View Full Version : Wanna see a glimpse of Ce Olba's still-in-make BvC guide? 1.2
Now, let's try again.
So, the thing is this:
I've been making a BvC guide for quite some time. I've been thinking for a while, and I think I could let you people see some of it.
The sections it's got so far:
Stats
Charms
Skills
Pub Setup
What's a BvC?
So, if enough "Yes" votes are casted (more than 60% of the votes), i will publish an incomplete part of it.
Some story behind this: Currently I cannot play D2 actively, so the guide's been out of work for a while. Also, I've had quite a busy start in the new school, and tomorrow is starting a one-week-long period of tests (1 per day, except saturday and sunday), so I simply have no time to write the guide right now. Also, I cannot make the strategies parts without dueling myself.
And I'm too bored to answer the same questions over and over again.
A word of warning though:
The guide is quite long due to being thorough and explaining a lot of things. Only the parts I got now are already 9.5 pages with font size 12. Also, it might be boring to read as it's quite thorough.
However, it has also got a lot of information to it.
You guys and girls (if there are any) have 2 months to vote. After 2 months from now, I will see the outcome. Or I might see earlier, if the votes seem quite one-sided. Let's say if over 85% over a month (or 90% over three weeks) want it, I will let them have it. Deal? I myself will of course not vote, that would be cheating. VOTE ON!
Also, please post the reasons behind your vote, be they long or short, positive or negative. Of course, I will be there to answer most or all of them (depending from the amount of posts). Some people who have a problem with me might say "That's only for postcount", but it actually let's my opinion out and it will keep the topic alive.
And I also hope that you would keep it alive. Or if a mod could sticky it until the period of two months is ended if it's not too much asked.
And to answer why I am doing such a poll: If I see that the guide is wanted, I will post it and keep on talking about it. If not, then I won't.
First, sorry for double posting. It would not be my meaning, but I forgot something from the first post.
Here's a little part of the guide:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=4833589&postcount=5
EDIT: So far I can see 2 votes, but no posts to tell the reasons why such votes.
Please tell me, I want to know.
anotherlaughingman
26-09-2006, 22:36
voted yes, you have a lot of knowledge about bvc and it would be great if you share it with us.
side: 9.5+ pages, i might have to wait until the holiday season to read this.
voted yes, you have a lot of knowledge about bvc and it would be great if you share it with us.
side: 9.5+ pages, i might have to wait until the holiday season to read this.
Well, the things so far in the guide are quite common knowledge of BvCs. The only few new things I got there are the additional charms, Hsarus and stats. And unlike MCM, who likes to tell things in 25 different topics, I make them all into one.
Well, if all goes "good", you will have that 9.5 pages (that's in case I won't write any more of it) in three weeks. At most 2 months or never.
Also, as you might've realized from the example I posted, I go into deep to explain the things and so some people might find it rather boring to read. Some people prefer Blobs' guide simple for the fact that it explains nothing and tells you exactly what to do, making it so that you CANNOT ask questions because the only answer you will most likely get is something like "figure it yourself", which I see as a rather lame excuse. I LIKE to calculate D2 stuff for people, I LIKE to experiment D2 both on paper and off-paper, I LIKE to post a lot about D2, I LIKE to have so much knowing of something.
Uncle_Mike
26-09-2006, 23:08
Voted "I do not care" because this thread is ridiculous...
Mike
Voted "I do not care" because this thread is ridiculous...
Mike
Why is is ridiculous? Tell me. Or at least define this "ridiculous" of yours. It might differ massively from mine.
I simply want to see the opinions of people. It's not like I've gotten any cockier or something.
Uncle_Mike
26-09-2006, 23:15
Why is is ridiculous? Tell me. Or at least define this "ridiculous" of yours. It might differ massively from mine.
I simply want to see the opinions of people. It's not like I've gotten any cockier or something.
DO i really have to tell the obvious? if you want to post it - post it? do you seriously expect people to debate that for 2 months? Gosh - I really do not want to be banned because of you...I will count to 10 now...opinions on what? you want a thread about whether a future guide is to be posted stickied? Why on earth would it be and how is it pvp related?
The guide itself is, this thread - not at alll...
Mike
DO i really have to tell the obvious? if you want to post it - post it? do you seriously expect people to debate that for 2 months? Gosh - I really do not want to be banned because of you...I will count to 10 now...opinions on what? you want a thread about whether a future guide is to be posted stickied? Why on earth would it be and how is it pvp related?
The guide itself is, this thread - not at alll...
Mike
"The obvious". Whatever is obvious to you might not be obvious to others. For example, for you it might be obvious that whenever you see the sky, you feel happy. For me, it's not. Just an example though.
It's not gonna be a "debate for 2 months". I put the 2 months timer on the poll just for the sakes of people who do not necessarily be here on these forums everyday. Some people might even be on a trip.
As for if I should post it or not. I shouldn't do something that is not wanted, that will just make people hate me. And if everyone hates me, I have no one to tell stuff to, no one to talk to, no one to depend on, no one to be with.
Uncle_Mike
26-09-2006, 23:35
"The obvious". Whatever is obvious to you might not be obvious to others. For example, for you it might be obvious that whenever you see the sky, you feel happy. For me, it's not. Just an example though.
It's not gonna be a "debate for 2 months". I put the 2 months timer on the poll just for the sakes of people who do not necessarily be here on these forums everyday. Some people might even be on a trip.
As for if I should post it or not. I shouldn't do something that is not wanted, that will just make people hate me. And if everyone hates me, I have no one to tell stuff to, no one to talk to, no one to depend on, no one to be with.
Great example, hats off....
you do realise how many people frequent this forum right? 20-30 maybe, not many more as far as regulars are concerned. As far as the rest is concerned, just post the thread and they might even read it...
anything particularly outstanding about your guide that makes it worthy of 60 days wait? Anything that Rom, MCM, blobs, MOrtsjos etc. have not posted before? if so just post it, what on earth is there to debate....
And why would you be hated because of the guide? If anyone does not like you it is because of your attitude, but that is not an issue since you will never acknowledge it.... The crappiest of wannabe guides have been posted and nothing happened. It is quite obvious that you have knowledge of the game, are familiar with the number crunching and so on... are you that desperate for attention? I am out of this thread. As far as the others are concerned - DO YOU WANT THE GUIDE TO BE POSTED? only 59 days left - quick, debate and please give good reasons...
Mike
Going on "all or nothing" mentality... So voted no.
But it will be nice to give it a read when its finished.
nickedoff
26-09-2006, 23:43
I voted no.
I think it'll be better, if it's great, (and you've given lots of BVC advice, so I'm guessing it will be) to hold off and give it one big release.
mainaman
26-09-2006, 23:52
voted yes
i prompted you several times to write one . the difference from other guides will not be the set up or stats , but charm set up and detailed explanation of gear choices. Too bad you said it lacks pvp strategies , hope you will add later. Finally there will hopefully a BvC guide stickied and ppl will be able to go read instead of asking the same questions ove and over.
Thoridian
27-09-2006, 00:03
Hell no. Either relase it finished or dont relase it at all until u finish it.
diablotradez
27-09-2006, 00:20
never. bvcs are overrated and too hype. hype like that dumb ff7 game that kids still play today and think its the best rpg.
you are saying your not getting any cockier but the way you posted your avatar doesnt seem like that way.
there are aready alot of web pages about diablo 2 in different languages what makes you think your the only one who knows about this game that people need to wait for 2 months?
if you need to explain every single detail on how to duel with a bvc i think you should name your guide " bvc for dummies"
ever thought of posting this in the barb forum?
nickedoff
27-09-2006, 02:12
Edit - Nevermind, this post was pretty pointless.
i voted yes because i have seen you post some good advice
you have even helped me understand pvp better even though i have no interest in bvc's(sorry). if you can do that, i think it would help the people who always come in this forum and post bvc stuff, along with me.
brick
I was wondering why your name looked so familiar. Now your avatar proves my theory :D.
And yes I'd like a glimpse, I may be regearing a barb for a friend, but when it comes to barbs i mostly just follow guides :]
i'll be voting 'hell no'. if you post it, only half done, then you'll get a lot of criticism (even if you clearly state that its still a work in progress) for leaving stuff out.
despite my vote, i'd like to see you post it when its finished. there's way too many bvc questions being asked over and over again....... But I guess its no worse than the pally forum, with its endless 'how do i make a godly smiter?' threads.
Now, as for this thread. What can i say? Decisiveness is a great trait to have! The poll is a waste of time.
EDIT : having built the topic up, there's going to be high expectations on this guide. if i were you i'd send it to a few people whose knowledge/skills you repsect before you release it. Let them review it and make it an even better guide. give them prop's for their help.
Now now, a lot of good reasons here.
Actually, better ones than I expected. Way better.
Uncle_Mike: The way the poll is has nothing to do with the guide. If it did, I would've actually thought the poll over multiple times.
Pedu: A gambler huh? Well, that's not too bad, there's just this little thing.
Nickedoff: Now, that's a nice one. Thumbs up.:thumbsup:
Mainaman: Another bunch of good reasons here. As I already pointed out, I couldn't possibly go writing PvP strategies based on duels I've had almost half a year ago. That could make them both inaccurate and old.
Thoridian: Now you should know it better than anyone else that if I could, I would be dueling all I can. As for being finished or not, right at the moment I can go as far as explaining EVERYTHING except the strategies. Going into the strategies would be "dangerous".
Diablotradez: FF7 is actually quite a nice game. Most Final Fantasy fans hype it a lot because it's been their first FF-game. I had it different, I first played FFX. As for FF7, it truly is a great game, as it's got very good character, good but very hard character system, a very good storyline. I've always said that it would deserve a remake on PS2.
As for the Diablo-issues: Why are BvCs hyped? Tell me? How come you think they're "overrated"? Usually I take "overrated" as something that's expected to be good but it ends up sucking. Most BvCs suck for simple reasons: Lack of gear, understanding, skill, patience, strategies, knowledge, brain.
What the hell does my Avatar have to do with things? I just happen to like that picture a lot.
The greatness (or lack of it) has nothing to do with length of the poll. I want to let people vote. I want to see lots of different opinions.
As for the details, it's not about being dumb or wise. Actually, it's got so much text that the dumber people will still go with Blobs' guide as it's easier to understand. As for the dueling part, I do not know about it's details, as I would need to actually duel to make the section, and that's impossible right now.
Ronaldo: I did, but there are more BvC talk in the PvP forum.
a brick: Another positive person, how nice. I like people like you.
Mythos: In size, the strategies would range from a quarter to about 2/3rds. As for the lack of it, I've already given good reasons. As for the lack of strategies, that would make it like one of the D2jsp guides, where there's only a bunch of gear listed with no reasons behind a thing and then they say "My char beats everyone so it's the best, owned".
Give a reason to why the poll is a waste?
And to just about everyone who's going to wonder about any logic behind this topic: If I won't write any strategies, it won't of course be a full guide, just a partial one to look and give to people looking for the gear, stats, skills and such. As for the PvP strategies, depending from class, I can always give some tips and pointers, but basing the whole PvP section only on such things would both make it worse and even bad.
diablotradez
27-09-2006, 06:50
you havent played any real rpgs if you think ff7 is any good if was a pile of garbage.
maybe people played ff7 as their first rpg thats why they hype it so much same like some diablo 2 players are barb fans maybe?
people like you are making bvcs look like they are the best overall pvp character.
there are many other builds that are strong and can 1 v7 pubs easily but i dont see anyone hyping it.
XDoomasX
27-09-2006, 07:58
I dont see the point of this thread...just post it when its finished...glimpse of the guide?? are you serious?
i dont think you should post the guide without having strategy sections in it. i made a pvp pally to a guide here but the strategy section is not that good. there are a lot of topics about bvc gear and such, but i think most of the bad bvcs just dont understand how to utilize their character. The guide wouldnt be complete without a strategy section, it would just be more like a gigantic expanded gear selection thread. It is a bit frustrating when im having trouble with a specific build im against and i am unsure about what to fix, and not having a detailed explanation in the guide i followed upsets me. Just my opinion though.
I think that this topic is pointless too. If there is only one yes vote, you might as well post this guide. In my opinion, you have a lot of information on BvCs and regardless of whether or not the majority of people want to hear it or not, you will have some valuable information about BvCs. If you could help only ONE person who passes through here and reads the guide then you should do it. Incomplete or not, some knowledge is better than none.
ToThePoint
27-09-2006, 11:21
please people, beg hard for this guide
Until we prove how much we worship ce olba we will be without his revolutionary guide and our lives meaningless.
teach us o mighty ce olba.
Thoridian
27-09-2006, 13:15
Thoridian: Now you should know it better than anyone else that if I could, I would be dueling all I can. As for being finished or not, right at the moment I can go as far as explaining EVERYTHING except the strategies. Going into the strategies would be "dangerous".
Then dont release UNTIL u finish strategy section lal think everyone wants to read a gg (im sure it is gg) guide and scroll down and there are no strategies ? T.T
Then dont release UNTIL u finish strategy section lal think everyone wants to read a gg (im sure it is gg) guide and scroll down and there are no strategies ? T.T
Well, I have no idea how long it might take that I get to play D2 regularly again. It might be a long time, or a short time.
I wasn't really gonna make a topic like "omfglol ce's bvc guide xd ez'ed" or anything like that. Just rather that I would have a topic where the partial work is held so that people would not need to write the same things over and over again. And even if I cannot make more than maybe 1 PvP strategy that's up-to-date (and that would be windy), I would of course have all the "normal" information, such as howl abusing, leaping, unsummon namelocking, namelocking in general, triwhirls, short whirls, clipping and so.
ToThePoint: Where's the sarcasm tag?
atenza: If the guide is seen as useless and only 1 person out of say, 200 wants it, what's the meaning of posting it?
Ronaldo: Good points. That's why I kinda refuse to post it, or to hurry it. I dislike guides with no strategies. But as I've said earlier, I was rather referring to not having a "guide", but rather a stickied/not-stickied thread with all of the things posted in there. Something that people could link other people to. As for strategies, I've not dueled most of the hybrid builds with success (only met like 2 v/ts, one who was easy as hell, other who was hard a hell (ben)), so making a whole section of them would be against of my personal rules.
kavehtabriaz
27-09-2006, 19:57
I remeber there was a old Bvc guid .it just did not include the torch in it but its not hard to factor torch stat into the build. every thing there is to know about bvc is discussed befor by people who came befor you.
you will probably going to summurized all the questions asked reqarding barbs and turn it into guid.
most likely has no innovation and done befor, my answer is no
I remeber there was a old Bvc guid .it just did not include the torch in it but its not hard to factor torch stat into the build. every thing there is to know about bvc is discussed befor by people who came befor you.
you will probably going to summurized all the questions asked reqarding barbs and turn it into guid.
most likely has no innovation and done befor, my answer is no
I think you're referring to Blobs or MCM.
Well, to answer you:
Blobs' barb was only built for him. Plus it uses random strategies and depends on west dupes in some cases (such as vs. fohers). Also, it allows no flexibility.
If you're referring to mcm, the mistake he keeps making is that all his information are in like 10 different places, making it complicated to track it all up.
As for "new" things, well, I've not seen any of the pros have ANY kind of a charms setup except 32020s. That's not nice for the poorer people. The guide so far includes quite a few different charm setups, ones that at least I haven't seen in too many places.
As for the gear, the only people who have listed some of the reasons for the gear, well, ling and Rom. But their guides are still talking like "if you cannot get dupe X, get whatever dupe your own realm has, you should know about those anyways" which is a bad attitude. That's why those guides are not here.
Then there are all those people-in-wrong who suggest stuff like 20 shout, max block, usage of stormshield, arreats vs all, etc., who should be corrected.
Ok, IMO a guide is not something that the public as a whole should necessarily want. This would mean that the majority would want to build BvCs. If you look at all the other guides out there, how many people actually build those characters except for the hammerdin guides :laugh: .
Helping ONE person build there BvC is surely not a waste of your time. If you could help one person, more power to you. It shouldn't matter if the majority of people don't want to see your guide, it poses almost no effort for you to post your incomplete guide and as I've said before, some knowledge is better than none. If you can convince me to add a guilliames or something to my setup and it helps my build, then congrats, you've made your impact. :thumbsup:
marcello
28-09-2006, 23:29
post it or don't, simple as that.
@ TTP: lmao :laughing:
I voted Yes:thumbsup: . I've been reading ur posts and i've got this kind of fealing that "this guy knows what he's talking about". If u release the guide I'll gladly read it. I think it will help lots of peoples having problems with their bvc's. And think is what i like. U don't just say "use 3/20/20 charms or if u can't afford, ur barb sucks" U say WHY to use something and thats great as there is more options (things should be like this, that u can choose between something). Keep working on this, I hope u get it done! :smiley:
Dennis_KoreanGuy
29-09-2006, 03:00
I do not care what the polls say. I would dearly love to see your bvc guide. Though one can easily pick up all aspects of bvc here and there, it would be much better with a full detailed guide with reasonings behind gear/skill choices.
screw all that bvc hype crap. there's probably "bvc hype" hype more these days.
I do not care what the polls say. I would dearly love to see your bvc guide. Though one can easily pick up all aspects of bvc here and there, it would be much better with a full detailed guide with reasonings behind gear/skill choices.
Well, I've always looked at the guides by Blobs and been wondering like "what the hell was he thinking?". I mean, he doesn't explain a thing, except the Dooms and the Leap. Also, his guide it outdated. As for Dyn's guide, it's more of a BvA, as it suggests max block, but also points out the option of BvC.
Dennis, I think you would faint if you saw how deep I go in gear explanations. It took me 2.5 pages just to get through the Pub setup. And 3 pages to get through the charms. That's A4s with font size 12 in Arial.
screw all that bvc hype crap. there's probably "bvc hype" hype more these days.
Most people like to whine about how "hyped" BvCs are when they themselves either haven't played one or have played a bad one. I've seen people try to play BvCs due to the success they've seen me have. None of them ever got to keep their BvC. As for Thoridian here on the forums. I got to know him in a strange way, and when I learned of his BvCs stats and gear, I told him to remake, which he did. He is one of the few persons I've seen keep a BvC for such a long time. Even though, he has played some other characters between (Bonemancer for example). I myself have played some random PvM characters with my BvC (A zealot that I made to own PvM ages ago, nowadays he is my uber-paladin. His gear change from him to my Wolf, who is my Travirunner for gold. They're equipped with spare charms and gear (believe it or not, there's a 15% ED almost perfect Enigma AP on my wolf).
I voted Yes . I've been reading ur posts and i've got this kind of fealing that "this guy knows what he's talking about". If u release the guide I'll gladly read it. I think it will help lots of peoples having problems with their bvc's. And think is what i like. U don't just say "use 3/20/20 charms or if u can't afford, ur barb sucks" U say WHY to use something and thats great as there is more options (things should be like this, that u can choose between something). Keep working on this, I hope u get it done!
It's nice if there's a vibe/voice/resonance/radiation/feeling that I know my talk. I never had any idea!
Well, I think I've seen too many people simply say "use max/ar/life charms" with no explanations or any alternatives, specially when max/ar/life charms are only better if comparing perfects. Even then the difference in average damage is very minimal. Also, max/ar/life GCs are simply disgusting compared to the ar/life GCs. This can be explained easily: For each three ar/life GCs, you will need 6 max/ar/life GCs, making you lose (with perfect charms, very unlikely) 108 life from the already lost 108, totaling at 216 lost life. For what? +60 max damage which is 65.5 average PvP damage? Not worth it, even if life is "not needed".
If you bothered to look at the examples I posted, you will see that there's quite a few charm setups included (5 total). 2 for the poorer, three for the richer. One is the classic 32020s setup, other is a slight adaption, whereas the third is a HEAVY adaption of it. In the heavy adaption one, you can gain a lot of things: up to 700 mana with angelics OR 500 mana with angelics and 55 stacked to single or 25 to all resistances OR 50 stacked to all resistances or 110% to a single elemental, making all your stacking problems go away (it allows max LR vs. a pure fohadin with 2* legitimate 30% LR rings, pubsetup and made. No anyas involved). And the only thing you lose is ~73 average Pvp damage.
Ok, IMO a guide is not something that the public as a whole should necessarily want. This would mean that the majority would want to build BvCs. If you look at all the other guides out there, how many people actually build those characters except for the hammerdin guides :laugh: .
In my eyes I would want such a thing. D2 is dying and public games are horrible; The more good guides that are posted, better players come out. Which is always a good thing; I dunno about you but I like dueling GOOD duelers.
In my eyes I would want such a thing. D2 is dying and public games are horrible; The more good guides that are posted, better players come out. Which is always a good thing; I dunno about you but I like dueling GOOD duelers.
Better duelers are always better, but it's always the same: the best duelers are not in pubs too much.
Also, the worse duelers are good practise for hard tricks such as mb locking, triwhirling, spear-sniping, etc. They also build up your confidence if you beat up a ton of pubbers.
Btw, what "theory" did you have? Tell me, I am sincerely interested.
Josiphos
29-09-2006, 15:09
I'd say post it.
You've obviously worked hard on it, there is a chance that you may not get to complete the last section, i.e. time constraints.
I was also thinking about building one, just for the reason that they are very different than most of the characters I have. Its always nice to have variety.
I'm relatively new to the forums, but it seems to me that you have a hardcore base of people who dont like you very much. Me, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to think otherwise.
I say post on and see what kind of hits it gets.
You've obviously worked hard on it, there is a chance that you may not get to complete the last section, i.e. time constraints.
Also, I haven't dueled anything except a Windy in the last mm ...4-5 months.
I'm relatively new to the forums, but it seems to me that you have a hardcore base of people who dont like you very much. Me, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to think otherwise.
Well, HappyAssassin, a ww/trap hybrid player has got his eye set on making my life miserable. There are some other people too.
Arbedark
29-09-2006, 18:18
Also, I haven't dueled anything except a Windy in the last mm ...4-5 months.
Well, HappyAssassin, a ww/trap hybrid player has got his eye set on making my life miserable. There are some other people too.
The reason people "try and make you're life misery" is because you blatantly lie about BvC's all the time...Also if you find a forum making you're life misery i suggest you go out and grow a pair...
You have a stupidly superior attitude, which you try and back up by making out that you know everything, which at 15, trust me, you don't.
Why bother posting a poll such as this if not for E-masturbation that you are oh so leet and people will fawn at your feet in order to get just a small glimpse of your amazing guide.
Every topic you ever join turns into: zomg wont work. BvC bettar then that!!!11One!@
You only mention the top BvCs in comparison with mentioning only mediocre / crap incarnations of other characters.
Have I missed anything? It matters not anyway, that was a short list of why people are on you're case...
Also, no I don't ever want to see you're guide. Since it'll simply be a trash guide about how amazing you and you're class is without any proof...
moonlike
29-09-2006, 19:27
[QUOTE=Arbedark]
Every topic you ever join turns into: zomg wont work. BvC bettar then that!!!11One!@
[QUOTE]
BvC's are gods 11!!!!!!!!111122
=)
sory for usless spam :laugh:
Uncle_Mike
29-09-2006, 19:39
BvC's are gods 11!!!!!!!!111122
=)
sory for usless spam :laugh:
WB Maryn, come back plx plx :laugh: They are indeed in the right hands, not too many of them around though, 1 pair less since you play starcraft exclusively...at least make sure your chars do not expire...
Mike
swiftrunner
29-09-2006, 20:03
The reason people "try and make you're life misery" is because you blatantly lie about BvC's all the time...Also if you find a forum making you're life misery i suggest you go out and grow a pair...
You have a stupidly superior attitude, which you try and back up by making out that you know everything, which at 15, trust me, you don't.
Why bother posting a poll such as this if not for E-masturbation that you are oh so leet and people will fawn at your feet in order to get just a small glimpse of your amazing guide.
Every topic you ever join turns into: zomg wont work. BvC bettar then that!!!11One!@
You only mention the top BvCs in comparison with mentioning only mediocre / crap incarnations of other characters.
Have I missed anything? It matters not anyway, that was a short list of why people are on you're case...
Also, no I don't ever want to see you're guide. Since it'll simply be a trash guide about how amazing you and you're class is without any proof...
No need to bark, man. If you're not interested in what Ce Olba has to say in this thread, just shut up and walk out quietly.
I voted yes. :thumbsup:
And oh, if I'm not mistaken Deadeye has posted his BVC guide somewhere (can't remember where), but I think it was awesome. I wonder why he hasn't posted that guide on these forums.
I know you know a lot about BvC's and I surely do respect your knowledge about them, but from a lot of your posts, most of what Arbedark said was true, although slightly exaggerated. To me, sometimes, you do seem like a walking BvC billboard. You mention BvCs in almost all your posts, whether it pertains to them or not. Why not mention Windys, as I do believe they are the class you are 2nd most familiar with?
As for the guide, I voted yes because your hardwork can definetly help people who strive to become good BvCs. Equally as important however, it can provide insight as to how to beat good BvCs. I'm sure you've listed/will list what a BvC should NOT do in certain situations, and that in turn, that can enable anti-bvc duelers to be more keen about these situations (i.e. try to force the bvc into making these mistakes).
By the way, I don't know why you had "No", "No way", and "Never" in your poll choices when they essentially mean the same thing. In my opinion, it skews the results because you basically have three "No" choices and one "Yes" choice.
Since I know your going to quote this stuff, I seperated into paragraphs for your convenience.
Arbedark
29-09-2006, 21:28
No need to bark, man. If you're not interested in what Ce Olba has to say in this thread, just shut up and walk out quietly.
I voted yes. :thumbsup:
And oh, if I'm not mistaken Deadeye has posted his BVC guide somewhere (can't remember where), but I think it was awesome. I wonder why he hasn't posted that guide on these forums.
Then no need to quote me then? If you're not interested in what I have to say, just shut up and walk out quietly eh? :rolleyes:
This is my view, don't read it if you don't want. I actually couldn't care less.
I am merely giving Ce Olba an insight into why people dislike him. Which I have already given many times before I might add.
So yeah, less ego-massage please Ce Olba. If you want to post you're half-assed guide then go ahead. Or post the full version. I hardly think its going to be a life-changing event, or even cause a ripple on the already choppy waters known as life...
Dennis_KoreanGuy
29-09-2006, 21:40
Then no need to quote me then? If you're not interested in what I have to say, just shut up and walk out quietly eh? :rolleyes:
This is my view, don't read it if you don't want. I actually couldn't care less.
I am merely giving Ce Olba an insight into why people dislike him. Which I have already given many times before I might add.
So yeah, less ego-massage please Ce Olba. If you want to post you're half-assed guide then go ahead. Or post the full version. I hardly think its going to be a life-changing event, or even cause a ripple on the already choppy waters known as life...
So now you come straight out and say you dislike him. Not the bvc hype, or maybe bc of bvc hype, but you just dislike the guy...?
Lol? I understand many people feel upset about the hype, and I agree with some aspects but your last paragraph was just retarded.
1. Half-***? I'd like to see you make a full-*** guide and match his half-*** one.
2. Cause a ripple in choppy waters known as life? I'm sure his guide will effect dii forums much more than you will ever do, and though it may not "change life", he's trying. What have you done / will do to cause a ripple on the waters of life? If his very detailed guide on a very popular build of this game won't, whining about bvc hype / making personal insults around here sure won't.
swiftrunner
29-09-2006, 21:51
So now you come straight out and say you dislike him. Not the bvc hype, or maybe bc of bvc hype, but you just dislike the guy...?
Lol? I understand many people feel upset about the hype, and I agree with some aspects but your last paragraph was just retarded.
1. Half-***? I'd like to see you make a full-*** guide and match his half-*** one.
2. Cause a ripple in choppy waters known as life? I'm sure his guide will effect dii forums much more than you will ever do, and though it may not "change life", he's trying. What have you done / will do to cause a ripple on the waters of life? If his very detailed guide on a very popular build of this game won't, whining about bvc hype / making personal insults around here sure won't.
Dennis, don't sweat it. This guy clearly has issues.
Arbedark
29-09-2006, 21:57
So now you come straight out and say you dislike him. Not the bvc hype, or maybe bc of bvc hype, but you just dislike the guy...?
Lol? I understand many people feel upset about the hype, and I agree with some aspects but your last paragraph was just retarded.
1. Half-***? I'd like to see you make a full-*** guide and match his half-*** one.
2. Cause a ripple in choppy waters known as life? I'm sure his guide will effect dii forums much more than you will ever do, and though it may not "change life", he's trying. What have you done / will do to cause a ripple on the waters of life? If his very detailed guide on a very popular build of this game won't, whining about bvc hype / making personal insults around here sure won't.
Ha!
Sorry. Gave me a nice laugh!
Yes, I dislike Ce Olba. So what? I don't dislike him because he hypes BvC's. I dislike him because I dislike him.
You do realise that it is acceptable to criticise something without having the ego to think that you can do better yes? I'm sure his guide is probably better than anything I could write. Doesnt make it any less half-assed though.
Have an effect on the dii forums? Sorry but in my opinion real life matters a lot more than a set of forums. If you think not, then i sincerely feel sorry for you. Any guide he writes will do nothing more than irritate me, or impress others. So yes, it will have no effect one LIFE as many people know it. This was merely a response to his constant need for attention and begging for his godly guide. If you see it different, fair enough, you are entitled to you're own opinion.
Dennis, don't sweat it. This guy clearly has issues.
Care to elaborate on these "issues" that I have please? Saves me the time and money going to a psych if you do. Cheers! :thumbsup:
Btw, what "theory" did you have? Tell me, I am sincerely interested.
I'm sure I have many :brainiac: . I don't remember what the subject was on this last 'theory' I have, was it in this thread?
rofl i go for like a week and this is wot the forums come to?
This thread shows that alot of ppl have problems or issues of some kind, we may have are dissagreements here but why should it get personal?
Heck, u don't even know the ppl in real life?
Anyway keep up the work on the guide il be interested to see and maybe add some useful thoughts or info on ur guide.
Uncle_Mike
29-09-2006, 22:49
I'm sure I have many :brainiac: . I don't remember what the subject was on this last 'theory' I have, was it in this thread?
Nice to have you on dii.net Camden... I mean it :thumbsup:
@sic_halo these "issues" have been around
Arb has every right to say what he says...
In general:
I still think that a thread on "whether a thread should be posted" is rather ridiculous, self-centered and plain funny. The idea itself that we are to discuss it for 60 days is incredible...
Olba is, and has been, offensive in his postings since forever. He feels like reporting people for various reasons and yet bypasses the word filter himself, flames and so on - double standards anyone? Ofc he does not, and most likely never will, acknowledge it. The more people claim he is offensive the more they are wrong it seems, according to him...who cares...
D2 is an old game and I simply cannot see Olba's guide as being groundbreaking etc. Might turn out to be a nice compilation of threads but nothing more, face it. I would gladly read and discuss it but this thread is a JOKE.
As far as the hype is concerned....if he does post his guide it will only mean plenty more pub ezpk barbs around. Barb is one of the hardest chars to master. one sure can post how most if not all builds are easy for barbs and how there are like two smiters that cause problems etc. (just one now since Goldwrap has quit?). I am fine with that. Already 1 in 10 barbs causes any problems whatsoever for my ghetto hammer and I mean ghetto. The difference between top barbs and barbs in general on each realm is huge. And it is not about the charm setup. It is about perfect short whirls, perfect timing, well chosen equip setups and so on. Barbs are no longer the superior class unless in the hands of a ultra skilled player. And if the player is ultra skilled he can also be a "gosu" smiter or bone nec or almost whatever char. The learning curve on barbs is steep and has hardly anything to do with gear provided you have the basic grief/beast coa setup.
My 2 cents,
Mike
Mike: We're all young once... Arrogance dies with age :>
moonlike
29-09-2006, 23:18
Already 1 in 10 barbs causes any problems whatsoever for my ghetto hammer and I mean ghetto. The difference between top barbs and barbs in general on each realm is huge. And it is not about the charm setup. It is about perfect short whirls, perfect timing, well chosen equip setups and so on. Barbs are no longer the superior class unless in the hands of a ultra skilled player. And if the player is ultra skilled he can also be a "gosu" smiter or bone nec or almost whatever char. The learning curve on barbs is steep and has hardly anything to do with gear provided you have the basic grief/beast coa setup.
yes, but gosu barb can beat all chars(maybe except bvb but its doable also)
other gosu chars cant beat all , smiter cant beat good hammer, ama smiter etc
with barb u learn long and its hard but if u master him u can beat all without switching to other chars (thats why i liked so much my barb :wink3: )
Uncle_Mike
29-09-2006, 23:30
yes, but gosu barb can beat all chars(maybe except bvb but its doable also)
other gosu chars cant beat all , smiter cant beat good hammer, ama smiter etc
with barb u learn long and its hard but if u master him u can beat all without switching to other chars (thats why i liked so much my barb :wink3: )
again: make sure your barb does not expire and come back some time. I agree that barb is a fun and a very good char to play, what we are discussing here is the barb-hype. When I say best barbs I mean you and only a handfull of others :wink3:
Mike
HappyAssassin
29-09-2006, 23:43
Well, HappyAssassin, a ww/trap hybrid player has got his eye set on making my life miserable. There are some other people too.
This gave me a laugh, it's nice to know I'm having an impact. Yes, I don't like you. No, I don't want your life to be miserable. Although, as Arbe said, if the dislike of a 18 year old kid 6000 miles away from you can have that kind of impact, I suggest spending a little less time online.
1. Half-***? I'd like to see you make a full-*** guide and match his half-*** one.
Well, I HAVE written a full-*** guide, and I did it with quite a bit of help from Arbe. The final version is in the Assassin forum, and in fact my own final character is based in part on his suggestions. So there's a contribution for you.
Personnally, I'd love to see a full BvC guide, it's a character class I really enjoy playing. My concern is that any guide he puts out will follow the thread of his forum posts, which are (my opinion of course) ladden with hype and theory crafting to the point of being destructive rather than helpful. A good, balanced guide with an eye towards helping people new to the class would sure increase my respect for him.
That said, I voted "Hell No," because the concept of a poll for this is just absurd.
[edit]
Mmkay, nevermind, you seem to know what you're talking about. Still, the poll is kinda unnecessary. Just post it if you want, or don't if you don't :)
marcello
30-09-2006, 11:53
"swiftrunner and Dennis_Koreanguys joins the thread, Ce Olbas minions grows stronger"
Lol same old..
2 ppl complain then a floodgate of other ppl start to complain..
"swiftrunner and Dennis_Koreanguys joins the thread, Ce Olbas minions grows stronger"
Wots that supposed to mean? If u don't have anything better to say then don't post...
Lol same old..
2 ppl complain then a floodgate of other ppl start to complain..
"swiftrunner and Dennis_Koreanguys joins the thread, Ce Olbas minions grows stronger"
Wots that supposed to mean? If u don't have anything better to say then don't post...
I thought it was funny...
irrelevant and pointless thread really, if you have a guide by all means post it but to start a poll is just ridiculous.... unless the point of the thread is to build e-pride that is. anyone have that image of the troll, i feel its quite appropriate for this thread. if the mods decide to make a forum for trolling this could be quite easily moved. haha sucked in by a 15 year old kid... goto make you laugh.
Arbedark
30-09-2006, 12:53
Lol same old..
2 ppl complain then a floodgate of other ppl start to complain..
"swiftrunner and Dennis_Koreanguys joins the thread, Ce Olbas minions grows stronger"
Wots that supposed to mean? If u don't have anything better to say then don't post...
Then follow your own advice sometime. If u don't have anything better to say then don't post......
We're all entitled to our opinions on this mockery of a thread created by Ce Olba...
A single week gone and the forum is screwed up, *sight*
Well no sweat, im here!
I didnt vote at all, but I would like to see youre full guide, just like I read most guides.
swiftrunner
30-09-2006, 15:34
Have an effect on the dii forums? Sorry but in my opinion real life matters a lot more than a set of forums. If you think not, then i sincerely feel sorry for you. Any guide he writes will do nothing more than irritate me, or impress others. So yes, it will have no effect one LIFE as many people know it. This was merely a response to his constant need for attention and begging for his godly guide. If you see it different, fair enough, you are entitled to you're own opinion.
Are you always this irritating? Seriously, if you think RL matters more then why are you here *****in about Ce Olba? Just quit it. Turn off your computer, go get laid or something. Everything you've said just makes you look pathetic. What horrible things has he done to you to deserve all the crap you've thrown at him?
I suggest spending a little less time online.
Practice what you preach, kid.
"swiftrunner and Dennis_Koreanguys joins the thread, Ce Olbas minions grows stronger"
Ha ... ha ... Very funny ............................. NOT!
Arbedark
30-09-2006, 16:08
Are you always this irritating? Seriously, if you think RL matters more then why are you here *****in about Ce Olba? Just quit it. Turn off your computer, go get laid or something. Everything you've said just makes you look pathetic. What horrible things has he done to you to deserve all the crap you've thrown at him?
Practice what you preach, kid.
Ha ... ha ... Very funny ............................. NOT!
I do TRY to be irritating. If it's working then looks like I'm succeding eh?
Seriously, if you think RL mattes LESS then please go get help kk? And I'm here "*****ing about Ce Olba" because it's called free speech. I'm entitled to my own opinion, which i just felt the overwhelming urge to share with all of you :rolleyes: . Don't like it? Don't read. Simple as.
"Go get laid"?
Sure thing :thumbsup: Since you are so all commanding I'll make sure I never turn my computer on again to check some forums, not even in my spare time...[/sarcasm - think you'll need this tag.....]
Edit: Just had to add that by adding such a petty comment you are truly showing you're ignorance, immature nature and simple mind. It IS possible to balance RL and D2, just because maybe you can't do it doesnt mean that other people can't. Many people here have wives, girlfriends, husbands etc and lead content lives with a bit of "fun" from D2. Just a small thought for a small mind :wink3:
"What horrible things has he done to you to deserve all the crap you've thrown at him?"
If you think this is throwing crap at him then you are sorely mistaken. This is me being relatively nice.
And I think if you read a bit better you'll find out that I stated earlier that I simply don't like him. I have my reasons, so what? NOW I don't like you, and I don't even know you. Guess snap judgements ARE good things afterall, time saving and all that jazz.
swiftrunner
30-09-2006, 18:55
I do TRY to be irritating. If it's working then looks like I'm succeding eh?
Seriously, if you think RL mattes LESS then please go get help kk? And I'm here "*****ing about Ce Olba" because it's called free speech. I'm entitled to my own opinion, which i just felt the overwhelming urge to share with all of you :rolleyes: . Don't like it? Don't read. Simple as.
"Go get laid"?
Sure thing :thumbsup: Since you are so all commanding I'll make sure I never turn my computer on again to check some forums, not even in my spare time...[/sarcasm - think you'll need this tag.....]
Edit: Just had to add that by adding such a petty comment you are truly showing you're ignorance, immature nature and simple mind. It IS possible to balance RL and D2, just because maybe you can't do it doesnt mean that other people can't. Many people here have wives, girlfriends, husbands etc and lead content lives with a bit of "fun" from D2. Just a small thought for a small mind :wink3:
"What horrible things has he done to you to deserve all the crap you've thrown at him?"
If you think this is throwing crap at him then you are sorely mistaken. This is me being relatively nice.
And I think if you read a bit better you'll find out that I stated earlier that I simply don't like him. I have my reasons, so what? NOW I don't like you, and I don't even know you. Guess snap judgements ARE good things afterall, time saving and all that jazz.
Well, I’m sorry for my poor reading skill.
But if you think I meant to imply that RL is less important then you’re mistaken because:
1. I probably didn’t say it right because I’m not a native speaker of English and my English sucks and I just started learning English intensively two years ago so I probably need to rephrase what I said but I’m too bored right now so I won’t.
2. I have a life outside D2. I go to school every day, go out for a date with my girlfriend, go to the beach at weekends, just like any other kid. Playing D2 is just a little entertainment I have two or three times a week (though I used to play a lot more in the past).
I said what I said because I wanted to show you that what you’re doing is worse than what Ce Olba is trying to do here. Although he sounds cocky, he at least is offering something useful here (even if you think it won’t be) -- a guide. Yes, it’s freedom of speech. But I’d rather see you do something more useful and constructive like, I don’t know, write a gg ww/fire trapper guide? Instead of criticizing his yet-to-be-released guide, why don’t you wait and see how the guide turns out? If it turns out to be bad or full of bs, then go ahead thrash it. ‘Any guide he writes will do nothing more than irritate me,’ you said. And how’s that? You haven’t even seen it yet, man.
You keep saying ‘if you don’t like my post, then don’t read it’. May be you should do that yourself. If you find Ce Olba and everything he writes in his posts irritating, may be you shouldn’t read them.
Yes, you have every right not to like me. I couldn’t care less. You are of no importance in my life. You can call me whatever you like if that helps to boost your e-pride. And I’m sorry that I said such stupid things as ‘go get laid’ lol. I don’t know what I was thinking.
And oh, I luv the way you keep paraphrasing my sentences. I find it useful because it helps me learn to paraphrase English sentences.
I’ll be 15 on October 17, so yeah, I still have three years until I reach the mature age (is that the correct term?). Am I ignorant and narrow minded? Well, you’re free to judge. Perhaps you could also suggest some good books for me to read so that I can enhance my knowledge and at the same time improve my English?
Sorry for my simple English. You’re free to make any correction on diction, spelling, and/or grammar.
Edit: if I didn't put the sarcasm tags anywhere that's because I'm not at all being sarcastic.
stoutewolf
30-09-2006, 19:11
i voted hell no because i don't need to get owned more by well build barbs :cry:
just joking :thumbsup: , it will prolly a nice guide :wink3:
heres my opinion. Post parts of the guide little by little. If people want to see it, then they can read it. If they dont, then they dont have to read it. You can have people discuss about it and then further improve the guide little by little as time goes by. I wish it could be this way, but we all know that something like this will not happen without somebody stopping by and talking smack, or somebody stopping by and saying stop the hype.
This seems like an ego stroking exercise.
Do you want to see my guide? Not to be nasty, but why do you care if anyone wants to see it? You shouldn't need this sort of validation. If you feel that there is a need on this forum for a more comprehensive guide, or you have something innovative to offer, then do it. Don't submit a poll in a public forum inquiring, that is juvenile.
With that being said, if the guide is fairly close to completion then you could post it as a draft - asking for input. Don't post it if it is only half complete or missing key areas. Take the extra few days to write up the sections to flesh it out.
Post it when it is complete or close to completion. Until then, let's let this die.
Dennis_KoreanGuy
30-09-2006, 20:21
Arbe, aside from your whine about anything and everything and random rampage of idonlikeu, i donlikeu, and i dont like u, your general point of;
"You spend too much time online, go get a life"
has been/is/will be the most pathetic comment to make to anything.
I must say though I do question the reason of this poll, I do not see this as olba's "ego stroking exercise".
Arbedark
30-09-2006, 21:20
Arbe, aside from your whine about anything and everything and random rampage of idonlikeu, i donlikeu, and i dont like u, your general point of;
"You spend too much time online, go get a life"
has been/is/will be the most pathetic comment to make to anything.
I must say though I do question the reason of this poll, I do not see this as olba's "ego stroking exercise".
Dennis if you had any sense at all you would notice that that is hardly my general point. It was merely a response to you're ill-advised reference that the dii.net forums are in fact "life". I was stating that his guide is not going to have an effect on anyones life, so this is a rather useless thread, just go ahead and post your guide already or never post it, i couldn't care less. You then took this to mean that his guide is going to have an effect on "life" by affecting the D2 forums. By which i responded with (paraphrasing) "if the dii.net forums are your life, then i suggest you get help". Then the thread degenerates from there.
If my posts must have a general point then it is in the vicinity of: "this is a crap e-pride / e-go thread. why on earth would anyone want to post such a useless thread. post your guide if you must, but i hardly think its worth it, you already hype bvcs in threads where bvc hype is not needed"
In response to swiftrunner:
How is posting this thread "useful"? Posting his guide might be, to somebody (although they could probably get the same information just by searching for the last 5 of Ce Olba's posts and amalgamating them into one, no matter their original source). I'm merely denouncing this as a stupid e-pride massage thread.
I must say that emar has the most accurate and sensible reply to this farcical topic so far.
Then follow your own advice sometime. ...
We're all entitled to our opinions on this mockery of a thread created by Ce Olba...
Atleast my post always show some relevants to the topic.
But going on a rampage of critisising and a useless comment which i quoted in my last post is definetly not helpful to the guide or support/advice in the thread, after all the point of this thread is to discuss the guide right?
If u have problems with him pm him, but listening to these threads of ppl whining and complaining is just as irritating, and worst of all this is not the first thread this crap needs to stop.
And u must actually care about this cuz after all why are u guys still posting? :thumbsup:
PhatTrumpet
01-10-2006, 02:03
To add to what emar said, people need to be extremely careful with how they word things on a forum. It's so easy for others to misunderstand the intent of a poorly-worded post since there's no voice inflection to reinforce it.
I imagine (and hope, for his own sake) that English is not Ce Olba's first language. If such is the case, the language barrier issue could very well result in his posts coming across as conceited, unintentionally. Otherwise... what emar said.
To Ce Olba: a less-egotistical-sounding post could have gone something like this:
"I've got this partially-complete BvC guide. Do you guys think I should go ahead and post it as-is or should I wait until it's finished to post it? Keep in mind that it won't likely be finished in the very near future."
Don't say things like, "Wanna see a glimpse of Ce Olba's blah blah?" That makes you sound full of yourself... like we should feel immensely priviledged to get even just a tiny peek at [b]your guide.
Don't tell people to give detailed reasons why they do or do not want you to post it. This isn't even the type of thing that you should need reasons for. It's a poll, not a debate; a simple "yes" or "no" should suffice. People will post reasons if they feel like, regardless of what you tell them to do.
But back on topic though... just post it as a draft. This is a community that thrives on the generous contribution of knowledge and information. To withhold information for no particular reason would be somewhat selfish. Even if you're never able to finish the guide, at least post it so that someone else knowledgable on the subject can take what you've done so far and run with it.
i would really like to see a gear section of a good bvc guide. i can learn the strategy as i go but i would like to see stash gear and pub setup, setups vs certain chars etc etc. Can atleast post or pm me that part ce olba?
HappyAssassin
01-10-2006, 02:57
Practice what you preach, kid.
I do. All your post proves is that you have nothing worthwhile to say. And don't call me 'kid'.
Smithenator
01-10-2006, 02:57
I voted yes, because it seems like you put alot of hard work into this guide and even if it isnt complete, it would be nice to see your early drafts.
On a slightly unrelated point, although I agree Ce Olba is a bit conceited, I dont think he deserves being treated the way Arbedark( who I respect as a player, but honestly is being a bit of a dick) is treating him. Thats just my 2 cents.
Ill now proceed to dissapear into the shadows...
Arbedark
01-10-2006, 12:19
Atleast my post always show some relevants to the topic.
But going on a rampage of critisising and a useless comment which i quoted in my last post is definetly not helpful to the guide or support/advice in the thread, after all the point of this thread is to discuss the guide right?
If u have problems with him pm him, but listening to these threads of ppl whining and complaining is just as irritating, and worst of all this is not the first thread this crap needs to stop.
And u must actually care about this cuz after all why are u guys still posting? :thumbsup:
Does THAT post show any relevance to the topic we're in? No. Face it Sic, you're as bad as me.
"If u have problems with him pm him"
If you have problems with me pm me? Same applies ok. Gotta love a bit of hypocrisy in the morning eh? :thumbsup:
" but listening to these threads of ppl whining and complaining is just as irritating"
And listening to the same old "ZOMG! bvC = G0dLeh! UR IDEA wonT! work. Cuz BvC >>> Thats!!!!" is irritating too...
"And u must actually care about this cuz after all why are u guys still posting?"
Not really. It's part of my routine to come on here and reply to a few topics. I just happen to enjoy denouncing Ce Olba. I could just as easily hype BvCs to nearly the same extent as Mr Olba if I felt like it, but i don't. Capiche?
Come on guys, flame me more and try and take the moral high ground. It's funny seeing you no better than me flaming Ce Olba thinking you're all so pure :evil:
Don't try classing or putting me in the same boat as u as it's not me running arround throwing insults or causing disturbance, maybe u did not like this topic but if i see a topic i dislike i simply do not post in it, i don't go on a flame just cuz i have the right to type and reply?
Like i say if u don't like something ignore it simple, this way there is very little problems or confusion needed.
I don't have problems with anyone here but im just saying all this crap needs to stop, this is a place where we talk about pvp builds, viablity and give advice to ppl on certain builds not grill each other like this.
"It's part of my routine to come on here and reply to a few topics. I just happen to enjoy denouncing Ce Olba."
U clearly have unsorted issues with him and this is not the first time either...
Sure sometimes the BvC hype can be bad but to be honnest i hardly see a post were it get far out of hand, i know u prolly class me again in the same boat but i like most pvp builds other than my bvc i like my ww/trapper and mage, u hear me talk about these builds alot.
Edit
If u still feel we have a problem feel free to pm, but seriously can't be bothered to argue...
The reason people "try and make you're life misery" is because you blatantly lie about BvC's all the time...Also if you find a forum making you're life misery i suggest you go out and grow a pair...
I was just trying to say that if they have a problem with me, why not say so?
You have a stupidly superior attitude, which you try and back up by making out that you know everything, which at 15, trust me, you don't.
Sorry, I am 16 now.
Sorry, I do not have a superior attitude. Look at Blobs. He had a superior attitude. I've never said I know everything.
Why bother posting a poll such as this if not for E-masturbation that you are oh so leet and people will fawn at your feet in order to get just a small glimpse of your amazing guide.
I really hate it when people try making up stupid examples like this only to show how their posts need fillers and that their arguments suck.
Every topic you ever join turns into: zomg wont work. BvC bettar then that!!!11One!@
Isn't my fault that people talk like "omfg lol I>BvC" and when I go in and say I doubt, it turns into a war, where I am not the only one.
You only mention the top BvCs in comparison with mentioning only mediocre / crap incarnations of other characters.
Hello kitty? Goldwrap was the best smiter v all player on Europe, I always use him as an example of a good smiter.
Ben is the best V/T and anti-barb player on Europe. I always use him as an example of a good V/T.
Vic is the best hammerdin player on Europe. I always use him as an example of a good hammerdin.
Just to mention a few good players that I have never even beaten.
Also, no I don't ever want to see you're guide. Since it'll simply be a trash guide about how amazing you and you're class is without any proof...
And Blobs of course never was like that?
The guide would rather be a very thorough mass of things explaining why to do this and why to do that. As for the strategies part, I will have to see.
And I can promise you that there will be no stuff like "lol this clas is ez, ww away". I'm not like that.
I'm sure I have many . I don't remember what the subject was on this last 'theory' I have, was it in this thread?
Now you mess me up.
Olba is, and has been, offensive in his postings since forever. He feels like reporting people for various reasons and yet bypasses the word filter himself, flames and so on - double standards anyone? Ofc he does not, and most likely never will, acknowledge it. The more people claim he is offensive the more they are wrong it seems, according to him...who cares...
Show me any post where I try to bypass the wordfilter? I've always obeyed it to the very point.
I rarely end up flaming people, unless they piss me off. And that's all due to a temperament from my mother's side.
Just give me a .txt file where all my "flames" and "bypasses of the wordfilter" are and I can give you reasons, most likely.
How is posting this thread "useful"? Posting his guide might be, to somebody (although they could probably get the same information just by searching for the last 5 of Ce Olba's posts and amalgamating them into one, no matter their original source). I'm merely denouncing this as a stupid e-pride massage thread.
I couldn't really care about e-pride. There is just a thing that ever since I started posting my opinions as a BvC player, my reputation has gotten from "a random BvC player" to "a BvC expert" in some people's eyes. Not my fault.
To Ce Olba: a less-egotistical-sounding post could have gone something like this:
"I've got this partially-complete BvC guide. [Briefly describe its focus, what sections you've completed so far, how you won't be able to finish it right away, how the guide might help curb some of the numerous BvC question threads, etc.] Do you guys think I should go ahead and post it as-is or should I wait until it's finished to post it? Keep in mind that it won't likely be finished in the very near future."
How nice that someone is actually trying to fix the situation instead of arguing. You get my points!
Don't say things like, "Wanna see a glimpse of Ce Olba's blah blah?" That makes you sound full of yourself... like we should feel immensely priviledged to get even just a tiny peek at your guide.
Well, the name of the topic might've been bad, but it was the best I could come up with in like two minutes. Yes I've always been bad naming texts.
Don't tell people to give detailed reasons why they do or do not want you to post it. This isn't even the type of thing that you should need reasons for. It's a poll, not a debate; a simple "yes" or "no" should suffice. People will post reasons if they feel like, regardless of what you tell them to do.
I never really "told" or "forced" them to post their reasons, I just said that it would be nice if they did, as that would help me out, most likely.
i would really like to see a gear section of a good bvc guide. i can learn the strategy as i go but i would like to see stash gear and pub setup, setups vs certain chars etc etc. Can atleast post or pm me that part ce olba?
I will have to see. I'm done with the pub gear, but I've barely touched the stash gear section.
And listening to the same old "ZOMG! bvC = G0dLeh! UR IDEA wonT! work. Cuz BvC >>> Thats!!!!" is irritating too...
I've almost always given QUITE good reasons to why so.
I imagine (and hope, for his own sake) that English is not Ce Olba's first language. If such is the case, the language barrier issue could very well result in his posts coming across as conceited, unintentionally. Otherwise... what emar said.
English is not my first language, but it's my first foreign language (as in the one that I've been studying for the longest time (6 years and counting).
Seriously, if you think RL mattes LESS then please go get help kk? And I'm here "*****ing about Ce Olba" because it's called free speech. I'm entitled to my own opinion, which i just felt the overwhelming urge to share with all of you . Don't like it? Don't read. Simple as.
READ THE RULES! It clearly says that if you base any of your flames or such on the account of "freedom of speech", that won't work.
And why does that work? Because in a way, the forum is a place to which you have a free invitation, but you have to obey their rules. Simple.
swiftrunner
01-10-2006, 16:12
All your post proves is that you have nothing worthwhile to say.
Whining and crying and hijacking somebody else's thread aren't exactly worthwhile either.
Gotta love a bit of hypocrisy in the morning eh?
says the hypocrite who keeps telling people to ignore his post if they don't like it but can't make himself ignore other people's posts when he doesn't like them.
No offense, but could you guys take your personal hatred issue to somewhere else? That would A) prevent you from getting banned because of flaming B) Make this thread look a little better C) what else?.
what was the point of the poll?
you said if more than 60% of the posters said they wanted to see it you would post an incomplete part but then posted again imediately and stated you forgot to post an incomplete part of your guide to which you supplied a link... pointless poll seing as you have egnored your own poll completely....
just post the guide in full or dont post the guide at all, thats the gist of the replys you are getting. those that want to read it will and those that dont i guess wont. gl with your guide btw, even though i consider this a most useless of threads i will read the guide if you ever get round to making it.
what was the point of the poll?
you said if more than 60% of the posters said they wanted to see it you would post an incomplete part but then posted again imediately and stated you forgot to post an incomplete part of your guide to which you supplied a link... pointless poll seing as you have egnored your own poll completely....
just post the guide in full or dont post the guide at all, thats the gist of the replys you are getting. those that want to read it will and those that dont i guess wont. gl with your guide btw, even though i consider this a most useless of threads i will read the guide if you ever get round to making it.
The small parts posted were just a small piece of the guide. It's barely the charms and stats covered.
As for the complete one, I do not know if I will ever have it completed due to errors with my PC, so I possibly cannot make a valid strategy section.
And about the usefulness or uselessness of the topic, do you consider all the "Help BvC please" topics to be useful then? Specially since there's always a ton of them? Or what about all the "hammerdin>BvC" topics Kaython made?
Someone asked why I made the choices "Hell No", "Never" and "No", as they are almost the same.
Well, "Never", I take it as you will never want me to post it, be it complete or not.
"No" is a simple answer.
"Hell No" is a stronger version of "No", it has more emotions attached to it. Might even contain hatred.
The small parts posted were just a small piece of the guide. It's barely the charms and stats covered.
As for the complete one, I do not know if I will ever have it completed due to errors with my PC, so I possibly cannot make a valid strategy section.
And about the usefulness or uselessness of the topic, do you consider all the "Help BvC please" topics to be useful then? Specially since there's always a ton of them? Or what about all the "hammerdin>BvC" topics Kaython made?
Someone asked why I made the choices "Hell No", "Never" and "No", as they are almost the same.
Well, "Never", I take it as you will never want me to post it, be it complete or not.
"No" is a simple answer.
"Hell No" is a stronger version of "No", it has more emotions attached to it. Might even contain hatred.
hmm, no=no
yes=yes
you can make it as simple or as complicated as you like.
hmm, no=no
yes=yes
you can make it as simple or as complicated as you like.
More details = better.
i would like to read it, the posts i ve seen from you so far show you know quite a bit about bvcs and im also interested in bvcs as i love wwsins and im just thinkin about doing a bvc as well.
btw ce olba, just read you are in euscnl, so would you mind telling me your charname? thanks.
i would like to read it, the posts i ve seen from you so far show you know quite a bit about bvcs and im also interested in bvcs as i love wwsins and im just thinkin about doing a bvc as well.
btw ce olba, just read you are in euscnl, so would you mind telling me your charname? thanks.
Mutodori is my BvC.
He has been out of constant action for quite a while though. It all started with a real life issue which took me away from diablo for a week, and when I got back, I barely could play any games anymore. That was ~5 months ago. But I've been refreshing and going to random pub games every now and then though.
post1
So, if enough "Yes" votes are casted (more than 60% of the votes), i will publish an incomplete part of it.
post2
Here's a little part of the guide:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost....89&postcount=5
kind of defeats the object of a poll. ie not waiting for the pollers to vote.
"Hell No" is a stronger version of "No", it has more emotions attached to it. Might even contain hatred.
this is just paranoid.
post1
post2
kind of defeats the object of a poll. ie not waiting for the pollers to vote.
But simply voting based on my normal posts here on the forum would make it rather foolish. Also that part was something I had posted already, and it doesn't cover all or even half of the material in the guide.
this is just paranoid.
Hell No!
HappyAssassin
01-10-2006, 21:15
Whining and crying and hijacking somebody else's thread aren't exactly worthwhile either.
Find me one quote of me "whining and crying" please. Little pkers on bnet have been saying "cry" for ages, it's the standard response when they want to feel like they're having an impact.
Anyway, @ Olba, this thread will not be "looking better" until you go elsewhere, since that's where the flame war goes. Really, its a result of no actual fault of your own, but flames on this forum stick to you like you were coated in gasoline. And you're right, you're a hell of a lot better than Blobs in terms of the superiority complex, but he was about worst I've seen online or off, so that's not saying too much. You rub people the wrong way, it's probobly due to language. People jump at stuff you say because you say it like its the only knowledge left in the world. I'm NOT talking about the words you write, its the way they are put together. I honestly don't remember why I don't like you at this point, which is just stupid and pointless. The thing that can change all this is for both "sides" to just chill out a little. Maybe the next time there's a BvC > all thread, 20 people won't jump on it and cause another 7 page mess. Maybe next time someone thinks the "hype" is too much, they shouldnt make a similar 10 page thread (as I'm guilty of doing).
Thoridian
01-10-2006, 21:17
blabla meni ger ot krai here
Anyway, @ Olba, this thread will not be "looking better" until you go elsewhere, since that's where the flame war goes. Really, its a result of no actual fault of your own, but flames on this forum stick to you like you were coated in gasoline.
Too bad. Cannot do a thing about that then, can we?
And you're right, you're a hell of a lot better than Blobs in terms of the superiority complex, but he was about worst I've seen online or off, so that's not saying too much.
Well, at least I am not the worst then, that's good.
You rub people the wrong way, it's probobly due to language. People jump at stuff you say because you say it like its the only knowledge left in the world. I'm NOT talking about the words you write, its the way they are put together.
Example?
I honestly don't remember why I don't like you at this point, which is just stupid and pointless. The thing that can change all this is for both "sides" to just chill out a little.
Then why are you still against me if you do not even remember why you should? That makes no logical sense. Unless the reason for you to be against me is that you do not remember why, which again makes no sense.
Maybe the next time there's a BvC > all thread, 20 people won't jump on it and cause another 7 page mess. Maybe next time someone thinks the "hype" is too much, they shouldnt make a similar 10 page thread (as I'm guilty of doing).
The guilty people should think about what they did.
The jury should think about what they decided at the time.
The defense should think about if their defense was based on valid things or not.
The offense should think about why should they be against the defense.
blabla meni ger ot krai here
In English and what's the point of such a post?
killian27
01-10-2006, 22:34
Ce Olba, allow me to be frank (I'm normally Paul, but I'll be frank for now (comedy ftw?)). As I've read your posts, though seemingly knowledgeable and insightful, your words carry an underlying tone of superiority and flippancy. I'd have to say that the "tone" of your posts had tilted the balance (for me) to dislike what you have to say. HOWEVER, and I don't want this to sound condescending, when I see that you are a mere 16 years old AND English is your second language I don't think you are half-bad... hell I bet you are a stand-up guy. Do I think a 16 year old deserves a little slack? Damn right. Hell when I was 16 there was no venue available for me to voice my comments or opinions to a worldwide audience... well I guess usenet was there, but I had no access to it.
Now, nay Sayers may say (nayly I might add), that there are plenty of 16 year olds here that aren't causing so much hub bub... well, that may be true, but I'm willing to forgive anydamnway.
So, that being said, my advise to you (understandingly you may not be receptive to my advise) would be to post what you have of your guide now. There are plenty of good people on the forum who will help provide any shaping needed, additional content, and constructive criticism. I'm currently building a BvC, and I'd be glad to give perspective from a noob BvC'r. Doing so would be a good opportunity to build/rebuild your relationship with this community... and I bet it would help a lot of aspiring BvC players.
Also, what is it with your PC that is preventing you from playing? Possibly I could lend a hand with technical advise if needed.
You rub people the wrong way, it's probobly due to language. People jump at stuff you say because you say it like its the only knowledge left in the world. I'm NOT talking about the words you write, its the way they are put together.
Example?
You aren't seriously asking...
I don't want to further feed this pointless back and forth - but you do rub many people the wrong way. And it's starting to include myself, but I rarely comment on that sort of crap. For your benefit I'll give you a hint.
I've quoted some excerpts of your posts that come across a little cocky, jerk-ish, preachy and the like. It's the attitude the words and structure brings forward. This is only from this thread, I don't have the kind of time, nor patience to dabble through all your posts.
Stuff like this lends to this 'attitude' you are sporting that does not endear you to people:
And I'm too bored to answer the same questions over and over again.
Why is is ridiculous? Tell me. Or at least define this "ridiculous" of yours. It might differ massively from mine.
Sorry, I do not have a superior attitude. Look at Blobs. He had a superior attitude. I've never said I know everything.
I really hate it when people try making up stupid examples like this only to show how their posts need fillers and that their arguments suck.
No offense, but could you guys take your personal hatred issue to somewhere else? That would A) prevent you from getting banned because of flaming B) Make this thread look a little better C) what else?.
Stuff like that rub people the wrong way. When folks try to make themselves innocent when they aren't, rub people the wrong way. When people preach at others, then don't practise the same, it rubs people. It takes two to tango - an argument has two sides at least. Doesn't matter if one is behaving in a more civilized manner (in their mind or not).
We've all been there, or will be there (your age) so we can relate in a way. I sincerely hope you and everyone else who behaves in this fashion, subtle or not, eventually grows out of it. It really is a teenage thing. But when you come across as a jerk, intentional or otherwise, that impression sticks.
I don't think anyone HATES you on this forum. To say such a thing would imply that somebody cares enough. I can't imagine anyone taking a forum that seriously. Hate is too strong of a word. Dislike, annoyed, don't care for, 'scroll past his posts', ect., are better descriptors.
I can't honestly determine whether or not your attitude is intentional, but I would say to continue to expect the negative commentary. Until the tone of your posts change, there will be no change in the feedback.
So, that being said, my advise to you (understandingly you may not be receptive to my advise) would be to post what you have of your guide now. There are plenty of good people on the forum who will help provide any shaping needed, additional content, and constructive criticism. I'm currently building a BvC, and I'd be glad to give perspective from a noob BvC'r. Doing so would be a good opportunity to build/rebuild your relationship with this community... and I bet it would help a lot of aspiring BvC players.
I won't post the exact current version of the guide, as it's quite ugly (read: typos, unfinished sections), but I might re-do and write a little more to it and then publish it. That's the point of this topic actually. To see if I will or will not post it. I'm the kind of a person who doesn't do something if it's not wanted.
Also, what is it with your PC that is preventing you from playing? Possibly I could lend a hand with technical advise if needed.
That's the problem. We (read: me and my dad) do not know what's wrong. All the drivers are up to date, directX is up to date, all updates that can be downloaded have been downloaded and installed. And it's not just Diablo, it's every game I try to play. It's been like this for a little over a year now. It first started as a seldom closing of D2 and other programs. Then it got more frequent, and now it's so that I can barely play any game for five minutes until something happens. Either my PC restarts, the game closes with no error message, I get a windows error message only or a in-game error message (such as the Unhandled exception of D2).
You aren't seriously asking...
Sure I am.
And I'm too bored to answer the same questions over and over again.
About this one. Some people seem to get the impression that when I repeat the same things in topics that are very samelike, I'm just trying to grow my post count. Now, to make this issue go away, I would like a steady topic that people could read and be enlightened.
Why is is ridiculous? Tell me. Or at least define this "ridiculous" of yours. It might differ massively from mine.
What's wrong with this one? Or doesn't the way I put the words fit a 16-year -old?
Sorry, I do not have a superior attitude. Look at Blobs. He had a superior attitude. I've never said I know everything.
And how could I possibly have said this any better?
I really hate it when people try making up stupid examples like this only to show how their posts need fillers and that their arguments suck.
Now, this one I admit, I did go a little overboard with my emotions. But once in a while isn't too bad, right?
No offense, but could you guys take your personal hatred issue to somewhere else? That would A) prevent you from getting banned because of flaming B) Make this thread look a little better C) what else?.
And here again, I see nothing wrong. I was simply saying that I wish they could take their personal issues that are very off-topic to PMs. Isn't that the way it should be?
killian27
01-10-2006, 23:04
I won't post the exact current version of the guide, as it's quite ugly (read: typos, unfinished sections), but I might re-do and write a little more to it and then publish it. That's the point of this topic actually. To see if I will or will not post it. I'm the kind of a person who doesn't do something if it's not wanted.
That's the problem. We (read: me and my dad) do not know what's wrong. All the drivers are up to date, directX is up to date, all updates that can be downloaded have been downloaded and installed. And it's not just Diablo, it's every game I try to play. It's been like this for a little over a year now. It first started as a seldom closing of D2 and other programs. Then it got more frequent, and now it's so that I can barely play any game for five minutes until something happens. Either my PC restarts, the game closes with no error message, I get a windows error message only or a in-game error message (such as the Unhandled exception of D2).
I'd start with a reformat and clean install of your operating system. If the problem continues, I'd say it is most likely RAM... these types of symptoms are hard to diagnos, but I bet a re-install would cure it. If you'd care to, list your OS, and specs of your pc... turn hyper-threading off if possible, if your hard-drive has multiple settings try performance mode or quiet mode, try diablo in 3d mode, or 2d if 3d is what you've been using. Too many possibilities really, but if its seems to only effect video games (read: graphics intensive) try a different driver... not neccesarly newer, but a different graphics driver. If diablo worked before, and its a software problem, then an reinstallion or different graphics driver will cure your problem.
diablotradez
01-10-2006, 23:10
"And here again, I see nothing wrong. I was simply saying that I wish they could take their personal issues that are very off-topic to PMs. Isn't that the way it should be?"
and there was you who thought my posts are "offensive" in your opinion.
while i had no problems with anyone else on this forum
"And here again, I see nothing wrong. I was simply saying that I wish they could take their personal issues that are very off-topic to PMs. Isn't that the way it should be?"
and there was you who thought my posts are "offensive" in your opinion.
while i had no problems with anyone else on this forum
Are you trying to say that I was being offensive when I said that I wish they would take the OT to somewhere else?
diablotradez
01-10-2006, 23:28
Are you trying to say that I was being offensive when I said that I wish they would take the OT to somewhere else?
saying why didnt you take your personal matters through pm, remember you're the only one thinks or in your opinion thinks my posts are offensive, it effected you so much that you said you were going to report me? i think that qualifies as a personal issue no one else had problems with the way i post
Thoridian
02-10-2006, 03:00
In English and what's the point of such a post?
mens meni cry
Ok I voted yes,post your guide now let the forum community read and keep working on it.That way you get input most likely good and bad :laugh:
Ive posted questions on these forums before to which youve given useful often very detailed answers to ce olba,so yea Id be interested to read your guide.
Btw I had similar problems with a pc shutting down continuously while playing games.The problem turned out to be a power supply that finally died.Yours may or may not be the same problem just thought Id share:thumbsup:
Josiphos
03-10-2006, 19:40
I do. All your post proves is that you have nothing worthwhile to say. And don't call me 'kid'.
Sounds like you have some unresolved anger issues, kid, if an online gaming post gets your blood up.
"Sticks and stones"
"Lie becomes truth only if person believe it" - Mr Miagi
From what I can tell, most of your posts have an aggressive condesending tone to them as well, so...I dont think think you can talk much.
"If you dont have something nice to say, dont say anything"
Seems like alot of the posts in this thread should have followed that last one.
And Happy: I read your WWSin guide and it was very good. I've had a good run with the Sin I built from it thanks to your advice. Why not let Ce post the guide and let the public decide.
Uncle_Mike
03-10-2006, 20:51
Sounds like you have some unresolved anger issues, kid, if an online gaming post gets your blood up.
"If you dont have something nice to say, dont say anything"
Kid? and where is the nice part in your post?
Did you even bother to read the thread? I can't remember Happy asking us to debate for 60 days whether he should post his unfinished draft of a guide right? And this is the part that many people have frowned upon and will continue to do so I guess...
Mike
Kid? and where is the nice part in your post?
Did you even bother to read the thread? I can't remember Happy asking us to debate for 60 days whether he should post his unfinished draft of a guide right? And this is the part that many people have frowned upon and will continue to do so I guess...
Mike
AAARGH!!!
Goddamit.
Now this is where it leads in the end? In people misunderstanding my meaning by about 98%?
I never said that you will HAVE TO BE POSTING FOR TWO MONTHS. I said that THE POLL IS OPEN FOR TWO MONTHS.
I never said that you need to DEBATE, I said to GIVE REASONS WHY YOU THINK WHATEVER YOU THINK.
Oh hell. I guess this is what I should expect from people whenever posting anything. Ever since Happy came out of his closet and confessed that he hates the BvC hype, I've barely had a day without someone getting angry at me for silly reasons.
I think the people are quite pathetic, calling each other kids, yet no one seems to know anyone's age.
However, I think I can assume that some people who are shouting at each other here are >18. I really consider it pathetic if you have to vent your anger at someone like me, a 16-years old boy. Hah. I guess that shows what kind of a person you are, in a way.
And now someone even clearly said that they hate me. How funny is that? I wonder, how can you hate text written by a "kid" who you do not even know? Now, if I had any kind of a clear idea of what kind of people there are here (teachers, part-time workers, students), I would probably get even worse.
I wonder how come when I politely reply to whatever you have to ask or vent at me, all you can do is continue raging like a brainless musclemass?
I'm sure I will be called a hypocrite for this, just as I am called a hypocrite for having strict opinions on things I have no experience in (such as sex). Well, that just again shows what kind of a person you are. Let's make it clear, if you're any older than what I am, any taller (>165cm), I think I can clearly say that you're pathetic if you go and vent all your misery at me. I'm the kind of a guy who would love to laugh at such.
AAARGH!!!
Goddamit.
Now this is where it leads in the end? In people misunderstanding my meaning by about 98%?
I never said that you will HAVE TO BE POSTING FOR TWO MONTHS. I said that THE POLL IS OPEN FOR TWO MONTHS.
I never said that you need to DEBATE, I said to GIVE REASONS WHY YOU THINK WHATEVER YOU THINK.
Oh hell. I guess this is what I should expect from people whenever posting anything. Ever since Happy came out of his closet and confessed that he hates the BvC hype, I've barely had a day without someone getting angry at me for silly reasons.
I think the people are quite pathetic, calling each other kids, yet no one seems to know anyone's age.
However, I think I can assume that some people who are shouting at each other here are >18. I really consider it pathetic if you have to vent your anger at someone like me, a 16-years old boy. Hah. I guess that shows what kind of a person you are, in a way.
And now someone even clearly said that they hate me. How funny is that? I wonder, how can you hate text written by a "kid" who you do not even know? Now, if I had any kind of a clear idea of what kind of people there are here (teachers, part-time workers, students), I would probably get even worse.
I wonder how come when I politely reply to whatever you have to ask or vent at me, all you can do is continue raging like a brainless musclemass?
I'm sure I will be called a hypocrite for this, just as I am called a hypocrite for having strict opinions on things I have no experience in (such as sex). Well, that just again shows what kind of a person you are. Let's make it clear, if you're any older than what I am, any taller (>165cm), I think I can clearly say that you're pathetic if you go and vent all your misery at me. I'm the kind of a guy who would love to laugh at such.
its your attitude that leads to people disliking you and i see you still have it (lol), weather old young doesn't really matter
its your attitude that leads to people disliking you and i see you still have it (lol), weather old young doesn't really matter
I wonder. I consider that age does matter in such an issue, as the older the person, the better his tolerance for people like me should be.
As for my attitude, again if a person who's older than me cannot withstand it, that's quite weak.
And how do you see that I "still have it"? Sounds like you would've known me for a long time.
I wonder. I consider that age does matter in such an issue, as the older the person, the better his tolerance for people like me should be.
As for my attitude, again if a person who's older than me cannot withstand it, that's quite weak.
And how do you see that I "still have it"? Sounds like you would've known me for a long time.
merely judging from the way you type and the tone you have. sometimes attitude is intolerable. like by saying
"As for my attitude, again if a person who's older than me cannot withstand it, that's quite weak."
you are voicing your opinion and trying to make people follow that rule acts like you have a superiority.
as for me i don't care much just trying to show you why people dislike or hate you like you said.
merely judging from the way you type and the tone you have. sometimes attitude is intolerable. like by saying
"As for my attitude, again if a person who's older than me cannot withstand it, that's quite weak."
you are voicing your opinion and trying to make people follow that rule acts like you have a superiority.
as for me i don't care much just trying to show you why people dislike or hate you like you said.
A superiority. My words might sound a little bit cocky, however I am not exactly a cocky brat. I just find it funny when a teacher shouts at a student just because he/she doesn't know what to do or say. And yes, such a thing happened to me. Gave me a nice laugh though.
The scene was like this:
I have a cup of hot chocolate on my hand. I am wearing a white shirt. Then, as I am proceeding to go to the class that another teacher had opened, a teacher most likely in a hurry rushed past me, making me drop a nice amount of my drink to the floor. She then stops, looks at it, looks at me and says "Clean it". I say: "Now, am I the only one at fault here?". She proceeds to talk how she was "busy to get to the cafeteria" and that I "shouldn't be walking in the corridors with drinks". Made me laugh even there. I mean, I AM wearing a white shirt. Does she think that I'm some kind of a fool? Then she leaves. The other teacher gives me paper. I still try to explain that I am not totally at fault here. Then she just shouts "CLEAN IT ALREADY YOU!" at me and leaves. Again, I laughed.
Now, what does that tell me? That there are teachers who are, in my opinion, very unfitting to be teachers. A teacher should NEVER, EVER lose his or her temper at a stundent. That, in my opinion, shows quite well that he/she either has a problem or two or simply isn't fitting to be a teacher.
I wonder. I consider that age does matter in such an issue, as the older the person, the better his tolerance for people like me should be.
As for my attitude, again if a person who's older than me cannot withstand it, that's quite weak.
And how do you see that I "still have it"? Sounds like you would've known me for a long time.
what i have always liked about the concept of a forum like this one is that everyone can start as an equal in many respects. there is no discrimination due to being black, white, male, female, young, old ect because initially they are invisible. as people become more familiar by their posts opinions are then formed transforming the blank canvass into personalites. everyone on this forum has been given the same opportunities to interact with each other be that in a posotive or negative way. if you appreciate you have an attitude maybe its up to you to do something about it rather than expect others to tolerate it. thats part of growing up i guess. its a steep learning curve at times.
A superiority. My words might sound a little bit cocky, however I am not exactly a cocky brat. I just find it funny when a teacher shouts at a student just because he/she doesn't know what to do or say. And yes, such a thing happened to me. Gave me a nice laugh though.
The scene was like this:
I have a cup of hot chocolate on my hand. I am wearing a white shirt. Then, as I am proceeding to go to the class that another teacher had opened, a teacher most likely in a hurry rushed past me, making me drop a nice amount of my drink to the floor. She then stops, looks at it, looks at me and says "Clean it". I say: "Now, am I the only one at fault here?". She proceeds to talk how she was "busy to get to the cafeteria" and that I "shouldn't be walking in the corridors with drinks". Made me laugh even there. I mean, I AM wearing a white shirt. Does she think that I'm some kind of a fool? Then she leaves. The other teacher gives me paper. I still try to explain that I am not totally at fault here. Then she just shouts "CLEAN IT ALREADY YOU!" at me and leaves. Again, I laughed.
Now, what does that tell me? That there are teachers who are, in my opinion, very unfitting to be teachers. A teacher should NEVER, EVER lose his or her temper at a stundent. That, in my opinion, shows quite well that he/she either has a problem or two or simply isn't fitting to be a teacher.
again its just personal opinions i guess you cant change your attitude. teachers aren't saints theres alot of teachers that does that to students taking out their stress/anger on others.
again its just personal opinions i guess you cant change your attitude. teachers aren't saints theres alot of teachers that does that to students taking out their stress/anger on others.
Attitude ... That's a funny thing, as you act in different ways with different people. There are only a few people in your life that you will act "true". For me, there's only one right now. Used to be another one too.
As for such teachers, they just make my urge to become a teacher and a GOOD one just for the hell of it. At least I would show what kind of teacher is a good one.
If a teacher takes her/his anger on students, that's pathetic. That's simply disgusting and pathetic. They call themselves somekind of rolemodels yet they cannot keep up the role. That's pathetic. And yes, I DO know about all the stress teachers have over tons of tests and essays that they need to check, but that still doesn't give them the right to act like that. There are some people who are extremely sensitive about such things. Heck, they should think that they have the priviledge to teach and make sure that the society stays as it is now. It's not like the students are there for fun. I think I can clearly say that most students couldn't possibly graduate out of high school if they had to study it all by themselves. It's the rolemodels that make it possible.
Can we just stop the 11 page flame war and either a) post the guide or b) not post it?
Can we just stop the 11 page flame war and either a) post the guide or b) not post it?
i second this proposal
Imbecile
04-10-2006, 13:00
Any chance soon that I could purge your weak barb with my hammer?
Arbedark
04-10-2006, 13:03
Can we just stop the 11 page flame war and either a) post the guide or b) not post it?
No chance. We need to massage Olba's ego some more before he'll post any of his guide...thats the reason behind this farcical thread.
And btw Ce Olba, many people denounced you and disliked you well before the "BvC Hype" thread which Happy made.
The simple fact is, no one likes an arrogant teenager...
No chance. We need to massage Olba's ego some more before he'll post any of his guide...thats the reason behind this farcical thread.
Do not assume such foolish things. I've already put a few parts of the guide in more than 1 post.
And btw Ce Olba, many people denounced you and disliked you well before the "BvC Hype" thread which Happy made.
It might have well been so. Yet I do not understand why the hell would these foolish people blame me for the fact that BvCs, in the right hands, ARE DAMN GOOD? That makes no sense.
The simple fact is, no one likes an arrogant teenager...
Me being arrogant or not has nothing to do with the fact that BvCs, again, ARE DAMN GOOD, in the right hands. Maybe people just refuse to accept that because they think their mf hammerdins are godly?
Or maybe they lose their temper because they cannot make up a valid argument?
Or maybe...
Any chance soon that I could purge your weak barb with my hammer?
I do not know. However, you will be one of the first people I will duel as soon as I get my PC going. Hope you've improved though.
morotsjos
04-10-2006, 14:17
lets just conclude that barb > sin and get it over with.
marcello
04-10-2006, 15:54
Ce Olba knows quite a bit about BvCs and has helped me when I made mine, but drop the attitude, most people just have an issue with the attitude, not you.
And post the guide or not, not much more to say or?
Imbecile
04-10-2006, 18:58
Do not assume such foolish things. I've already put a few parts of the guide in more than 1 post.
It might have well been so. Yet I do not understand why the hell would these foolish people blame me for the fact that BvCs, in the right hands, ARE DAMN GOOD? That makes no sense.
Me being arrogant or not has nothing to do with the fact that BvCs, again, ARE DAMN GOOD, in the right hands. Maybe people just refuse to accept that because they think their mf hammerdins are godly?
Or maybe they lose their temper because they cannot make up a valid argument?
Or maybe...
I do not know. However, you will be one of the first people I will duel as soon as I get my PC going. Hope you've improved though.
Bring it on, kid
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4520/hahahasf5.jpg
Bring it on, kid
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4520/hahahasf5.jpg
Owned by me.
You do not even remember the name of my BvC? Mutodori
Damn, those movies (Home Alone) are actually quite good.
morotsjos
04-10-2006, 20:52
Bring it on, kid
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4520/hahahasf5.jpg
ROFL .
Uchiha Sasuke
07-10-2006, 04:19
ROFL .
Omg! only 5 chars... NOW I FINALLY KNOW HOW TO DO IT!!!! I LOVE YOU !
Anyways... Ce Olba... the only thing I see different about your guide is the charms. Just post all the gear, your charms setup. No more disscussion. We don't need a pvp strat section. If we can't figure out how to kill people by ourselves, we shouldn't even be dueling.
Imbecile
07-10-2006, 12:31
Owned by me.
You do not even remember the name of my BvC? Mutodori
Damn, those movies (Home Alone) are actually quite good.
I rarely remember players worth one namelock......
I rarely remember players worth one namelock......
Did I not 5-0 you enough?
And you should remember my BvCs name, it's probably the BvC you've dueled the most with your hammerdin, unless you've been dueling mat lately.
And the only thing that was scary on your Hammerdin was those few delayed tele namelocks, but I didn't exactly get raped by those either.
From my experience, you've been one of the most fun hammerdins to duel, but not the best I have dueled. Comparing you to Vic wouldn't even be fair.
Uncle_Mike
07-10-2006, 14:28
From my experience, you've been one of the most fun hammerdins to duel, but not the best I have dueled. Comparing you to Vic wouldn't even be fair.
Such as comparing you to the best barb as I was told.
Mike
Such as comparing you to the best barb as I was told.
Mike
Well, I never said I am specifically good or anything. And yes, I do acknowledge that I am not even close to the likes of mcm or Mat or Luis.
However, if I would've had the last five months to play D2 instead of doing something else, I think I would've at least gotten much better with my namelocking.
Also, my triwhirls are barely decent enough to get people dead.
Yet, it's either a HUGE class advantage or then it's the gear or the skill, as I am clearly above the average pub duelers. I think that the fact that the clear-the-pubs-effect is on if I am in a game. Of course there is a selected bunch of people who give me quite a handling no matter what. But these are either people who have dueled me +200 times (Such as BoneMeArse (Vad) or the best of their class (Vic, Ben, Karol), so I wouldn't say that I exactly "suck".
Also, my barb is lacking hugely on his gear. He doesn't have a single 32020 and I think that his two single best charms would be the 20/33 sc I got and a 5/8-9 fhr/lr SC I got.
Just post all the gear, your charms setup. No more disscussion. We don't need a pvp strat section. If we can't figure out how to kill people by ourselves, we shouldn't even be dueling.
I strongly disagree. It's damn easy to find optimal setup (just search Ce Olba's posts :smiley:), and building godly BvC shouldn't be a problem if you have items. There's more than enough guides/posts that just list optimal BvC gear. If this is really intended to be guide of all guides than without strategies it doesn't make any sense. Aren't guides meant for noobs? Noob with Grief and Beast still won't kill anyone if he doesn't have a clue what is he doing.
Guide without strategies = ebay shoping list.
If you don't have time to finish it I don't see any sense in posting it. Give us complete guide with strategies.
Oh, and I will just jump on bandwagon and declare this thread redicoulus :tongue: Don't you have enough votes already, I hope you aren't waiting 2 months to see results of poll.
If you don't have time to finish it I don't see any sense in posting it. Give us complete guide with strategies.
Well, the time is less of an issue, but it's the fact that I've not dueled actively on D2 for the last five months, so some of the things I should've written I might no-more remember. Or some rarer classes. Heck, I've only ever dueled one summon/poison hybrid and even then I was abusing his Gmerc to heal me. As for other rarer classes, once dueled a melee sorc, wasn't much of a duel, as she couldn't pretty much damage me (it was a dual dream abusing bear one). I have dueled one pretty damn skilled poison javazon, but in the end, that wasn't much of a duel either, as it was just a chase. Oh, fire trappers. Only dueled like one or two. Both were beaten up quite bad as they were just standing on my screen spamming mb and locking me into their traps, which wasn't much of a thing with hotspurs.
Oh, and I will just jump on bandwagon and declare this thread redicoulus :tongue: Don't you have enough votes already, I hope you aren't waiting 2 months to see results of poll.
I doubt I will actually wait the two months, but I will have to see.
Uchiha Sasuke
07-10-2006, 20:01
I strongly disagree. It's damn easy to find optimal setup (just search Ce Olba's posts :smiley:), and building godly BvC shouldn't be a problem if you have items. There's more than enough guides/posts that just list optimal BvC gear. If this is really intended to be guide of all guides than without strategies it doesn't make any sense. Aren't guides meant for noobs? Noob with Grief and Beast still won't kill anyone if he doesn't have a clue what is he doing.
Guide without strategies = ebay shoping list.
If you don't have time to finish it I don't see any sense in posting it. Give us complete guide with strategies.
Oh, and I will just jump on bandwagon and declare this thread redicoulus :tongue: Don't you have enough votes already, I hope you aren't waiting 2 months to see results of poll.
If the noob is any bit decent, he'll be trying out his own techniques. Wouldn't people who learn from trial have a better chance than people who read and do?
If the noob is any bit decent, he'll be trying out his own techniques. Wouldn't people who learn from trial have a better chance than people who read and do?
But how can you learn your own techniques when all of them have already been invented?
And how can you learn something if you have no idea how to successfully do it?
But how can you learn your own techniques when all of them have already been invented?
And how can you learn something if you have no idea how to successfully do it?
People play differently.
What Monkey is saying is that you have to figure out how to duel for yourself. How to maneuver around the field, how to attack, how to retreat, how to play. Sure Triwhirling and namelocking are techniques that people use to improve their chances, but you need to practice how to play your character to get good.
For example a little paragraph on how to Triwhirl is great in theory - but nobody will master it by reading it. IMO the gist of what he is saying is - you posting a dueling section is good and fine, but the only way ANYONE will win is to practice dueling.
You can tell what works for you - but people need to figure out how to play , and your techniques may not work for them.
And to comment on that -> And how can you learn something if you have no idea how to successfully do it?
We aren't talking about some chemistry experiment or anything of importance. DII is a game. It's a game. I'm sure plenty of people are very capable of figuring out how to NL, WW and the like without reading something on how to do it CORRECTLY (Lol!). Trial and error works wonders believe it or not. Mimicry from observation as well - if that's how you learn. People can figure out their own "Combos."
And how can you learn something if you have no idea how to successfully do it?
Gaahhh brain not function... Grunk SMASH!
Invention is the keyword here my friend, invention. Within three days of 1.10, I was succesfully pk-ing people in hardcore, with ease and pleasure. Invention... :shocked: :laugh:
Invention is the keyword here my friend, invention. Within three days of 1.10, I was succesfully pk-ing people in hardcore, with ease and pleasure. Invention... :shocked: :laugh:
Sorry.
To invent is to create something new. I do not think that's possible anymore.
But.
To find is to find something created before. I think this is very possible.
See? I love nitpicking.
Uchiha Sasuke
08-10-2006, 09:19
But how can you learn your own techniques when all of them have already been invented?
And how can you learn something if you have no idea how to successfully do it?
How can crappy dancers become good dancers without looking at other dancers? No possible way... I guess you're right.
But still, you're guide shouldn't take that long to make... seeing as you've already said everything at one point of another.
Uchiha Sasuke
08-10-2006, 09:20
People play differently.
What Monkey is saying is that you have to figure out how to duel for yourself. How to maneuver around the field, how to attack, how to retreat, how to play. Sure Triwhirling and namelocking are techniques that people use to improve their chances, but you need to practice how to play your character to get good.
For example a little paragraph on how to Triwhirl is great in theory - but nobody will master it by reading it. IMO the gist of what he is saying is - you posting a dueling section is good and fine, but the only way ANYONE will win is to practice dueling.
You can tell what works for you - but people need to figure out how to play , and your techniques may not work for them.
And to comment on that -> And how can you learn something if you have no idea how to successfully do it?
We aren't talking about some chemistry experiment or anything of importance. DII is a game. It's a game. I'm sure plenty of people are very capable of figuring out how to NL, WW and the like without reading something on how to do it CORRECTLY (Lol!). Trial and error works wonders believe it or not. Mimicry from observation as well - if that's how you learn. People can figure out their own "Combos."
Anyways, this guy got it right.
*edit* : I guess my two posts contradict... or so it seems. Inquire more, and I shall explain.
Imbecile
08-10-2006, 12:04
Did I not 5-0 you enough?
And you should remember my BvCs name, it's probably the BvC you've dueled the most with your hammerdin, unless you've been dueling mat lately.
And the only thing that was scary on your Hammerdin was those few delayed tele namelocks, but I didn't exactly get raped by those either.
From my experience, you've been one of the most fun hammerdins to duel, but not the best I have dueled. Comparing you to Vic wouldn't even be fair.
Sit the **** down. You never were impressive versus hammerdins, further I remade my hammer a long time ago. I haven't gotten to duel you with the remade one, since you suffer from connection problems. That comment about 5 - 0 just shows how full you are of yourself, I don't recall you ever totally dominating me. Of course you could vs Il_Condannato, which I think you mistaken for Welfare.
Talk is cheap.....
Sit the **** down. You never were impressive versus hammerdins, further I remade my hammer a long time ago. I haven't gotten to duel you with the remade one, since you suffer from connection problems. That comment about 5 - 0 just shows how full you are of yourself, I don't recall you ever totally dominating me. Of course you could vs Il_Condannato, which I think you mistaken for Welfare.
Talk is cheap.....
So you're saying that I never dueled Welfare? Sorry, I DID duel welfare, and I DID do around 5-0ish in the scores.
And I never said that I would be "impressive against hammerdins", as if I would, I wouldn't be losing to Vic.
And you yourself said that you cannot beat me due to the fact that I play exactly the way you would play against hammerdins.
But still, you're guide shouldn't take that long to make... seeing as you've already said everything at one point of another.
Again, time is not the main issue. The strategies section is. I would feel "untrue" if I were to write a strategies section based on people I've dueled 5 months ago.
How can crappy dancers become good dancers without looking at other dancers? No possible way... I guess you're right.
I used to dance myself. And you know what. Most of the moves in breakdance or any dance for that matter have been created before, but since breakdance is quite versatile, you can ALWAYS make a variable out of them. However, someone else has ALWAYS done it before. In the end it's about little things you mix in. For example, some people would duel windies by playing defensive and letting them teleport on top of you. I use Howl to scatter their minions and then I attack.
Imbecile
08-10-2006, 12:25
So you're saying that I never dueled Welfare? Sorry, I DID duel welfare, and I DID do around 5-0ish in the scores.
And I never said that I would be "impressive against hammerdins", as if I would, I wouldn't be losing to Vic.
And you yourself said that you cannot beat me due to the fact that I play exactly the way you would play against hammerdins.
Again, time is not the main issue. The strategies section is. I would feel "untrue" if I were to write a strategies section based on people I've dueled 5 months ago.
I used to dance myself. And you know what. Most of the moves in breakdance or any dance for that matter have been created before, but since breakdance is quite versatile, you can ALWAYS make a variable out of them. However, someone else has ALWAYS done it before. In the end it's about little things you mix in. For example, some people would duel windies by playing defensive and letting them teleport on top of you. I use Howl to scatter their minions and then I attack.
There's a big difference about old welfare and new welfare. I remade welfare, because he lacked defense. Further I don't recall you ever 5 - 0'd me, so please keep theory crafting on pvp, because that statement is truely false. Since talk is cheap, I see no reason to further debating this, because when you get a stable connection, we'll have a go.
Thoridian
08-10-2006, 12:37
Ill duel Olba with my hammster too :>
There's a big difference about old welfare and new welfare. I remade welfare, because he lacked defense. Further I don't recall you ever 5 - 0'd me, so please keep theory crafting on pvp, because that statement is truely false. Since talk is cheap, I see no reason to further debating this, because when you get a stable connection, we'll have a go.
Well, the 5-0 might've been a little exaggerated, but still, I never recall losing a first-to-five to your hammerdin, except at the first few times I dueled you.
As for the issues, USE YOUR BRAIN. It's NOT the connection, clearly. As if it was, it wouldn't let me play ONLINE, but it doesn't let me play on single either. So it's not the connection.
And it occurs on all the other games (Red Alert 2, CS:CZ) that I play.
Most likely it's got something to do with some drivers or the cd drive or the cds.
Ill duel Olba with my hammster too :>
hey, do not go decide things on your on! Right now I'm already annoyed enough by the fact that Vad's got somekind of an issue to say that his random smiter>my BvC based on some half-assed duels that I didn't even use all the AR I could've (Yes, I did use Hsarus + Angelics, but no Enchant).
Imbecile
08-10-2006, 12:56
Well, the 5-0 might've been a little exaggerated, but still, I never recall losing a first-to-five to your hammerdin, except at the first few times I dueled you.
As for the issues, USE YOUR BRAIN. It's NOT the connection, clearly. As if it was, it wouldn't let me play ONLINE, but it doesn't let me play on single either. So it's not the connection.
And it occurs on all the other games (Red Alert 2, CS:CZ) that I play.
Most likely it's got something to do with some drivers or the cd drive or the cds.
hey, do not go decide things on your on! Right now I'm already annoyed enough by the fact that Vad's got somekind of an issue to say that his random smiter>my BvC based on some half-assed duels that I didn't even use all the AR I could've (Yes, I did use Hsarus + Angelics, but no Enchant).
Well I could care less if it's your connection or some pc troubles, so quit that arrogant attitude.
Thoridian
08-10-2006, 13:30
Well lol i uninstalled my d2 and tried to install it back and BAM, my cd-rom cant see D2 Game CD (other CDs are fine and tbh i didnt touch the d2 Game CD since like 6 months so its not damaged) so i cant install d2... Lmfao im dumb + screwed, if ill have to buy new cd-rom then i can preety much give my acc away...
Well lol i uninstalled my d2 and tried to install it back and BAM, my cd-rom cant see D2 Game CD (other CDs are fine and tbh i didnt touch the d2 Game CD since like 6 months so its not damaged) so i cant install d2... Lmfao im dumb + screwed, if ill have to buy new cd-rom then i can preety much give my acc away...
How come? It's not like the CDs cost a lot.
Plus I do not want you to quit. You could become quite a BvC with some time and practise.
Thoridian
08-10-2006, 14:00
How come? It's not like the CDs cost a lot.
Plus I do not want you to quit. You could become quite a BvC with some time and practise.
Thing is i prefer to waste MY OWN cash on something else and my mum wont give me cash to buy a CD-ROM >.>
Thing is i prefer to waste MY OWN cash on something else and my mum wont give me cash to buy a CD-ROM >.>
What kind of a policy is that?
Unless you're still a total kid, you should already be buying your games yourself.
The only time I get any games for free are when my dad either downloads them for me or I get them on Christmas or my birthday. Rest I buy myself. Yes, that includes:
Diablo II
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy X-2
Tekken Tag Tournament
Smackdown: Shut Your Mouth!
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Kingdom Hearts
Jak II: Renegade
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
Pokémon Yellow
All of those I've bought with my very own money. Oh, but that's by far not all the games I got.
You should just save up money and then get back. It's not so terrible to lose 25% of your budget, is it? Also, it's still better than spending it on alcohol or cigarettes.
Uncle_Mike
08-10-2006, 14:34
As for the issues, USE YOUR BRAIN. It's NOT the connection, clearly.
Well how about you use yours and fix it instead of writing memoires of how the duels were...
MIke
Well how about you use yours and fix it instead of writing memoires of how the duels were...
MIke
As I've already said, all I can right now do is have a good guess on what's causing the error. The whatever-was-his-name-techsupport-guy said I should try to update certain things. Well, I did but nothing's changed.
hmm did you try format?
Twice already. And I've set the system back to the date it was formatted twice or thrice so far. And I've re-installed D2 countless times.
hmm im no computer freak so i cant tell you anything lol.
my mate also once had problems with d2. he could link in etc but he always got kicked after ~30 secs. half a year later it worked again, however. he doent know up to now what was wrong.
hmm and thoridian who are you? (acc/char) i havent been really much on these forums although im registered here for a bit.
wel my names Moe and if anyone knows me its probably from LLDing, im pretty well known for my lvl29 ama at ep and so on.
i started playing high lvl duels some month ago again coz i have had i think all lvl29 builds that you can have and i mess around with a ww/ls/kick/stun hybrid atm called MuayThai.
Im looking for gm duels so thori, if you ever get back to d2, let me know. i'd love to have some duels.
Thoridian
08-10-2006, 16:27
hmm im no computer freak so i cant tell you anything lol.
my mate also once had problems with d2. he could link in etc but he always got kicked after ~30 secs. half a year later it worked again, however. he doent know up to now what was wrong.
hmm and thoridian who are you? (acc/char) i havent been really much on these forums although im registered here for a bit.
wel my names Moe and if anyone knows me its probably from LLDing, im pretty well known for my lvl29 ama at ep and so on.
i started playing high lvl duels some month ago again coz i have had i think all lvl29 builds that you can have and i mess around with a ww/ls/kick/stun hybrid atm called MuayThai.
Im looking for gm duels so thori, if you ever get back to d2, let me know. i'd love to have some duels.
Alright ill msg ya, hope youre on europe. My acc is *shodek and lately im playing on *drn-red and in this week im gonna ask around if anyone of my friends got d2 cds so i can try to install it with their d2 Game CD so maybe it will work...
Don't forget about me :cry:
when i get back this weekend we will see...
me>hammer
nah joking Ed is good he surprises me alot and i think of myself very good vs hammerdins, even in pubs especially now i changed to the forti, i rarely lose..
Valvolux
09-10-2006, 12:53
Nice OT thread guys, could of saved ppl 15 pages of reading and just posted your unfinished guide rough or post nothing till you finished and be done with it.
Brag thread isn't needed.
Thoridian
09-10-2006, 15:00
Who gives a crap (besides mods ofc) if the thread goes offtopic, if ur bored check other threads, im sure they are ALL going OT... Oh and we can also consider ur post as a OT one so w/e...
Please be more gentle with your choice of words and tone of posting thank you very much. His comment was pretty much dead on, as this thread is mostly filled with trash talk and other such nonsense and does not really hold anything of value. While I respect Ce-Olba, I have to admit that the thread and resulting posts of said thread are rather pointless. Either you post your WIP guide and be done with it, or you don't post it at all. Making a poll about it is, with all due respect, rather silly.
So, please, next time be a weeny bit more respectfull with the word "crap" and other such terms. Spell-checking and punctuation never hurt anyone either, nor did grammar and other such concepts. Apart from that, you're trying to pick a fight with more than one guy, and that is always a bad idea :shocked:
Kindest regards,
Barry
woa server messup quad post... *sigh*
Thoridian
09-10-2006, 17:40
Like i care SPAMMER lol
Mmm, yes, of course, if you say so. You are obviously right. You are such a charming fellow too, so polite, and your posts are the absolute pinnacle of perfection, politeness, and pretty amazing.
You sir, are an :prop:
//Barry
Thoridian
09-10-2006, 22:20
Hey why ur talking that I AM going OT while YOU'RE doing the same... lol
Valvolux
10-10-2006, 09:58
Who gives a crap (besides mods ofc) if the thread goes offtopic, if ur bored check other threads, im sure they are ALL going OT... Oh and we can also consider ur post as a OT one so w/e...
I was just giving a friendly heads up Thoridian, didn't post looking to be attacked. There was no need to be rude...perhaps you should calm down.
Thoridian
10-10-2006, 16:35
Lmfao double...
Thoridian
10-10-2006, 16:36
I had bad mood yesterday so sorry if u felt offended.
Anyway some mod close that spam-thread...
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