BvC vs. smiter

[Darksteel]

Assuming both have the same wealth, skill, and computer who usally wins this match-up? I could see it going either way myself, it seems like it would depend on if the smiter is using lifetap or not.

[mainaman]

Assuming both have the same wealth, skill, and computer who usally wins this match-up? I could see it going either way myself, it seems like it would depend on if the smiter is using lifetap or not. bvc will win most of duels , tap will matter alittle but still not a big factor in my experience. when i say tap will matter a bit , i mean when the barb is at low life there is no room for mistakes if tap had triggered, tap can give advantage to the smiter if both the barb and the smiter are at low life.
At the end of the day however, if the barb is played smart he will hit the smiter more than the smiter will hit the barb ...
the hardest smiters to kill are the good telesmiters, that know when and how to tele smite a barb

[uptoolayte]

The ONLY BvC's that win against my smiter are the ones that fire at me with a bow while I'm running around. If I stand in one place, they fire the bow, the WW away when I get near. The only way I can hit them is to get in front while they WW and smite as they go through me.

I also have a smiter/hdin and thats a little easier but that bow makes all the difference, keeps me on the move and drains my life.

[mainaman]

The ONLY BvC's that win against my smiter are the ones that fire at me with a bow while I'm running around. If I stand in one place, they fire the bow, the WW away when I get near. The only way I can hit them is to get in front while they WW and smite as they go through me.

I also have a smiter/hdin and thats a little easier but that bow makes all the difference, keeps me on the move and drains my life.
well no bvc that duels right will make long enough ww so you could get infront and smite. just trying to say there is a way of ww-ing a smiter its not just ww and w/e happens.

[Camden]

Even though I'm a smiter player and hate to admit it, under the terms you listed BvCs have the natural upper hand

[diablotradez]

50/50 but whoever is better at mind games will win or whoever makes more mistakes usually its in favor of smiter because of life tap and high defense 40k+

[mainaman]

50/50 but whoever is better at mind games will win or whoever makes more mistakes usually its in favor of smiter because of life tap and high defense 40k+
not true
high defense is beatable with angelics + chant , no defense can save you from 25k+ ar ,what my barb can get, and if i really decide to push it i can go up to 32k ar just by adding hsarus to the picture.

also life tap in smiter vs all dueling is usualy considered bm, and even with that a well played barb will not lose many duels.

Now i rememeber Morotsjos saying that the best smiter on east aka Goldwrap admited that he had to rely on life tap to win some of their duels (not sure about the exact wording but something in those lines).

what im tying to say i guess is that you cant rely on things such as life tap to win you duels, i mean bard can fade , can use life tap wand on you, can doom flash you.

i magine faded barb with fortitude and coa with 25k ar-> he will hit you alot , he will have max dr, your life tap will last only seconds, he will do much more dmg than you .

[diablotradez]

ai enchant is considered bm by alot of people too and some even consider smite and ww is not even melee.

its pointless to say that people cant reply on life tap to win duels on a smiter, thats their strong point its what makes them win most of the time. i see barbs saying life tap = bm all the time but i dont see anyone complaining about ww being the best melee skill in the game

if your using doom slow fade then its just a duel about whose more bm no one will die unless out of pots, and doom wont work vs griefpb smiter with enough ias anyway i still say its 50/50 depends on playing style

[mainaman]

if your using doom slow fade then its just a duel about whose more bm no one will die unless out of pots, and doom wont work vs griefpb smiter with enough ias anyway i still say its 50/50 depends on playing style

i just gave you example how with items a barb has much more the upper hand than the smiter.

to tell you the truth best smiters i have dueled are using hoz and tele smite and they are hard to kill.

im not trying to convince you that barb has more chances to win duels , i know for myself this is true, you judge about that by your own experience.

[diablotradez]

its not just by experience usually the duel is in favor of smiter unless he is out skill.

its hard to judge wether 2 people have equal skill or not, again most of the time its just to see who plays better mind games or makes more mistakes

with all the items you listed like enchant doomz fade those are bm considered by many if you goto such length to win the smiter can bm alot better than you
then it will be bm vs bm

[hardnfast]

i imagine faded barb with fortitude and coa with 25k ar-> he will hit you alot , he will have max dr, your life tap will last only seconds, he will do much more dmg than you.

I find 15k AR is fine to hit almost anyone I duel. As I understand it anymore than 30k defense makes very little differance to your chance to be hit. I did have a bookmark to an AR /Defense/chance to hit calculator, can't seem to find it.



and doom wont work vs griefpb smiter with enough ias anyway i still say its 50/50 depends on playing style

But when you swap to the PB your outranged. I feel abit cheap using dual dooms vs smiters though.

[Camden]

diablotradez, duel a GOOD barb. That will prevent you from rambling on with your clueless idiocy

[diablotradez]

diablotradez, duel a GOOD barb. That will prevent you from rambling on with your clueless idiocy

whats wrong you a barb fan? did i trash your idol barb? given equal skill wealth like the op said the duel is still 50/50

[diablotradez]

I find 15k AR is fine to hit almost anyone I duel. As I understand it anymore than 30k defense makes very little differance to your chance to be hit. I did have a bookmark to an AR /Defense/chance to hit calculator, can't seem to find it.





But when you swap to the PB your outranged. I feel abit cheap using dual dooms vs smiters though.

doesnt really matter if you can desync smite the hole time it be like desync ww vs desync smite

[mainaman]

doesnt really matter if you can desync smite the hole time it be like desync ww vs desync smite
:brainiac:
i dont know what kind of barbs are you dueling , but
how are you going to smite a barb that is in desynch ww motion? as if you will know where he is atm? and what the hell is desynch smite please enlighten us
anyway BvC fans or not thruth is a bvc that knows what they do win against smiters most of the time

I find 15k AR is fine to hit almost anyone I duel. As I understand it anymore than 30k defense makes very little differance to your chance to be hit. I did have a bookmark to an AR /Defense/chance to hit calculator, can't seem to find it.

i was just making example of the fact that high defense dont mean much when one can get decent ar. i beat smiters with only 10k ar

[HappyAssassin]

I'm amazed that this is a discussion. BvCs beat smiters all the time, it takes a VERY skilled smiter to beat a decently played barb.

The really tricky matchup is V/T vs. BvC, that's where the debate is really worth while.

[diablotradez]

:brainiac:
i dont know what kind of barbs are you dueling , but
how are you going to smite a barb that is in desynch ww motion? as if you will know where he is atm? and what the hell is desynch smite please enlighten us
anyway BvC fans or not thruth is a bvc that knows what they do win against smiters most of the time


i was just making example of the fact that high defense dont mean much when one can get decent ar. i beat smiters with only 10k ar

what im saying is when both are equal gear skill what will really happend is who makes more mistakes.

desync smite is just desync tele smite. when smiter keeps charging randomly you wont know where he is and he might suddenly pop out and smite you a few and charge away but you can desync your wws so i was saying it desync ww vs desync smite

[Camden]

"Who makes more mistakes"

How the fux so?

ANd you're gonna suddenly "pop out" and smite a desynched whirling barb a few times and get away clean... utter bull**** man. I am a smiter player. I had arguably one of the best smite vs all east nl and easily the best smite vs all on ladder. But i realize a good barb WILL beat a good smiter, period, end of discussion.

[mainaman]

I'm amazed that this is a discussion. BvCs beat smiters all the time, it takes a VERY skilled smiter to beat a decently played barb.

The really tricky matchup is V/T vs. BvC, that's where the debate is really worth while.truth is with a good stack the duel becomes bvc vs smiter again but its more trickier and interesting

[Ronaldo]

camden is right... whirl away/clip wws will beat the smiter. desynch smite? try to desynch against a leaping barb

[Camden]

camden is right... whirl away/clip wws will beat the smiter. desynch smite? try to desynch against a leaping barb

Smite and charge are both uninterruptable, thus leap has no effect vs desynch

[Ronaldo]

he will get mayb 1 smite or 1 charge hit if hes lucky, thats if charge actually hits that is, also the barb can just make short random whirls vs a desyncher...

[Ce Olba]

Now i rememeber Morotsjos saying that the best smiter on east aka Goldwrap admited that he had to rely on life tap to win some of their duels (not sure about the exact wording but something in those lines).



First off, Goldwrap is on Europe NL.
Second off, just a few days ago, he quit.
But yes, that thing you're saying actually did happen.
There are only 2 smiters I've seen Morotsjos ever talk about: Goldwrap, the best smite vs all player on Europe NL easily. And then there's Ben, the best anti-barbarian player on Europe NL, he plays a V/T. Have dueled both a few times, lost them all.

Let's make it clear: Due to, yes, Life Tap, a smiter has an EASIER time beating a barbarian than the barbarian has when trying to beat the smiter. This is if the skill is equal. Now, if we take the best possible BvC and the best possible smiter. Most likely it will be quite a few equal matches.

As for the guy who thinks that Enchant is BM: What's wrong with it? What makes it more BM than a smiter healing to full life 20% of the time? And in Bm v Bm, the barbarian will win due to all the advantages he has (more life -> more effective life via rejuvs, less rejuv usage needed-> more rejuvs over a time -> alive longer, Doom usage, a moving melee attack, very high damage accessable). Doom makes your smites useless, Rejuvs and/or a lifetap wand will also make the duel be easier for the barbarian. Oh, and Fade makes your lifetap last for about 15 seconds, making it effectively useless, as the barbarian can easily enough whirl away that whole time.

Oh, and by the way if you won't stop your talking in such an offensive manner (some of the phrases were rather offensive), I will go ahead and report you.

Camden: Maybe Leap has no effect on Charge or Smite, but please try to teleport effectively on the screen of a barbarian who is Leaping. Will be quite a hard task, as Teleport is interruptable.

Goldwrap and Ben have been the only smiters to ever REALLY trouble my BvC. Now, there might be people who will brag how they beat me like 7 months ago. Heck, I even had one of my friend's brag how he can easily beat me. Well, I ended up 5-0'ing him. In public games, I've never really bothered with Smiters, as most of them are stupid-as-hell-telesmiters-who-know-nothing-about-nothing.

[Camden]

Olba, indeed teleport is interrupted by leap. But who teleports to a leaping barb? Charge if they are. Tele-smite is used to get infront of them as they begin a whirl, not as they're leaping ;). At least in my experience i've never envisioned teleing on a barb to be a good idea, if they're leaping more than likely theyr'e just inviting you in close no?

[mainaman]

First off, Goldwrap is on Europe NL.
ahh my bad accidentaly typed east instead of europe

[diablotradez]

First off, Goldwrap is on Europe NL.
Second off, just a few days ago, he quit.
But yes, that thing you're saying actually did happen.
There are only 2 smiters I've seen Morotsjos ever talk about: Goldwrap, the best smite vs all player on Europe NL easily. And then there's Ben, the best anti-barbarian player on Europe NL, he plays a V/T. Have dueled both a few times, lost them all.

Let's make it clear: Due to, yes, Life Tap, a smiter has an EASIER time beating a barbarian than the barbarian has when trying to beat the smiter. This is if the skill is equal. Now, if we take the best possible BvC and the best possible smiter. Most likely it will be quite a few equal matches.

As for the guy who thinks that Enchant is BM: What's wrong with it? What makes it more BM than a smiter healing to full life 20% of the time? And in Bm v Bm, the barbarian will win due to all the advantages he has (more life -> more effective life via rejuvs, less rejuv usage needed-> more rejuvs over a time -> alive longer, Doom usage, a moving melee attack, very high damage accessable). Doom makes your smites useless, Rejuvs and/or a lifetap wand will also make the duel be easier for the barbarian. Oh, and Fade makes your lifetap last for about 15 seconds, making it effectively useless, as the barbarian can easily enough whirl away that whole time.

Oh, and by the way if you won't stop your talking in such an offensive manner (some of the phrases were rather offensive), I will go ahead and report you.

Camden: Maybe Leap has no effect on Charge or Smite, but please try to teleport effectively on the screen of a barbarian who is Leaping. Will be quite a hard task, as Teleport is interruptable.

Goldwrap and Ben have been the only smiters to ever REALLY trouble my BvC. Now, there might be people who will brag how they beat me like 7 months ago. Heck, I even had one of my friend's brag how he can easily beat me. Well, I ended up 5-0'ing him. In public games, I've never really bothered with Smiters, as most of them are stupid-as-hell-telesmiters-who-know-nothing-about-nothing.

first off dont twist my words. i do not think enchant is bm i dont think anything is bm for that matter, but i said it is bm considered by many people, like how using prebuff antidotes is consider bm by many gm duelers.

whats wrong with my posts? i am not breaking any rules or flaming anyone here you are the one who in your own opinion thinks that my posts are offensive.

i see you keep posting about people's opinions picking out little mistakes that they make or try correcting what they said, its like you want everything done your way.

when ever someone talks about bvc i see you come out being defensive why is that? does it hurt you if someone have a different opinion on bvcs different from you?

if its a bm duel it doesnt matter what you use i know for sure both players will not die because it will be 1 hit then akira all the time.

funny how you think life tap is bm when your talking about a character that can get 6-7k life max dr best melee skill in the game and uses enchant is ok

[Romper Stomper]

Only a tele smiter stands a chance of beating a good barb once in while, and only if they get lucky with block. A good barb will have sufficient AR and damage to defeat a tele smiter blocking 75% of the time.

A V/T or T/V can beat a barb consistently if the barb cannot obtain > 75% res light after conviction/-ve res items. If the barb can, it's a fight vs a weak smiter.

Barb BM > Smite BM all day long. Holy freeze *wrecks* smite.

I probably dueled over 100 big talker smiters after season 2 ended due to there being a LOT of anti barb smack talk from paladin community at the time thanks to Grief making smite do damage. Every one of them thought barbs were a walk in the park, and every one of them died consistently to my barb. The best any of them did was win the first four duels by tele-smiting, then lost the next 10 due to my equipping sufficient AR to stuff tele-smite.

If you're having trouble vs tele smite, use more AR, use fort, and vary your WW if you find them trying to tele as your WW ends.

[Uncle_Mike]

ahh my bad accidentaly typed east instead of europe

Freudian slip?

:laugh:

Mike

[mainaman]

Freudian slip?

:laugh:

Mike
possible , as i play on east i guess i just typed east by inertia :prop:

[DarkMousy]

About equal, if v/t vs barb perhaps in the v/t's favour overall, as barb does have to make some sacrifices to stack (and a good v/t has around 5k hp/high dr%/maxblock + higher smite dmg than a pure smiter). Also, with enigma tele-smite becomes a problem so random whirl-away becomes alot harder to do.

[Camden]

About equal, if v/t vs barb perhaps in the v/t's favour overall, as barb does have to make some sacrifices to stack (and a good v/t has around 5k hp/high dr%/maxblock + higher smite dmg than a pure smiter). Also, with enigma tele-smite becomes a problem so random whirl-away becomes alot harder to do.

How does a v/t have more smite damage than a pure smiter...?

[swiftrunner]

There is no way a V/T can have more smite damage than a pure smiter.

[jake007]

There is no way a V/T can have more smite damage than a pure smiter.

Why not? It's a V/T not a T/V
They won't match a smiter in defense, if that matters.

[swiftrunner]

A fully decked out V/T can do the same amount of smite damage as a fully decked out smiter, but it will never do more damage.

And Darkmousy says:

a good v/t has around 5k hp/high dr%/maxblock + higher smite dmg than a pure smiter

which implies that a good V/T always has more smite damage than a pure smiter.

[jake007]

A fully decked out V/T can do the same amount of smite damage as a fully decked out smiter, but it will never do more damage.

And Darkmousy says:

a good v/t has around 5k hp/high dr%/maxblock + higher smite dmg than a pure smiter

which implies that a good V/T always has more smite damage than a pure smite

My bad, I misread it as v/t cannot have as much damage as a smiter...

[Arutha]

I find that my v/t has more smite dmg than most of the smiters I go up agianst. This is because I use p comb lifers since without skillers my foh wouldnt be very effective, and alot (not all) of the smiters I see recently are all about the 20 life sc's, but this means I have less life only 4.5k(I need a couple better lifers).

[mainaman]

About equal, if v/t vs barb perhaps in the v/t's favour overall, as barb does have to make some sacrifices to stack (and a good v/t has around 5k hp/high dr%/maxblock + higher smite dmg than a pure smiter). Also, with enigma tele-smite becomes a problem so random whirl-away becomes alot harder to do.can you list some of the sacrifices a barb has to make?

[Ce Olba]

can you list some of the sacrifices a barb has to make?

I agree. Just a look at one of the charm setups in my partial guide (a link to it is posted in my poll) tells me that I can stack 154% LR from CHARMS-ONLY. That's not even counting torch or anni.

Let's see:
154 + 40 + 30 + 35 + 30 + 64 = 353
353 - 250 - 25 = 78

And that's on EUSCNL, where a V/T CAN use a Griffon. And that's with a legitimate 30 LR ring too. With a 60ish one, it's even better. That's counting the Hsarus setup btw, and only 1 ring.

The gear to get such:
CoA 30/31
Highlord's
1* 30% LR ring (substitute with a better one if you can (41 on rares IIRC, 60ish on dupes)
Annihilus 20/20
Torch 20/20
4* 5/11s
10* 20/11s

Not too shabby. However lots of expensive charms and gear. And it can also allow 80% LR, or 75% and 20% FCR.

[mainaman]

I agree. Just a look at one of the charm setups in my partial guide (a link to it is posted in my poll) tells me that I can stack 154% LR from CHARMS-ONLY. That's not even counting torch or anni.

Let's see:
154 + 40 + 30 + 35 + 30 + 64 = 353
353 - 250 - 25 = 78

And that's on EUSCNL, where a V/T CAN use a Griffon. And that's with a legitimate 30 LR ring too. With a 60ish one, it's even better. That's counting the Hsarus setup btw, and only 1 ring.

The gear to get such:
CoA 30/31
Highlord's
1* 30% LR ring (substitute with a better one if you can (41 on rares IIRC, 60ish on dupes)
Annihilus 20/20
Torch 20/20
4* 5/11s
10* 20/11s

Not too shabby. However lots of expensive charms and gear. And it can also allow 80% LR, or 75% and 20% FCR.
yes 20/11 are pretty xpensive
what i use is ort kiras+ 37 lr boot then i can use fortitude + angelics (if not needed: enigma+ highlords+ gores) , i have 5 fhr/11 lr, 5/5 ,2x 20 /11, 20/10,and some more i cant check now , but after the stack i have 180 ish res over 75 so even with anya bug im at 75.
then the duel becomes BvC vs smiter. true my dr is poor with no coa but i havent had problems so far

[Ce Olba]

yes 20/11 are pretty xpensive
what i use is ort kiras+ 37 lr boot then i can use fortitude + angelics (if not needed: enigma+ highlords+ gores) , i have 5 fhr/11 lr, 5/5 ,2x 20 /11, 20/10,and some more i cant check now , but after the stack i have 180 ish res over 75 so even with anya bug im at 75.
then the duel becomes BvC vs smiter. true my dr is poor with no coa but i havent had problems so far

No offense intended, but once you duel the better V/Ts, you will get your *** handed in an instant. I was fresh out of luck to have the best anti-barb v/t on my realm as the first v/t I ever dueled. And I think you can guess i got beaten.

here on Europe a V/T can have max dr with a Griffon due to some "special gear" that the rules won't let me name.

[mainaman]

No offense intended, but once you duel the better V/Ts, you will get your *** handed in an instant. I was fresh out of luck to have the best anti-barb v/t on my realm as the first v/t I ever dueled. And I think you can guess i got beaten.

here on Europe a V/T can have max dr with a Griffon due to some "special gear" that the rules won't let me name.
i agree on nl things might work differently , so far on ladder i have dueled some of the best and havent had problems , they were using some of the famous duped and buggged gear too ,but that didnt help them much
antway i realize i need to modify my charm set up alil bit more to be able to use coa and still have 150 lr over 75

[Ce Olba]

i agree on nl things might work differently , so far on ladder i have dueled some of the best and havent had problems , they were using some of the famous duped and buggged gear too ,but that didnt help them much
antway i realize i need to modify my charm set up alil bit more to be able to use coa and still have 150 lr over 75

In the example, the guy would have 122 LR over 75 in Hell.

It's always the same, the "best" on Ladder are nothing compared to the best on non-ladder. This can simply be proved if you only duel on Ladder and then try dueling the best people on Non-Ladder. Most likely you will get beaten, as their character are adapted to the NL standards, they most likely have more wealth, their characters might also be higher lvl.

[mainaman]

In the example, the guy would have 122 LR over 75 in Hell.

It's always the same, the "best" on Ladder are nothing compared to the best on non-ladder. This can simply be proved if you only duel on Ladder and then try dueling the best people on Non-Ladder. Most likely you will get beaten, as their character are adapted to the NL standards, they most likely have more wealth, their characters might also be higher lvl.
well i said on nl things might be different didn't I. also i doubt there are many ppl with char lvl over 95 dueling these days are there?

[donzi]

all i know is my BvC needs a CoA because even if I ww at range frmo a smiter they tend to take me down.

i got 25k AR, low def but doesnt matter vs smite, 6100 life but dungoes at 14% isnt enough

[Uncle_Mike]

all i know is my BvC needs a CoA because even if I ww at range frmo a smiter they tend to take me down.

i got 25k AR, low def but doesnt matter vs smite, 6100 life but dungoes at 14% isnt enough

The best thing about coa imo is that it leaves more room for mistakes, if you ww flawlessly smiters are easy except the very few exeptionally skilled ones...

Mike

[donzi]

^^

exactly, with the lack of PDR i have it doesnt take many landed smites to hurt me enough that its hard to make up the ground, I do surprisingly vs some smiters, i can tell who the good ones are because i'm gone in 2-3 hits lol

[Arutha]

If anyone here has a really good bvc barb on East Ladder I would like to see how my V/t does agianst one, I think most of the ones I run into aren't to good.

*shupe3

[matchuk]

The best thing about coa imo is that it leaves more room for mistakes, if you ww flawlessly smiters are easy except the very few exeptionally skilled ones...

Mike

i second this!! but its not that im flawless i just cant afford coa haha

i think good smiters u can beat without it if u dont make mistake

[Camden]

If anyone here has a really good bvc barb on East Ladder I would like to see how my V/t does agianst one, I think most of the ones I run into aren't to good.

*shupe3


*Negativityx4
*717

Mainaman on these forums has a good bvc

And if you wanna duel the best, /w *Zee. (depends somewhat on who's using it)

[blobswannabe]

This topic has come up a billion times. It's really getting old. BVC >>>>> SMITER. if u don't believe me whipser die.hard. us.west scnl. I'll find 10 barbs who can 10-0 ur smiter.

[SicHalo]

This topic has come up a billion times. It's really getting old. BVC >>>>> SMITER. if u don't believe me whipser die.hard. us.west scnl. I'll find 10 barbs who can 10-0 ur smiter.


hehe

but to add, a crappy smiter>crappy barb in most cases due to the lack of skill and knowledge. But in most scenarios the barb should come out ontop unless ur faced with a increadibly skilled smiter, or simple screw ups.

[Uncle_Mike]

hehe

but to add, a crappy smiter>crappy barb in most cases due to the lack of skill and knowledge. But in most scenarios the barb should come out ontop unless ur faced with a increadibly skilled smiter, or simple screw ups.

not really sure about that...if the barb knows that you are to clip the smiter then a typical smiter will keep on shift smiting and say "n1" after you baet him flawlessly... I would say that life tap is the only advantage a pub smiter has over a barb and it does not always guarantee a win.

Mike

[blobswannabe]

hehe

but to add, a crappy smiter>crappy barb in most cases due to the lack of skill and knowledge. But in most scenarios the barb should come out ontop unless ur faced with a increadibly skilled smiter, or simple screw ups.

The only way i can imagine a smiter beating a barb in 1on1 is if the smiter uses wiz gloves and a crap load of eth bugged items and exile so he has 50k+ def so the barb cannot even hit him consistently even with angelics. This will allow the smiter to chain lock telesmite since he won't get hit often and his telesmites will rarely get disrupted. I myself have never been in a situation like this or have seen it happen. In fact i haven't seen anyone other than myself chainlock telesmite properly.

[Romper Stomper]

In fact i haven't seen anyone other than myself chainlock telesmite properly.

Get over yourself, chainlock telesmite vs a ww-ing barb is one of the easiest things to do in this game.

[SicHalo]

true but crappy barbs i see never seem to clip whirl they whirl through so vs a shift + smite they usally get eaten up.


But if the barb is clipping and the smiter still determined to shift + smite then its as good as dead and a quick 5-0 as well.

I really only know 2 smiters that have beaten me fairly consistantly, one is like the best on Eu realm, he had a technique where he was telesmiting before the hf kicked in and desync smites like a king, the other was very good used HF well but i admit my technique was abit bad vs him but he still pulled out wins.

[moonlike]

In fact i haven't seen anyone other than myself chainlock telesmite properly.

lol chain nl with wind druids is even easier than chainlock smiting ww barbs but still i was one from 2-3 druids on eu who could chain nl many times in a row...

[matchuk]

what is chainlocking and u can desync smite?!?!?!

[swiftrunner]

Well, you can desync and then smite. But the second you start smiting you'll reappear on your opponent's screen.