder i will duel him nonestop to just prove him wrong.

[Rabbitz]

You will be banned again. Permanenly.

[caosini]

You will be banned again. Permanenly.

thats what my first ban says, ban will never be lifted. unless they somehow restrict access to register.

[tmd turka]

I thought maybe you could just reshift after using widow maker but I don't know about dueling with a wolf. The only shifter I ever put time into was a FC Bear. He was just a novelty build that I made for kicks.

[Rabbitz]

@ tmd : you wont have the time to do that

@ jsyou, you will be banned over and over and over till you get it. They ban a person, not an account ( not my words )

[caosini]

using on a widow is just crap on a wolf, not to mention you wont even have any ias or dmg spurt out fast enough.

@rabbitz of course i know that, but i can just lurk around with new accounts yeah? unless they ban every proxy in the world and restrict access from registering

[tmd turka]

K I understand. Like I said I don't know much about wolves.

[Rabbitz]

I dont know jsyou but, mods seem to have a method (proxi//ip detecting?) of returned bannees.

[caosini]

no, it willt take alot of time tracking a layer of proxies

[Silent Shaddow]

ok, that moment is past,:rolleyes:
typed it all out... felt better,
but really....
enough plz...

[Rabbitz]

Wow...

That made absolutly No sence.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

I'm a kiba supporter... but a wolf is still a useless build.

Sorcs can simply tele away...

I see no reason why they can't beat a barb though. Max block, good damage, max dr, crazy life, fast attack... Wolves are the perfect anti-melee.

[Rabbitz]

Because you will not land that hit the barb.

[Proxyi]

my vote for who will win is...









that every1 should shut up







you want see a druid beat bvcs? go watch kiba's videos...
u wanna see the other way round? go find some idoit to nk...
also lvl 50+ chars should beat lvl 31 chars everytime right?
wrong...
i do it...

who wins a duel depends entirely on nearly every variable in that paritcular game... if a lvl 99 trapsin dueled a lvl 9 char but the trapsin's traps only did ~10 light dmg everytime (possible) then whos going to win?

and for evens sakes nl vs l...
if u think you are better than the other then make a new char and TRY IT!

now can we plz stop with these threads?

:banghead: :censored:

*go off to find some annoying high lvl barb to stun lock and generally annoy*

I agree 110% with this.
Near everyone says that wolves are CRAP, USELESS, IZI, etc...

The truth is:Wolves are very-VERY underpowered by (the dear:grin: ) Blizzard.

BuT few ppl's try to make of them a GoOd dueler (like Kiba, Stoute,...) what is very hard. And as silent shaddow said: "if u think you are better than the other then make a new char and TRY IT!" .
And those Anti-Kiba thread's are very pathetic...1st try to make a wolf like Kiba then u can cry...

So:generally the wolves are crap, BUT there are few gozu Wolf's.

[ToThePoint]

I made a thread entitled : TMC BP MOD EXPOSED - it doesn't work.

What happened in that thread was me explaining to people about client side animations and how they don't effect server side except for desynching issues. Also in there was someone with a name similar to mine (inktank or something, I am inkanddagger) telling people to get the hack because it was the future, as I was telling people to avoid it as it was likely a keylog scam since it wouldnt do anything other than eye candy anyhow. However, Xircon in his unwillingness to sift through the 40 pages of raw material, banned us both assuming multiple user accounts. In fact, as a 5 year user and silver pal of these forums, he didn't even have enough respect to give me a reason for banning, as my ban log read: Banned, No reason. Elly didn't respond to my emails, Xircon didn't respond to my emails, and eventually it took someone else PMing another mod to learn why I had ever been banned at all. In their infinite wisdom, they decided not to unban me because it was too much of a hassle to give respect to a very old, informative contributer to the community.
actually the reason you are REALLY perm banned is because you made a second acc which is automatic perm ban and have been banned almost ten times since that first acc.
you seemed to think you were above the rules and didn't need to wait on an instant response to the mighty ink so made new acc.
had you not have made that acc and just waited like a reasonable guy and let the matter be investigated (someone pmed and got answer as you said) you'd still have been here most likely.

jsyou, i guess they dont need to go through many layers of proys to bann that acc as you just admitted you are returning bannee.

[taiga]

OT: To all of you posting here!
Always remember, if you are arguing with a idiot, he is doing the same... :laugh:

[remsy]

Why are these people never on useast ladder?

I want to see you 20-0 paracyte.

If you find a way to get on useast ladder, *remsee.

I will challenge all barbs.

Not saying I am the greatest but I will show that wolves aren't as bad as you think.

I don't need to flame because I prove pretty much everyday to different classes that wolves aren't duelers to take lightly.

Please, is anyone on useast and wants to duel my wolf?

[morotsjos]

My point of course was that elemental and poison based attackers are obsolete in all out pvp.


Fury vs smite is heavily weighted for smite after 1.10, heavily for druid 1.10 and before.


blockless ww barb = 30% chance to kill a fury.

personally i dont care much for "duels" where you are completely immune to your opponents attack but each to his own.

given equal gear and retardness shaper has 0% chance to win series of duels vs barb. feel free to pm me to discuss time etc.
edit: nvm i will harass you on msn instead =)
funny how i only got one single response from a wolf on us west, while i clearly saw the amount of blabbering euro druids here a month ago.

[morotsjos]

I'd agree with this, given equal gear and skill. Both should have 50% dr, either should have more than enough AR to hit the other (20kish on a good druid without angelics vs the 10k or so the barb would have, barb ... well, the barb will have plenty vs the piddling wolf defense). Barbs do less damage, 5kish per hit, wolves do about double that, hit slower though. Wolves, however, have the range advantage and the life advantage. If the wolf packs a sheild and the barb doesn't, I would say that that duel is weighted toward the druid.

I will say, though... put a sheild on the wwbarb, and the druid's chance of survival drops dramatically.

barb will always have greater chance to hit druid. 15k def > 2k. main reason to why barbs cant lose is of course superiority of whirlwind combined with fury being interruptable. using shield on barb is just dumb since you lose half your hits which makes it way harder to penetrate wolves+oak.

[Silent Shaddow]

lol,
the titles say crapwolves vs barbs....
erm...
yeah
kiba need not apply...

[Rabbitz]

Yes, and Im not sure if you know ink but his wolf is prolly quite equal to kibas :)

[morotsjos]

Yes, and Im not sure if you know ink but his wolf is prolly quite equal to kibas :)

i know that ink has used wolves for ages so there is no doubt that he plays better than kiba who didn't impress whatsoever in the vids. which suits me fine since i can just duel the best and get it over with.

[zeiris]

What are you trying to prove?

[Quietus]

barb will always have greater chance to hit druid. 15k def > 2k. main reason to why barbs cant lose is of course superiority of whirlwind combined with fury being interruptable. using shield on barb is just dumb since you lose half your hits which makes it way harder to penetrate wolves+oak.

The difference won't be all THAT large. I agree that the barb's AR is unimportant to hit the druid, but for a barb to pack 15k defense he'd have to have level 20ish iron skin and 40ish shout, assuming an elite enigma. Lower skills required if you use forti, of course. No reason not to in this duel, really.

However, the druid (assuming equal levels, druid 20k AR, barb 15k defense) will have a 57% chance to hit the barb. The barb (assuming 15k AR, and 3k defense druid) will have an 83% chance to hit, and a 75% chance the attack will be blocked. This means the barb's got a 21% chance to hit. Plus he can be hitting wolves, and oak, as you pointed out, so it's a real toss up.

[Rabbitz]

Hmm, wouldnt a neutral server be a better solution?

Not sure how to get one though. Or perhaps you serv the first game, him the second. Just elimination LAGG crys.

[XDoomasX]

Hmm, wouldnt a neutral server be a better solution?

Not sure how to get one though. Or perhaps you serv the first game, him the second. Just elimination LAGG crys.

yes, thats fairest option if there's no neutral host, by neutral I dont mean someone living next door.

[morotsjos]

The difference won't be all THAT large. I agree that the barb's AR is unimportant to hit the druid, but for a barb to pack 15k defense he'd have to have level 20ish iron skin and 40ish shout, assuming an elite enigma. Lower skills required if you use forti, of course. No reason not to in this duel, really.

However, the druid (assuming equal levels, druid 20k AR, barb 15k defense) will have a 57% chance to hit the barb. The barb (assuming 15k AR, and 3k defense druid) will have an 83% chance to hit, and a 75% chance the attack will be blocked. This means the barb's got a 21% chance to hit. Plus he can be hitting wolves, and oak, as you pointed out, so it's a real toss up.

yeah well numbers mean nothing anyway. number-wise smiters shouldn't lose to barbs ever, but still im probably the only one in this forum who thinks smiter>barb. point is that with ww you dont have to trade hits unless you play bad.

[morotsjos]

Hmm, wouldnt a neutral server be a better solution?

Not sure how to get one though. Or perhaps you serv the first game, him the second. Just elimination LAGG crys.

playing barb with >200 ping is pointless, even vs melee. and considering i have ~400 ping on bnet in europe atm i doubt it will be playable cross-atlantic.

[XDoomasX]

Im not into wolfs myself, but beating someone 20-0 while your hosting will prove nothing. Switching hosts is the way to go.

[morotsjos]

Im not into wolfs myself, but beating someone 20-0 while your hosting will prove nothing. Switching hosts is the way to go.

care? since there aren't a single wolf in europe who think they can score one kill in 20 duels 7v1 i might just as well check out ink. i dont expect anyone who never used a wwbarb to realize why they are lag-sensitive so just take my word for it ok?

[XDoomasX]

believe me I know how sensetive ww is ( I played barbs for 2 years over TCP/IP, and I know that fury < ww) but wolf will be forced to only shift fury in ~ 300 ping, wich will result in auto win for barb.
But if beating someone 20-0 looks better for you , than 10-0, 10-3 while switching host, then be my guest.

[morotsjos]

believe me I know how sensetive ww is ( I played barbs for 2 years over TCP/IP, and I know that fury < ww) but wolf will be forced to only shift fury in ~ 300 ping, wich will result in auto win for barb.
But if beating someone 20-0 looks better for you , than 10-0, 10-3 while switching host, then be my guest.

i have nothing left to prove. the only reason i will duel on open is to see how well ink plays while waiting for the braggers on euro to get courage enough to duel me 7v1.

[Uncle_Mike]

care? since there aren't a single wolf in europe who think they can score one kill in 20 duels 7v1 i might just as well check out ink. i dont expect anyone who never used a wwbarb to realize why they are lag-sensitive so just take my word for it ok?

Actually, I do not think it were the EU players "badmouthing". All of them I've faced seemd to be chars made for fun duels instead of "ownage". And these are fun duels indeed. It seemed easy with a barb, now with hammer it is a lot more fun since I always try to pk them with telehammer when reshifting which when timed wrong can be a pain....

I would say that barb > shifter but I have clearly not duelled vs. the best of them so it's a null vote. Also, honestly, I cannot imagine myself losing to one when playing with a score/carefuly etc.

On a side note, I do consider wolves a fun build and sure plan to re-equip and level the one I have. It is a fun char, underpowerred in many respects, but still fun.

Mike

[ekorren]

Well i play europe ladder and i'll duel u when im done remaking my druid. wont be long i think.
i'll tell u when hes finished.

[morotsjos]

Actually, I do not think it were the EU players "badmouthing". All of them I've faced seemd to be chars made for fun duels instead of "ownage". And these are fun duels indeed. It seemed easy with a barb, now with hammer it is a lot more fun since I always try to pk them with telehammer when reshifting which when timed wrong can be a pain....

I would say that barb > shifter but I have clearly not duelled vs. the best of them so it's a null vote. Also, honestly, I cannot imagine myself losing to one when playing with a score/carefuly etc.

On a side note, I do consider wolves a fun build and sure plan to re-equip and level the one I have. It is a fun char, underpowerred in many respects, but still fun.

Mike
i am 100% sure i that at least two of the trashtalkers in the same discussion (!) a month ago (!) played euro ladder. dueling for fun is one thing but the problem is that some people cant separate that from serious pvp between top duelers. get holy freeze on your hammer btw ^^

[morotsjos]

Well i play europe ladder and i'll duel u when im done remaking my druid. wont be long i think.
i'll tell u when hes finished.

do that.

[moonlike]

i am 100% sure i that at least two of the trashtalkers in the same discussion (!) a month ago (!) played euro ladder. dueling for fun is one thing but the problem is that some people cant separate that from serious pvp between top duelers. get holy freeze on your hammer btw ^^

nn ! hammers dont have ow :P

[Uncle_Mike]

i am 100% sure i that at least two of the trashtalkers in the same discussion (!) a month ago (!) played euro ladder. dueling for fun is one thing but the problem is that some people cant separate that from serious pvp between top duelers. get holy freeze on your hammer btw ^^

well, maybe you are right. About the holy freeze, I do not think it is needed but have it just in case IIRC. This char will be rebuilt anyway once get some end-game gear.

Mike

edit: get an avatar, we both know you can pick a good one :laugh: