***Charger Help***

[TheBassman]

I'd like to make a PvP charger for pub duels but have yet to find a good guide showing me the best setups for the duels you'd encounter in a pub environement.

If someone could link me a good guide that'd be fantastic or just post an outline of Stats/Skills/Gear a good pub charger would be using to deal with the many situations he'd have to face :thumbsup:

~LesC

[Von Lazuli]

OK... Outline of stats and gear etc.

Stats:
Str - For gear
Dex - For Max Block
Vita - All
Energy - None.

Simple eh.

Skills:
Max:
Charge
Vigor
Might
Fanatism

1pt:
Holy Sheild

Rest of the points in Smite

Gear:
Greif (PB or Zerker, doesn't really matter)
Upped HOZ
CoH
Helm to taste (COA is probably best, I use a ber'd rockstopper)
Open Amulet and Rings Slots (Ravens/Highlords usually)
Verdungos
Bloodfists
Gore Riders

Max/AR charms.

This nets you good survivability, with high DR, Stacked Resists and max block. You also gain a huge damage Charge and a respectable Smite.

But, those are just my thoughts.

Laz

[TheBassman]

Maybe I'll be a bit more specific in what I need this guy for and what I'd like to try.

First off, I need a Charger capable of killing these builds:
Smiter [Probably won't happen, but I have no experience with PvP Chargers]
BvC
Sorceresses
Necromancers [Excluding Summoner]
Wind Druids
Bowazons
Trappers

Secondly I'd like to go 2-Handed since I won't be smiting, I'll be in constant charge most likely so block is useless.

Anyways that's it for now.

~LesC

[jmsplat]

You'll get raped by: BvC, WWsin, possibly smiter, possibly bowazon

[TheBassman]

If smiters use charge to kill bowzons effectively I'm sure I can do the same. the rest I;m not too overly concerned.

~LesC

[Von Lazuli]

OK. From your listed builds I can tell you this.

You will probably not be able to kill Smiters (although I have taken them down with a very very lucky charge once or twice) and the top BvC. Wind druids will also be a struggle. The rest are not so bad.

2-handed is simply not an option PvP, sure the damage looks awesome on the char screen, but you need a sheild to survive. Let us look at what an Upped Um HOZ gives us. Huge Block. Block is our friend against melee. Huge resists. You need these for casters. Skills. Pretty much useless, but helpful for boosting your Holy Shield to give us the block and this, SMITE. Smite is invaluble against most melee, in fact, it is all that will give you a chance against WWsins and Barbs.

Trust me. You want a sheild. Plus, you don't lose THAT much damage. A charger with the gear I mentioned is capable of about 3.7k average PvP damage (with deadly strike). Do you really need the extra damage of a 2-hander?

Laz

[KaythonXE]

Two hand chargers destroy BvCs as long as they're dual wielding. Considering, all it takes is one hit from an ebotd archon staff and no more barb.

[Sechler]

I love when pallies try and charge my bvc. They get lucky now and then with consecutive charges but typically that's from a jump. But for the most part they get caught up in ww. Same with my ww/trapper hybrid. Without a shield, a bowzon will tear up chars that don't tele. Most bowzons are trigger happy to begin with and soon as you motion towards them, the spamming begins. Plus a smart zon will always use terrain which is one of a charger's biggest downfalls. Another weapon to consider is Death. It has a crazy ds and dmg. I'd also keep hsarus belt/boots or angelics or both handy for high def pallies and barbs.

[KaythonXE]

Barbs have got to be my easiest duel.

[disc]

Barbs have got to be my easiest duel.

yea there are some pretty bad bvcs out there, any sensible barb knows ww chews up chargers like a knife through butter. as said chargers best chance vs ww is to jump the baba or attack during bo.

[Thoridian]

Two hand chargers destroy BvCs as long as they're dual wielding. Considering, all it takes is one hit from an ebotd archon staff and no more barb.

Yea gogo 2 handed charges vs a Bvc ;) Bring me just ANY 2 handed charger and ill 10-0 him. No block = 1ww pk

[SicHalo]

yea there are some pretty bad bvcs out there, any sensible barb knows ww chews up chargers like a knife through butter. as said chargers best chance vs ww is to jump the baba or attack during bo.


the only real way a bvc can lose to a charger using 2hand is;

1. Barb was boing.
2. NK.
3. Some desync charge or suprise attack taking the barb and keeping him locked in a knock back/ fhr motion.
4. Extention to above but could be lag


but in reality once the barb starts WW its should be game over.

@ Thoridian i was gonna say Karol but even Karol switches to grief + shield vs barbs and use just a1 point smite.

2 hand vs barb just does not stand a great chance unless u get lucky hits etc.

[Thoridian]

Well yea Karol uses a shield + wpn and still his charge hurts YET he cant kill me with pure charging. He always gotta smite and then bam lol. I remember we once dueled with him dualwielding, 1 word: rape. He just couldnt get a kill, once he came close ww and it was over

[TheBassman]

I don't want this to turn into BvC>All thread so let's keep it on subject, I still need a guide if anyone has one.

~LesC

[jmsplat]

I believe chargers are made for killing casters and don't do well vs. melee

[Von Lazuli]

I believe chargers are made for killing casters and don't do well vs. melee

Which is exactly why you need smite, which excels against melee.....


Laz

[dmngd]

WW > Smite any day.