Furysin super deadly now?

[Yossarian]

Fort and Phoenix are a must as would be a might merc with pride.

For a weapon I'm thinking.
BOTD
Eth Famine in a Legendary Mallet
Eth ettin grief

to be ideal

Right now I'd use a eth death ettin as I have one laying around.

With max zenom that's a lot of damage on paper. Although I don't recall the last time I saw one.

That's about 1200 ed. I'm thinking around 4000 damage per star. Am I missing something?

[Sint Nikolaas]

You mean besides the fact that it's slow and you're a sitting duck? Hm.. dunno.

[Frankeinstein]

You mean besides the fact that it's slow and you're a sitting duck? Hm.. dunno.

what do you mean by slow?

zon's are sitting ducks when using a bow right? (have never played one or paid attention to one). I find the blade fury a formidable weapon on most monsters). I use a gimmershred & taramacs w/ lit facet. all that elemental combined w/ venom basicly gets most all of them including PI.

[Quietus]

what do you mean by slow?

zon's are sitting ducks when using a bow right? (have never played one or paid attention to one). I find the blade fury a formidable weapon on most monsters). I use a gimmershred & taramacs w/ lit facet. all that elemental combined w/ venom basicly gets most all of them including PI.


A 'death' ettin axe would probably be even better than the botd zerker - 465 max damage, so it's a bit lower than the botd, but it also packs 50% deadly strike. 3/4 of that is about 349, so you can expect ~ 350 damage per blade, with maybe 200% enhanced damage from your dex... I think dex affects it. That's about 1k damage. With deadly strike, 2k. And you fire like three blades a second, as opposed to an amazon who can fire ten arrows at 6k each, before deadly strike.

Sitting ducks work better when they kill things that come close to them, something that an amazon does much better than a bladesin.

[Frankeinstein]

A 'death' ettin axe would probably be even better than the botd zerker - 465 max damage, so it's a bit lower than the botd, but it also packs 50% deadly strike. 3/4 of that is about 349, so you can expect ~ 350 damage per blade, with maybe 200% enhanced damage from your dex... I think dex affects it. That's about 1k damage. With deadly strike, 2k. And you fire like three blades a second, as opposed to an amazon who can fire ten arrows at 6k each, before deadly strike.

Sitting ducks work better when they kill things that come close to them, something that an amazon does much better than a bladesin.

I thought it was 5 blades a sec... Been awhile for me.

I find using a HF merc w/ eth bonehew socketed w/ (2) Ahm's helps keep him alive longer. My merc wears shako & durials shell. seems to work most of the time. had him for quite awhile. Shad master I just keep recasting till I get one that does the job. They hold em back while I mop up. once I get a couple corpse down, then the death sentry.

My main trouble is i'm not rich & don't play everyday all the time. so trading does not always work out for me. my bladesin best attribute is being able to shop for claws from Anya. Got some killer trapper claws & some excellent lit dmg claws for my no skills (well near no skills) sin.

[Quietus]

I thought it was 5 blades a sec... Been awhile for me.

I find using a HF merc w/ eth bonehew socketed w/ (2) Ahm's helps keep him alive longer. My merc wears shako & durials shell. seems to work most of the time. had him for quite awhile. Shad master I just keep recasting till I get one that does the job. They hold em back while I mop up. once I get a couple corpse down, then the death sentry.

My main trouble is i'm not rich & don't play everyday all the time. so trading does not always work out for me. my bladesin best attribute is being able to shop for claws from Anya. Got some killer trapper claws & some excellent lit dmg claws for my no skills (well near no skills) sin.


In allhonesty, it might be 5/sec. I was going off the top of my head. That's still half the arrows a zon fires, though.

I'm not trying to turn you off of the bladesin, by the way, just giving a comparison. I actually really like the idea, I haven't seen all that many out there. Your trapsin will be much more effective, however, specially on a strict budget. Gimmershred (specially if it's eth) and tiamat's rebuke is a great combo idea for blades.

[ilkori]

Damage for what? PvM, the only changes to Ristev's spectacular guide are the Fort/Phoenix. Otherwise,

Eth Stormlash
Phoenix Shield
Guillaume's
Fortitude
Laying of Hands
etc.

AR will be your only holdback. I'd suggest a Blessed Aim merc or something similar. Jah would be the best for general hitting percentages, but wouldn't help you on the bosses so much.

edit - shoot, while I'm suggesting all these dupewords, just use a Might merc with Conviction. Huge defense lowering, and Conviction will help both your Static (crowd damage) and CE (crowd damage).

[Frankeinstein]

So your saying trade the merc in & get a might merc... or blessed aim... Where I find him? Guess I need to look up guides again... it's been years.

I kept the account alive so as not to lose my mules. Laying of hands gloves... using soul drainers now. think laying would be better?

BTW, can't turn me off bladesin... I enjoy playing her too much.

[ilkori]

oops... I actually meant Dracul's Grasp, but was thinking about LoH at the time and it kinda slipped. Soul Drainers are good also, and I'd only consider upgrading to get a source of Life Tap (which is only needed if you have trouble dying in Hell).

Might Act 2 Offensive in Nightmare
Blessed Aim Act 2 Offensive in Normal (also in Hell, but it will be weaker)

[Yossarian]

What I ended up doing.

Eth Famine in a Legendary Mallet (huge damage and elemental)
with my
Eth ettin Death on switch for 95 CB (bosses)

Both weapons are ITD

Fort and Pheonix with Orphan Helm and Gore Riders for CB, DS, OW and 685 ed.

Trangs Belt (may use nosferatu if I use a raven)

I'm still deciding on gloves ammy rings and switch shield.

But I'm leaning towards Cleglaws gloves and shield on the switch (with death). That'll give me a big AR boost on switch to take down bosses. ANd the slow monsters is nice. I could then use a raven along with a good rare and Seraph ammy for more ED and AR. Or I can go with angelic ammy nad 2 rings for the AR and go with just about anything for gloves. I don't know if I want to use Dracs or SOul drainers because the curses messup my COS to lower enemy DEF and raise my Def. Possible orphans gloves for the ED to demons.

Merc is a might merc with a pride. Thats another 600 ED.

Still LVing him now will update when he's higher up and using some elite gear. But I'm expecting him to be a load of fun.

Skill points.
20 SM
20 Venom
10 Fade
5 COS
8 others

63 total.

I'm thinking now how to use the other 35-40 skill points. Don't want to go DS route I think as it's too boring and the SM cast a lot fo them. Really can't decide yet.


BTW I've made every rune word I'm using. My LM Famine is totally useless outside of this build so it better be fun :grin:

[ilkori]

Two words:

Death Sentry. I guess if you *really* want to kill everything by shear might, then go for it... but skipping DS on a sin is like skipping Corpse Explosion on a Necromancer.

(I was going to say Amp, but that's more like MB or CoS... or something. I dunno.)

[Yossarian]

Ya I know but I'm remembering from the past that my SM cast them all the time. Has that changed? Casting them all the time just felt so much like trapping. I was tossing around the idea of bumping up TS to use with the death on bosses. Damage could get sick.

[Frankeinstein]

Think I should switch form Ormus robe to Duress armor? I was wearing rattlecage & crowcaw as my build grew up. Ormus is clean, So I could socket it.

Again, not being rich & having stuff noone seems to want to trade for really sucks... (enigma) seems thats all anyone wants these days.

[Yossarian]

BTW blades go at 6fps

Frank are you thinking for ED or the CB? If it's just for a little ED I'd go with Lionheart instead as it's way cheaper. If it's the CB then I'd say it depends on how much you already have. But I think both are better than Ormus robes. But honestly if you can afford Duress scrape up just a little more cash and get Fortitude.

Another cheap way to go would be Black Hades. It gives a bonus AR and ED to demons and has 3 sockets you can put ED jewels into. I mean 30-35 ed jewels go for a few perfect gems. 3 of those is still 100ED total. You could also do the same with a 3 socket Nats armor for some +Shadow skills and ED.

[Yossarian]

Well with my eth legendary mallet famine a lv 22 venom fort and phoenix I now do 3200-4100 damage per blade. So once I add my pride carrying might merc that'll be closer 5500-6000 max I figure. Pretty decent. There is also a hidden +100 ed to undead and 400 ed to demons on top of that. I also have 50 percent CB and some OW and DS too. Also have a 1000 life and max res at lv 65. So far pretty fun and in an 8 player nm baal run a very fast killer.

[sir goatscelot]

I honestly don't why so many people knock a build without even trying it..It's a great build that works.

6blades/sec at 6k dmg before other bonuses, is great on any build. Have fun with it!

[BildBenny]

More like 4 Blades per second. 6 frames per Blade.

[Yossarian]

Ya not sure why I added the 's'.

Anyway an update.

I swtiched out the might merc for a HF one. Much better for crowd control and the 500-700 damage is not the end of the world.

So I do 43**-52** damage per star. Even with all that damage you do not cut through things too quickly. In up to 3 player hell you kill pretty quick but in 5+ players you slow down quite noticablly. Even with the death weapon switch for 100 cb it's not blazing fast. But it is quick enough if you're not (like me) just coming off a mega godly zealot who does like 15000 a swing.

The one real issue I have is that the DS is greatly challenged buy my Phoenix which keeps eating up bodies. I try to cast the DS's far infront of me and stand back to limit the redemtion.

So far a lot of fun to play and lot's of "how much damage do your traps do?" and "dude how are you killing stuff?" Definately lots of people have never seen the build. I might try some duelling with her just for kicks. Nothing serious just some pubes. Showup kill a few people and leave just to freak them out.

[Frankeinstein]

HF is for holy freeze right? IThats what merc I have been using. Slows everything down whic helps a lot.Looks like I need to look for a new main weapon. I figured the ormus/gimmershred/tiramacs worked well w/ all that elemental dmg. & w/ Venon, ther was not much I do'nt cover.
Sometimes they are shredded, somethimes they just dont go down...

Maybe I need to strip her down & rebuild her. wish they would just give you a huge storage locker/warehouse so all your characters could just visit it at anytime to be reoutfitted. Now I have to do a mule sort to see what I have...

Make a list & see what you all think.

[Yossarian]

For an affordable yet awesome weapon look into eth death. It works almost as well as my eth famine Legendary Mallet (which is worthless outside of this build). Weapon speed does not matter at all so go for damage only. HR GUL only. Stick it in a cheap eth 5 socket ettin. With Orphans helm, Gores and a Highlord you'd have around 80% DS and 100 CB. Getting 8000 damage 80% of the time ain't bad.

[Bladewind]

Question, does Grief + damage work for blade fury ?

I have a few griefs sitting around collecting dust...

[Yossarian]

I havn't tried it out yet. i have one too. The problem is you cna't get an accurate damage listing iwth grief. But I think it would just do like 300 damage (if perfect) because BF lowers damage by 25%. So the damage as far as I can figure would be about the same as other godly weapons. But who knows.

[MysticDragon]

How about Eth Lastwish Berserker Axe? I don't think it wears the durability away.

[Bladewind]

That pretty much waste an Eth BA imo. Last wish does not make for good eth weapons. Stick to a regular BA.

[Yossarian]

Ya the eth LW would kick major but but at 6 hrs? Plus the fade is unneeded. All you'd do is free up a might merc and big CB if your weapon wouldn't have it anyway.

[Ritslev]

Eth Stormlash FTW...

Nuf said really

[Yossarian]

What's to be said is 70% more ED and 20% more CB as well as 40-50% DS and that's on a death. Oh and it'll be a lot cheaper than a perfect eth stormlash. Do I also need to mention the 8 more average damage on the death as well. Now if you go the eth famine route in LM you'll nearly double the stormlashes damage.

[Ritslev]

What's to be said is 70% more ED and 20% more CB as well as 40-50% DS and that's on a death. Oh and it'll be a lot cheaper than a perfect eth stormlash. Do I also need to mention the 8 more average damage on the death as well. Now if you go the eth famine route in LM you'll nearly double the stormlashes damage.
Static...

Pure and simple. The whole idea of the Furysin build is to make it viable in 8 player games, meaning AoE.

Area of Effect spells cast such as Static is what makes up for the -apparent- damage loss, now look at a group of 20 monster, where you take em one at a time. I take on perhaps .. 2-3 of them and then the rest go down with a single set of AoE Traps....

While the stats are nice, you're failing to understand and accept the importance of that single stat on cast : Static FTW...

You can either test it out or leave it, but the fact remains : Your damage in the window may seem larger, but your effectiveness isn't.

No this isn't to be arrogant, but back wen I created the build we had this debate over and over again, and it all came out to the same thing... the Lash is the best.

[Yossarian]

The fact is with double the damage and 100% CB you can take down monsters faster than you can with the 15% chance to cast static on the SL. I can take down 2 or 3 monsters much faster than let DS do the rest.

100% CB monsters life is cut in half after 3 stars (if you ignore damage). After 6 stars just about anything is dead. And as anyone who has ever played a smiter can tell you having big damage near the end of a monsters life speeds up thing a lot. Go take a LW up to baal and a grief with gores on. You'll take baal down as fast with the grief as the LW despite the CB effect. Add an orphans helm and you'll kill baal more than three as fast with the grief.

It's the same concept here. Plus static stops working at 50% of life (in hell). So you have to throw 20 stars to get the 3 statics that'll basically do that. So after 20 stars you've maybe got 1 monster down and nearby ones at half life. If you get a good roll maybe DS will take the rest down. Me after about 15-18 stars I got 3 monsters down and my DS will do the rest.

ALthough I've not used the SL I have given my merc a Cresent moon CA and found it insanely ineffective. I know the CTC is lower and he attacks slower but the fact is I'll take 100CB and huge damage over the static anyday.

Have you tried a furysin with a phoenix, death, fort and pride merc. U use death with that setup with gores, orphans and highlords and you have 100 CB and 80+ ds. You'll do 10000 damage per star (80% of the time). 1 or 8 players that takes monsters down fast. You'll hit 3000 or so with the SL. Taking an 8 player room monster down that last 50% of life is going to take you 3 times longer. Give it a try again you might be surprised.

The king is dead.

[HCKull]

Question, does Grief + damage work for blade fury ?

I have a few griefs sitting around collecting dust...


No, it does not.

[Frankeinstein]

Well I finally picked up a StormLash today (non-eth) & a Highlords amy. Was using Sacrens ammy... (the one w/ AR & amp damage) Really miss the AR...

Lash is interesting, I was using a Clean Gimmershred (non-eth). I like that. Not quite sure about this though. Haven't played enough. Still wearing Ormus robes, I think it helps w/ elemental dmg...
Found a 2 socket eth archon plate. though about using that on my merc.

Could switch to a 3os nats armor, but what would I socket it with?
I also have a 4os armor, 500+def. not sure what it was... Trying to beef up my furysin abit.

I should just rebuild another one so I can change some of the stats & skills.

Of yea, opinions on my HF merc... hes got gaze, duriels shell & a (2) AHM eth bonehew. What would you change on him or change him to... he's lvl 88 & had him for awhile.

Finding & trading for the uber gear is a bummer...:sad2:

[Yossarian]

Just for your merc. If you can't use pride use Reaper. You can maybe trade your eth bonehew for an eth reaper. That will slow things down even more and give you 50%ED.

What realm are you on?

[Frankeinstein]

USEast NL.

your saying switch mercs? what act? do I ned to retrain him? I just don't play enough to know all the details.

I think I should build up my blizz sorc for MF. But I just love playing a furysin. PPL always ask what I'm doing... It confused the hell out of them when they see monsters going down sooo fast with out me charging up on them & no traps.

well most of the time. I do use DS when it gets thick but afetr a 1/2 doz or so monsters are dead.

[Bladewind]

The king is dead.

No Stormlash isn't dead. Many people really underestimate the use of CtC static. And its not impossible to get 100% CB with Stormlash.

1. Non-eth ber Lash (53% CB)
2. Guil face (35%)
3. Duress (15%)
4. Gores (15%)

I deliberately overshoot the CB because duress has other goody mods on it too ! :jig:

[HappyAssassin]

Non-eth? Why, I was under the impression that Blade Fury doesn't take durability. Eth = more damage. Besides, a Jah is surely better, since in order to hurt the enemy you must hit the enemy.

[Frankeinstein]

Non-eth? Why, I was under the impression that Blade Fury doesn't take durability. Eth = more damage. Besides, a Jah is surely better, since in order to hurt the enemy you must hit the enemy.

Because after like two years I finally was able to trade for something close to what the guide listed... Would have loved to get an Eth-Lash, but beggars can't be chosey. Been using a gimmershred (non-eth) for over a year.

(account sat dormaint for quite awhile too) Started to play more regular after the patch. If someone has a eth-lash for trade, I'll gladly give my next born for it... But until that happens, at least i'm getting close to the ultimate furysin build.

I just am still on a fence about the merc. everone has great ideas, but follow through is hard. when you fianlly get someone to trade an idea you need, they want everything in your stash for it. Should I just trade for stones? or runes? or gems? Would that be easier? I'm not good at it, heck I'm not that good at collecting stuff. Sometimes I find things & sell them only to find out that they were worth more as a trade item (whites, blues & rares).

[Yossarian]

your saying switch mercs? what act? do I ned to retrain him? I just don't play enough to know all the details.


No just change his weapon. To a Reapers tool. Even noneth one will help you a lot.

I'm on west sorry can't help with items.


No Stormlash isn't dead. Many people really underestimate the use of CtC static. And its not impossible to get 100% CB with Stormlash.

1. Non-eth ber Lash (53% CB)
2. Guil face (35%)
3. Duress (15%)
4. Gores (15%)

I deliberately overshoot the CB because duress has other goody mods on it to

Wow than I'm really killing way faster than you. If you Ber the Lash and not Jah it you have no auto-hit. So I don't care what you're AR is I hit more than you. Plus your Duress instead of Fort lowers you damage by another 1000. How cna you ever finish monsters off? If you're on west lets test side by side I think your will be shocked.

[Frankeinstein]

what do you think of using Griffen eye w/ the stormlash? -17% enemy lit resist, +14 Lit dmg...
I already have a Tiamack w/ lit facet in it... Also the Ormus robes have lit on them too...

yea I know, I need more def...
but I hold up pretty good atm

the Gimmershred vs lash is about equal. depends on what the bosses spawns with. sometimes shred is better sometimes lash.

I'm stating to think Atma's ammy is better for this build than Highlords... +20% AR, I could also switch to Trangs gloves for the posisin bonus...

Evr see gloves w/ +2 shad skills on them? I have only seen martial arts.

[Yossarian]

If you can afford Griffon you can afford to mack your sin out however you like. I'm not sure on east but on west that helm is worth 10+ HR.

BTW don't worry about your def. Mine is fairly high but that's just a secondary feature to the +ED gear. Ranged attackers are you're only real threat.

For AR metalgrid would be best as an ammy. Or look into angelic ammy and rings.

[Frankeinstein]

I have one sitting on a mule. I found awhile ago. Just I followed the guide & used Guilliane's.

Sometimes I guess I do get lucky... :grin:

[Worx]

OK i messed around with PvM Bladesin and she was very very successful...

Eth Fleshripper (zod) .. or go norm
Orphan helm (with Cham - if u can afford)
Duress or Treachery... ultimate, Bramble
Gore riders - upped
Phoenix (Storm if u cant afford)
Angel ammy/ ring, raven (2 angels if u can afford Cham Orphan)
Verdungo, Skillbelt, Blood belt
Dracul

This utilises the blades, but also a skill that is overlooked - Bladeshield. Max your venom with MAX Bladeshield... with high dex (which u WILL have) you ALWAYS hit with an unbelieveable amount of damage with BS. Try it out on an editor you will be blown away!!

Fleshripper stats is simply godly, and teamed up with skillbelt and holy freeze merc... the monsters simply cant move fast enuf. You will easily get max CB, OW and excellent Deadly. Also put a few points into dragon talon and your a beast that welcomes monsters inclose, and at a distance. Also Sentinel is lots of fun, but my Bladesin chews up monsters at any distance, in any act, any difficulty. Shes definitely not a PvP, but wow is she fun to play.

Just remember a sin is not really designed for all encompassing huge one off damage like a Barb or the melee pals so I dont see the point of having these weapons that rely on huge damage when u forget the gems of CB, OW, Deadly, Slow, Venom etc.. THATS the sins forte :)

~Worx~

[Yossarian]

so I dont see the point of having these weapons that rely on huge damage when u forget the gems of CB, OW, Deadly, Slow, Venom etc..

I agree with unless you can get the huge damage as well. You're right that flesh ripper is a cheap alternative weapon. But look at the stats and compare.

Flesh ripper-base damage 15 to 57 (36 Avg)
+200-300% Enhanced Damage (varies)
-50% Target Defense
25% Chance of Crushing Blow
33% Deadly Strike
50% Chance of Open Wounds
Prevent Monster Heal
Slows Target By 20%

Death ettin base damage 33 to 66 (49.5 Avg)
100% Chance To Cast Level 44 Chain Lightning When You Die
25% Chance To Cast Level 18 Glacial Spike On Attack
Indestructible
+300-370% Enhanced Damage (varies)
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
50% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(0.5 per Character Level) 0.5-49.5% Deadly Strike (Based on Character Level)
+1 To Light Radius
Level 22 Blood Golem (15 Charges)
Requirements -20%

More CB and DS on death. But you're -50% def is sweet. But the damage difference is huge.

Now my favorite.

Famine Legendary Mallet base damage 50 to 61 (55.5 Avg)
+30% Increased Attack Speed
+320-370% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Ignore Target's Defense
Adds 180-200 Magic Damage
Adds 50-200 Fire Damage
Adds 51-250 Lightning Damage
Adds 50-200 Cold Damage
12% Life Stolen Per Hit
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Strength

Huge pure damage as well as ITD and huge elemental (notice it doesn't screw-up venom) too. With Orphans helm, gores and highlords you got 50CB, 10 OW, 15%+15%+1-30%DS. Not too bad. For PVM it's hard to beat. You never need to switch out ever. I switch to death for bosses to hit 100% CB (but I spent a ton on this guy to make him as perfect as possible). A nice switch trick is using Cleglaws gloves and it's shield on switch with the death for the big AR boost to speed up boss killing. I like those gloves better than Dracs for the slow and KB.

But the smart cheap(er) route. Death with angelic ammy and rings.

Duress or Treachery... ultimate, Bramble

Treachery is kinda useless I think. IAS doesn't affect this build and the venom is only lv 15 You should have a better fade as well. It's good for LL leveling but that's about it. Duress gives 15% CB and OW, otherwise fort is better in every single other way. 280 more ed and you can't over state how helpful chilling armors is for ranged attackers oh and an extra 100+ life. I tried my bramble (47%) on my sin and wasn't that impressed. It and trangs gloves really boosted my poison damage but were still 500+ points less than what the fort did.

Oh and you should likely change out the angelics if you use fleshripper you likely don't need them with that huge -50 to def.

Just some thoughts.

[Worx]

I agree with unless you can get the huge damage as well. You're right that flesh ripper is a cheap alternative weapon. But look at the stats and compare.

Flesh ripper-base damage 15 to 57 (36 Avg)
+200-300% Enhanced Damage (varies)
-50% Target Defense
25% Chance of Crushing Blow
33% Deadly Strike
50% Chance of Open Wounds
Prevent Monster Heal
Slows Target By 20%

Death ettin base damage 33 to 66 (49.5 Avg)
100% Chance To Cast Level 44 Chain Lightning When You Die
25% Chance To Cast Level 18 Glacial Spike On Attack
Indestructible
+300-370% Enhanced Damage (varies)
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
50% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(0.5 per Character Level) 0.5-49.5% Deadly Strike (Based on Character Level)
+1 To Light Radius
Level 22 Blood Golem (15 Charges)
Requirements -20%

More CB and DS on death. But you're -50% def is sweet. But the damage difference is huge.

Now my favorite.

Famine Legendary Mallet base damage 50 to 61 (55.5 Avg)
+30% Increased Attack Speed
+320-370% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Ignore Target's Defense
Adds 180-200 Magic Damage
Adds 50-200 Fire Damage
Adds 51-250 Lightning Damage
Adds 50-200 Cold Damage
12% Life Stolen Per Hit
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Strength

Huge pure damage as well as ITD and huge elemental (notice it doesn't screw-up venom) too. With Orphans helm, gores and highlords you got 50CB, 10 OW, 15%+15%+1-30%DS. Not too bad. For PVM it's hard to beat. You never need to switch out ever. I switch to death for bosses to hit 100% CB (but I spent a ton on this guy to make him as perfect as possible). A nice switch trick is using Cleglaws gloves and it's shield on switch with the death for the big AR boost to speed up boss killing. I like those gloves better than Dracs for the slow and KB.

But the smart cheap(er) route. Death with angelic ammy and rings.



Treachery is kinda useless I think. IAS doesn't affect this build and the venom is only lv 15 You should have a better fade as well. It's good for LL leveling but that's about it. Duress gives 15% CB and OW, otherwise fort is better in every single other way. 280 more ed and you can't over state how helpful chilling armors is for ranged attackers oh and an extra 100+ life. I tried my bramble (47%) on my sin and wasn't that impressed. It and trangs gloves really boosted my poison damage but were still 500+ points less than what the fort did.

Oh and you should likely change out the angelics if you use fleshripper you likely don't need them with that huge -50 to def.

Just some thoughts.

I tried to amend my post but i couldnt... ultimate i meant was fort or bramble

the eth flesh i have has base 23-85 (avg 54) and is 299%ed. Treachery is actually good if ur poorer, its not my armor (mine Fort or brambble depending on my mood) . IAS is for the kicks.

With so much weaponry on offer, its easy to survive...

This is my fun pvm char... I like the challenge.... you should see my PvP sins ;)

[Yossarian]

Ya I agree. The furysin is one of my favorite pvm char's to play. Oh and for the weapons I was using the noneth base. But all my weapons are eth too. Even the Famine :)

[Ritslev]

Give it a try again you might be surprised.

The king is dead.

Tried.. test..

I'm sure with all the impressive stats and all the caculations I'm sure you've done you're taking all into account, but fact is still : It doesn't measure up.

[Ritslev]

PvM, the only changes to Ristev's spectacular guide .
BTW.. Thanks Ilk...

[Ritslev]

PvM, the only changes to Ristev's spectacular guide .
BTW.. Thanks Ilk...

[mrbaseball]

this thread is full of nonsense

1 cold damage on a furysin is to much, you will shatter things. i am appauled that anyone would recommend famine (duress is 10x worse, actually hard not to flame that). death sentry is how you will do most of your killing anyway, so why are you going to waste bodies.

static works on a group of monsters, cb doesnt. thats the point.

you will still need high ar for specials, ITD doesnt work on them.

100% cb is also completely overkill. CB isnt overpowering on specials as well, it works but its like 1/32 or something pathetic. dont get me wrong, its good, but dont go out of your way to get 70+. i never liked ITD because im neurotic about consistency on specials, so im ber'ing that mace and using gores and calling that more than enough. eth would probly make more sense. anyway, 60-70 is where it breaks mathematically iirc. over that and you are wasting time.

ritslev will never die children, he's going to be spotted 130 years from now outside of vegas. maybe you found an interesting spin, but dont presume that you've debunked his work. unless they change the games formulae...

i never got a stormlash when i did it last time, i was using malice the entire game. that my friends, was a challenge :D

[ilkori]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with the cold damage call. Simply put, cold damage slows enemies. Even with a Holy Freeze merc, I had no trouble on my trapper (who was so weak I basically relied on DS to do most of my work for me). I think the shatter rate is about 1/4 of the time.


NP, Ristev. I call 'em like I see 'em.

[Yossarian]

static works on a group of monsters, cb doesnt. thats the point.

But CB works everytime and static doesn't


maybe you found an interesting spin, but dont presume that you've debunked his work. unless they change the games formulae...

I'm saying that I think fort, phoenix and a pride merc do just that. 1200ed is added to the damage since the original build.

Let me put it this way. What kind of pally would kill faster?

One using Cresent Moon, Hoz and GA with a merc using doom plus CE charges

or

One using Death, Fort, Phoenix and a pride merc plus CE charges

When BF lists damage (before CB/DS/OW mods) at over 5000 per blade you need to rethink the original idea that had a max damage of 1000-1500.

I played a furysin back when the build was first made. It was fun but very challenging. Now I coast through hell with little trouble and in a game with 5 or 6 people in it do enough damage to actually kill things to get corpses to blow-up. At 1500 damage it takes a long time to bring a 5 person game hell monster down from half life. At 5000+ it takes a lot less time.

[ihatefatkids]

I was thinking Last Wish would make a great weapon for Furysin >.>

[Yossarian]

Actually some of it's big perks don't help a furysin.

The fade is less powerful than the one you cast yourself and the lv 20 CB (which helps with P immunes) triggers on attack so does not work.

The other attributes are sweet but to really shine in the damage department it needs to be in an eth zerker and that is just too expensive to do.

I tested it and prefered the death (some similiar stats) and to an non-eth LW by a lot. But if you got a LW lying around it's not like you'll suck if you use it.

[Ritslev]

1) static works on a group of monsters, cb doesnt. thats the point.

2). At 1500 damage it takes a long time to bring a 5 person game hell monster down from half life. At 5000+ it takes a lot less time.
1) Point is the build employ both stats.. not just one or the others. The caculation of the gear proposed outmatch 1 stat, damage with about 1500 per hit.
Compared to the area damage of Static pushing down all mobs to around 50% health and the fact that both setups employ a near 100% chance of CB and you just have a faster setup... on grups of mobs.
In Hell 8 player games that is what u find, larger and harder groups ...

2) Also who ever talked about 1500 damage.. u might wanner look at my build.. follow the thread down to where there are pictures of Stormlash cause in those pictures you'll also find my damage listed...

http://www.diabloii.net/strategy/x-guides/images/stormlash.php

(Note this is unbuffed damage - meaning u can still buff it with the diff Barb skills from various runewords) and this is without the Might Mercs Aura..

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About the gear of the merc...and which merc to choose.. There are tons better choices than what I've choosen.. as well as better mercs than what I've choosen.

My choice is a preferance once, focused on my gamestyle and my likes and dislikes... Edit it as u will.

[Frankeinstein]

BTW blades go at 6fps

Frank are you thinking for ED or the CB? If it's just for a little ED I'd go with Lionheart instead as it's way cheaper. If it's the CB then I'd say it depends on how much you already have. But I think both are better than Ormus robes. But honestly if you can afford Duress scrape up just a little more cash and get Fortitude.

Another cheap way to go would be Black Hades. It gives a bonus AR and ED to demons and has 3 sockets you can put ED jewels into. I mean 30-35 ed jewels go for a few perfect gems. 3 of those is still 100ED total. You could also do the same with a 3 socket Nats armor for some +Shadow skills and ED.


I was going with elemental to help out w/ the dmg. Tmak's shield, Ormus, Gimmershred + Venom. All those combined served me well or well enough most of the game. But now I feel it's time to convert my "noskillasin" into something. She's at lvl 44 w/ all stats (except what was need to equip full Sigon's) & all skill pt's (except to get 1 BoS).

The debate is what do I do w/ her. I'm thinking of rebuilding a 2nd Furysin but more refined. I could still see if I can get her to lvl 50 without any additional pts or skills added. Just what is need to equip her w/ lit dmg claws & thats just lvling.

What else would you socket Nats armor with? besides ED jewels. Resist is always a issue. I'm also thinking freeing up the stash a bit would be nice. Everytime I find something I have to drop a couple GC to pick it up to look at... gets annoying put I need all the help I can get. Or maybe I just got used to it... :undecided:

[tsangd]

I agree with the post above. Death works very well. The only weapon that beats it IMO is an eth last wish zerker. Even with an Eth LW Zerk, id be reluctant to use over Death b/c from my own personal experience, the fade from LW triggers a lot.

[Yossarian]

Also who ever talked about 1500 damage.. u might wanner look at my build.. follow the thread down to where there are pictures of Stormlash cause in those pictures you'll also find my damage listed...

Sorry I don't live in the world of every hit being max damage. Your minimum damage is 15 on weapon! Mine is +300 (forget the exact number). Average your damage and mine and it's not close. My minimum BF damage is over 42XX. Buff or no buff your max is 800 lower.

[Yossarian]

What else would you socket Nats armor with? besides ED jewels. Resist is always a issue. I'm also thinking freeing up the stash a bit would be nice. Everytime I find something I have to drop a couple GC to pick it up to look at... gets annoying put I need all the help I can get. Or maybe I just got used to it... :undecided:

WIth FADE up res shouldn't be a major problem. I guess elemental damage jewels are a possible thing to socket. 3 100 light jewels maybe. But that just doesn't add much damage. Another idea would be 3 poison facets to boost the venom. +15% damage -15% res. In armor outside of ED or + damage jewels I can't think of what would be worthwhile.

[Ritslev]

Sorry I don't live in the world of every hit being max damage. Your minimum damage is 15 on weapon! Mine is +300 (forget the exact number). Average your damage and mine and it's not close. My minimum BF damage is over 42XX. Buff or no buff your max is 800 lower.
I don't know what world u live in .. *smirks* nor what reality or lack there of which exist in it (J/K)..

Minimum damage on the weapon, is correctly, but if u look at the stats and picture shwn you'd also see that minimum damage on BF is 644, without the elemental damage which isn't listed, and which is effected by all the stats incorporated in the build.. Physical damage is 100% listed... elemental isn't and that is damage you're not counting in your comparisen for example.

Lastly I don't use a max nor a minimum damage, but neither a random number such as 1500...

Post a screen shot like the one I did and we can better compare the numbers and do a damage crunch.

I'm sorry lad but your numbers and comparisen aren't relative to the build in terms of what the effects are which benefit each other and how they best work in a symbiosis to each other...

The build and weaps u propose WORK.. and they are a huge improvement in PvP .. but PvE they don't match up.. I'm sorry, but the comparisen you're doing just isn't working out right.

We can work back and forth on this thread
- Me saying : Mine is better .
- U saying : No it isn't!

I agree we disagree.. *shrug* and I'm gonna leave it at that..

[Ritslev]

Double Post FTW (bleah)

[Frankeinstein]

WIth FADE up res shouldn't be a major problem. I guess elemental damage jewels are a possible thing to socket. 3 100 light jewels maybe. But that just doesn't add much damage. Another idea would be 3 poison facets to boost the venom. +15% damage -15% res. In armor outside of ED or + damage jewels I can't think of what would be worthwhile.


Hmmm, maybe I need to back off on reists a bit to max out whats needed to reach max w/ fade on. Duh... wasn't thinking of that. I have many charms w/ dual stats on them. None of the body wear is specifc to resists. so reming charms form stash to add other charms may be the way to go.

Weapons are what they are. Gimmer & storm w/ deamon limb back up for the enchant. I could leave that in trunk "in town" cause enchant stays for almost 10 minutes. It's just nice to enchant a melee friendly when you meet them in a game.

I could go w/ dual +3 shad claws & nats armor. That would give me +8 skill lvl to cast SM & Venom. Then open stash, enchant & get back in to the game.

I was doing it awhile back but got tried of the manual switches.

In "D3" they should give you a comutal stash that all chars from an account can share. They then it would be easier to try different things out... just dreaming.

OK, back to orginal questions & thoughts. I figure the elemental dmg from gimmer/tmak w/ lit facet/ormus is a good idea. Sure its not dmg in the 1,000's but it still is additive across the board. With CoS on, it cuts them down pretty good.

I've played w/ lash for a couple weeks now. alittle better. niether is eth or socketed. question, does putting a jah or ber have any effect on elemental dmg or is it just PD? Also I thought I heard that off hand does not add much to stricking or in this case firing hand.

Shes gonna hit lvl 89 in about 1 week. I think for her 90th, I would strip down I maybe reoutfit her. I don't MF her, but I do use her for shopping for high level claws w/ Anya (got me a +3 lit, +1 trap, +1 df, +2 WoI claw) off the top of my head). Still trying for a (+3 trap, +3 lit claw) had one once, traded it... really dumb move now... wasn't playing trapper back then so didn't care...:cry:

[Yossarian]

does putting a jah or ber have any effect on elemental dmg

No. It'll just give you auto hit or 20% CB. But if you do Jah it you can likely leave the demon limb at home for good.

If you have space problems, carry your box in your inventory. It only takes 4 spaces but you can pick up 12 spaces worth of stuff and drop it in. I always use that and 8 spaces in my main inventory open too. I hate popping back and forward everytime I find something interesting.

[Frankeinstein]

No. It'll just give you auto hit or 20% CB. But if you do Jah it you can likely leave the demon limb at home for good. Really?!


If you have space problems, carry your box in your inventory. It only takes 4 spaces but you can pick up 12 spaces worth of stuff and drop it in. I always use that and 8 spaces in my main inventory open too. I hate popping back and forward everytime I find something interesting.

So what do you use for charms? I still need all the help I can. I just don't get to play as often as I would like. Got a job & wife. both take up much of my time...

OH, OH... a hint towards my true age... :rolleyes:

[Ritslev]

But if you do Jah it you can likely leave the demon limb at home for good.
Nearly.. I usually keep it for when facing a boss, but I agree on leaving it behind generally.

[Yossarian]

No. It'll just give you auto hit or 20% CB. But if you do Jah it you can likely leave the demon limb at home for good. Really?!



So what do you use for charms? I still need all the help I can. I just don't get to play as often as I would like. Got a job & wife. both take up much of my time...

OH, OH... a hint towards my true age... :rolleyes:

35 and married as well.

As for charms +damage +ar charms as well as + life charms and MF charms are what I carry. But high damage elementals work too.

As mentioned above you'll likely only use the demon limb for bosses. SO only if you're mfing or doing the quests I guess.

[Frankeinstein]

35 and married as well.

As for charms +damage +ar charms as well as + life charms and MF charms are what I carry. But high damage elementals work too.

As mentioned above you'll likely only use the demon limb for bosses. SO only if you're mfing or doing the quests I guess.

Lets just say I'm old enough to be a grandfather (not the sword)... & yes I play like an ole' guy even though I camped out for both D2 & LOD when they were released. :thumbsup:

[Frankeinstein]

Dumb question time... (I'm at work on lunch break so i don't have time to look this up...) Anyway, Can you "up" a Gimmershred or Stormlash? How about a Eth version? If so how do I do it?

I tried to buy/trade for a eth gimmer awhile back... guy wanted 1/2+ my stash for it. He thought it was THE GODDLY AXE... NOT!!! It's good but there is still better out there. I guess if you Zod it & WW w/ it it would be cool.

Anyway I wanted to get more elemental dmg across the board out of my furysin. Thats why i went w/ ormus/glimmer/tmak w/ lit facet. Anything better or I can add/change to do that? I know I asked before but I'm trying some new stuff & swapping gear around.

yes I know...CB,DS,OW, etc. how about adding magic dmg? what would be a good choice there?

You guyz & galz play alot more than I do. so Thats why I ask the questions here. Like last night i had 1hr to play & I ended up spending the entire hr swapping gera on mules & giving away the unwanteds... I did lvl my new paly to lvl 13. Need more str so i can full equip death set. Yea I know it's low grade but I like to try weird builds.

Opps breaks over... back on my head...:hang:

[ilkori]

Minimum damage on the weapon, is correctly, but if u look at the stats and picture shwn you'd also see that minimum damage on BF is 644, without the elemental damage which isn't listed, and which is effected by all the stats incorporated in the build..
Woah, buddy. Talon doesn't list Elemental damage, but Blade Fury does (including the 3/4 penalty, at that).

[Sgraffite]

I didn't think you could socket Gimmershred because it was a throwing weapon? I remember trying at Larzuk before and I couldn't put it in to socket it. Unless the scoket recipe works in the cube for it?

[ilkori]

Good catch.. I don't even remember reading that, heh.

[Yossarian]

You can't socket a glimmer. But don't need to zod eth's anyway if you fury. Fury uses no durability.

[Frankeinstein]

Just tanked gloams using Guardian Angel & T-gods. I just stood their w/ about a doz gloams & a boss shooting lightning at me. Found the GAngel & had Tgod belt in stash.

I swear it was amazing. I did not lose any life & killed them all NP. I also had fade on, but most of the time before I would have had to drink pots to stay alive.

Had a nice run tonight... GAngels, 210%ED Gimmershred (better than old one but still not eth), Eth Heart Carver, some low runes & lots of gems... not bad I thought for 0% MF. That was all found in the Icy Cellar & Big D.

would have done more but it was late & needed some sleep...:starry:

[Gabbana]

okay.. i have played a fury sin/dtaloner in softcore.. with phoenix etc..

now i am trying to convert this build to hc.. and as usual i use c/c in hc.. so.. does anyone have any ideas on how to do this? i am currently lvl 20

havent planned it that much yet.. but i found a eth war fist 279% ed with fools mod and some fire dmg etc.. which i thought would be pretty ****ing cool to use on this build.. i have a almost perf 49 res eth jade talon for off hand.. not that eth mathers.. anyways.. and i was thinking forti, guillaumes, t-god,gores, met grid, raven, got a 9ll, xml, 15str, 10 all res 100 ar(stats about that), and 20 ias 10cb 3 ll+stats gloves, as charms i was thinking going light dmg with life over teh board.. except for anni and torch..

now.. what to put in the dmg claw.. ber or jah, or 40/15 etc or something else enterialy.. maybe eth?

is life leech high enough? could ofc us ea nos belt.. but ten i would loose light absorb and max light res.. which is really important in my head.

if i put jah in it i guess i could loose the infinity on merc.. and go pride
instead. guess i need BA merc.. i am going to test it out abit..

also i am thinking putting a lawbringer on switch for putting the everusefull delirium on bosses etc..

now.. my main concern here is dmg.. on y sc furysin i was going dmg all teh way.. and she rocked. but this is hc.. and i am using claws.. so.. dmg will go down dramticly.. claw dmg is in the middle 200s- low to middle 300s at lvl 99

[Frankeinstein]

okay.. i have played a fury sin/dtaloner in softcore.. with phoenix etc..

now i am trying to convert this build to hc.. and as usual i use c/c in hc.. so.. does anyone have any ideas on how to do this? i am currently lvl 20

havent planned it that much yet.. but i found a eth war fist 279% ed with fools mod and some fire dmg etc.. which i thought would be pretty ****ing cool to use on this build.. i have a almost perf 49 res eth jade talon for off hand.. not that eth mathers.. anyways.. and i was thinking forti, guillaumes, t-god,gores, met grid, raven, got a 9ll, xml, 15str, 10 all res 100 ar(stats about that), and 20 ias 10cb 3 ll+stats gloves, as charms i was thinking going light dmg with life over teh board.. except for anni and torch..

now.. what to put in the dmg claw.. ber or jah, or 40/15 etc or something else enterialy.. maybe eth?

is life leech high enough? could ofc us ea nos belt.. but ten i would loose light absorb and max light res.. which is really important in my head.

if i put jah in it i guess i could loose the infinity on merc.. and go pride
instead. guess i need BA merc.. i am going to test it out abit..

also i am thinking putting a lawbringer on switch for putting the everusefull delirium on bosses etc..

now.. my main concern here is dmg.. on y sc furysin i was going dmg all teh way.. and she rocked. but this is hc.. and i am using claws.. so.. dmg will go down dramticly.. claw dmg is in the middle 200s- low to middle 300s at lvl 99


Seems like you have a nice build worked out. I'd be nervous palying a furysin in HC. I don'y think you can get enough dmg going no matter what claws you choose (IMO). I'd switch to a bow instead & use dual claws as backup. you still would get the range or better a furysin would have but be able to deal more dmg (again IMO).

[Frankeinstein]

BTW, I tried the ICY Cellar & WSK again. I just stood there while I was getting pounded by almost 1 doz gloams. I actually started to heal from the dmg i recieved from other monsters. It was amazing!!! Before I would have to run away after a short while to regroup & drink pots. Now I just wade into the pack of them & fire away till I can use DS.

I only lost 100dmg from the Ormus switch. They don't seem to take longer to take down either. Still trying to trade for a eth gimmershred. yea I know the eth stormlash is the way to go but i like all that elemental dmg i have.

Still playing around w/ it...

[jakotaco]

like elemental dmg? get a Tiamat's Rebuke Shield beside your gimmer, that shield has some nice elemental dmg if you're into it... My old bfsin (was made on a relatively limited budget <Ist total) used Stone Crusher + Tiamat's for her bf switch (the other switch was for kicking and thus had a faster fleshripper)

[Frankeinstein]

like elemental dmg? get a Tiamat's Rebuke Shield beside your gimmer, that shield has some nice elemental dmg if you're into it... My old bfsin (was made on a relatively limited budget <Ist total) used Stone Crusher + Tiamat's for her bf switch (the other switch was for kicking and thus had a faster fleshripper)

Yep I'm using a lit faceted Tiamat. Was using a Ormus robe too, helped w/ elemental dmg on the Gimmer, but I needed more def. Found a GAngel the other day that's why i put it on. Also was using String o ears, switched to TGods.

I'm thinking of redoing her gear setup a bit. Thinking about max Venom possible & seeing how that goes.

Suggestions to max out that skill & dmg?

Trangs gloves
Shadow dancers
Raven frost (CBF)
SOJ or BK (+1 skill)
Nats armor
Shad Gcharms (of course)
PSN facets where possible
Weapon? possible (+3 or more shadow claw or 2)(have those)
What else am I missing to add to venom's dmg?