problems dueling bone ncro

[mainaman]

i use bvc
he has 152 fhr/125 fcr no block
basically what happens is he doesnt get affected by my leap and i cant really nl him
iwas thinking delayed nl might work , or using grifon for 63 fcr bp.
Any suggestions how to duel him?
oh yeah he dont use ibs and he is not hyper defensive, he is just really hard to catch...

[SicHalo]

i use bvc
he has 152 fhr/125 fcr no block
basically what happens is he doesnt get affected by my leap and i cant really nl him
iwas thinking delayed nl might work , or using grifon for 63 fcr bp.
Any suggestions how to duel him?
oh yeah he dont use ibs and he is not hyper defensive, he is just really hard to catch...

yeah with that fhr (smart nec build) he is immune to leap completly it will have virtually no affect, the only way i think is a delayed namelock also maybe if u can raise the fcr upto 63% fcr bp may help ur tele response time etc as sometimes with delayed namelock u need to tank a hit in order to get the namelock and pull it off at the right time.

[conor rocks]

Wait are you using a widowmaker?

[Camden]

Hey :D

Try to use long, desynching whirls every so often. Namelock at the end, sometimes you can catch him by surprise mid-whirl or at the end (he'll see you still ww'ing even as you begin the tele animation)

[De4dEyE]

Try 63%
Use Unsummon NLs
Play near walls/houses to give yourself a shield against random spirits
Namelock
Namelock
Stop leaping so much

Leap, get an unsummon NL, wait a little bit, tele and triwhirl

Edit: Make sure your triwhirls are tight. Sloppy triwhirls = nec dodging and spearing you. Also, if you keep constant pressure, he can't always maintain a cloud of spirits to scare you from triwhirling him.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Try 63%
Use Unsummon NLs
Play near walls/houses to give yourself a shield against random spirits
Namelock
Namelock
Stop leaping so much

Exactly. Leap is pointless against such high fhr. Ehh Griffs.. hmm that saves you 2 rings and a ammy slot.. I suppose it might be worth to sacrifice it, depends on your setup I guess.

Widow helps vs. all fast casters.

Delay tele is probably the best way to go.

[conor rocks]

Oh ya what charms are you using because poison charms are good with widowmaker or if no poison charms or enchant just use it to take out bone armour.

[Ce Olba]

Oh ya what charms are you using because poison charms are good with widowmaker or if no poison charms or enchant just use it to take out bone armour.

Not needed. Open Wounds does that way better, as it affects the life directly. Getting poison charms is useless if you can use Grief's Venom and Trang Gloves for example.

Also, you could try using a Guillaume's Face: It's got CB that affects your duels greatly (as it seems he has no DR%). Unless of course the problems lie in catching the necro.

In that case, you should try NOT to be overly offensive, as he can abuse that to his own plans (such as luring you to a spirit string).

As for Widowmaker, I think this kind of a guy would use Bonewalls sometimes so Widowmaker is useless. However I've had quite a few necros forced to make Bonewalls because of "OMFG WIDOWMAKER WILL KILL ME LOL"-attitude.

[conor rocks]

But doesn't open wounds only do a certain amount of damage while with poison it can do a lot of damage?

[Ce Olba]

But doesn't open wounds only do a certain amount of damage while with poison it can do a lot of damage?

Poison can be reduced greatly. Open Wounds not.

Open wounds does 500ish damage over 8 seconds.
Poison does 500 damage over 11 seconds vs. someone with ONLY 75% PR.

Now, which ends up being over over a second?
542/8 = 67.75
493/11 = 44.81

OW wins.

The only useful Poison damage is Venom, as it's over 0.4 seconds (~1 triwhirl).

[Camden]

Not needed. Open Wounds does that way better, as it affects the life directly. Getting poison charms is useless if you can use Grief's Venom and Trang Gloves for example.

Also, you could try using a Guillaume's Face: It's got CB that affects your duels greatly (as it seems he has no DR%). Unless of course the problems lie in catching the necro.

In that case, you should try NOT to be overly offensive, as he can abuse that to his own plans (such as luring you to a spirit string).

As for Widowmaker, I think this kind of a guy would use Bonewalls sometimes so Widowmaker is useless. However I've had quite a few necros forced to make Bonewalls because of "OMFG WIDOWMAKER WILL KILL ME LOL"-attitude.

I disagree with the guillaume's; c/b gets an additional pvp penalty I believe, so on what's usually a low-life character it's not really worth it :o. But you are correct about playing too offensively being dangerous; when I played a nec, offensive bvcs that just keep going at you are MUCH more easily defeated than bvcs that bide their time, move in and try one attack then move off before spray gets them.

But doesn't open wounds only do a certain amount of damage while with poison it can do a lot of damage?

Open wounds can do massive damage

[conor rocks]

Yea but doesn't it do it like over 8 seconds so wouldn't it also be go have other damage with it also?

[Lyrs]

No. Duels between skillful and well equiped necromancers and bvcs usually last long enough for OW to have an effect on the necromancer. Since the chances of a bvc getting in a hit is low, he'll want to bleed the necromancer as much as possible while trying not to run into an IBS.

[De4dEyE]

Yea but doesn't it do it like over 8 seconds so wouldn't it also be go have other damage with it also?

Ultra defensive necs = difficulty to land constant hits = forces you to stack OW

[Ce Olba]

I disagree with the guillaume's; c/b gets an additional pvp penalty I believe, so on what's usually a low-life character it's not really worth it :o..

CB does 10% damage to the life of the opponent in PvP. Only reduced by DR%. This guy is a non-block boner so the CB will do 10% damage, which is a LOT. With 3k life, that's 300 additional damage.

[kabal]

CB and OW get halved when applied through a ranged attack like GA. AFAIK Bone Armor also absorbs CB, so CB ends up being pretty useless because the necro will just recast Bone Armor.

[Ce Olba]

CB and OW get halved when applied through a ranged attack like GA. AFAIK Bone Armor also absorbs CB, so CB ends up being pretty useless because the necro will just recast Bone Armor.

Yes, they get halved. As for CB, it's -life%. Bone Armor is absorb damage units, not +life%, even though it effectively adds durability.

[kabal]

CB is -%life, but it's still physical damage and thus still gets absorbed by Bone Armor.

[Ce Olba]

CB is -%life, but it's still physical damage and thus still gets absorbed by Bone Armor.

And wtf does -life% have to do with physical damage? With that logic, OW should be reduced by dr%? It still helps quite a bit when there's no bone armor (which btw is after 1 hit). As it adds 15% deadly strike and some CB, which turns out to be ~17% added damage compared to 4.6% from Arreat's.

[ToThePoint]

CB is -%life, but it's still physical damage and thus still gets absorbed by Bone Armor.
wrong
cb is not affected by bonearmor - maybe you should go test before spreading useless misinformation.
bone armor is 'absorbs' direct physical damage, cb is not direct physical damage its more of a %life modifier even if affected by %dr.

[Ce Olba]

wrong
cb is not affected by bonearmor - maybe you should go test before spreading useless misinformation.
bone armor is 'absorbs' direct physical damage, cb is not direct physical damage its more of a %life modifier even if affected by %dr.

Just what I've been saying. CB is -life%, not physical or magical or elemental damage. And bone armors "absorb" is the same as -damage.

And even if Bone armor would absorb it, it couldn't take more than a few hits at most. And it's still better than Arreat's as it adds more damage before AND after bone armor.

[kabal]

Just what I've been saying. CB is -life%, not physical or magical or elemental damage. And bone armors "absorb" is the same as -damage.

And even if Bone armor would absorb it, it couldn't take more than a few hits at most. And it's still better than Arreat's as it adds more damage before AND after bone armor.

You're right, I was mistaken. I would still contend that CB is physical damage since it is affected by positive DR (although not negative), but that's a moot point anyways. OW on the other hand is just negative life regen and doesn't have a damage type, and thus isn't affected by DR/resistances.

[mainaman]

ty for advices guys
pretty much what i thought needs to be done
luder suggested grifon severaltimes so i got one for 63 fcr , unsummon nl is my other option, i need to practice that ....I tryed widowmaker but it didnt work well, maybe becasue im not used to play too defencive.
Anyway the necro dont use wals or anything like that , he seems to tele really fast for 125 fcr i guess its some glitch related to me lagin. and he has 4k life and he still has to get some skill lifers.

@Camden the necro im talkin about is neo. aka Aa-er i figure you met him?

[Camden]

@Camden the necro im talkin about is neo. aka Aa-er i figure you met him?

Yes, I've 4v4'd vs his group. According to kiko he's a blatant tmc modder / aa'er even though he claims the name's a joke o.O


Meh. I'm regearing my nec later tonight I think, if you want practice duels whisper me (even though i suck on necs ^^)

[mainaman]

i suspect he is not clean but i cant prove it. he dont aa for sure . i just dueled him and with grifon on i do much better i am able to catch him with reg nl
i still lost almost all duels but with alittle practice ill do fine aginst him