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my friend has a energy shield sorc and i'm making a BvC for team duels.
heres my thouht on a couple items.. correct me if i'm way off please.
Mage enigma
Eth Areats/CoA switch
GriefZerk/BeastZerk
Verdungoes/T-Gods switch
Gores/Waterwalks?
FCR+Str Ring/Raven Frost
Mara's/Saracens Chance (for resists and stats if i cant get Mara's) or a +2 prismatic
Dracs/Steelrends?
how high on Leap for stun?
max WW?
Max BO, Shout? (is def critical in BvC?)
Thanks in advance
Donzi
Eth Areats/CoA switch
Arreat's 40/15 (ed/ias) and CoA 'BerBer'.
Verdungoes/T-Gods switch
Arachnid's Mesh.
Gores/Waterwalks?
Triple resistance boots.
FCR+Str Ring/Raven Frost
2* Rfrosts vs. teams with smiters, cold sorcs, windies. Vs others 2* fcr rings.
Mara's/Saracens Chance (for resists and stats if i cant get Mara's) or a +2 prismatic
Highlord's Wrath for DS.
Dracs/Steelrends?
Trang-Oul's Claws. Assures you will always have 40% FCR-
how high on Leap for stun?
20 base points.
max WW?
Yes.
Max BO
Yes.
[quote], Shout? (is def critical in BvC?)
No. Put only 1 pt in Shout and put rest points to Shout after you're done with other skills. Do this:
20 ww
20 bo
20 leap
20 axe mastery
5-6 nat res
6 inc speed
1 zerk
rest shout
conor rocks
11-09-2006, 23:49
Arreat's 40/15 (ed/ias) and CoA 'BerBer'.
Arachnid's Mesh.
Triple resistance boots.
2* Rfrosts vs. teams with smiters, cold sorcs, windies. Vs others 2* fcr rings.
Highlord's Wrath for DS.
Trang-Oul's Claws. Assures you will always have 40% FCR-
20 base points.
Yes.
Yes.
[quote], Shout? (is def critical in BvC?)
No. Put only 1 pt in Shout and put rest points to Shout after you're done with other skills. Do this:
20 ww
20 bo
20 leap
20 axe mastery
5-6 nat res
6 inc speed
1 zerk
rest shout
Why 20 points in leap and not 14, and why not use a barb ammy with +skills 20 fcr, res, and life. If you use that ammy you can use steelrends for gloves then.
Why 20 points in leap and not 14, and why not use a barb ammy with +skills 20 fcr, res, and life. If you use that ammy you can use steelrends for gloves then.
Why 14 and not 13 as with the new Hsarus setup your lowest skill setup will allow it to be lvl 19 with 13 points?
Because in team duels you WANT to keep your opponents OUT OF YOUR SCREEN via LEAP. Does that say something to you? Higher Leap -> Your opponents will stay farther away -> your team's ranged attacker can kill them easy.
That's why. Also, it's good in 1v1s vs. a Bonewall abusing bonemancer (I dueled one constantly before and after my remake (from 17 pts to 20) and I realized a great difference, just as I noticed a difference between no FHR and 48%.
You can use 13 points if you think that an added few thousands of defense matter, but if you think do, why not prebuff with a mule that's full of wc sks? Also, if you're a BvA, you're forced to put as low amount as possible.
conor rocks
12-09-2006, 06:17
Oh it is probally gear because I had high with 14 and did full screen.
Oh it is probally gear because I had high with 14 and did full screen.
14 + 5 = 19. 19 is the point where your KB radius is YOUR screen, but not the corners (which btw are very crucial for unsummon locking and surprising your opponent).
13 + 1 + 5 (torch + anni + hl) = 19.
And yes, these are the lowest skill setups you will ever use.
Uchiha Sasuke
12-09-2006, 06:41
14 + 5 = 19. 19 is the point where your KB radius is YOUR screen, but not the corners (which btw are very crucial for unsummon locking and surprising your opponent).
13 + 1 + 5 (torch + anni + hl) = 19.
And yes, these are the lowest skill setups you will ever use.
Listen to Ce Olba, he is a BvC Demigod...
Anyways... I don't see where alot of the res is coming from, for my own bvc. Is it all from nat res? Or nat res and charms? Anyways, I think it would be important for him to know in his team duels too...
conor rocks
12-09-2006, 06:46
Well you could get around 70-100 from charms natural resit and torch+arreats+triple resist boots+,etalgrid if you got gg charms+life/res charms=good number
Well you could get around 70-100 from charms natural resit and torch+arreats+triple resist boots+,etalgrid if you got gg charms+life/res charms=good number
20-40 annihilus and torch
12-20 fhr scs
30-49 triple boots
20-30 CoA
54-64 Nat Res
Total: 136-203
So, with perfect items, you will have 75 fire, cold and lightning resistances, all stacked 49 deep, whereas your poison is at 54% unless you got small charms. My BvCs got 75/75/75/60 resistances in Hell after Anyas.
However, do not worry, you can always get some 18-20/10-11 resistance scs to compensate for lost resistances (when you do not have max resistances most likely you cannot afford massive max/ar/life scs either).
Even in the worst case, you can always use Fade and end up with 75% fire/cold/light (21% deep stacked) and 66% poison.
By the way, today is my 16th birthday.
Listen to Ce Olba, he is a BvC Demigod...
According to Wikipedia the prefix "demi" means "half". So I'm a halfgod of BvC? Does that give me immortality? Or maybe some cool powers (such as controlling the nature or elements (fire, earth, water, wind)) or something?
By the way, today is my 16th birthday.
Grats!
And the demi only provides a cool title. No powas. :thumbsup:
so Mage Nigma is good for BvC? and the weps are a good choice as well?
i'm assuming Doom is not soo much of a factor being most casters i'll be facing will have tele and wont be doing much running around?
so Mage Nigma is good for BvC? and the weps are a good choice as well?
i'm assuming Doom is not soo much of a factor being most casters i'll be facing will have tele and wont be doing much running around?
Mage Nigma is good for a BvC. However, it's a personal preference in the end. My BvC uses Scarab Husk because I like the way it looks. I used to AP, but too many BvCs IMO use AP so I decided to go with Scarab (and yes, I traded my 1260 def Eni AP for a Scarab Husk).
GriefZ and BeastZ are the best possible weapons you can have.
Dooms are actually very nice in Team duels, specially vs. teams with bowazons and/or smiters (believe me, there are lots of those). I beat a team of a Smiter, Windy, Fohadin and a Sorc 2v4 along with my friend who was using a Bonemancer. Some of that is due to Leap + Dooms making the smiter totally useless. The Bonewalls made the Fohadin useless, the Leaps made the sorc a cake (it was a lightning sorc IIRC, and she couldn't aim due to Leap).
hey thanks for all the great input Ce Olba
next is finalizing my charms and getting a better anni lol
my tortch is a 19/15
my anni is a 10/17
i have a small handfull of small FHR with 8-11% resists and a fiew 5% all res smalls 1 mastery with life, and a couple grand ar/lifers and my crem dela crem is a 10 max 77 ar 37 lifer with a buncha 20 lifer smalls
oh and is pre-buffing concidered BM?
i heard it is as well as dracs are BM in duels.. just curious
hey thanks for all the great input Ce Olba
next is finalizing my charms and getting a better anni lol
my tortch is a 19/15
my anni is a 10/17
i have a small handfull of small FHR with 8-11% resists and a fiew 5% all res smalls 1 mastery with life, and a couple grand ar/lifers and my crem dela crem is a 10 max 77 ar 37 lifer with a buncha 20 lifer smalls
oh and is pre-buffing concidered BM?
i heard it is as well as dracs are BM in duels.. just curious
BM is a myth. BM comes from words "bad manners", which an item cannot be (as logically, they do not live they cannot have manners).
As for pre-buffing, do whatever you want, if someone whines, squelch.
Draculs, well, some stupid people make up Draculs to be "BM" due to them losing to smiters who use Draculs for Life Tap, so they need an excuse why they always lose. Of course Draculs are not BM.
Something to point out:
max/ar/life GCs are overall very bad, specially compared to max/ar/life scs, if both are perfect. However, when comparing a perfect max/ar/life GC and a perfect ar/life GC, you see that you gain almost double the AR with 1 ar/life GC, thus you lose less life (with 45 lifers, you lose 15 life each GC). You should use 3 of ar/life GCs (so you lose at least 45 life. If you used max/ar/life GCs, you would lose 90 life due to needing double the amount of GCs to get to the level of AR).
i knew what BM stood for.. just gettin back into the PvP part of the game after some MF runs n crap.. so wasnt quite sure what is kosher perse in team duels and or tourneys.
I kinda figured the Max's arent hugely important in BvC as life is your key ingredient for success.
would it be best to go full Inv of ar/lifers and fill bottom row with small ifers or go half inv of ar/lifers and fill most with small life/fhr/resist small charm combos.
what would be min fhr you need if at all important for a barb in BvC
Thanks again this is all helping a ton...
would it be best to go full Inv of ar/lifers and fill bottom row with small ifers or go half inv of ar/lifers and fill most with small life/fhr/resist small charm combos.
Neither. Get 3-4 ar/life GCs (120-132 AR with 20-45 Life). 4* fhr scs, rest filled with 20 life scs with mods.
what would be min fhr you need if at all important for a barb in BvC
48%. 4* fhr scs gets you to this breakpoint in every setup except with Kiras (and that's only vs. fohadins and then you do not even need fhr).
Thanks again this is all helping a ton...
No problems.
However, to answers most of the questions, I will give you my mini-outline of BvCs (basically a guide with no strategies and no explanations).
Stats:
lvl >=90
63 str (if +40 from anni+torch)
47 dexterity (if +40 from anni+torch)
rest vitality
Skills:
20 Leap
20 WW
20 Axe Mastery
20 Bo
5 Nat Res
5-6 Inc Speed
Rest Shout
Pub Gear:
CoA 'BerBer'
Enigma
GriefZ 34/xxx
BeastZ xxx%/+>=36
Arachnid's Mesh
2x Ravenfrosts with 18-20 dex and 240-250 ar
Draculs with 15 str
Triple or double resistance boots with frw and str or dex. In case of double resistances, these resistances should be Fire and Lightning. With Triple Fire, Lightning and Cold.
Highlord's Wrath
2x Dooms
Stash gear:
Fortitude
Widowmaker 'Hel'
2x Angelic rings
1x Angelic amulet
2x fcr rings with >60 mana
Demonlimb
Kiras
Lightning Stack (4 ort armor, 19-20/1x's)
TGod's
Life Tap Wand
Treachery
Hotspurs
Trang Gloves
Arreat's 'ed/ias'
Charms:
Optimal: 33x max/ar/life scs (only if perfect), 4x fhr/allres scs, Annihilus with 20 stats, torch with 20 stats
Very Good: 33x ar/life scs, 4x fhr/resi scs, Annihilus with 19-20 stats, torch with 19-20 stats.
Good: >20x ar/life scs, 4x fhr scs, Annihilus with >15 stats, torch with >15 stats, the spare spots you have you should fill with plain 20 life scs or 20/17s or 20/11s.
Decent: 3x ar/life gcs (13x/3x), 4x fhr scs, rest 20 life scs, torch+anni total stats >30
Poor: None
Very Poor: None
Extreamly Poor: NONE!
Things you want to achieve:
10k ar with the Pub Setup mentioned
>6000 life
20 fcr with pubsetup, 40% fcr available when needed
all res 75
40% frw from Inc speed
Enough lightning resistances to negate a foher when needed
48% fhr breakpoint hit
There.
^^
Yur the bombdiggidy..
Thanks a heap
^^
Yur the bombdiggidy..
Thanks a heap
How do you think I got all the posts?
As for BvCs, been researching and using one for about a year now.
conor rocks
12-09-2006, 22:18
Ce obla when is the last time you dueled?
Ce obla when is the last time you dueled?
I had a little tryout today.
As for when I had my last series of dueling, I do not remember, somewhere around 3-4 months ago.
The last time I was playing actively (everyday) was before 9.5.2006 (which is the date my friend died).
And what's the point of the question? If you're troubled about the dueling advice I give, you shouldn't be, as I will of course be dueling a LOT versus the competent people (most likely the best V/T, the best smiter, my friend's boner, my friend's windy before I make the strategies).
conor rocks
12-09-2006, 22:44
I'm just saying pretty much everyone has ok gear now compared to even like a month ago.
I'm just saying pretty much everyone has ok gear now compared to even like a month ago.
Basing your advices on such assumptions is foolish. You never know, unless it's stated somewhere.
And yes, I know that people on Ladder might be way richer than they were back in May, but I've not gotten any richer (except that I got a free Hsarus boots + belt from zeskelnec), so I'm not gonna change it. The point of the way I take the BvCs is an universal one. Blobs assumed that everyone had all the gear and skill needed. I assume that people do not necessarily have all the skill nor all the godliest gear (which is my case too, I still lack a LOT of gear and some of my tricks are still in a need of training (such as howl-teleporting vs. Windies or unsummoning vs. boners)
conor rocks
12-09-2006, 22:56
No i'm not talking about guide, the guide was a really good one. I'm talking about you there is so many fc'ers and hammerdins. and iv'e also been seeing better clans.
No i'm not talking about guide, the guide was a really good one. I'm talking about you there is so many fc'ers and hammerdins. and iv'e also been seeing better clans.
It might be so.
However, I've dueled 1v1 with the best possible Hammerdin on my realm, and yes, I did lose. That's why I want to get back so badly, that I can try and see if I can figure a way to beat him.
As for FCers, I've never had trouble with them. I beat a damn good legitimate teleport FCer (Luder on these forums) with only a few gear changes (ravens -> fcr rings, coa -> arreats). And I've so far beaten just about every zon I've met. Heck, I beat a zon that was played by (lol) the best SvA (smite v all) player on Europe.
So, how did you come to talk about FCers and Hammerdins? Thinking that my outline lacks gear for those? Seen TGod's? Seen Fortitude? Seen Widowmaker?
conor if you have contredicting thoughts please share i'd like any thoughts.. though what Ce Olba says does may alot of sense I was thining the same yet i did not want to level a toon and be wrong.. lol
conor rocks
12-09-2006, 23:34
No i'm just saying what changed so he knows, and do you play non-ladder because most Barbs do for charms and better items.
conor rocks
13-09-2006, 00:05
Not you Ce Obla and whats your budjet donzi?
Uchiha Sasuke
13-09-2006, 04:19
20-40 annihilus and torch
12-20 fhr scs
30-49 triple boots
20-30 CoA
54-64 Nat Res
Total: 136-203
So, with perfect items, you will have 75 fire, cold and lightning resistances, all stacked 49 deep, whereas your poison is at 54% unless you got small charms. My BvCs got 75/75/75/60 resistances in Hell after Anyas.
However, do not worry, you can always get some 18-20/10-11 resistance scs to compensate for lost resistances (when you do not have max resistances most likely you cannot afford massive max/ar/life scs either).
Even in the worst case, you can always use Fade and end up with 75% fire/cold/light (21% deep stacked) and 66% poison.
By the way, today is my 16th birthday.
According to Wikipedia the prefix "demi" means "half". So I'm a halfgod of BvC? Does that give me immortality? Or maybe some cool powers (such as controlling the nature or elements (fire, earth, water, wind)) or something?
Yes, you are still only demi because one of your parents screwed a human... simple as that. No powers. =/
Yes, you are still only demi because one of your parents screwed a human... simple as that. No powers. =/
That's a pity. I would've wanted to cast those cool thunderballs.
Not you Ce Obla and whats your budjet donzi?
First off, it's Olba. And second off, yes, my BvC is on Europe Non-Ladder. However, I made my first BvC (which is still on the same account I use nowadays) was made on Ladder Season 2.
conor rocks
13-09-2006, 06:28
Wow whats wrong with site I can't see last person post on diff page unless I post.
Wow whats wrong with site I can't see last person post on diff page unless I post.
Cool. I use the maximum posts/page so No problems with me
conor rocks
13-09-2006, 06:36
Isn't it really hard to get good charms on ladder?
HappyAssassin
13-09-2006, 06:36
Donzi: Who are you? Also, are you in a clan or not?
On West Ladder, you're gonna see the same team in 4v4s just about everytime: Necro (Boner), BvC, Windy, Bower. The Necro will amp and spam prison, BvC is basically a Leaper and a BO mule unless he's real good, Windy jumps ranged opponents, Bower spams on amp'd enemies and they die. Most strategy revolves around protecting the Bower.
Keep in mind that this isn't necessarily the best team dueling, but it's the way West Ladder is at the moment. Honestly, I have a friend who plays BvC for a top clan on there, and according to him it's the worst (though indespensable) job in team dueling.
BTW, if this is for so called GM dueling (i.e. you're in a clan that conforms to the generally accepted rules on this particular realm for team dueling), if you cast your buffs from a set of gear, you must then duel in that set of gear. Dracs aren't BM, basically the only things that are banned are excessive Bone Wall (For the simple reason that it can cause massive lag), excessive absorb (1 piece is of course fine) and gear switching (so you can't fade unless you continue to wear treachery or Last Wish, you can't BO with a +5 helm unless you wear it).
Donzi: Who are you? Also, are you in a clan or not?
On West Ladder, you're gonna see the same team in 4v4s just about everytime: Necro (Boner), BvC, Windy, Bower. The Necro will amp and spam prison, BvC is basically a Leaper and a BO mule unless he's real good, Windy jumps ranged opponents, Bower spams on amp'd enemies and they die. Most strategy revolves around protecting the Bower.
A novamancer can easily kill the Windy, a Hammerdin can easily make a Bowazon a LOT more deadly (specially with amp + conc), a BvC will slow down the amazon with dual dooms and Leap the windys minions, and then there's an open spot. Such a team should beat that team.
BTW, if this is for so called GM dueling (i.e. you're in a clan that conforms to the generally accepted rules on this particular realm for team dueling), if you cast your buffs from a set of gear, you must then duel in that set of gear. Dracs aren't BM, basically the only things that are banned are excessive Bone Wall (For the simple reason that it can cause massive lag), excessive absorb (1 piece is of course fine) and gear switching (so you can't fade unless you continue to wear treachery or Last Wish, you can't BO with a +5 helm unless you wear it).
Define me an universal "GM" please. Oh wait, you cannot, as rules are formed by the individual.
In TvTs, the only rule I've heard sofar that's been different from pubs has been no excessive absorb (Someone whined about 2*ravens). Unless the rules are realistic, there's no reason why one should obide them.
Isn't it really hard to get good charms on ladder?
It might. However, getting some ar/life GCs (3-4* 120-132/20-40) shouldn't be too hard anyways.
Arbedark
13-09-2006, 15:40
Ce Olba lay off it...
Before you start making such usless posts first read the response you are yourself replying to.
Happy never said there was a universal GM. He merely stated the "GM" and "BM" set of rules for HIS REALM, the same one which donzi is on.
He also clearly stated "so called" GM. Which shows that there is no such thing as GM or BM, merely opinions.
So next time you feel the need to try and attack someone, please make sure you have some footing to stand on as well as making sure that you are attacking for the right reasons. :thumbsup:
not sure on how to quote heh, kinda noob to the forums here but in response to HappyAssasin:
I used to play wayy back in the day say 7 years ago when LoD was first released.. I got a friend of mine whom we used to team duel with in tourneys all the time.. We where in a clan Called Lords of Fate back in the day, and still by force of habbit sit in channel LOF on west ladder. It is just the 2 of us and a couple new friends made on the server but not necessarely an organized clan of any sort
To give you an idea of my old brbs wich i primarily used in PvP one was a Titan Barb 550+ str base Vit and 50% LL lol
My other barb was a speed BvC type barb, max increased speed heh
we are all GM, no dupes, anything we find we use, and try not to trade for even what we perceive as dupes, as in no "perfect GG uniques" 99% chance of dupe, Runes are unavoidable however.
And to the question of what is my budget.. I have some other toons and some RW i've made just sitting on mules i could trade for runes to get betetr gear and or charms.. but i abslutely appal trading.. i have horse crap luck with it lol.
And in my opinion good charms are hard to come by on Ladder.. it seems 120AR+/lifers of 20+ go for insane amounts of HR wich I wouldnt think about spending my entire net worth trading to get charms..
And in my opinion good charms are hard to come by on Ladder.. it seems 120AR+/lifers of 20+ go for insane amounts of HR wich I wouldnt think about spending my entire net worth trading to get charms..
They're nothing compared to 3/18-19/18-19s, those can cost several 32020s.
Also, ar/life GCs is a very cheap alternative.
For my BvC on Non-Ladder Europe, I spent 3 sojs to get myself 3 charms. To make it clear, 1 soj gets you an Enigma, which is only 1/3rd of what my Grief cost.
Before you start making such usless posts first read the response you are yourself replying to.
I think that we both agree about "useless" posts being such as "Yes. 10chars." or "No, 10chars". My post at least has some reasoning behind of it.
Happy never said there was a universal GM. He merely stated the "GM" and "BM" set of rules for HIS REALM, the same one which donzi is on.
Yet he started talking about "GM", which again is a HUGE thing, and you canno possibly determine it. That's why one shouldn't say that "X is GM".
So next time you feel the need to try and attack someone, please make sure you have some footing to stand on as well as making sure that you are attacking for the right reasons.
I do not "attack" anyone. I state things.
HappyAssassin
13-09-2006, 17:28
@ Ce Olba: Yes, I'm going to say "X is GM," and that's fine as long as I define the context within which I'm speaking, which I did. The poster asked about it, he's on my realm, I'm very experienced in the team dueling scene there, and people use the set of rules I gave. If you go into any of the dozens of Op channels on West Ladder and ask for a GM team duel, about 90% will assume the set of rules I listed above, because there is a loose community that defines them this way. The best 4v4 teams duel under this set (and some of them duel under a full BM, juvs and Gmod set also, dependign on if they agree).
As for your "team" Ce Olba, all I can say is try it. That's 100% theorycrafting, and it would never work in a real fight. The setup that we use to counter it is: Trapper, FoHer, Necro, BvC. The Necro uses Low Resists instead of Amp, the BvC leaps, the trapper and FoHer stay in Spirit clouds. The trick with this team is to get in close very fast and kill the Zon and Windy. About 90% of the time, the Necro is the last to die, which is why in my clan's case we use a Hybrid sin instead of a Trapper, because she (or should I say I) can hunt the necro a lot better, since our BvC is dead (he will die, he tanks for us).
@ Donzi: Good charms aren't so hard to come by on Ladder, my friend's hammerdin is packing 9 20/5s, my clan's BvC (AFAIK he's just about the only legit BvC left on Ladder) has an inventory full of 2-3/10+/19-20 Scs. My own WW/Trapper (before her death, but I'll be back soon!) had entirely 37+ Shadow Lifers and 3/10+/19-20 Scs. You just gotta be rich, which is sounds like donzi isn't. Even so, most of the clans on Ladder are very friendly and will treat you with courtesy even if they trouce you (expect a little trash talk from some, but if you get to know them, all of em are nice except LoH, who is only nice to their friends).
Feel free to drop by our channel, at Op Clan_eXe, if you want some fun dueling. We do 1v1-4v4. If they tell you to get lost, tell 'em Ollie sent you. :afro:
@ Ce Olba: Yes, I'm going to say "X is GM," and that's fine as long as I define the context within which I'm speaking, which I did. The poster asked about it, he's on my realm, I'm very experienced in the team dueling scene there, and people use the set of rules I gave. If you go into any of the dozens of Op channels on West Ladder and ask for a GM team duel, about 90% will assume the set of rules I listed above, because there is a loose community that defines them this way. The best 4v4 teams duel under this set (and some of them duel under a full BM, juvs and Gmod set also, dependign on if they agree).
I'm not talking about realm-specific duels. Heck, some people insist on dueling on NM due to their characters being too weak to duel on Hell.
As for your "team" Ce Olba, all I can say is try it. That's 100% theorycrafting, and it would never work in a real fight. The setup that we use to counter it is: Trapper, FoHer, Necro, BvC. The Necro uses Low Resists instead of Amp, the BvC leaps, the trapper and FoHer stay in Spirit clouds. The trick with this team is to get in close very fast and kill the Zon and Windy. About 90% of the time, the Necro is the last to die, which is why in my clan's case we use a Hybrid sin instead of a Trapper, because she (or should I say I) can hunt the necro a lot better, since our BvC is dead (he will die, he tanks for us).
I didn't say it's overall the best team, I said it WILL beat that SPECIFIC team. Read closer?
@ Donzi: Good charms aren't so hard to come by on Ladder, my friend's hammerdin is packing 9 20/5s, my clan's BvC (AFAIK he's just about the only legit BvC left on Ladder) has an inventory full of 2-3/10+/19-20 Scs. My own WW/Trapper (before her death, but I'll be back soon!) had entirely 37+ Shadow Lifers and 3/10+/19-20 Scs. You just gotta be rich, which is sounds like donzi isn't. Even so, most of the clans on Ladder are very friendly and will treat you with courtesy even if they trouce you (expect a little trash talk from some, but if you get to know them, all of em are nice except LoH, who is only nice to their friends).
Well, such charms are both extremely expensive and not too easy to come by. That's why I use ar/life GCs instead of anything else, as they're easy to come by (oh, and all three of them are from these forums)
HappyAssassin
13-09-2006, 17:47
Ahem. Perhaps I didn't write clearly enough. I AM talking about realm specific duels, and qutie frankly I don't care at all about what people call GM or BM on other realms.
When I stated "the setup we use to counter" I meant the setup we use to counter Necro, Zon, Windy, BvC, the common and effective setup. The team you listed is terrible for the kind of team dueling we do, and would lose to the one you claim it "WILL" beat. End of story.
Speaking of "read closer," there's no Windy in the "team" you made up, so how could I have been writing about it, eh?
hmm saying that some of those duel tactics i.e the duel team Happy stated is some of the common ones with the BvC, nec, Windy, bower is a tough team or switch in a hammer cuz hammer aura support bower makes a bowa deadly.
But to be honnest to the OP i don't much like a BvC for team duels as most of the time i found myself leaping maybe doing the odd tele Whirl and tank =/.
But that could be just me, my lack of team duel experience i like to get stuck in properly.
HappyAssassin
13-09-2006, 18:04
A well played BvC is a vital part of a team, the high BO, leap and tanking are all very useful. You just have to play very differently than in standard dueling, or you will get killed extremely quickly.
To wrap up, cause I can't post again for a bit, the best team is honestly a team that has practiced together a LOT. The real trick is being able to execute your part, and knowing that your teammates will do theirs. You can do all kinds of things in teams duels if you have confidence in your team that would never work if you didn't. A Necro has to know that the zon is going to be whirlwinded down by the BvC while he jumps the opposing BvC for example. If his Bvc doesn't make the right move, the necro dies in a blink to amp GA. These teams work because they support each other and cover for weaknesses. The best team duelers acknowlaged that some of them will get killed and know what to do even in this circumstance. Some dueling teams even use a suicide char (typically a smiter if there is no Necro) to eliminate a specific opponent and change the dynamic.
Team duelling is ok but again i never had much practice or experience with BvC in team duels however i can team duel pretty good with mage.
Cuz a few times i went solo trying to do a Rambo or something only to die fast, but when i stayed with the team it was ok cuz i just did the obvious leaping and tanking when needed and BO but, its not the most active part unless u got the skill and practice which i kinda lacked.
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