t/v guide?

[tumpelo]

can u give me a link or just tell me what should i do and take for a t/v made for pubs.. i have looked the pala forums but all the stickies seems to be a bit outdated..

[RetroStar]

Pravda's VT guide is a good basic setup, I also believe he offers basis for a TV. I gave a decent equip setup in one of the threads in the paladin forum.

[rikkitan]

from retrostar and others.........
pub set up:
helm: shako ber
armor: enigma
weapon: grief ba
ammy: highlords
ring: frost &your choice
shield: upped hoz ber
glove:dracs
belt: dungo
boots: gore, tri resist

Skills:(with grief)
Combat skills :
1 into every skill
1+ Holy Shield
20 Smite
20 Fist of the Heavens

Offensive Auras :
1 into every skill -
20 Fanatasicm
1+ Conviction (add 1 point, then put points into it after everything to keep it at level 25 no matter the gear switch)
20 Holy Shock

Deffensive Auras :
optional

[RetroStar]

from retrostar and others.........
pub set up:
helm: shako ber
armor: enigma
weapon: grief ba
ammy: highlords
ring: frost &your choice
shield: upped hoz ber
glove:dracs
belt: dungo
boots: gore, tri resist

Skills:(with grief)
Combat skills :
1 into every skill
1+ Holy Shield
20 Smite
20 Fist of the Heavens

Offensive Auras :
1 into every skill -
20 Fanatasicm
1+ Conviction (add 1 point, then put points into it after everything to keep it at level 25 no matter the gear switch)
20 Holy Shock

Deffensive Auras :
optional

That's pretty much it.

Except equip is ofcourse swapped in different situations. Sometimes Grief PB is better vs opponents with slow (Holy freeze, clegclaw, etc.)

In games infested with casters, I usually go with Spirit ST to teleport with 75%FCR with griffon + arach. I also have a Jeweler's ST of Deflect with 4x Light facet for simply clearing weaker games with just foh. :badteeth:

[order]

20 holy shield is a better investment than 20 in smite in most cases. a split between them both would probably yield the best option.

for helm i would suggest a griffons since were going for a more foh based build with a smite backup.

for me personally i think bloodfist are better glove since they provide 30fhr, life, ias, but if you want some ow and chance to cast lt then go for drac. just make sure you meet the 86fhr bp.

an optimization of foh and holy shock will allow more points into conviction for more -res.

[Ce Olba]

20 holy shield is a better investment than 20 in smite in most cases. a split between them both would probably yield the best option.

That is not the case with Grief. Holy Shield only adds a set +damage to Smite, whereas Smite multiplies that +damage by a percentage. With Grief, you already have a huge +damage, so you should rather go for a higher percentage, as it will yield more damage. Kinda like 10*200%>10+5

With an upgraded HoZ, you have the base damage of 46-46, this is with the setup mentioned and a 375 Grief
20 pts in Holy Shield and 1pt in smite yield a damage of 5075.91 with 0 str
20 pts in Smite and 1pt in Holy Shield yield a damage of 5829.165 with 0 str

Now, with as low STR as possible (no points to STR) and as high +str as possible with the mentioned setup, you have 173 STR at lvl 91. Now the damages look like this:

20 pts in Holy Shield and 1pt in Smite yields a damage of 6071.525
20 pts in Smite and 1pt in Holy Shield yields a damage of 6693.3

Here we see that the more +ED% we have, the closer the 20 holy shield setup is to the smite setup.

[rikkitan]

That is not the case with Grief. Holy Shield only adds a set +damage to Smite, whereas Smite multiplies that +damage by a percentage. With Grief, you already have a huge +damage, so you should rather go for a higher percentage, as it will yield more damage. Kinda like 10*200%>10+5

With an upgraded HoZ, you have the base damage of 46-46, this is with the setup mentioned and a 375 Grief
20 pts in Holy Shield and 1pt in smite yield a damage of 5075.91 with 0 str
20 pts in Smite and 1pt in Holy Shield yield a damage of 5829.165 with 0 str

Now, with as low STR as possible (no points to STR) and as high +str as possible with the mentioned setup, you have 173 STR at lvl 91. Now the damages look like this:

20 pts in Holy Shield and 1pt in Smite yields a damage of 6071.525
20 pts in Smite and 1pt in Holy Shield yields a damage of 6693.3

Here we see that the more +ED% we have, the closer the 20 holy shield setup is to the smite setup.

I need a nap............Retro you keep promising a guide, your flight to Toronto wasnt as productive as you hoped, how about it?

[RetroStar]

I need a nap............Retro you keep promising a guide, your flight to Toronto wasnt as productive as you hoped, how about it?

haha. i'll get around to it. if you guys don't mind i can easily post a simple straight forward guide by.. friday.

[[exile]]

haha. i'll get around to it. if you guys don't mind i can easily post a simple straight forward guide by.. friday.

Not unless there are some reasonably thorough strategies in there.

Camden and others advocate Grief PB at all times when coupled with TeleSmite, have you tried that yet?

[RetroStar]

;5000787']Not unless there are some reasonably thorough strategies in there.

Camden and others advocate Grief PB at all times when coupled with TeleSmite, have you tried that yet?

The only reason why you would use PB would probably be without sacrificing for IAS gear or slow.

[tumpelo]

why should i use dracs and hl? wouldnt 20 ias str/dex gloves and maras be better?

edit: i also have to ask about charms.. should i get 9 pcombats or like 5 and rest 20 lifers (+ torch and anni ofc)

[order]

t/v should use all pcombats

20lifers are for pure smiters

[RetroStar]

why should i use dracs and hl? wouldnt 20 ias str/dex gloves and maras be better?

edit: i also have to ask about charms.. should i get 9 pcombats or like 5 and rest 20 lifers (+ torch and anni ofc)

It's really up to you.. I always find life tap useful in pubs but if you duel private and they don't allow it. Those gloves would also work.

If the term BM doesn't apply to your method of dueling, don't replace dracs.

Also you'll need pcombats. Since all/most paladin hybrids need the +skills to optimize both dmg.

[Shadax]

I'm just getting back into diablo2. I want to make a v/t again but when I used to play we didn't have grief. I see the major advantages of the +dmg grief gives but is it still not beneficial to max holyshield if you're making a smite oriented v/t? Whenever I think of a v/t, I think of someone who uses weaker foh with convic to force opponets with max fcr to use some res eq, not someone trying to get higher foh damage at the expense of lower smite dmg. I'm curious to see your new guide retro, when are you putting that out?

[RetroStar]

I'm just getting back into diablo2. I want to make a v/t again but when I used to play we didn't have grief. I see the major advantages of the +dmg grief gives but is it still not beneficial to max holyshield if you're making a smite oriented v/t? Whenever I think of a v/t, I think of someone who uses weaker foh with convic to force opponets with max fcr to use some res eq, not someone trying to get higher foh damage at the expense of lower smite dmg. I'm curious to see your new guide retro, when are you putting that out?

T/V popularity and viablility has been boosted with the release of grief. Since a one pt smite with grief is extremely powerful. Therefore, this allows the remaining points to be invested into FoH. Making T/V a very viable build. Compared to before, where every pt into smite is needed to make smite powerful.

Guide will be done by end of this week I hope.

[Shadax]

I'll hold you to that, looking forward to reading it.

[Shadax]

I still believe that the whole point to a v/t is to have the most powerful smite you can and just to use a foh as a deterant for chars to have max fcr etc. It's like making a pure smiter but investing the remainder in foh/holy shock and not charge. However, my best v/t build was before grief came out when I used to use a silence phase/eth lac/or asteron's. Even then though, with level 25 convic and a split for maximum foh damage, it was more than enough to beat pretty much any character varient. The only chars that ever gave my v/t a problem were really good marrow bugged bonemancers. Even then, foh was enough to force then down a breakpoint making them prone to telesmite. What happens when the v/t build goes against a pure smiter? Looking forward to the guide, maybe i'm wrong because I haven't played d2 in awhile.

[RetroStar]

Was that a question? I am kinda confused, if you're asking if V/T vs. T/V. V/T is more suited for 1 v 1 or vs melee because of a stronger smite.

One of the worst opponent for V/T or T/V are probably wind druids. The guide should be done by this week.

[tumpelo]

i hope u could do a list like wich duels are the easiest what are the hardest for v/T maybe give points like from 1 to 5 ore something

[RetroStar]

Definately, that's a good idea.


FWEFDL#@$OPFJ#O$F#

it's a T/V not a V/T.

[Shadax]

Was that a question? I am kinda confused, if you're asking if V/T vs. T/V. V/T is more suited for 1 v 1 or vs melee because of a stronger smite.

I did in fact use a question mark...go figure.


One of the worst opponent for V/T or T/V are probably wind druids. The guide should be done by this week.

I have to disagree, wind druids aren't that hard to beat, especially if you make a SMITE oriented v/t. You just foh off their oak, and telesmite or charge in for the kill. You should have enough life to tank a few tornados and once you get them in smite lock it's pretty much gg. I could see how you may have issues if you've been putting skills points in all the auras and 20 into holy shock though.

Marrow bugged necs are clearly the harder character to beat because tanking huge damage bonespirits is never a good idea. The added foh damage would help with this duel, however it accomplishes exactly the same thing as medium foh damage. They need to substitute some res gear for fcr gear. The end goal of smite locking them (while they don't have maximum frames, so they can't hit you wth bonespirits after the initial hits) is still the same and with more smite damage=less chances of having to try and tank additional/lethal bonespirits.

[RetroStar]

I have to disagree, wind druids aren't that hard to beat, especially if you make a SMITE oriented v/t. You just foh off their oak, and telesmite or charge in for the kill. You should have enough life to tank a few tornados and once you get them in smite lock it's pretty much gg. I could see how you may have issues if you've been putting skills points in all the auras and 20 into holy shock though.

Marrow bugged necs are clearly the harder character to beat because tanking huge damage bonespirits is never a good idea. The added foh damage would help with this duel, however it accomplishes exactly the same thing as medium foh damage. They need to substitute some res gear for fcr gear. The end goal of smite locking them (while they don't have maximum frames, so they can't hit you wth bonespirits after the initial hits) is still the same and with more smite damage=less chances of having to try and tank additional/lethal bonespirits.

20 points into Holy shock can take out ALL summons with oak in 2-3 pulses. Better than using Foh and kill them off individually. Again, smite is powerful enough with grief now even witha few points, therefore your methods work, but now we have a 6-7k Foh instead of 4k for dueling other duelers.

Marrow bug is gone btw.

[Shadax]

Marrow bug is gone btw.

I've been wanting to hear that for awhile. I retract my previous statement, necros should be easy.

[the boss]

20 points into Holy shock can take out ALL summons with oak in 2-3 pulses. Better than using Foh and kill them off individually. Again, smite is powerful enough with grief now even witha few points, therefore your methods work, but now we have a 6-7k Foh instead of 4k for dueling other duelers.

Marrow bug is gone btw.

Druid's minions = ez holy shock pk
Necro's summons/revives = hard, since they'll probably have light immune revives, you'll never know.

I hit 4k FOh with my old t/v, which currently he's retiring to make a hdin/liberator. I used a grief PB btw

[RetroStar]

4k is kinda low. :laugh:

I am almost done the guide.

[Shadax]

I'm still waiting to read your guide before I make a new v/t, almost done Retro?

[Uncle_Mike]

I'm still waiting to read your guide before I make a new v/t, almost done Retro?
Well, let me quote Retro:


FWEFDL#@$OPFJ#O$F#

it's a T/V not a V/T.

:laugh:

And yes, I've been waiting for that guide as well :) I am tempted to make a t/v myself.

Mike

[Shadax]

I consider t/v and v/t to be almost the same barring that t/v will lose to v/t in a duel :tongue: (Yes I know the difference)

Anyway, I still don't want to make my char before reading a guide written by someone who has more exp. with grief and the new patches than me. So, bring it on!

[RetroStar]

Almost done, I had exams so it kinda delayed it.. Just need to credit people and personal equip and stats.

[emin]

Almost done, I had exams so it kinda delayed it.. Just need to credit people and personal equip and stats.

How's it going with this project now? would like to see the result! Thanks

[RetroStar]

How's it going with this project now? would like to see the result! Thanks

Well it's done. I just need some people to go over it to make sure it's correct. Since I just had 3 exams in the past week.

PM me your email if you have knowledge of paladins. Simply go through the breakpoints and stuff.